Monday, July 31, 2006

Another New Blogger

Somewhat less sympathetic to our aims here. Looks like the product a few too many Budweisers.

While we're on the subject of our non-fans, here's noted liar Jason Bermas (MP3 file) on Screw Loose Change:

(9:00) Bermas: Why don't we talk about the fact there's now a Loose Change 'f*ck you' website basically, that gets updated daily. I mean we're having such an impact that some... I dunno... I would assume it's a government agent because nobody can be this ignorant on all these supposed coincidences and ridiculous statements. They have a permanent top posting, now what's the latest? Scroll down for that latest post. "9/11 Witness Review Part One".
Other Speaker: They're reviewing 9/11 Eyewitness.
Bermas: Yeah I know, they're ridiculous. These guys, you know these are going to be the same people who say they're part of the 9/11 truth movement and...
Other Speaker: "Dylan and company suck up to holocaust denier"!
Jason: What? Oh here we go, the wicked headlines on Screw Loose Change! "Zionist deniers"?!... this is such garbage.

First, let me point out here that the claim that the Louder Than Words crew are "Zionist Deniers" is from Eric Hufschmid, not SLC. And to the extent that they're on the opposite side of the Zionist issue from Eric Hufschmid (linked above), I give them credit. If you read my original post on the phone call, you'll find that I actually am quite sympathetic to the way they handled themselves on that call, even though I think it's indicative of the 9-11 Denial Movement that they felt compelled to talk things over with that disgusting little man.

Hilariously, this comes after Bermas has just made a big joke of the (indeed absurd) notion that the Louder Than Words crew work for the Mossad:

Dylan: Aren't we about due for a paycheck right now?
Jason: Yeah, where's our paycheck? From the Mossad?
Other Speaker: It's in the mail.
Jason: They keep talking all this, we keep getting this press, and where's our Mossad paycheck? Typical, typical.
Other Speaker: It's in the mail, I swear. (Laughter)
Dylan(Imitates Eric Hufschmid): Your video gets much more promotion than my video. Your video is promoted all over the nation by people who will not even acknowledge the existence of my video, Painful Deceptions. Am I jealous? Discuss.

From the context, it's obvious that this conversation took place in May. Maybe Jason has revised his opinion of SLC in the meantime. For the record, I don't work for the government. James is still in the Guard, so he's suspect. I know Mark Roberts, who's studied these guys as much as anybody out there, believes that Bermas and Avery legitimately believe what they profess. I'm still a little suspicious on that score myself, mainly because the Wally Miller quote mining was transparently dishonest. But at worst, I'd say they're snake-oil salesmen; at best they're buffoons.

Hat Tip: On the Bermas clip: Rob Hinkley.


At 31 July, 2006 11:08, Blogger Pepik said...

I think its an interesting questions really, which CTers are crazy, which ones are fools, and which ones are in it for the money.

As for the makers of loose change, it is hard to believe they haven't watched the dubunking/annotated versions of their films. Even if they didn't knowingly lie in making LC (suppose they were just repeating what they heard elsewhere) surely by now they must realise that it was garbage? Are they just riding the C-list celebrity wave and looking to make bucks before their 15 minutes of fame is up?

At 31 July, 2006 11:59, Blogger MarkyX said...

Their 15 minutes are up. The only reason why they continue doing this is because they just want money. With their media manipulation tactics, they should be working for the president of Iran or the Saudi Arabia royal family.

They have the money to contact airline pilots, structual engineers, and so forth. Yet they don't.

At 31 July, 2006 12:16, Blogger CHF said...

Hell you don't even need money to contact the experts.

The Deniers know what the experts think and for them that's a major problem.

Instead they have to wait for a trickle of loonies posing as "experts" like Fetzer, Stephen Jones and Judy Wood to come to them.

At 31 July, 2006 12:22, Blogger Pat said...

I wonder how much money they've really got, Markyx. They claimed awhile ago to have sold 50,000 DVDs and it's easy to assume that translates into 50,000 times $17.95. But what if a lot of those were sold at the spindle price of $3 apiece? In the interview that James posted yesterday, they're discussing "depending on our financial situation". (Yeah, that's also the interview where they talk about the 90-inch TV, so it doesn't sound like they're pinched too badly).

At 31 July, 2006 12:24, Blogger Avery Dylan said...

Like hey man snake oil, why didn't I think of that, a mean if your snake squeeks or something. . .

Like I mean, hey, if Loose Change and Dylan Avery are on the same comment, like Google will find it.

Now Snake Oil and Loose Change, now there's a thought.

At 31 July, 2006 12:50, Blogger Pepik said...

OK but who do you think actually beleives it? Don't you think any of them actually believe it?

At 31 July, 2006 13:16, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

It is purely for the money. You ever hear them talk about "getting theatres to show it", and getting a distributer.

I guarantee you it is about the money. As it is for Alex Jones, otherwise, let them donate all their profit to the victims of 911, the people their videos are supposedly dedicated to.

At 31 July, 2006 18:56, Blogger James B. said...

is still in the Guard, so he's suspect

I'll let you in on a secret. The New World Order is actually run out of the National Guard Armory in Yakima.

(insert evil genius laugh here)


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