Saturday, December 31, 2016

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(Note: The date on this post is intentional; it keeps this post pinned to the top. Thanks for asking!).

11/11/07 Update: Loose Change Final Cut has just been released and so we have not prepared a full debunking. Both James and I have many comments about the movie below and I started a thread over at JREF with some examples of mistakes in the film. Much of the rest of the information in this particular post concerns the earlier versions of Loose Change.

Because this blog is getting so much traffic from Google searches and referrals from various forums and Wikipedia, we decided to put one post up top to link to information our newest visitors are apparently looking for.

First, if you have not seen the film and want to watch it, be sure to watch the annotated version, which was named after this blog, Screw Loose Change. The creator did a terrific job on this, and we strongly recommend watching this version rather than Dylan Avery's cut.

James has put together a list of major lies in Loose Change. Here's Part 1. Part 2. Part 3. Part 4.

I compiled three very easily refuted lies in the movie. I also showed three tricks and distortions that are used throughout the film.

A friend of the blog named Mark Roberts (aka Gravy at the JREF forums) compiled this amazing Viewer's Guide to Loose Change, (now HTML) which includes a complete transcript of the movie, pictures and links that refute many of the claims, and which highlights the changes between Version 1 and Version 2.

The hot new film in 9-11 Denial is called 9-11 Mysteries. One of our JREF buddies, The Doc, has put together a rebuttal video called (you guessed it!) Screw 9-11 Mysteries, and assembled a viewers' guide to 9-11 Mysteries.

Many 9-11 Deniers focus on the collapse of World Trade Center 7, which fell at 5:20 PM on September 11, almost seven hours after the North Tower. If you want a really detailed analysis of WTC 7, I recommend Mark Robert's WTC 7 and the Lies of the 9/11 Truth Movement. I also recommend the BBC's terrific video on The Third Tower.

If you'd like to discuss the ideas about 9-11 you've encountered here or elsewhere, another friend of the blog started a Screw Loose Change Forum. It's a very lively place with lots of opinion back and forth between both sides. There's also a Screw Loose Change MySpace page, with some animated commentary. Of course, we also welcome comments on our posts.

If you're looking for detailed rebuttals of other aspects of 9-11 Denial, I heartily recommend 9-11 Myths, Debunking 9-11 and Internet Detectives.

Markyx has also put together a video (note: graphic images and strong language) called 9-11 Deniers Speak. If you think Dylan Avery and Jim Fetzer have any respect for the victims of 9-11, just watch this film. There are five parts. Part II, Part III, Part IV, Part V.
There's also a Google Video which is all in one part.

This should be enough to get you started debunking Loose Change to your friends. We have a lot more content below this post.

Notes on unusual terms/abbreviations: Looser (not a misspelling of Loser)=Believer in Loose Change. CT=Conspiracy Theory, Conspiracy Theorist. Truther=9-11 Conspiracy Theorist (all Loosers are Truthers, not all Truthers are Loosers). OS=Official Story. CD= Controlled Demoliton. LIHOP: Let It Happen On Purpose; theory that the government knew the 9-11 attacks were coming but allowed them to happen to further other goals of theirs. MIHOP: Made It Happen On Purpose; theory that the government planned and orchestrated the attacks. Most Truthers are MIHOP.

Update: Comments closed on this post, which is intended solely as a pointer. Because Haloscan will not let us close comments on a particular post, be forewarned: Don't leave a comment in this post or it will be deleted.

Update II: Note on comments: Because some of our commenters have chosen to act like children, we are no longer allowing comments.

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Saturday, November 21, 2015

Boston Globe Did the Unthinkable?

That's Box Boy Gage's headline on a recent post at 9-11 Flogger, followed by the thrilled mention that the unthinkable was that the Globe gave them some "ink".  No surprise, what Gage only hints at is that the ink was dipped in with a poison pen:

It’s hard to understand how Asner, an early 9/11 “truther” who has suggested that investors profited from 9/11, or the running gag line that is Geraldo Rivera, also featured in the video, add to the group’s credibility. “We’re not using Geraldo for our credibility,” Gage told me, “We’re using our appearance on mainstream media [Fox News] to gain credit for our cause.”
Credit/credibility; potato potahto.  What Gage won't or can't admit is that his appearance on Whorealdo didn't give him any credit; it just removed any last shred of credit that Rivera had remaining after the Secrets of Al Capone's Vault.

Friday, October 23, 2015

Interview With a Survivor

Our Italian debunking buddies interview a man who was visiting the 64th floor of the South Tower when the first plane hit, and in the stairwell when the second plane hit his building.  Some interesting details about the security situation:
When you go through the lobby you had to get your picture taken and they were giving you a card with your picture and the date and what floors you were supposed to be on, with that card you could go to the elevators and go to whatever floor you were designated to. They really had good security at the World Trade Center. I went up to the 64th floor of the South Tower, I talked to the receptionist and she brought me to the conference room where my meeting was meant to begin at 8 o'clock, I think we started a little bit late like 8:05.
Unlikely to convince the Troofers that security was too tight for their fanciful thermite emplacement, but then again nothing is going to sway them.

Wednesday, September 16, 2015

Sad, Pathetic, Lonely Lives....

Obviously a cheerful article on the Truthers:

He sighed and said no one in his family shared his understanding of 9/11, nor did any of his friends. “I basically can’t talk about it.”
I asked what it’s like for him to be the only person he knows who thinks this way. He paused for a long time and began to tear up.
“I would say it’s really lonely.”
And Bob McIlvaine:

“It’s brutal. I will never volunteer to talk about it,” Mcllvaine said. “In my circles, people ignore it. It’s like I’m a leper. I don’t see many people anymore.” He says his wife supports him, but doesn’t want to talk about how Bobby died. She says it doesn’t matter, even if his theories are true, because it won’t bring her son back. “If she started talking about that she wouldn’t have any friends.”
Who wouldn't want to be a Truther?

 One item of interest:

 Near the end of our conversation, even Gage confessed he misses his life before 9/11 Truth.
“It is tiring after nine years, I have to say,” he said. “I am an architect, I’d rather be practicing architecture. I’ve been full time as a 9/11 Truth activist for five years and I’m looking forward to going back to architecture. I make more money, I have more fun.”
Italics added for emphasis.  Not sure if he's throwing in the towel or not; he goes on to say. "But the future of my country is at stake," which could certainly be interpreted as meaning that he can't give up the fight.

Friday, July 17, 2015

Gold to Chomsky: Yes, I'm a Kook, But You Don't Have to Be

Jon posts his correspondence with the Noamster over at Flogger.  As usual, he starts out Mr I Just Have Questions:

Again, I'm not going to talk to you about theories. I want to primarily talk about how important it is to acknowledge that we were lied to about 9/11, and how important it is for those with a voice to do their best to inform the public of that.
 But it's not long before he gets into the kookery:
It's not about proving that the Government did it. Unfortunately, there is information that exists out there that suggests such a thing. I didn't create this information out of thin air. It is not a figment of my imagination.
 No, it's largely a figment of the imagination of Nico Haupt, Rosalee Grable, and all the other original researchers who came up with this crap.  Gold has contributed nothing to the movement but his creation of the "limited hangout" where one pretends not to be a conspiracy theorist while really being a CT nutbar inside.

Wednesday, May 20, 2015

But Of Course....

The ONI released a bunch of information on Bin Laden's compound today, including a list of books that were found, some of them, not so surprising:

The release shows that the 9/11 mastermind was an avid reader of conspiracy theory books, with titles including: Bloodlines of the Illuminati by right-wing author Fritz Springmeier; The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11 by the 9/11 truther David Ray Griffin; Conspirators' Hierarchy: The Committee of 300 by John Coleman; and The Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins, an anti-Semitic writer.

Although reading someone who claims he didn't do what he did must have presented some interesting existential questions, as well as bringing to mind the classic Onion video.

Sunday, May 17, 2015

AE911 Truth Fails, Again

The Troofers were all excited that they got a vote held at the Americans Institute of Architects annual meeting, unfortunately it failed by the overwhelming vote of 3,892 to 160.  AE911 Truth claims over 100 of their members are in the AIA, which means that they barely managed to get votes from any  other architects at all.