MP3 of Rob Bishop Show Debate with Jason Bermas Available

Thanks to Rob and his producer Mike Chambers for putting this on the web. (Best way to listen is to right click and "save target as", then open up the MP3).

Corrections: Both Rob & Jason insist that a fireball could not have injured the man Willie Rodriguez saw. They should be aware that Willie himself has said it was a fireball on several occasions:

To NIST:

What happened was the ball of fire went down with such a force down the elevator shaft on the 58th (50A) – freight elevator, the biggest freight elevator that we have in the North Tower, it went out with such a force that it broke the cables. It went down, I think seven flights. The person survived because he was pulled from the B3 level. But this person, being in front of the doors waiting for the elevator, practically got his skin vaporized."

To CNN on the one-year anniversary:

“And at that terrible day when I took people out of the office, one of them totally burned because he was standing in front of the freight elevator and the ball of fire came down the duct of the elevator itself, I put him on the ambulance.”

Hat Tip on Willie to Mark Roberts' amazing 120-page discussion refuting many of Willie's more recent claims.

At about 40:23 Jason says that the satellite images show temperatures in excess of 2000 degrees. Cooperative Research, which is a conspiracy theory website has those images, but here's what they say:

Analysis of the data it collects indicates temperatures at Ground Zero of above 800 degrees Fahrenheit, with some areas above 1,300 degrees. On September 16, dozens of “hot spots” are seen, but by September 23, only four or five remain.

Further backup for my point that if there were pools of molten metal, those pools were certainly not molten steel, which would require a temperature in excesss of 2800 degrees.

At 52:16 or so, Rob plays a Tony Snow clip about the "Office of Homeland Defense" making it clear that he finds it very suspicious that there was such an office prior to 9-11. Of course, the Office of Homeland Defense is not the same thing as the Office of Homeland Security, and in fact had been proposed and created by the Clinton Administration under William Cohen:

What happens if a terrorist sarin gas attack occurs in New York or Washington or Los Angeles -- or all three at once? Who is to respond?

Defense Secretary William S. Cohen asked these questions Oct. 2 [2000] in a speech to the Center for Strategic and International Studies here. The answer, he said, is the Department of Defense.

Cohen said when he first proposed formation of a "commander-in-chief for homeland defense" the idea was controversial. "Immediately there were questions being raised as to whether or not this would intrude upon the constitutional prohibitions of getting our military involved in domestic affairs," he said.

And the concept of a cabinet level agency had been proposed several months before by a government panel headed by Gary Hart and Warren Rudman:

One striking recommendation: Convert the Federal Emergency Management Agency into a "National Homeland Security Agency." The new agency would be chartered in law to provide a focal point for government response in "all natural and man-made crisis and emergency planning scenarios."

The NHSA director would enjoy Cabinet rank, undergo Senate confirmation, and serve as an advisor to the National Security Council--as is the case today with the director of central intelligence. The panel believes the proposed structure would ensure that one person is accountable to the President for homeland defense policy-making and implementation.

So the notion that this was some super-secret agency and Tony Snow accidentally let the cat out of the bag is ridiculous. It's another one of our Merry Pason confessions.

9-11 Booger Reviews Last Night's Debate

Man, he remembers some stuff that I completely forgot! ;)

Pat pointed out that the 9/11 Truth Movement has inexplicably argued against its own controlled demolition theory for years.

"The CBS video demonstrates that internal collapses were taking place in WTC 7 before the entire structure fell. The 9/11 Truth Movement could have argued that bombs were going off inside of WTC 7 to weaken the structure so structure collapse could take place, just like internal explosives are set off to cause a structure collapse in real controlled demolitions. Instead, they adamantly argue that no internal collapse took place before the building collapsed. Isn't that strange?"

Kudos to BJE and all the others who participated in the very lively chatroom for the show!

Rob Bishop, Jason Bermas Debriefing

Dylan ended up not doing the show, which wasn't all that surprising. For whatever reason he does not seem to enjoy the debate format, and Jason does, so it's no big deal; I would have accepted the challenge to debate Jason in the first place and it's certainly better than taking on both of them.

Rob was certainly not impartial but he was fair and gave me adequate time to give my responses. I would recommend his show to anybody who's prepared; you will not get cheated. And Jason was cordial while representing his side well; Dylan should definitely consider bringing him on The View.

About the only subject that I didn't have a comeback for was the temperature in the pile as revealed by satellite imaging. I suspect that the answer is that the pile had lots and lots of flammable material inside it, and also had a ready supply of air from underneath via the Path and subways, making the whole pile effectively a charcoal grille.

Update: Excellent explanation here. I'll confess, I got cocky after the first several sets of questions did not seem difficult. I should have remembered to check Debunking 911 and 911 Myths.

The Brawl on the Phone Call: SLC Versus LC Friday Night

(Bumped to top for Friday, scroll down for new posts.)

I have agreed to debate Dylan Avery on Rob Bishop's show tonight (Update: Friday Night) at 8:00 PM Eastern time. I don't generally agree to requests from "Truther" Radio programs because I don't think I'm hitting my target audience. It's somewhat like debating the evolution side at the Southern Baptist Convention, but I decided to try it because Rob was very courteous in his email correspondence with me. You can listen in live here and there is also a call-in number.

Update: Program rescheduled for Friday at 8:00 PM Eastern.