Saturday, May 13, 2006

The Infinite Expandability of the Conspiracy

When the Loose Change producers are on the road, they get hit with the same questions over and over again; as a result they have become skilled at answering those particular questions.

For example, in Oakland the other day, the first question asked is on the size of the conspiracy:

Q. My question is, and this is what people ask me when I try to talk about it, at least dozens if not hundreds of people had to have been involved in this whole coverup and the investigation today, and why at some point there would be somebody who would come forward over time and tell the truth. And has it happened, is it happening, or do you think it's just a matter of time?

A (Bermas): Well, I think there are a lot of whistle-blowers out there; check out Robert Wright (sp?), Calvin Rowley (sp?) Sybil Edmonds (sp?), all pointing to some sort of coverup. But at the same time, you really wouldn't need that many people. We come at it from the perspective that there's so much compartmentalization in the government and the military that these war games were a great cover for what they did. A lot of the people that actually this probably did it unconsciously, for instance the (workers?) at the FAA, having to work with 20 plus blips interjected on the screen at the same time as the hijackers so it's going to be hard for them to figure out at the same time which ones are real and which ones aren't. That's kind of where I come from.


This of course is intended to address one of the more obvious flaws in the conspiracy theory proposed by Loose Change: that a lot of people could never keep a secret like this under wraps for long.

But do they really believe in a compact group of plotters and coverup artists? No, because the group is infinitely expandable. Benjamin Chertoff writes an article for Popular Mechanics debunking many of the conspiracy theories. So the CT group claims (falsely) that he's a close relative of Michael Chertoff, head of Homeland Security. Of course, what are they really doing? They're adding Benjamin (and presumably Michael) to the coverup team.

Van Romero is a perfect example of this in the movie. At 36:22, Avery notes:

Van Romero. Vice President for Research at New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology. "My opinion is, based on the videotapes, after the airplanes hit the World Trade Centerthere were some explosive devices inside that caused the towers to collapse. The collapses were too methodical to be a chance result of airplanes colliding with the structures."

Ten days later. "Certainly the fire is what caused the building to fail."

Why would Romero change his mind so suddenly?


The answer, to the conspiracy theorist, is that he was bought off. In other words, that he is now part of the coverup.

Indeed, if you look at the debunkings, there are a heck of a lot of people who also must be involved in the coverup. Regarding the Pentagon crash, Popular Mechanics says:

FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

So now Mr Kilsheimer also "must" be part of the coverup, since we all know from Loose Change that no plane actually hit the Pentagon, and that there was no tail section or black box or uniforms or body parts.

And so the conspiracy is infinitely expandable. Do you believe, as do many 9-11 "Truth" movement members that the 9-11 Commission was a whitewash? Then add the names of all the 9-11 Commission members to the coverup, including Democrats like Richard Ben-Veniste and Jamie Gorelick. NIST report fails to indicate controlled demolition of the WTC towers? Another part of the conspiracy.

So don't believe the Loose Change Losers when they tell you that their theory requires only a few conspirators.

15 Comments:

At 13 May, 2006 10:18, Blogger nesNYC said...

The mechanics of 9/11 could have been pulled off by a select few. Possible a few hundred as stated by Avery. The highest levels of military and the current administration is full of these criminals. How hard was it to get Rove to finally rat out Bush? Oh, but that was a "conspiracy" theory not so long ago.

Fully 2 TRILLION dollars went missing from the Pentagon in a time frame shortly before 9/11. That money could buy a lot of silence and comfortable living for those involved. And guess who was head? Non other than Neocon sympathizer/collaborator Dov Zakheim. Follow the money for Pete's sake.

 
At 13 May, 2006 10:24, Blogger roger_sq said...

" And so the conspiracy is infinitely expandable. Do you believe, as do many 9-11 "Truth" movement members that the 9-11 Commission was a whitewash? Then add the names of all the 9-11 Commission members to the coverup, including Democrats like Richard Ben-Veniste and Jamie Gorelick. NIST report fails to indicate controlled demolition of the WTC towers? Another part of the conspiracy."

This really isn't a Republican/Democrat issue. If you notice, beyond the traditional rhetoric, the Democrats voted for the invasion of Iraq, and Afghanistan, and the Patriot Act. Campaign and lobby reform is routinely killed in bipartisan fashion, military and government expenditures spiral with support from both parties. Despite one side adopting a philosophical stance which appeals to a given constituency, the practical outcome of a two party system appears to be a one party system.

This was so painfully apparent in the 2004 elections, where both sides had to resort to digging up 30 year old dirt on one another & centering on the most irrelevent but ideologically charged campaign "issues" (gay marriage, the quintessential conflict of our times...) because, materially, there was almost no difference between the actions of the candidates.

I realize there are a large number of people who still believe Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK all on his own. In fact several blogs denouncing 9/11 theories draw a direct parallel to 'those types' who are always looking for a sinister explanation for things.

A large body of scientific analysis has offered serious doubt as to the likelihood of the Warren Commission's conclusions.

I mention this, because it appears to be a fundamental aspect of how individuals process information. Some are prone to accept what they are told by authorities, and defend it vehemously and in the face of any and all contradictory evidence. Others question what they are told by authorities, and ultimately refute even scientific evidence to the contrary.

In either case, the perception of what is valid and what is to be discarded appears to be a priori; that it takes enormous evidence to the contrary to shift one's predilection one way or another.

Note that, despite full public disclosure that Richard Nixon was undermining democracy by orchestrating burglaries from the oval office, his approval ratings never fell below 25%. Which implies that 1 in 4 Americans at the time were of the mindset that Watergate was acceptable behavior in the broader context of the philosophies which were embodied by that administration.

So it is hardly suprising that a large contingent of the public will never accept anything but the official story, rather than question the faulty premise of their allegiences.

 
At 13 May, 2006 10:27, Blogger James B. said...

Fully 2 TRILLION dollars went missing from the Pentagon in a time frame shortly before 9/11.

Huh? The entire pentagon budget at the time was less than $400 billion. Somehow I think someone would have noticed if they lost 5 times that amount.

 
At 13 May, 2006 10:31, Blogger nesNYC said...

Absolutely Roger. I'm still in awe that so many people have been brainwashed by the 9/11 committee as actually being a real investigation. All one has to do is look at the first choice to head that committee and see the wheels of deception turning. As is common knowledge, CFR/Illuminati, Kissinger was first choice.

 
At 13 May, 2006 10:34, Blogger nesNYC said...

James B. believe me THEY NOTICED on Sept. 10. How convenient for the perpetrators that 9/11 happened and took the headlines.

 
At 13 May, 2006 11:17, Blogger Pat said...

Yes, Donald Rumsfeld himself announced it on 9-10, and so to distract attention they had 9-11?

You know, there was sort of an easier way of not drawing attention to all that missing money: Not to announce it in the first place! But that dummy Rumsfeld had to blow the scheme with his loose mouth.

As for the $2.3 trillion estimate, although it is not clear from the stories, that is over a long period of time. I'm not sure exactly how long, but I suspect it's longer than 30 years. As James pointed out, the entire defense budget only recently exceeded $400 billion, and Rumsfeld had been in charge of the Pentagon at the time for what--less than 8 months. Even if you argue that he blew every penny of the defense budget that year (an absurd proposition), you're only about 1/6th of the way to the $2.3 trillion that Rumsfeld did indeed cite. Obvious conclusion: That the bulk of the money was spent during previous things.

 
At 13 May, 2006 11:20, Blogger roger_sq said...

"As is common knowledge, CFR/Illuminati, Kissinger was first choice."

I am not sure what the "Illuminati" is, although I am a big fan of Robert Anton Wilson's fiction. Marvelous sense of humor.

SiInce you brought it up- an interesting coincidence, what the big story WOULD have been on September 11th, here's the lead story in the Washington Post that day, though Kissinger was quick to appear at Ground Zero within hours and give a speech, to the effect of how the act clearly proves that there is evil in the world from which the masses must be protected by their fearless leaders-

www.ratical.org/ratville/KHsuedOn911.pdf

Note that Kissinger cited a "conflict of interest" for refusing to head the commission. He never mentioned whose interest he would be compromising by invetigating a freelance act of Al Qaeda terrorists, or how such a conflict could conceivably arise. Unless his business indirectly represented Al Qaeda, which is of course preposterous. But that was his claim at the time, not mine.

 
At 13 May, 2006 11:31, Blogger nesNYC said...

Yes, Donald Rumsfeld himself announced it on 9-10, and so to distract attention they had 9-11?

This information was too hot to handle and most likely could not be suppressed as you think it should have. The perps of 9/11 are the "Regan 2" people or specifically the Neocons who headed PNAC and YES, they have been looting the Pentagon regularly since world war 2 preparing their militarized form of government. You could say that the timing of the release of this information was controlled so as to escape close scrutiny. The decided to disclose on 9/10 knowing it would all blow over because of September 11. On another level, it shows deep complicity in the highest ranks of military and government.

Missing the point.

 
At 13 May, 2006 11:38, Blogger nesNYC said...

I am not sure what the "Illuminati" is, although I am a big fan of Robert Anton Wilson's fiction. Marvelous sense of humor.

The Illuminati are ultimately the parasites that feed on the rest of us but would be beyond the scope of this blog. I suggest you check out this video to fully comprehend this intertwined and interbreed group of rulers that is right now in the last stages of setting up global government and finally destroying the US.

The Illuminati part 1of 2

The Illuminati part 2 of 2

 
At 13 May, 2006 11:39, Blogger Pat said...

Yes and the coverup worked so well that the CBS Evening News had a show on four months later repeating the whole story of the missing $2.3 trillion.

 
At 13 May, 2006 12:02, Blogger nesNYC said...

Yes and the coverup worked so well that the CBS Evening News had a show on four months later repeating the whole story of the missing $2.3 trillion.

Right! I tell many people this FACT and they deny it as the first respondent did. Basically, the story did blow over as planned and did not generate the amount of scrutiny it should have. Where were the congressional investigations to this? Were oversight procedures changed? A story on a website doesn't do much for us right? That was the intent on releasing the info on 9/10 and it worked to a tee.

 
At 13 May, 2006 12:26, Blogger roger_sq said...

"The Illuminati are ultimately the parasites that feed on the rest of us but would be beyond the scope of this blog."

Sorry, I was being somewhat facetious. Since there is no organization I am aware of, nor self-declared members of, an institution known as the Illuminati, I find it to be a useless description that welcomes gross generalizations such as yours above. To apply a universal motive and association to all the people who have risen to power is paranoid. To assume people at the highest levels of power often align their motives with others of equal power is a foregone conclusion.

That said, the blanket assertion that the controllers of the world economy are feeding "off the rest of us" depends a lot on who "us" is. To incorporate a previous accusation for illustrative purposes- the 2 trillion dollars 'missing' from the pentagon, along with the other 7 trillion debited from future earnings of the citizenry, is spent. While the top 1% of Americans possess more wealth than the lower 90% combined, the lower 90% have a standard of living above and beyond 9/10ths of the world's population. This is largely due to the economic supremecy of the system which was allegedly masterminded to control the nation and everyone in it. In short, you are as much a recipient of the dirty dealings of 'The Illuminati" as I am. Unless you are posting from your tin shack in Haiti, in which case, my apolgies.

 
At 13 May, 2006 13:03, Blogger nesNYC said...

While the top 1% of Americans possess more wealth than the lower 90% combined, the lower 90% have a standard of living above and beyond 9/10ths of the world's population.

You won't be saying this in a few years time. "They" hate this fact and is why America is planned for destruction and turned into an ordinary banana republic. How many jobs are out sourced to India yearly? How much faster is China's slave economy growing? That's all planned by that top 1% you speak about and many of their members are of the "Royal" bloodlines.

The US became a great Nation because the rights of the individual were somewhat protected by the Constitution. However with all the "Patriot acts" and various police state measures and economic degradation, the good old days are numbered.

 
At 14 May, 2006 13:19, Blogger Major Combs said...

When you poke at one of these conspiracy theories, the depth of paranoia released is hard to fathom. Every time I convince myself of the basic rationality of humankind, I read blog comments by conspiracy theorists and wonder what dark recesses of the human mind dictate that their lives are spent being powerless victims of the mighty.

 
At 04 June, 2006 11:33, Blogger Falco98 said...

actually nesync and roger, you guys are completely right. it was a big coverup. how do i know the buildings were wired with explosives?

I did it.
It only took me a month to do both buildings; i used my insane ninja skills to elude guards, bomb sniffing dogs, and janitors as I wired both buildings with C4 (I had to use the entire stockpiles of 3 large explosives manufacturers, but I did it).

And you're right that there were no terrorists on those planes. How do i know? I flew them. All three of them, in fact. Now I know you'll object to me saying that 3 of the 4 planes were real, but I know it, and there were no terrorists on board. I flew the first flight into the north tower, after having secretly parachuted all the passengers out over a secret military installation in up-state NY, where they remain to this day, and I parachuted out just before impact. I then ran at near light-speed to the nearest airport, where the second flight had been landed and deboarded especially for me, boarded it, and flew it into the south tower, again parachuting out just before impact.

Then using my insane ninja skills again I boarded yet another plane, which was really a hyper-ultra military drone complete with a stockpile of missiles, and DNA samples from 68 civilians who were "supposed" to be on that flight, but who are actually currently living in a matrix-like coma in a secret alien lab in Columbus, Ohio. I fired a missile into the pentagon (a specially designed missile which would impact the outer wall, detonate, but also penetrate into the inner rings, detonating again, and punching finally into the innermost ring, while at the same time shedding "decoy" airliner parts and human remains). Then to cover up the fact that I was in a plane capable of firing missiles, I crashed it at full-speed into an old landfill in Shanksville, PA, again parachuting out just before impact (man those parachutes are handy things!)

Just keep quiet about it, I don't want anyone to catch onto my one-man conspiracy here...

 

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