Sunday, July 30, 2006

Still Confusing Fantasy With Reality

I had just finished talking about conspiracy theorist Richard Grove and his movie fantasies, when I noticed on the Loose Change forum that he had just done an interview of Avery and Bermas for his new podcast, titled "9/11 Synchronicity". Well it appears, that the Patriot was just the start. Now apparently James Bond is involved:

Grove: They want to start these wars they want to secure the oil, they want all this stuff. I mean that is why they punch themselves in the face. Isn't that what they did in Fight Club? Ed Norton punches himself in the face, and then he gets what he wants.

That's the Hegelian dialectic. That is exactly the control structure that they use and like I said dude, it's all in Hollywood films. All these little things that they do, they put out right in front of us, but we don't think they're real, because that's part of the film.

Look at Goldeneye, look at all those James Bond films. I mean. There is a lot of conditioning that comes from the Hollywood front end of the Pentagon agenda. I mean, you could agree that there are movies before 9/11 that seeded in our minds... look at the Siege. The Siege came out before 9/11. Immediately after 9/11 people stereotypically knew who to blame right after they said, it's Osama, because you know, they have seen it in the movie. They're New Yorkers, they have been affected. They are preconditioned with this traumatic sequence, then it kind of happened to them. Just like in the movie, right? Even with the potential of martical law. You know, Bruce Willis coming in. Just before I went to sleep last night, I was watching Die Hard With a Vengeance, on your 90 inch television.
Hmm, that is 3 Bruce Willis movies. And they haven't even mentioned Hudson Hawk yet...

Bermas: It's not a real TV, it's a projector, but yeah.

Grove: But I was thinking, how ironic that they make this movie in New York. And the original one, well the second one, happened at Dulles Airport. Right? So out of a couple of Die Hard movies you basically have part of the scenario that happened on 9/11. And with some sort of truck left behind with gold, then you think Die Hard With A Vengeance that they took it up to the tunnel, the dumptrucks right?

Bermas? : Yeah

Grove: Personally I think they took it out on the Path train, because the Path train went right under World Trade Center 6.

Bermas: Yeah, you mentioned this.

Grove: Where there is a big hole.

Bermas: So why do you think the truck is there? Out of curiousity.

Grove: A distraction. The reason this other stuff is there.

Bermas: Really you think that is a distraction. You don't think that 's just a convoy? I heard that.

Grove: Think about it. Decompartmentalize, if you have a convoy of trucks. How many drivers that know about the gold? If you put it on the train, you have one guy that knows.
$167 billion worth of gold on a single subway train? Wow, I have never been so impressed with the efficiencies of public transportation. Bermas disagrees:

Bermas: Yeah, but you still need, you still need people to load it in. It's gold, it's heavy. You can't just use robots and computers. You have to have man, manpower on that one. I just think it is a unit in there, that's done a drill, and now all of a sudden it is enacted into real time. They have done a drill where they have to ship something away. It was quick. And now they say, the target is the gold, we don't know what is going to happen to these buildings, we need to get them out. And they all have signed a confidentiality agreement, they couldn't even talk about the drills they have done before. So this is just a live drill for them.

So they moved approximately 18,000 tons of gold out from under the World Trade Center, in a little over an hour from the time of the attacks to the first collapse? Well, hey, they did practice it beforehand... And they signed a confidentiality agreement too!


At 30 July, 2006 08:42, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

At first I wasn't gonna post, because this guy is just so rediculous. Now though, as I see Bermas commenting, I have to.

This is absolutely fantastic. If Grove can convince dim witted Bermas of his theories, and Bermas brings it to Avery, you know what this means...

Loose Change the final cut will be absolutely (beyond what it already is) absurd.

At 30 July, 2006 09:33, Blogger Chad said...

I sometimes wonder if these people actually imagine their theories happening in real time. Do they picture people loading that amount of gold onto the PATH?

If so, they would have to realize how bats*** crazy they are.

At 30 July, 2006 09:54, Blogger Pat said...

God, the Hegelian dialectic gets misused so often by idiots who don't understand it!

I love the way Bermas has to reassure us that the Loosers are not sitting there watching a 90-inch plasma--it's just a projector.

I suppose we can hope that Bermas and Grove really hit it off together. It would be fun watching Bermas lecturing people about "The Knights Templar were banned by--who was that Pope, Dylan? But anyway it was 666 years TO THE DAY before Marvin Bush was hired by Securacom to remove the bomb-sniffing dogs from the Pentagon. I mean, the World Trade Center."

At 30 July, 2006 10:12, Blogger Pat said...

Uh-oh, looks like "they" found out that Grove was onto them!

Fire sweeps through James Bond film studios!

At 30 July, 2006 14:01, Blogger Pepik said...

Damn, if only it wasn't for that confidentiality agreement.

At 30 July, 2006 15:43, Blogger Pat said...

I decided to download and listen to this. What is it with all these guys and their interminable intros? Fetzer does all of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and this nut has five minutes of intro! Sheesh, talk about padding!

At 30 July, 2006 16:55, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Someone added this earlier, but if ya like to hear Uncle Fester, the Consipracy Evangelist go on...this is the place

At 30 July, 2006 17:41, Blogger James B. said...

Yeah, and the Matrix sound clips. If this keeps up we could be listed on IMDB.

At 30 July, 2006 17:42, Blogger Chad said...

How shitty is it gonna' be if life turns out to be just like Gili and the world is taken over by J-Lo and Affleck clones?

At 30 July, 2006 18:04, Blogger Pat said...

Are they smoking pot around the 57:00-59:00 mark? There's certainly some unusual inhaling and exhaling going on there. Or could it be evidence of explosions?

At 30 July, 2006 21:26, Blogger CHF said...

It's getting harder and harder to tell who the REAL CTers are.

I mean what with the crazy ones being CIA "disinformation agents"...

Which seems to pretty much cover all of them.

At 31 July, 2006 10:15, Blogger High Desert Wanderer said...

Took the gold using mass transit, genius!

They took a subway train rated to hold about 144 people per car. (I'll round up an figure they're rated for about 30,000 pounds per car) They loaded 18,000 tons of gold onto it. If they didn't exceed the weight limits of the cars they'd need 1,200 cars... I think someone might have notice that don't you?

These guys are idiots.


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