Saturday, December 31, 2016

Permanent Top Post--Scroll Down for Newer Posts

(Note: The date on this post is intentional; it keeps this post pinned to the top. Thanks for asking!).

11/11/07 Update: Loose Change Final Cut has just been released and so we have not prepared a full debunking. Both James and I have many comments about the movie below and I started a thread over at JREF with some examples of mistakes in the film. Much of the rest of the information in this particular post concerns the earlier versions of Loose Change.

Because this blog is getting so much traffic from Google searches and referrals from various forums and Wikipedia, we decided to put one post up top to link to information our newest visitors are apparently looking for.

First, if you have not seen the film and want to watch it, be sure to watch the annotated version, which was named after this blog, Screw Loose Change. The creator did a terrific job on this, and we strongly recommend watching this version rather than Dylan Avery's cut.

James has put together a list of major lies in Loose Change. Here's Part 1. Part 2. Part 3. Part 4.

I compiled three very easily refuted lies in the movie. I also showed three tricks and distortions that are used throughout the film.

A friend of the blog named Mark Roberts (aka Gravy at the JREF forums) compiled this amazing Viewer's Guide to Loose Change, (now HTML) which includes a complete transcript of the movie, pictures and links that refute many of the claims, and which highlights the changes between Version 1 and Version 2.

The hot new film in 9-11 Denial is called 9-11 Mysteries. One of our JREF buddies, The Doc, has put together a rebuttal video called (you guessed it!) Screw 9-11 Mysteries, and assembled a viewers' guide to 9-11 Mysteries.

Many 9-11 Deniers focus on the collapse of World Trade Center 7, which fell at 5:20 PM on September 11, almost seven hours after the North Tower. If you want a really detailed analysis of WTC 7, I recommend Mark Robert's WTC 7 and the Lies of the 9/11 Truth Movement. I also recommend the BBC's terrific video on The Third Tower.

If you'd like to discuss the ideas about 9-11 you've encountered here or elsewhere, another friend of the blog started a Screw Loose Change Forum. It's a very lively place with lots of opinion back and forth between both sides. There's also a Screw Loose Change MySpace page, with some animated commentary. Of course, we also welcome comments on our posts.

If you're looking for detailed rebuttals of other aspects of 9-11 Denial, I heartily recommend 9-11 Myths, Debunking 9-11 and Internet Detectives.

Markyx has also put together a video (note: graphic images and strong language) called 9-11 Deniers Speak. If you think Dylan Avery and Jim Fetzer have any respect for the victims of 9-11, just watch this film. There are five parts. Part II, Part III, Part IV, Part V.
There's also a Google Video which is all in one part.

This should be enough to get you started debunking Loose Change to your friends. We have a lot more content below this post.

Notes on unusual terms/abbreviations: Looser (not a misspelling of Loser)=Believer in Loose Change. CT=Conspiracy Theory, Conspiracy Theorist. Truther=9-11 Conspiracy Theorist (all Loosers are Truthers, not all Truthers are Loosers). OS=Official Story. CD= Controlled Demoliton. LIHOP: Let It Happen On Purpose; theory that the government knew the 9-11 attacks were coming but allowed them to happen to further other goals of theirs. MIHOP: Made It Happen On Purpose; theory that the government planned and orchestrated the attacks. Most Truthers are MIHOP.

Update: Comments closed on this post, which is intended solely as a pointer. Because Haloscan will not let us close comments on a particular post, be forewarned: Don't leave a comment in this post or it will be deleted.

Update II: Note on comments: Because some of our commenters have chosen to act like children, we are no longer allowing comments.

Labels: , ,

Saturday, March 28, 2015

Neils Harrit Loses, Again

The Truther sites have been pretty quiet about it, I have only found a mention on a couple of Danish news sites, but it appears that Harrit lost his libel appeal against a journalist who called his beliefs the Danish equivalent of a crackpot. So go forward with the knowledge that from now on you may wander the small Scandinavian nation freely calling 9/11 conspiracy theories crackpot with impunity.

Monday, March 23, 2015

Niels Harrit in Court

The Truthers are all excited over Niels Harrit suing a Danish journalist for libel. By their accounts it is going, swimmingly.


Harrit referred to the historical court case against Galileo Galilei in 1633, where the accused was brought in front of the inquisition of the Roman Catholic Church and tortured until he renounced his belief that the earth rotated around the sun and acknowledged that the earth was the center of the universe.
When he concluded his procedure, there was no doubt that Dr. Harrit had made an impact upon the High Court. The three judges looked as if they approved the legal points he made, and both Villemoes and his lawyer appeared a bit shaken.
Who knows who will actually win, European libel laws are decidedly less liberal than in the US, but perhaps Harrit should note that unlike Galileo, he is not the defendant, he is the one doing the suing. Regardless a Danish skeptic had a rather less favorable report of the trial.
Harrit pointed to a Danish law against libel, §2672, and Article 10 in the European Human Rights Convention3 (on freedom of expression). He admitted to not being an expert on law, but made the argument that Villemoes had to produce evidence that he, Harrit, was a crackpot. Harrit proved himself right, when it came to him not having expertise in law:
Despite the judges being very lenient with him, he had to be schooled by the head judge on not to make his closing argument during his questioning of the witnesses. Later, she had to tell him not to badger the defendant, Søren Villemoes, while the latter was on the stand, being questioned by Harrit. Harrit would not be allowed to ask insinuating questions. 
Among other things, Harrit claimed that there had been no judicial or police investigation of the terror attacks. He did not mention the trial of Zacharias Moussaoui who was sentenced to life in prison for his role in the attacks, a trial that Harrit is fully aware of

Wednesday, February 18, 2015

Bits and Pieces

It's de minimus, but I can't help poking fun at the title of Jon Gold's post at 9-11flogger:

You Can’t Point A Finger At Saudi Arabia, And Not Have 5 Fingers Pointing Back To The U.S.

Yes, if you have seven fingers on that hand. Of course the classic quotation is that you can't point a finger at someone else and not have three fingers pointing back at you.

Fruitcake Fran Shure gets an overly credulous article published about her in the local shopper.  Love this intro:

Right after 9/11, I remember talking to my women’s group and saying I just don’t think this could have happened without someone knowing about it and allowing it to,” says Fran Shure. “It was totally intuitive, because I knew nothing.
 It's called Dunning-Kruger and it's nothing to be proud of, Fran.

Meanwhile, Tony Zamboni remembers seeing a documentary on the History Channel where Larry Silverstein admitted controlled demolition at WTC-7, and no, this is not the pull-it video:

Unlike other History series, "History's Business" episodes are not available to the public for purchase, nor can a complete listing of its past episodes be found on the Internet. In the interview we're searching for, Silverstein, whose Silverstein Properties owns WTC 7, was asked by the show's guest host, "What happened to 7?"

Silverstein's unforgettable reply: "Building 7 was a controlled demolition for safety reasons," according to an engineer who was watching the program that morning. Until that point, the engineer had been "perplexed as to why Building 7 had completely collapsed so quickly and so symmetrically." For that reason, Silverstein's answer is still emblazoned in his memory.
As you can see, AE 9-11 Troof takes this very seriously and is offering a $200 reward to anyone who can find the missing episode.  What a shame that VCRs weren't invented back in 2002 or 2003 or 2004 (years where Zamboni claims to remember the show). I'm going to take a wild guess that no tape will show up.  Indeed, the $200 reward would have to be increased to $2000 or more to make it worth somebody's time to dummy it up. 




Sunday, February 01, 2015

Another Truther Hero Reveals His Feet of Clay

James talked yesterday about Pete Carroll's foolish 9-11 ramblings from a couple years back, and how the Truthers at ASU revered him as a hero.  No surprise, today Carroll revealed that he is also an idiot in play selection.

I was watching the game and after the fantastic reception by Kearse, I turned to the guy next to me and said, "They'll give the ball to Lynch four times in a row if needed; no way Wilson throws another pass."  My prediction looked pretty solid when Marshawn took the ball down to the one on the initial play.

And even after the interception the game was not over, but then that #72 for Seattle encroached with New England up against the goal line.  That guy has been offsides so many times this postseason it's getting to be a joke--I think he was flagged on two consecutive plays in their first-round game.

Saturday, January 31, 2015

The Twelfth Man's Shame

Having grown up in Washington State, I've been a Seahawks fan since I was an infant. Unfortunately we have had to put up with our coach's ill-thought-out comments which have drawn truther interest.


Pete Carroll is a conspiracy theorist, at least that is how the conspiracy theory goes. And it is one that has gained the Seattle Seahawks coach an unlikely following from the "9/11 Truth" movement in the lead-up to his attempt to win back-to-back Super Bowls.
Two years ago, Carroll met with former Army chief of staff and four-star general Peter Chiarelli and, according to Deadspin citing "sources," brought up many popular conspiracy theories concerned with the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, on the World Trade Center and quizzed Chiarelli about their veracity.
Yeah, keep your silly speculation to yourself coach. Leave the super-sekrit-magico-nano-thermite to the Truthers. The only explosions that matter right now concern the Legion of Boom.




Update:

AE911Truth is latching on to this idiotic quote as part of a mailing campaign.  Of course they are missing the obvious difference, that deflating the footballs, if it even happened, would quite simply only require the cooperation of one or two people, quarterback Tom Brady and the equipment manager. Various permutations of Truther fantasies however require the complicity of the military, several intelligence agencies, the FBI, the NYPD, the Secret Service, dozens of explosives technicians, much of the media, NIST, Congress, various members of two presidential administrations and the terrorists themselves. In fact entire sections of the University of Phoenix stadium itself could be filled to capacity with the conspirators.


Saturday, January 17, 2015

A Reminder of What Rand Paul Will Have to Overcome

His dotty dad's website, for starters.  The Ron Paul Institute put up a post by 9-11 Truther Paul Craig Roberts suggesting that the Charlie Hebdo massacre was a false-flag operation:

The Charlie Hebdo affair has many of the characteristics of a false flag operation. The attack on the cartoonists’ office was a disciplined professional attack of the kind associated with highly trained special forces; yet the suspects who were later corralled and killed seemed bumbling and unprofessional. It is like two different sets of people.

Usually Muslim terrorists are prepared to die in the attack; yet the two professionals who hit Charlie Hebdo were determined to escape and succeeded, an amazing feat. Their identity was allegedly established by the claim that they conveniently left for the authorities their ID in the getaway car. Such a mistake is inconsistent with the professionalism of the attack and reminds me of the undamaged passport found miraculously among the ruins of the two WTC towers that served to establish the identity of the alleged 9/11 hijackers.
Of course, the miracle passport did nothing of the kind; it was merely one small bit of evidence in a much larger chain.

Lew Rockwell's website is amazed that the "neocons" are willing to throw Paul Craig Roberts under the bus:

As for the column run by RPI, it was written by Paul Craig Roberts, PCR is a  a former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury and former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. WSJ is, of course, considered by those in the know, the War Street Journal, i.e. an outlet controlled by the neocons. And PCR was an assistant Treasury Secretary during the period neocon favorite Ronald Reagan was president.
So what?  Roberts is a nut.  As a reminder, Barbara Honegger was in the Reagan Administration too; she's also flipped her lid (actually in her case she showed signs of being wacko beforehand).