Truthers do monitor this site. Maybe Payday had not been vetted because he was recommended by somebody. I've noticed that the bad guys tend to stick together and recommend each other. You get a bullshit cabal (Rodriguez, Barrett, Ranke, Balsamo) with Barrett at the middle.
Without Payday's Nazi graphics, I'm not sure there's enough transparency to put pressure on the convention center, so I don't see the point. Of course, we all know that at least half of them are anti-Semitic nutjobs, but like Alex Jones, they've learned to not come out and say it. Payday's sin was his graphic admission.
Uh oh! The biggest politician ever is now flirting with truthnieness. His reasoning? 'If they can make Avatar, they can make anything,' the former prime minister told a press conference here yesterday after delivering his speech at the General Conference for the Support of Al-Quds to aid the Palestinians. I really hope he was joking. http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Malaysia/Story/A1Story20100121-193339.html
Pffft. If anything, it's harder to make convincing computer models, because audiences are so accustomed to seeing it in movies. CGI that was top-shelf just a few years ago now looks stilted and obvious. Terminator 2: Judgment Day comes to mind. (It's still an awesome movie, though.)
Shyam Sunder said anything with structural elements beneath it would not experience free-fall acceleration, but the NIST report stated that there was free-fall acceleration for over 2 seconds, or 100+ feet, during the collapse of Building 7. They say it was caused by the failure of 1 out of 83 columns, but they never explained how this was possible. Neither have you. Why is that?
"Anonymous said... Shyam Sunder said anything with structural elements beneath it would not experience free-fall acceleration, but the NIST report stated that there was free-fall acceleration for over 2 seconds, or 100+ feet, during the collapse of Building 7. They say it was caused by the failure of 1 out of 83 columns, but they never explained how this was possible. Neither have you. Why is that?"
Because you're a moron and wouldn't understand the explanation.
Well you see Anonymous due to fire parts of the internal floors collapsed, you know when you see the penthouse fall inward, (the part truthers never show you). This left much of the top and north wall of building 7 unsupported. This allowed them to fall quite quickly as shown by the video truthers will show you, the 6 second or so collapse of the north wall.
Now add that to the time it took the internal structure to collapse you have a total collapse time of over 13 seconds. In keeping from a stickily gravity driven event. and clearly demonstrated by videos of the ENTIRE event.
Now the fact you are so mentally challenge as to NOT understand something rather simple is rather telling, but not surprising given the level of competence of your average truther. These questions of yours will always rattle around in you pea size brain, but will mean nothing to us who are educated and more analytically endowed.
Basically just run along little boy and don't think about it, it's something you are not equipped for.
Mr. Kyte, if the north wall of WTC7 was unsupported, why didn't it fold up like a wet paper bag as the NIST computer models predicted? How can you have 600 foot columns with no lateral support and they don't buckle? Want to explain that, Your Excellency?
"you are so mentally challenge..." "In keeping from a stickily gravity driven event..." "around in you pea size brain..."
Funny how geniuses like you butcher the English language, and then call strangers 'mentally challenge'. You also clearly misunderstood the question, and failed to answer it in any way: the full duration of the collapse is immaterial. I'm referring to the period of free-fall, confirmed by NIST, which means all potential energy is being converted to motion. Do you understand what this means, and why Sunder would have said it's impossible, or is it time for someone else to help you out?
Biker: Since you posted the link, can you point to where NIST explains how the failure of 1 column caused all elements to descend at once, with no resistance at all?
You too, Lazarus. You can both show me just how 'rational' your discourse is.
Funny how geniuses like you butcher the English language,
Yes Brian, as a writer I suck, I sometime type you instead of your, But science was my thing and maybe that is why I understand it so much better than you. Although the fact you are by all standards a guy who can't grasp even the simplest of physics may have something to do with it.
Yes Brian I am smarter than you and so I am not a truther. You will always be that idiot who at 55 can't hold a simple janitorial job. You should feel inferior because everyone except maybe spacebar guy is better that you. It's all part of being a truther, cause and effect.
So now thy your hardest and explain in your own simpleton way exactly why the statement by Shyam Sunder demonstrates a controlled demolition? No more stupid question and insight about my typing skills. Prove you are not the idiots you present so well.
Here I will help you out.... A controlled demolition would not necessarily cause the free fall of parts of the building. You do understand that.
"If none of you can provide an explanation, why would you think it's been explained?"
Brian time to put up or shut up.
Why is it YOU can not find an explanation or understand the one all others seem to grasp, barring that give a clear logical explanation exactly why the statement by Shyam Sunder even remotely implies a controlled demolition.
The fact YOU don't know does not make building 7 a controlled demolition.
You are like a petulant child asking "Daddy Why?" when told he is wrong. And given the thing you have said I suspect a child is not far from your intelligence level.
Brian, here's a comment you made on the Aussie truther site, 9110z:
"After way too many years on this stuff, I would be extremely grateful if some knowledgeable engineer would pat my silly little head and show me where I'm wrong so I can move on in my life. I have emailed a couple thousand college professors and I've never seen any indication that they can."
There were many 'knowledgeable engineers' involved in the NIST reports.
Accept the reality, and move on.
Also, you sent a "couple of thousand emails", Brian?
Mr. Kyte, I didn't say anything about Shyam Sunder in this thread. That was some other anonymous.
Thanks for using the word "demonstrates" instead of "proves". Extra points for nuance! Of course it's still rather blunt.
How about "suggests"?
Did NIST ever do an energetic analysis quantifying the energy necessary to pulverize the concrete and dismember and crush the steel bix columns? I didn't think so.
Mr. Kyte, I didn't say anything about Shyam Sunder in this thread. That was some other anonymous.
Thanks for using the word "demonstrates" instead of "proves". Extra points for nuance! Of course it's still rather blunt.
How about "suggests"?
Did NIST ever do an energetic analysis quantifying the energy necessary to pulverize the concrete and dismember and crush the steel box columns? If they did, I don't think they published it.
Unfortunately, NIST's behavior in tossing its empirical studies of the truss-sag theory suggest that they tossed a lot of studies counterindicating their theories.
Is this the conference thats going to be in Pennsylvania in March? I think I'm going to try to go to it as its only about an hour and a half from me. I keep seeing these things in Vancouver and Toronto and New Zealand. Its nice to have something local. -Emory
"After way too many years on this stuff, I would be extremely grateful if some knowledgeable engineer would pat my silly little head and show me where I'm wrong so I can move on in my life. I have emailed a couple thousand college professors and I've never seen any indication that they can."
It's because nobody cares about your insane beliefs, Brian. Professors are busy people who don't have time to respond to lunatics. I've explained this to you many times.
Also, you sent a "couple of thousand emails", Brian?
"...the six second collapse of the front wall" HaHaHaHaHaHa...is Shyte at the moldy crack again? Hey Shyte,after saving up for your bus ride to Pennsylvania to have your ass handed to you by "truthers",why don't you take advantage of the Medicaid program and have your head examined.
"..the six second collapse of the front wall".Sure,Chief,it's so obvious,just look at the video.HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa R.I.P. Whining Dogs of the Lunatic Debunker Cult+Nico Haupt.
And then Shyte referred to the "six second collapse of the front wall".I mean,that one is beyond priceless! Boy,when a liberal Democrat from Abandoned Buildings,Michigan folds his tent he folds it with a bang,not a whimper!!
In case you missed it Bilbo,the liberal Democrat from Tommy Hearns' neck of the woods took another look at #7 falling neatly into a pile and claimed he could break it down like a madcap Nazi scientist.He saw the North face of the building "collapsing" in six seconds.No word on what he saw the West face of the bulding doing, or any other side for that matter! Oh well,we knew that boy was going to crash mightily at some point,so.......The Debunker Cult:"We make it up as we go along and DAMN THE TORPEDOES,FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!"
Pat, why don't you "debunk" what Coleen and Anthony are about? Oh, that's right... you can't.
ReplyDeletePat, why don't you "debunk" what Coleen and Anthony are about? Oh, that's right... you can't.
ReplyDeleteHeh, I love it how irritated the "truthers" get whenever their "movement" gets embarrassed (which is pretty frequently).
I'd like to think my 5 seconds of searching Myspace for Payday Monsanto had something to do with this.
Truthers do monitor this site. Maybe Payday had not been vetted because he was recommended by somebody. I've noticed that the bad guys tend to stick together and recommend each other. You get a bullshit cabal (Rodriguez, Barrett, Ranke, Balsamo) with Barrett at the middle.
ReplyDelete'Pat, why don't you "debunk" what Coleen and Anthony are about?'
ReplyDeleteWe've done it repeatedly on numerous threads. You just can't admit that you've been owned.
On topic, we have our own equivalent of Payday Monsanto in the UK. He's called Lowkey, and he's also a failure.
"I'd like to think my 5 seconds of searching Myspace for Payday Monsanto had something to do with this."
ReplyDeleteKudos!
Does this mean we can't sick the SPLC and ADL on them anymore?
ReplyDeleteWithout Payday's Nazi graphics, I'm not sure there's enough transparency to put pressure on the convention center, so I don't see the point. Of course, we all know that at least half of them are anti-Semitic nutjobs, but like Alex Jones, they've learned to not come out and say it. Payday's sin was his graphic admission.
ReplyDeleteUh oh! The biggest politician ever is now flirting with truthnieness. His reasoning?
ReplyDelete'If they can make Avatar, they can make anything,' the former prime minister told a press conference here yesterday after delivering his speech at the General Conference for the Support of Al-Quds to aid the Palestinians.
I really hope he was joking.
http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Malaysia/Story/A1Story20100121-193339.html
Jack-asses.
ReplyDelete'If they can make Avatar, they can make anything'
ReplyDeletePffft. If anything, it's harder to make convincing computer models, because audiences are so accustomed to seeing it in movies. CGI that was top-shelf just a few years ago now looks stilted and obvious. Terminator 2: Judgment Day comes to mind. (It's still an awesome movie, though.)
Pwnt.
ReplyDeleteBut hey what happened at luke's court date yesterday? Bet be lost since he didn't crow about a win on wearelame website yet.
Introducing Low-Key:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcoc9Ny1BD4&feature=PlayList&p=32FA33BD1884BF67&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1
I really hope he was joking.
ReplyDeleteMahathir came out of the closet as a twoofer a few years ago. All this proves is he is still an America-hating asshole.
Truther girl says
ReplyDeleteHaiti Quake, HAARP and the NWO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_ZEPZPtEI0&feature=related
Shyam Sunder said anything with structural elements beneath it would not experience free-fall acceleration, but the NIST report stated that there was free-fall acceleration for over 2 seconds, or 100+ feet, during the collapse of Building 7. They say it was caused by the failure of 1 out of 83 columns, but they never explained how this was possible. Neither have you. Why is that?
ReplyDelete"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteShyam Sunder said anything with structural elements beneath it would not experience free-fall acceleration, but the NIST report stated that there was free-fall acceleration for over 2 seconds, or 100+ feet, during the collapse of Building 7. They say it was caused by the failure of 1 out of 83 columns, but they never explained how this was possible. Neither have you. Why is that?"
Because you're a moron and wouldn't understand the explanation.
Try me, Lazarus. Seriously.
ReplyDeleteAnyone?
ReplyDeleteanyone?
ReplyDeleteIt's already been explained.
ReplyDeleteWell you see Anonymous due to fire parts of the internal floors collapsed, you know when you see the penthouse fall inward, (the part truthers never show you). This left much of the top and north wall of building 7 unsupported. This allowed them to fall quite quickly as shown by the video truthers will show you, the 6 second or so collapse of the north wall.
ReplyDeleteNow add that to the time it took the internal structure to collapse you have a total collapse time of over 13 seconds. In keeping from a stickily gravity driven event. and clearly demonstrated by videos of the ENTIRE event.
Now the fact you are so mentally challenge as to NOT understand something rather simple is rather telling, but not surprising given the level of competence of your average truther. These questions of yours will always rattle around in you pea size brain, but will mean nothing to us who are educated and more analytically endowed.
Basically just run along little boy and don't think about it, it's something you are not equipped for.
Now instead of asking stupid question explain how what Shyam Sunder said demonstrates a controlled demolition?
ReplyDeleteMr. Kyte, if the north wall of WTC7 was unsupported, why didn't it fold up like a wet paper bag as the NIST computer models predicted? How can you have 600 foot columns with no lateral support and they don't buckle? Want to explain that, Your Excellency?
ReplyDelete"you are so mentally challenge..."
ReplyDelete"In keeping from a stickily gravity driven event..." "around in you pea size brain..."
Funny how geniuses like you butcher the English language, and then call strangers 'mentally challenge'.
You also clearly misunderstood the question, and failed to answer it in any way: the full duration of the collapse is immaterial. I'm referring to the period of free-fall, confirmed by NIST, which means all potential energy is being converted to motion. Do you understand what this means, and why Sunder would have said it's impossible, or is it time for someone else to help you out?
It's already been explained.
ReplyDeleteNew Yorker, could you show me where it has been explained, or are you just lying to yourself and others?
ReplyDeleteNew Yorker, could you show me where it has been explained, or are you just lying to yourself and others?
ReplyDeleteI'm not lying. It's been explained.
See.
ReplyDeleteDid I say he wouldn't understand it or did I say he wouldn't understand it?
Frikkin' moron with laser beams on his head.
New Yorker, you're just spamming now.
ReplyDeleteLaz, what exactly did I not understand? Can you point to it?
If none of you can provide an explanation, why would you think it's been explained?
Is rational discourse even possible on this forum?
"rational discourse" is a concept that is impossible for troofers to understand you blithering moron.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/wtc082108.html
"Laz, what exactly did I not understand? Can you point to it?"\
ReplyDeleteEverything, boron.
Everything.
"Is rational discourse even possible on this forum?"
ReplyDeleteNot with you, you retarded marmoset.
And boron, you never answered the question I asked earlier.
ReplyDeleteWhen you were a child playing in the sandbox, did the cat try to cover you up?
Biker: Since you posted the link, can you point to where NIST explains how the failure of 1 column caused all elements to descend at once, with no resistance at all?
ReplyDeleteYou too, Lazarus. You can both show me just how 'rational' your discourse is.
Retarded marmoset? That's clever. Now how about some real analysis? What's keeping you?
ReplyDeleteRetarded marmoset? That's clever. Now how about some real analysis? What's keeping you?
ReplyDeleteNobody cares, Petgoat.
911 troof movement = continuing fail
ReplyDelete" Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteRetarded marmoset? That's clever. Now how about some real analysis? What's keeping you?"
You're a retarded marmoset.
You wouldn't understand.
clever, not original.
ReplyDeleteI pretty quickly found the term "retarded marmoset" in a 10/04 post:
http://www.nhbgear.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=v9mj1hlpd2dstfv47lebmq58f5&action=search2
So after a brief appearance by other "truthers", it appears we're back to the usual pair of Brian and Spacebar Guy, is that right?
ReplyDeleteBrian, considering all the sockpuppets you have out there on the internet, it's weird that you haven't created a new one here. Just go with Snug.bug.
Also, Brian, can you start calling us "girls" again? That was always worth a laugh.
ReplyDeleteFunny how geniuses like you butcher the English language,
ReplyDeleteYes Brian, as a writer I suck, I sometime type you instead of your, But science was my thing and maybe that is why I understand it so much better than you. Although the fact you are by all standards a guy who can't grasp even the simplest of physics may have something to do with it.
Yes Brian I am smarter than you and so I am not a truther. You will always be that idiot who at 55 can't hold a simple janitorial job. You should feel inferior because everyone except maybe spacebar guy is better that you. It's all part of being a truther, cause and effect.
So now thy your hardest and explain in your own simpleton way exactly why the statement by Shyam Sunder demonstrates a controlled demolition? No more stupid question and insight about my typing skills. Prove you are not the idiots you present so well.
Here I will help you out.... A controlled demolition would not necessarily cause the free fall of parts of the building. You do understand that.
"If none of you can provide an explanation, why would you think it's been explained?"
ReplyDeleteBrian time to put up or shut up.
Why is it YOU can not find an explanation or understand the one all others seem to grasp, barring that give a clear logical explanation exactly why the statement by Shyam Sunder even remotely implies a controlled demolition.
The fact YOU don't know does not make building 7 a controlled demolition.
You are like a petulant child asking "Daddy Why?" when told he is wrong. And given the thing you have said I suspect a child is not far from your intelligence level.
"Explain to me Daddy"
"Why Daddy?"
STOP BEING THE FOOL.
Brian, here's a comment you made on the Aussie truther site, 9110z:
ReplyDelete"After way too many years on this stuff, I would be extremely grateful if some knowledgeable engineer would pat my silly little head and show me where I'm wrong so I can move on in my life. I have emailed a couple thousand college professors and I've never seen any indication that they can."
There were many 'knowledgeable engineers' involved in the NIST reports.
Accept the reality, and move on.
Also, you sent a "couple of thousand emails", Brian?
Please, seek professional help.
Mr. Kyte, I didn't say anything about Shyam Sunder in this thread. That was some other anonymous.
ReplyDeleteThanks for using the word "demonstrates" instead of "proves". Extra points for nuance! Of course it's still rather blunt.
How about "suggests"?
Did NIST ever do an energetic analysis quantifying the energy necessary to pulverize the concrete and dismember and crush the steel bix columns? I didn't think so.
Mr. Kyte, I didn't say anything about Shyam Sunder in this thread. That was some other anonymous.
ReplyDeleteThanks for using the word "demonstrates" instead of "proves". Extra points for nuance! Of course it's still rather blunt.
How about "suggests"?
Did NIST ever do an energetic analysis quantifying the energy necessary to pulverize the concrete and dismember and crush the steel box columns? If they did, I don't think they published it.
Unfortunately, NIST's behavior in tossing its empirical studies of the truss-sag theory suggest that they tossed a lot of studies counterindicating their theories.
Is this the conference thats going to be in Pennsylvania in March? I think I'm going to try to go to it as its only about an hour and a half from me. I keep seeing these things in Vancouver and Toronto and New Zealand. Its nice to have something local.
ReplyDelete-Emory
"After way too many years on this stuff, I would be extremely grateful if some knowledgeable engineer would pat my silly little head and show me where I'm wrong so I can move on in my life. I have emailed a couple thousand college professors and I've never seen any indication that they can."
ReplyDeleteIt's because nobody cares about your insane beliefs, Brian. Professors are busy people who don't have time to respond to lunatics. I've explained this to you many times.
Also, you sent a "couple of thousand emails", Brian?
Please, seek professional help.
What paul w. said.
Poo-day for Payday
ReplyDeletePoo-pay for Payday
ReplyDelete"...the six second collapse of the front wall" HaHaHaHaHaHa...is Shyte at the moldy crack again? Hey Shyte,after saving up for your bus ride to Pennsylvania to have your ass handed to you by "truthers",why don't you take advantage of the Medicaid program and have your head examined.
ReplyDeleteMr. Kyte, I didn't say anything about Shyam Sunder in this thread. That was some other anonymous.
ReplyDeleteThen pick a fucking name, and you won't have that problem anymore.
"..the six second collapse of the front wall".Sure,Chief,it's so obvious,just look at the video.HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa R.I.P. Whining Dogs of the Lunatic Debunker Cult+Nico Haupt.
ReplyDelete"Whining Dogs of the Lunatic Debunker Cult"
ReplyDeleteLather.
Rinse.
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Get sucked down into a the black hole of truther insanity.
And then Shyte referred to the "six second collapse of the front wall".HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa! Funny how cheap tents fold in a light wind,ain't it!
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ReplyDeleteAnd then Shyte referred to the "six second collapse of the front wall".I mean,that one is beyond priceless! Boy,when a liberal Democrat from Abandoned Buildings,Michigan folds his tent he folds it with a bang,not a whimper!!
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry... what?
ReplyDeleteIn case you missed it Bilbo,the liberal Democrat from Tommy Hearns' neck of the woods took another look at #7 falling neatly into a pile and claimed he could break it down like a madcap Nazi scientist.He saw the North face of the building "collapsing" in six seconds.No word on what he saw the West face of the bulding doing, or any other side for that matter! Oh well,we knew that boy was going to crash mightily at some point,so.......The Debunker Cult:"We make it up as we go along and DAMN THE TORPEDOES,FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!"
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