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"well if thats the case his testimony was probably...

2006-09-29T14:26:00.000-07:00

"well if thats the case his testimony was probably dismissed as being inaccurate"

inaccurate on what basis? if it was why doesn't Cheney challenge it openly? Why testify in secret? and then remove the 'contradiction' from the archves? why not inverview someone else in the PEOC? If you have evidence of such an interview, let me know ....

btw Mineta quit his job one day after Fetzer brought the issue up on FOX. What does that tell you? If he had truly made a mistake there would be no 'hurt feeling'

The twoofers got the twoof you just wool over your eyes ...

Dang!There goes his PenSIoN!The question is:Why wo...

2006-09-28T22:25:00.000-07:00

Dang!

There goes his PenSIoN!

The question is:

Why would he lie?

To serve an even greater Lie?

Thought of as: "The Greatest Truth"?

As they used to say when I served in the Army (no kidding), a true SNAFU.

(In adapted civilian parlance: Sh*thead Nutjob Acts Fundamentally Unsound)

zippychippy, never mind the twoofers not paying fo...

2006-09-28T20:02:00.000-07:00

zippychippy,

never mind the twoofers not paying for a new investigation...they don't even know who the hell should DO the investigation.

I keep asking them for names of experts who should look into 9/11.

Still nothing....

In his testimony he explicitly mentions the Pentag...

2006-09-28T19:16:00.000-07:00

In his testimony he explicitly mentions the Pentagon being hit. So the timeline is contradiction enough.

well if thats the case his testimony was probably dismissed as being inaccurate

why isnt this in the comission report you ask? probably for the same reason all the otehr false leads the undoubtedly had were left out

same reason a detective doesnt mention dead-end leads when writing his case report

its not important!

Alex Jones also CLAIMS that this was edited out of the National Archives ... If that isn't a coverup, nothing is!

alex jones CLAIMS, eh? alex jones could claim the sky is blue and ims till not sure id believe him

Alex Jones also CLAIMS that this was edited out of...

2006-09-28T18:07:00.000-07:00

Alex Jones also CLAIMS that this was edited out of the National Archives ... If that isn't a coverup, nothing is!

This is Leon Mineta. Leon Mineta lives on Endor. T...

2006-09-28T17:51:00.000-07:00

This is Leon Mineta. Leon Mineta lives on Endor. That does not make sense. If Leon Mineta does not live on Endor, then 9-11 was an inside job. Look at the monkey. Look at the silly monkey.

"how so?ive already explaine dhow standing orders ...

2006-09-28T17:32:00.000-07:00

"how so?

ive already explaine dhow standing orders do not necessarily imply a military presence in the area"

In his testimony he explicitly mentions the Pentagon being hit. So the timeline is contradiction enough.

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video for you:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/270705testimonycensored.htm

In fact, the story as Mineta understood (he though...

2006-09-28T16:24:00.000-07:00

In fact, the story as Mineta understood (he thought it was a shoot down) DIRECTLY CONTRADICTED the entire findings of the 9/11 commission.

how so?

ive already explaine dhow standing orders do not necessarily imply a military presence in the area

In regard to Chavez, someone over at 911blogger po...

2006-09-28T16:08:00.000-07:00

In regard to Chavez, someone over at 911blogger posted that a background investigation should be conducted on former military "whistleblowers" to see if their stories holds up before everyone gets all excited about new "evidence".

Good idea, but who's going to pay for it? The CTs won't put their money where their mouths are. The "independent investigation" they demand is never going to happen, not because the Bush administration won't allow it, but rather because none of these anonymous Internet folks are going to put up all the money it would take to conduct an investigation they would consider fair.

Yes, but why would anyone think that? It takes a ...

2006-09-28T14:52:00.000-07:00

Yes, but why would anyone think that? It takes a certain kind of mindset to see the things you're seing. Like Silversteins "pull it" comment. Only someone who's already decided that 9/11 was organized by the government would even notice that phrase, let alone start thinking of it as something omnious. Ditto for the Mineta testimony.

In fact, the story as Mineta understood (he though...

2006-09-28T14:50:00.000-07:00

In fact, the story as Mineta understood (he thought it was a shoot down) DIRECTLY CONTRADICTED the entire findings of the 9/11 commission. Not following up on this is unbelieveable.

"Why would you interview somebody who is not reliv...

2006-09-28T14:48:00.000-07:00

"Why would you interview somebody who is not relivent"

Well if you think that inverview might lead to information that will directly contradict your current assesment, it would be wise to follow up on it ... that is if you truly are unbiased.

If it turns out to be irrelevant its just one more person ...

Just because they don't interview every whak with ...

2006-09-28T14:31:00.000-07:00

Just because they don't interview every whak with an opinion does not mean they are trying to hide something. Why would you interview somebody who is not relivent.

There is proof that someone altered his DD214. No...

2006-09-28T12:30:00.000-07:00

There is proof that someone altered his DD214. No, there is no proof he did it, but since he is claiming it is genuine, and we have evidence it is not, he is guilty of lying about the legitimacy of his form.

TAM

I glad, for your sake, that you were joking. Howev...

2006-09-28T12:28:00.000-07:00

I glad, for your sake, that you were joking.
However, this is not a joke. The fact that people in your movement are entertaining the notion that the evil gubmint doctored Chavez's DD214 as a psy-ops ploy, should tell you a thing or two about the level of paranoia and delusion of Truthers. They can't just admit they've been had by a lying sack of shit of a Truther, noooo! It must be the gumberment making them look like fools...

"Jesus tap-dancing Christ, you people are pathetic...

2006-09-28T11:09:00.000-07:00

"Jesus tap-dancing Christ, you people are pathetic! As James said earlier, its un-frickin-real that there are still people defending this guy"

I was being facetious ...

It's was retaliatory remark in response to constant demands of proof from the debunkers ....

I'm sure I could "debunk", your conspiracy theory ...

2006-09-28T10:57:00.000-07:00

I'm sure I could "debunk", your conspiracy theory re Chavez.

The simple fact is you have no proof that Chavez altered the document. I mean you were not there when he altered it. ANYONE could have altered and claiming he did it is pure speculation.

Jesus tap-dancing Christ, you people are pathetic! As James said earlier, its un-frickin-real that there are still people defending this guy. Even 911Blogger made a post about the obvious forgery. Its not a matter of opinion here - the document is photoshopped(and poorly photoshopped, at that) and his timeline for action in the Desert is off by weeks. There is only one possible outcome for the evidence - he is a fraud. Just accept it.

That fact that you're still clinging to this faker is telling of the level of self-delusion youre in. This type of thing should serve as a wake-up call as to the type of people that make up your movement. Instead, unbelievably, it reinforces your beliefs.

there is always the possibility that something is ...

2006-09-28T10:48:00.000-07:00

there is always the possibility that something is being covered up but it's not what the truthers think. this is the most likely. they could be covering up incompetance. they could be covering up embarresments.

this is likely re prior knowledge of the hijackers.

I agree, it's entirely possible. As long as we're clear that we're talking about incompetance, not collaboration.

That's my biggest problem with the "truth" movement; they're distracting attention from real, constructive inquiry with their conspiracy fantasies.

We should all be debating how best to face the terrorist threat, what we could have done differently, what we couldn't have done differently, etc... Instead we're debating minutiae like whether the secretary of transportation got to the Pentagon at 9:20 or 10:00.

If you've got questions about the administrations competence in protecting us pre-9/11, 9M, let's hear 'em. I have the distinct impression you're out to prove the administrations comlicity in the attacks, though, and there simply isn't any evidence of that.

911M - Chavez helped Tommy Franks set up and e-bay...

2006-09-28T10:24:00.000-07:00

911M - Chavez helped Tommy Franks set up and e-bay account to seel pottery.

Dude - wake up! The guy's fuckin with your head.

Short of a taped confession from Mr. Chavez I am n...

2006-09-28T10:07:00.000-07:00

Short of a taped confession from Mr. Chavez I am not sure what more proof from us you could want. There isn't a single claim made by the whole 9/11 "truth" movement that has half as much proof.

there is always the possibility that something is ...

2006-09-28T09:36:00.000-07:00

I was actually driving home a point, that in most ...

2006-09-28T09:22:00.000-07:00

I was actually driving home a point, that in most investigations, some assumptions are made.

This fits very well with Mineta's testimony. If we make one assumption, and that is the "order" referred to was as a shoot or stand down, the whole 9/11 commission report falls to pieces.

The disturbing thing is that something of this magnitude was not followed up. If there was truly nothing to hide, why wouldn't that "young man" have been interviewed, and why didn't dick Cheney agree to testify openly?

All, I'm saying is, don't accuse people unless you...

2006-09-28T09:18:00.000-07:00

All, I'm saying is, don't accuse people unless you have proof.

"The simple fact is you have no proof that Chavez ...

2006-09-28T09:06:00.000-07:00

"The simple fact is you have no proof that Chavez altered the document. I mean you were not there when he altered it. ANYONE could have altered and claiming he did it is pure speculation."

Well, Infowars claimed that it was Chavez who provided the 214. And Chavez has posted twice on 911blogger and not once did he say it wasn't his 214, or that someone else had altered his DD214. But maybe it's possible he hasn't looked at the analysis of his own submitted document and doesn't realize the document he submited has been altered by a third party.

Assuming that's true, then who else could have altered it? It's hosted by Infowars so maybe they did? And the alterations to his 214 were done to make his documents match with the claims he made on Alex Jones' show. So, maybe Alex Jones had the DD214 altered to make for a better story. And since Jones claims to have verified Chavez's service record then that would mean he vouched for an altered document.

So, if Chavez didn't do the alterations 911mysteries, wouldn't that mean the alterations were made by either someone @ Infowars or working on behalf of Alex Jones? Whichever the case may be his DD214 has been altered, and the people who'd done the alterations are affiliated with the "truth" movement.

Well lets get his computer system's stats includin...

2006-09-28T08:43:00.001-07:00

Well lets get his computer system's stats including graphic's card, version number of the scanning software, the scanner program and the scanner that he used to scan the document including any bios updates, paper grade, time and date, get a real discharge document from the same model of typewriter or printer, and then perform a scientific analysis of the document reproduction and post your results. If you don't take such measures, then screwloosers are promoting a 'conspiracy theory'. Because everything else is speculation until the scientific process takes place.