V911T Email to Camp Democracy 08/02/2006:
Hi,
I am co-founder of Veterans for 9/11 Truth. I am interested in the $100
covers tabling Sept. 5 - 21, the entire camp.
This paragraph, "Note Regarding Tabling:" on the page
campdemocracy.org/organization seems to say that some handouts and
literature etc could be prohibited. I would like that clarified
before we get the table if you could please.
Thank you,
Alfons
Response from Camp Democracy 08/04/2006:
Hi - Thanks for writing.
The Camp's themes are : End War: Peace, nonviolence, accountability, and
impeachment | Human Rights: Civil Rights, Immigrants Rights, Workers
Rights, Women's Rights, Voting Rights, Katrina | End
Corporate Welfare, Meet Human Needs: Healthcare/ Energy/ Education/
Environment | Communications and Creativity: Hands-on Media and Arts
Training.
The Camp, by a decision of its steering committee, is not including 9/11
conspiracy themes, and is not accepting sponsorship from 9/11 conspiracy
groups. 9/11 conspiracy materials may not be sold, or given away for a
donation, at the event.
Best wishes,
Charlie Jenks
V911t Reply to Camp Democracy 08/05/2006:
Dear Mr. Jenkins,
First, we are not a 9/11 Conspiracy Group, we are a 9/11 Truth Group. If you want to send an email to a 9/11 Conspiracy Group, I think their email is whitehouse@whitehouse.gov
I am very surprised that you are banning speech about 9/11 Truth. Is there something that you don't understand about the freefall collapse of Building 7, or the bombs in the WTC towers? If we can help you to understand the evidence we will be more than happy to help.
I feel that Camp Democracy owes an explanation to us, and the people of America. Can you please explain your book burning/banning posture?
Respectfully,
Alfons v911t
:)
First, we are not a 9/11 Conspiracy Group, we are a 9/11 Truth Group. If you want to send an email to a 9/11 Conspiracy Group, I think their email is whitehouse@whitehouse.gov
ReplyDeleteThey're in some serious denial.
I feel that Camp Democracy owes an explanation to us, and the people of America.
ReplyDeleteGIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME!
Someone never learned to play well with others....
If you want to send an email to a 9/11 Conspiracy Group, I think their email is whitehouse@whitehouse.gov
ReplyDeleteLOL! Send one to DoD too since they are the ones who lied to the 9/11 commission.
Errr do you even read what you link?
ReplyDeleteI'll wait for your reply, you probably have a Klan meeting tonight.
Errr do you even read what you link?
ReplyDeleteI most certainly did. It's called "spin control" and as usual, the Times tries to cover the asses of their masters in the Gov.
The Pentagon initially suggested that the North American Aerospace Defense Command, the military’s domestic air-defense operation, had reacted quickly to reports of the hijackings and had been prepared to intercept and possibly shoot down one of the hijacked planes.
The Sept. 11 commission, which uncovered the inconsistencies in the Pentagon’s account
- and -
Norad demonstrated widespread confusion within the military on the morning of the attacks, with many air-defense commanders uncertain whether the reports of the hijackings were part of an unannounced military exercise.
The truth is there, you just have to dig it out. Now, wasn't that "Osama" smart to have planned these "attacks" during the no confirmed "drills" that were going on?
the Times tries to cover the asses of their masters in the Gov.
ReplyDeleteYou truly are the dumbest person I've ever come across on the internet.
Do you forget this is the same New York Times that revealed a secret government operation that was cutting off terrorist funding, even after government officials pleaded for them to not publish it? I guess so, moron.
Now, wasn't that "Osama" smart to have planned these "attacks" during the no confirmed "drills" that were going on?
ReplyDeleteThe drill DOESN'T MATTER. We would've have reacted any better without the training exercises. How you people function in the world is beyond me.
Again, read other threads. We have people who actually served or are serving. These things happen all the time.
We have people who actually served or are serving.
ReplyDeleteThe blind leading the blind?
Do you forget this is the same New York Times that revealed a secret government operation that was cutting off terrorist funding, even after government officials pleaded for them to not publish it? I guess so, moron.
ReplyDeleteWell. If you actually believe there is some kind of tension between the "press" and the government, you deserve what you get. What you see is a "sacrifice" for the greater "good" and all the theater that's "fit to print." Puuhleeezz.
The drill DOESN'T MATTER. We would've have reacted any better without the training exercises.
ReplyDeleteThat's your twisted opinion. They guys that were there say and were tapped saying otherwise.
Well. If you actually believe there is some kind of tension between the "press" and the government, you deserve what you get. What you see is a "sacrifice" for the greater "good" and all the theater that's "fit to print." Puuhleeezz.
ReplyDeleteOk, keep ignoring that the NYT published something they shouldn't have after the government pleaded for them not to.
How's the war against the "Zionists" (*cough* Jews) going, Mein Fuhrer?
That's your twisted opinion.
ReplyDeleteNo, it's not my opinion. It's a fact. We wouldn't have suddenly had two hundred airplanes at the ready - all fueled up and armed to the teeth.
The arrogant tone of these people is just comical given what they're spouting.
ReplyDeleteIt only sounds arrogant because you disagree and have nothing really to refute was is being said.
This is where you know you're dealing with someone who's insane - he thinks one of the most consistently anti-Bush papers is actually a bunch of government schills.
ReplyDeleteNo, it's not my opinion. It's a fact. We wouldn't have suddenly had two hundred airplanes at the ready - all fueled up and armed to the teeth.
ReplyDeleteThe only facts are that there were indeed hundreds of military planes in the air at the time, some as far away as Alaska and the "No Fly Zone" in Iraq that should have been patrolling the US like the regularly do. Damn! That Osama was good wasn't he? Even the NORAD people didn't know these "drills" were going on.
It only sounds arrogant because you disagree and have nothing really to refute was is being said.
ReplyDeleteNessie, you ignore any facts used to refute your claims. When you start going "oh yeah I was wrong there", then people won't insult your arrogance and ignorance (which you have in about equal measure).
The only facts are that there were indeed hundreds of military planes in the air at the time, some as far away as Alaska and the "No Fly Zone" in Iraq that should have been patrolling the US like the regularly do.
ReplyDeleteYou can't be serious, right?
anti-Bush papers is actually a bunch of government schills.
ReplyDeleteEver hear of Judith Miller? For goodness sakes, the OSP lives at the TIMES dammit! Like I said, the blind leading the blind.
Ever hear of Judith Miller? For goodness sakes, the OSP lives at the TIMES dammit! Like I said, the blind leading the blind.
ReplyDeleteSo Kerry and Clinton, and pretty much every Democrat were Bush shills, too?
Nessie, know what hindsight is? I'm pretty sure it's 20/20. It's like you morons have never heard of that before.
Next he'll quote Indymedia.
ReplyDeleteSo Kerry and Clinton, and pretty much every Democrat were Bush shills, too?
ReplyDeleteI see you need a mental beat down:
Kerry - Yale, Skull n Bones, Iran/Contra cover guy.
Clinton - Mena, CIA, Drug Running, papa Bush's close friend
Shills is too kind. These guys are opposing wings of the same bird of prey.
I see you need a mental beat down
ReplyDeleteThat was the sorriest mental beatdown in the history of humanity.
That Skull and Bones bull[crap] conspiracy nonsense doesn't fly with me. It's a frat, pal. Take off the tinfoil hat and live in the real world.
There's no Illuminati, no New World Order, no globalists, no Vast Zionist Conspiracy, none of it. The world is a fairly boring place.
You people really are retarted.
ReplyDeleteMy case proven. When intellectual ammo is gone fear and smear take a hold. And in this case, looks like you fear the mentally handicapped. Good job!
The world is a fairly boring place.
ReplyDeleteYeah well, go stand in the middle of Beirut for a few hours and report back!
BTW, only the weak minded ingest the "left vs. right" paradigm bullcrap.
ReplyDeleteMy case proven. When intellectual ammo is gone fear and smear take a hold. And in this case, looks like you fear the mentally handicapped. Good job!
ReplyDelete...fear. Right. We're not afraid of you people. It just gets annoying disproving all your points over and over again while you cling to your religious beliefs with the convictions of a zealot. It's like you idiots think we do this to defend the government. How do you explain me going to creationist forums and destroying them? The president believes in that nonsense.
Yeah well, go stand in the middle of Beirut for a few hours and report back!
Funny you bring that up:
What do you think of this obviously doctored photo of Beirut?
BTW, only the weak minded ingest the "left vs. right" paradigm bullcrap.
ReplyDeleteNesnyc calling anyone weak minded is the height of irony.
Just so you're aware, you fall under the "far right" part of the spectrum.
How's the war against the "Zionists" (*cough* Jews) going, Mein Fuhrer?
ReplyDeleteVery good! Unbeknownst to the average yokel in Amerikkka, the real rising tide of "anti-Talmudism" will be the conduit to the eventual eradication of the Zionist regime. They are playing the script exactly as written. The war of annihilation will commence shortly.
Just so you're aware, you fall under the "far right" part of the spectrum.
ReplyDeleteYou can classify me if it makes you feel better. But I most identify with the "non-bullshit" version of events and those who take power away from the status quo.
Again, nesnyc, there's no such thing as a New World Order.
ReplyDeleteAny basic student of political history could tell you a one world government would never work.
You can classify me if it makes you feel better. But I most identify with the "non-bullshit" version of events and those who take power away from the status quo.
ReplyDeleteAn anti-semite, anti-government nut who believes 9/11 was orchestrated by the government without any evidence and with generous use of logical fallacies. That's why you're far right.
How many structural engineers or CD experts have you consulted in forming your opinions?
ReplyDeleteWhat do they know about military drills on that day "Osama" didn't?
Again, nesnyc, there's no such thing as a New World Order.
ReplyDeleteCome on. Daddy Bush and Gary Hart both said they wanted it! You calling them liars?
Come on. Daddy Bush and Gary Hart both said they wanted it! You calling them liars?
ReplyDeleteYou do understand there differences between a new world order and the (dramatic music) New World Order...don't you? Any time there's a shift in world powers (Battle of Trafalgar, Great War, World War II, Cold War, etc) it's literally a "new world order". The (dramatic music) New World Order connotes a one world government police state.
Any basic student of political history could tell you a one world government would never work.
ReplyDeleteRight, it will never work, but that doesn't stop "them" from trying. But those "students" have obviously been trained on propaganda and therefore could never reasonably come to a substantial conclusion of current world affairs.
You do understand there differences between a new world order and the (dramatic music) New World Order...don't you? Any time there's a shift in world powers (Battle of Trafalgar, Great War, World War II, Cold War, etc) it's literally a "new world order". The (dramatic music) New World Order connotes a one world government police state.
ReplyDeleteThe CFR ala Bush and G. Hart want the latter. Believe me, they know the difference. Why would they need the [pre]written Patriot Act if they were talking about your first version? Damn, wet behind the ears doesn’t even come close for you.
Answer the question, you coward.
ReplyDeleteYou first.
im sorry but whenever someone mentions the new world order
ReplyDeleteThat would be your friend shawn there. I never did :)
Right, it will never work, but that doesn't stop "them" from trying. But those "students" have obviously been trained on propaganda and therefore could never reasonably come to a substantial conclusion of current world affairs.
ReplyDeleteThis coming from a guy whose education probably ended in the public arena and who couldn't interpret world events if his life depended on it.
Because of nationalism (which is the root cause of terrorism, by the way), a one world government will never work.
Believe me, they know the difference.
ReplyDeleteIn Bush's speech he was referencing the shift of power when the Soviet Union collapsed. As I already stated, you have blinders on and couldn't interpret history and/or current events if your life depended on it.
That would be your friend shawn there. I never did :)
You believe in it.
I believe I asked first.
ReplyDeleteMy thoughts on "structural engineers" is written in this blog someplace (archives?) and I really don't want to rehash that. So, I answered you before you even asked the question, now, your turn.
chf, nesnyc believes that any evidence for the "official story" is either planted/faked/or the members of these bodies are shills for the machine.
ReplyDeleteOh, by the way, that's called circular logic.
ReplyDeleteIn Bush's speech
ReplyDeleteOn 9/11 correct? :D
or the members of these bodies are shills for the machine.
ReplyDeleteor too cowardly to speak up for fear of retaliation, blacklisting and loss of income.
or too cowardly to speak up for fear of retaliation, blacklisting and loss of income.
ReplyDeleteNesnyc, absense of evidence is not evidence of absense. Try again.
You're pathetic, dude.
ReplyDeleteSo you're saying "structural engineers" really don't know why military "drills" took place on 9/11 correct? My conclusion exactly :)
Nesnyc, absense of evidence is not evidence of absense. Try again.
ReplyDeleteThen how come you guys still believe Osama is alive? Pot calling the kettle? :D
Then how come you guys still believe Osama is alive? Pot calling the kettle? :D
ReplyDeleteWell, since he was alive and we have no evidence he died, why should we assume he's dead? That's illogical, but par for the course in the nesnyc school of thinking.
OK tell you what. How about a few of you CTers get together and take a course on structural engineering. Then when you graduate, see if you still feel the same way.
ReplyDeleteLook at what you wrote. Can you figure out that to be "trained in a discipline" creates blinders on you that you cannot look past? How come the greatest inventions and innovations are always created in garages and by the "lay" person? How many of those eggheads really contributed society. I agree, they are good at the details in their "discipline" but always fail to see the bigger picture.
we have no evidence he died
ReplyDeleteNot accurate. There are various people that claim he's dead and they are in a position to know. That would be poo-poo for the US Gov though since they would have to manufacture another boogeyman and why they still release those faked tapes of him confessing and all.
Can you figure out that to be "trained in a discipline" creates blinders on you that you cannot look past?
ReplyDeleteHehe. So the only way to see Da Truff, is to be ignorant.
Well, at least you're finaly admitting it.
Watson, speaking at a conference of law enforcement officials at a downtown hotel, quickly emphasized that he had no evidence that bin Laden was dead
ReplyDeleteFirst off, you don't seem to read your own links. Second, did you check the date? We know he was alive since 2002 (I know you probably think all those videos are fake, but to those of use with working brain cells it's obviously him or his identical twin).
yeah, the WTC, Empire State Building, Sears Tower, Eiffel Tower, they were all designed by "lay" peopel in their garages
ReplyDeleteNot what I said. All the above wouldn't be able to know or reason why military drills where taking place as the real hijackings were because that wouldn't compute to them. In that, they would actually believe the government story and figure out how to make the facts "fit" that equation. They're good at that stuff you know.
In that, they would actually believe the government story and figure out how to make the facts "fit" that equation.
ReplyDeleteOdd, nesnyc talks about how his side figures out things and then projects it onto us.
You're the people who come a predetermined conclusion and then fit the evidence to match that. I believe it was alex who said it best - I can just picture you watching the WTC on fire going "Those damn Jews are at it again."
Goddamit kid. Did you forget to wear your safety helmet before climbing down into the basement? You seem even more retarded than usual....
ReplyDeleteMaybe structural engineer can't explain to you why military drills were scheduled for 9/11 (although they should be able to make an accurate guess), but I can. We do drills all the time. When we're not out fighting wars, we practice to fight wars. We do it often. Very often. Seing as there are multiple exercises going on every single day in some part of north america, it would have been EXTREMELY unusual if there had been no exercises at all going on when 9/11 occured. As it stands, it takes a special sort of lunatic to see these exercises as suspicious.
I can just picture you watching the WTC on fire going "Those damn Jews are at it again."
ReplyDeleteNope. I actually thought it might be McVeigh types trying to coup the US government like they wrote in the Turner Diaries. But wanted to wait for all the facts but that was my first thoughts.
But when some of my friends said it was for the UNOCOL pipeline in Afghanistan right after they fingered Bin Laden, I laughed! That is, until we attacked Afghanistan. Then I started to do some reading and the rest is history.
it would have been EXTREMELY unusual if there had been no exercises at all going on when 9/11 occured.
ReplyDeleteMaking it "fit?" :D
I present "Vigilant Guardian"
The publicly available mass media articles about these exercises state that they were similar enough to the actual events that top NORAD personnel were confused, not sure if 9/11 was "part of the drill" or a real world event.
So when's the last time a drill like this took place you were saying?
Nice to see the level of debate has climbed up :)
ReplyDeleteNesync;
I don't know where to begin. I probably won't say much, as I am coming to realize it is useless to argue with the "truthers".
I am offended, as a professional, with a high level of education, at what you have to say about those of us who have dedicated years and years of our lives to studying in a particular field.
rather than ask you, why don't we ask the general public who they would trust more to form an opinion on the matters of building structure and colapse...laymen, or structural engineers.
Oh but wait, if you are like the average "truther" you probably feel the average person is too dumb to see your genius, to see your amazing take on things. That is part of what makes the CT movement so attractive, is that you feel you have some secret knowledge that others don't, and that others can't fathom...only you and your ilk can.
Now before you tell me to "wake up" or that I am just "Blind to the Truth", why don't you give us a list of who you think are the best people to talk on the various aspects of the 9/11 tragedy?
I'll sit here and wait?
Being uneducated makes you SMARTER!
ReplyDeleteYep. Look at when they tried to "educate" Winston in 1984. That's what I'm talking about. There is no "education" only indoctrination centers.
spoken like a true idiot
ReplyDeleteits an annual excercise
ReplyDeleteWell that sure breaks the back of the "frequent" theory.
still waiting
ReplyDeletebecause global guardian is the ONLY excercise the military ever does, right?
ReplyDeleteI don't know if it's the only one but it surely doesn't happen everyday as Alex is trying to say, silly.
spoken like a true idiot
ReplyDeleteTakes one to know one? :D
BTW if it was so unusual shouldnt there be alot of military personel in the truth movement? they cant all be part of the coverup, right?
ReplyDeleteNo, there not part of any cover up. There really is no cover up. Only people at the very top know what happened and the rest follow behind. It's called "hive mentality" or "lemminghood" and the people pulling the shots count on this to perpetuate the lie. It's all quite simple.
what do you propose the military do with their time when they arent at war?
ReplyDeleteSit around and play cards all day?
Ah, shoot down hijacked planes that are going to crash into building? Gee, that was easy. You sure it wasn't a trick question? LOL.
No, there not part of any cover up. There really is no cover up. Only people at the very top know what happened and the rest follow behind. It's called "hive mentality" or "lemminghood" and the people pulling the shots count on this to perpetuate the lie. It's all quite simple.
ReplyDeleteExcept it wouldn't work at all. History's greatest conspiracy - Operation Fortitude/Overlord - was known to thousands of people. You morons saying "only a few need to know" doesn't fly. It isn't how the real world works.
Dylan,
ReplyDeleteYou were offered HOW MUCH, and you turned it down?
Take the money - I get more than Jason
Nesnyc;
ReplyDeletetouche on the name claling, but it helps me to vent a little.
I am still waiting for your reply...scroll up to look at the end of my first post to you, for the question I asked.
Nesnyc still hasn't responded to the doctored photo from Beirut.
ReplyDeletedoes this mean if you were in a situation to blow the lid off the conspiracy or just "follow along" youd be a good little sheep, right?
ReplyDeleteIt all depends. Firstly, I don't think I would have ever been recruited to be part of this. Secondly, if I was indeed part of it, how much of it would I have actually known? You do understand these types of things are very compartmentalized and coordinated from above. That's how to keep these types of things under wraps. But I suspect the people coordinating were paid very well. I mean 2.1 trillion dollars doesn't just get "lost" from DoD and it not land someplace. I'm sure the hands got greased enough to keep mouths shut. And those who get too close would certainly be liquidated. Come on guys, use a little imagination here. A caveman terrorist could never do what was done on 9/11.
still waiting....
ReplyDeleteok, i will restate it...
Nesnyc;
Given you don't think the experts in given fields are the right people to weigh in on the events of 9/11, in terms of evidence and opinion, who do YOU think should provide the evidence and opinions on the 9/11 acttacks. Who should the people believe when asking questions on building collapse, or Explosions, if not the engineers etc..
Nesnyc still hasn't responded to the doctored photo from Beirut.
ReplyDeleteWhat about it? People a dead in Lebanon in general because of rabid Zionist aggression. So what if a few pictures get doctored along the way. Lebanon is ruined and now the Zionists can launch their war with Syria.
Come on guys, use a little imagination here. A caveman terrorist could never do what was done on 9/11.
ReplyDeleteWhen he has hundreds of millions of dollars and nationalistic and religious fervor driving his devotees he can.
Most suicide terrorists volunteer for the job.
A single man (with almost no support) destroyed a federal building in Oklahoma City, I know you guys don't have minds for history, so I thought I'd point that out.
What about it? People a dead in Lebanon in general because of rabid Zionist aggression. So what if a few pictures get doctored along the way. Lebanon is ruined and now the Zionists can launch their war with Syria.
ReplyDeleteSo his true colors show. Fake, but accurate, eh? Anti-Israel propaganda is just fine and dandy.
I know you probably don't buy it because you ignore reality, but Israel had every right to attack a country who kidnapped two of their soldiers (in Israel). Hizbollah could've just released the soldiers, and it would've ended the day it began. Under international law, everyone who dies in the war is on their hands.
Who should the people believe when asking questions on building collapse, or Explosions, if not the engineers etc..
ReplyDeleteDoes what you say work in a court of law? How come Juries are picked at random from the population to weigh evidence? Wouldn't an all "expert" jury defeat the purpose?
Does what you say work in a court of law? How come Juries are picked at random from the population to weigh evidence? Wouldn't an all "expert" jury defeat the purpose?
ReplyDeleteOJ walked free, y'know.
How come Juries are picked at random from the population to weigh evidence?
ReplyDeleteHow come lawyers get to select the juries and ensure no lunatics with pre-conceived biases end up on them?
How come uneducated lunatics like you don't get to present evidence at a trial?
Under international law, everyone who dies in the war is on their hands.
ReplyDeleteYou just nullified the holyco$t :D
You just nullified the holyco$t :D
ReplyDeleteThat didn't even make sense.
PS the portion of the Geneva Convention that places the blame for civilian deaths on the armed forces hiding among them wasn't enacted till after WW2.
ReplyDeleteOh, and just as an example, I remember taking part in an exercise once where we were acting in an aid-to-civil-power role. My unit practiced securing and entering houses in a large city and apprehending suspected IED makers and suicide bombers.
ReplyDeleteA couple days later, the local police forces with the assistance of a special forces unit, did the same thing when they aprehended the 17 Canadian terror suspects.
IT'S A CONSPIRACY!
I am glad you brought that analogy up Nesnyc.
ReplyDeleteIn a court of law ther are "expert" witnesses, which the law treats as such, because they have been accepted by the laws of society as experts in the particular field they are chosen to testify on....
In a 9/11 trial, who would the courts choose to give testimony and evidence with regards to a complex issue such as building collapse....hmmm, I wonder....you....Nope....me....nope...a structural engineer....now you got it...
thanks for bringing up the analogy...I wouldn't have thought of it right away, but it was the best way to make my point.
suddenly got very quiet in here :)
ReplyDeleteIn a court of law ther are "expert" witnesses
ReplyDeleteWell, in the case of the 9/11 conspiracy, the "experts" have spoken and a lot of us potential jurors can smell those lies a mile away.
suddenly got very quiet in here :)
ReplyDeleteDon't worry, I was busy doing something else, I'm still here :) This site looked dead today and I decided to grace it with my presence one more time.
you arent a potential jurer, no one on this blog is
ReplyDeleteWell, I sort of agree. And, with recent polls showing more and more believing 911 to be an inside job that pool of potential pro-government jurors is getting smaller and smaller all the time.
Ah yes, you and your useless polls.
ReplyDeleteGo out on the street tomorrow and conduct a poll. Ask 100 people whether they're ever jaywalked. Then the next day you can publish an article stating "In a recent poll, 100% of Americans admitted to being criminals".
Ah yes, you and your useless polls.
ReplyDeleteOnly "useless" because they nullify your "experts" as hard as they've tried to push their fantasy on us.
what was it 80% of americans couldnt find iraq on a map? does that mean iraq doesnt exist?
ReplyDeleteNo, that mean mission accomplished for the indoctrination centers. However, government lies are more closely scrutinized as liars are more easily identified than countries on a map.
For those of you call me and "anti-Semite" see here:
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ReplyDeleteKeep talking asshole. It's obvious you don't have either the balls nor the competence to ever actually DO anything. All you'll ever be is a source of hot air.
ReplyDeletea source of hot air.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of... LMAO :D
I have nothing further to say to anyone who considers Structural Engineers "Unqualified" to speak as experts on Skyscraper collapse.
ReplyDeleteI have nothing further to say
ReplyDeleteThank You.
you've admited that you're not qualified and have no intension of either educating yourself or consulting those who are experts.
ReplyDeleteYou've basically just admited that you're a complete ignoramus.
We're all born with the same equipment. Weather we choose to use it or allow other to do the thinking for us is a matter of personal choice. You can be lead and be deceived or you can take charge and filter out the bullshit. The choice is totally yours.
What makes you think I’m not educated? Regardless, no matter how much "education" or indoctrination you may get, it won’t help you acquire common sense.
ReplyDeleteWithout educaction you end up spouting crap about free-fall collapses, thermite and "pull it."
ReplyDeleteThere's a lot to the simplification you just regurgitated there. A lot of this can be backed up by science and a lot of folks are dedicating their efforts to that. We can get lost in those details and miss the bigger and simpler picture to understand the mechanics of 911.
I put a simple question here and all of you with ALL your education couldn't come up with an answer. The question how was "Osama" so lucky to have planned his "attacks" on the same day as military drills basically paralleling the attacks? What are the odds? Go ahead, take and "educated" guess. No need to get into thermite or free fall or other stuff that requires details and loss of the bigger scenario. I bet none of you are capable, period.
another question to ask, is how often are anti-hijacking excercises conducted? if this is a weekly or even monthly thing then a coincidence isnt so unlikely after all
ReplyDeleteSo far, on 911 there has been reported up to 12 different exercises all encompassing one or more areas of the actual attack. Again, what are the odds? It's really simple. People are convicted on the odds that their DNA is one billion to one theirs and only theirs. The odds that the same kinds of hijacking and attack drills were occurring on 911 has to be up there in the billion to one range.
In order to do that you physical evidence and expert corroboration. That's how strong cases get built.
ReplyDeleteSo why on Earth do you people insist Osama did it? Flimsy isn't even the right word to describe how incredibly weak the case is against him.
So why on Earth do you people insist Osama did it? Flimsy isn't even the right word to describe how incredibly weak the case is against him.
ReplyDeleteWell, sure, if you take for granted that he's a CIA spy, or that his videotaped confessions were faked, then yes the case could be considered a bit flimsy. However, you gotta be popping WAAAAAY too manny whacky-pills to get into that sort of mindset.
so what part of the attack did global guardian and northern vigilence encompass? did the russians bomb the WTC?
ReplyDeletea National Reconnaissance Office exercise on September 11, in which a small corporate jet would crash into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failure[1] The NRO, whose name was classified until 1992,[2] is the branch of the Department of Defense in charge of spy satellites.
Global Guardian, an annual exercise that would pose an imaginary crisis to the United States Strategic Command. It had been running for several days. The exercise allegedly involved a simulated Russian bomber attack.[4] Global Guardian is performed in conjunction with Vigilant Guardian, the annual training exercise (usually occurring in October) conducted by NORAD as well as exercises under the direction of Air Combat Command (Crown Vigilance) and US Space Command (Apollo Guardian).[5] "Vigilant Guardian" is a HQ-sponsored CPx (Command Post Exercise), meaning it is conducted in offices and with computers, but without actual planes in the air. All of NORAD was involved in "Vigilant Guardian."[6] However, it did include radar injects, or false blips, which could explain the FAA's observation of a 'phantom flight 11' on FAA radar well after the plane struck the WTC and after NORAD claims to have called off all war games.
Vigilant Warrior, a NORAD live-fly (confirmed by its second name 'warrior') exercise mentioned in Richard Clarke's Against All Enemies page 4-5 (possibly the same as Vigilant Guardian, or possibly the complementary "offense" or "red team" portion of the drill involving real planes acting as simulated hijacked plane)
Operation Northern Vigilance, which involved deploying fighter jets to locations in Alaska and northern Canada. According to the Toronto Star: " Part of this exercise is pure simulation, but part is real world: NORAD is keeping a close eye on the Russians, who have dispatched long-range bombers to their own high north on a similar exercise." Planned
Operation Northern Guardian "In late August 2001, two-thirds of the 27th Fighter Squadron are sent overseas. Six of the squadron's fighters and 115 people go to Turkey to enforce the no-fly zone over northern Iraq as part of Operation Northern Watch. Another six fighters and 70 people are sent to Iceland to participate in "Operation Northern Guardian." These
TRIPOD II, a joint FEMA and Department of Justice biowarfare vaccination exercise, scheduled for September 12 at New York's Pier 29, and revealed in testimony by former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani at the 9/11 Commission. The command center assembled at Pier 29 was used for FEMA response to the events of 9/11 after Giuliani's Office of Emergency Management offices were evacuated and later destroyed in WTC 7.
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Okay, we have false blips on radar, whole sqardons away in Trukey! "Emergency" in New York and planes crashing into buildings, all on 911. What are the odds?
Above source.
So nesnyc is out of the aryan closet, eh?
ReplyDeleteIs there anyone in the "truth" movement who isn't a swatika swinger?
Osama admitted it on tape several times
ReplyDeleteIt's well established those tapes are fabrications from US Intelligence.
So nesnyc is out of the aryan closet, eh?
ReplyDeleteIs there anyone in the "truth" movement who isn't a swatika swinger?
Nice try. But we all know those "Neo Nazi" are just Zionist hoaxsters.
you have some pretty flimsy standards of "well established"
ReplyDeleteSame as the Osama tale, no? :D
and once again, any evidence these excercises were unusual at all? any evidence this is anythign more than a coincidence?
ReplyDeleteWell gee! Aren't those an awful LOT of coincidences? Again, what are the odds?
It's well established those tapes are fabrications from US Intelligence.
ReplyDeleteWrong again, Nazinyc.
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/lcg5.html
How does it feel to be WTFPWNED by a stranger over the internet?
Okay, we have false blips on radar, whole sqardons away in Trukey! "Emergency" in New York and planes crashing into buildings, all on 911. What are the odds?
ReplyDeleteA hell of a lot better than the odds of 5 D-Day codewords appearing by accident in a crossword puzzle. Yet both events happened. Since it's obvious you've been living in a hole in the ground I'll also correct you on a few other things:
The US pretty much always has "whole squadrons" away somewhere. The ones in turkey were inforcing the Iraq no fly-zone, meaning they've been doing it since the mid 90's. So the odds of them still being there in 2001 are pretty damn good, don't you think? There were also many aircraft in Kosovo at the time. Plus a few in Canada. Some in Germany. A couple in Korea and Japan maybe. Deffinitely a few floating around the atlantic and pacific. I'm not sure about the exact deployment schedule of the US airforce, but I know they keep busy.
There were no false blips on FAA radars. NORAD wouldn't be injecting radar blips into FAA computers.
And, uh....well I'm not too sure exactly what else you're so surprised about. I really can't make sense of most of your drivel.
sure, if multiple confessions are flimsy
ReplyDeleteOkay, what if there were NO fake confessions, what does that do to the case? Even FBI knows not to charge Osama with 911 since the facts have more holes than Swiss cheese.
im inclined to believe they are normal because if they werent youd be able to find a credible source saying they werent
ReplyDeleteOkay, you're loosing focus here. What are the odds of the "terrorist" attacks of 9/11 happening on the same day as the planned "drills?" It’s quite easy. Don’t loose yourself in your own apologies and sorry assed excuses.
There aren't ANY fake confessions, Nazinyc.
ReplyDeleteBTW, Osama is slightly outside the FBI's jurisdiction. They aren't likely to have anything to do with Bin Ladens persuit and capture.
Okay, you're loosing focus here. What are the odds of the "terrorist" attacks of 9/11 happening on the same day as the planned "drills?"
ReplyDelete100%
Wargames and excersizes are constantly being conducted by the military. It's all part of that "to prevent war, one must prepare for it" thing.
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/lcg5.html
ReplyDeleteAh ha ha ha, I can't believe you people actually take the viewer's guide crap seriously. Good comic relief though. I feel sorry for the dude that made that junk up though. All for not.
Okay, you're loosing focus here. What are the odds of the "terrorist" attacks of 9/11 happening on the same day as the planned "drills?"
ReplyDeleteWell, considering that Global Guardian is more than a week long, at WORST the odds would be about 52:1 against. If you consider the fact that NORAD conducts more than one exercise per year, the number drops to something more like 10:1.
you generally dont charge someone with something until you have them in custody
ReplyDeleteWell, they pinned the Kenya bombings on him all with him not even being there. Guess that blows your theory out of the water.
FYI here are some exercises which NORTHCOM conducts on a yearly basis:
ReplyDeleteAmalgam Fabric Brave
Amalgam Falcon Brave
Amalgam Fencing Brave
Amalgam Virgo
Amalgam Warrior
Amazon Condor
Determined Promise
Vigilant Guardian
Vigilant Overview
Unified Defense
United Defense
In addition to those, there are intermittent exercises which do not occur annualy or quarterly, but are a one-time occurence made to fill a specific need.
Long story short, Nessie, you're an idiot.
why cant you tell me the odds?
ReplyDeleteAstranomical / 1
Okay? Consider the US mainland has never been attacked and then how the drills coincided almost exactly as to how the attack carried out. Hummm.. Even Tripod in NYC? Give me a freakin' break.
Astranomical / 1
ReplyDeleteNo, as I demonstrated, the worst possible number you could claim is 52:1, not "astronomical:1"
Okay? Consider the US mainland has never been attacked and then how the drills coincided almost exactly as to how the attack carried out.
That's the whole point of drills, dumbass. We anticipate likey scenarios, and then rehears our response to them. What did you expect NORAD to be practicing for? An invasion of Pink Unicorns with Gold Helmets? A swarm of flying monkeys with rambo knives? The accidental release of the general population of an insane assylum? (ok, well, judging by your behaviour, maybe they should have been practicing for that last one...)
Stop making excuses. It's simple, 9/11 was carried out on the backs of the "drills" to help it achieve what it achieved. Simple. No coincidences here, it was planned.
ReplyDeleteI live in NYC, I can tell you we don't have Tripod exercises every day. The last bio-warfare type of drill we had was like a decade ago (other than tripod).
Basically, you're making excuses on blind faith that there are criminal elements within YOUR government that carried out these crimes. Get over it, that's what happened. Time to grow up and face reality.
That's the whole point of drills, dumbass. We anticipate likey scenarios,
ReplyDeleteDamn, you people are DENSE! There are 365 days of the year, 911's don't happen all the time and neither do the "drills." Wake up!
contrary to the opinions of most new yorkers, there are other cities in the US, chicago had a bio-warfare drill or two as well in 98 or 99, so it seems these type of excercises may be rather common
ReplyDeleteVery good! Now factor in Tripod just happened in NYC out of the thousands of cities across the US and you can put those odds up there in the Astronomical range. You just proved my point dead on. Thanks.
right, the military conducts excercises for 1 day a year and sits on there asses for the other 364 days
ReplyDeleteYeah, what are the chances of these things intersecting? Nil.
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ReplyDeleteyour the one making assumptions on the blind faith that the govt is "out to get you"
ReplyDeleteAren't you the one who thinks an Arab caveman is out to get you? LOL..
coincidences are not evidence of a conspiracy
ReplyDeleteThat's what I'm saying. The odds are too great for this to be any coincidence. It was planned! These are anything but coincidences. You guys are the ones calling them coincidences but I have clearly showed you they could not be.
then explain lincoln/kennedy, surely those odds are far too high for it to be anythign other than planned
ReplyDeleteNone of those facts affect a common target so it's interesting that there could be all those similarities but as far as affecting a common target (same place same time) it is pretty much a bad analogy to the 911 drills.
Damn, you people are DENSE! There are 365 days of the year, 911's don't happen all the time and neither do the "drills." Wake up!
ReplyDeleteWhat are you fucking blind? Shit like this makes me want to throttle you. I'll review since you've obviously chosen to ignore the evidence once again:
Global guardian was a week long exercise.
In addition, NORCOM runs all of these exercises on a yearly basis if not more often:
Amalgam Fabric Brave
Amalgam Falcon Brave
Amalgam Fencing Brave
Amalgam Virgo
Amalgam Warrior
Amazon Condor
Determined Promise
Vigilant Guardian
Vigilant Overview
Unified Defense
United Defense
All of them take a minimum of 3 days, and go up to a week. Several of them occur twice a year instead of only once. So what we end up with is roughly 14 exercises, running for an average of 5 days each. Meaning NORCOM every year spends 70 days conducting exercises. That means the no matter when a terror attack occurs, there's at least a 1 in 5 chance that NORCOM will be conducting an exercise.
Ofcourse, NORCOM is only one organization. I can guarantee you 100% for certain that as we speak right now there are at least 3 exercises going on in North America. I can say that about every single other year of the day too, except maybe Christmas when there would be only 1 or 2.
And not only can I say that about every other year of the day, but every other day of the year too!
ReplyDeleteI think I'm picking up your mental disorder. Getting all lysdexic and shit.
so basicaly your saying coincidences are ok as long as you arent predisposed to seeing a conspiracy there
ReplyDeleteSay you have a string of murders and all have been killed with their shoelaces in the same part of the same city. Chances are that conspiracy to murder people was committed by the same person correct? Now, going by your analogy, murders committed in the 1800's also had the hallmarks of the shoelace killer, would it be the same person? Just to clarify since you seem to be loosing your focus.
but im tired, so im gonna go make sure theres no jews hiding under my bed and that dick cheney isnt in my closet and go to bed
ReplyDeleteCheck for Osama too, I hear he's a real head case... Nighty, night.
Yeah, check for Osama! He's a CIA spy!
ReplyDeleteNo, wait, he's dead!
No, he's on dyalisis!
Uhm, no, I mean he's a CIA agent!
And the hijackers are alive!
But there were no hijackers....
But, anyway, they're all alive!
Except Osama.
He's dead.
Or on dyalisis.
My head hurts....
Christ on a cracker, I go to bed at one in the morning and wake up and there's 80 more comments.
ReplyDeleteNesnyc - http://judicial-inc.biz is not a reliable source. Next you're gonna link Jew Watch or David Irving's official website.
ReplyDeleteI just had to be the person to add the 200th post to this :)
ReplyDeleteSounds like this hit nesync's central nervous system.
ReplyDeleteHe wants so desperately to be taken seriously, but even his political "brothers in arms" won't go on record associating with him and the denial-based community in their public protests.
Now its personal - hence, the singular insanity he's spewing on this thread. Spinning and twirling to desperately grasp what's left of his religion.
I've gone through a bowl and a half of popcorn already.
This thread has been bukkaked with stupid. :p
ReplyDeleteIt truly does not look like it came from a plane. I cannot get away from that.
ReplyDeletePlanes don't leave Wile E. Coyote punchouts in the sides of buildings.
Joey
ReplyDeleteThis particular site, is more of a commentary and debate site, than a "Prove" this or that site.
If you are looking for reference to debunking the Pentagon missile myth, I am sure someone can point you in the right direction.
I am a noob, can someone show me where this site debunks the hole in the Pentagon. It truly does not look like it came from a plane. I cannot get away from that.
ReplyDeleteWhile there are sites that better address this issue, we have discussed it a couple of different times.
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/07/so-much-for-that-16-foot-hole.html