Wednesday, December 31, 2014

Permanent Top Post--Scroll Down for Newer Posts

(Note: The date on this post is intentional; it keeps this post pinned to the top. Thanks for asking!).

11/11/07 Update: Loose Change Final Cut has just been released and so we have not prepared a full debunking. Both James and I have many comments about the movie below and I started a thread over at JREF with some examples of mistakes in the film. Much of the rest of the information in this particular post concerns the earlier versions of Loose Change.

Because this blog is getting so much traffic from Google searches and referrals from various forums and Wikipedia, we decided to put one post up top to link to information our newest visitors are apparently looking for.

First, if you have not seen the film and want to watch it, be sure to watch the annotated version, which was named after this blog, Screw Loose Change. The creator did a terrific job on this, and we strongly recommend watching this version rather than Dylan Avery's cut.

James has put together a list of major lies in Loose Change. Here's Part 1. Part 2. Part 3. Part 4.

I compiled three very easily refuted lies in the movie. I also showed three tricks and distortions that are used throughout the film.

A friend of the blog named Mark Roberts (aka Gravy at the JREF forums) compiled this amazing Viewer's Guide to Loose Change, (now HTML) which includes a complete transcript of the movie, pictures and links that refute many of the claims, and which highlights the changes between Version 1 and Version 2.

The hot new film in 9-11 Denial is called 9-11 Mysteries. One of our JREF buddies, The Doc, has put together a rebuttal video called (you guessed it!) Screw 9-11 Mysteries, and assembled a viewers' guide to 9-11 Mysteries.

Many 9-11 Deniers focus on the collapse of World Trade Center 7, which fell at 5:20 PM on September 11, almost seven hours after the North Tower. If you want a really detailed analysis of WTC 7, I recommend Mark Robert's WTC 7 and the Lies of the 9/11 Truth Movement. I also recommend the BBC's terrific video on The Third Tower.

If you'd like to discuss the ideas about 9-11 you've encountered here or elsewhere, another friend of the blog started a Screw Loose Change Forum. It's a very lively place with lots of opinion back and forth between both sides. There's also a Screw Loose Change MySpace page, with some animated commentary. Of course, we also welcome comments on our posts.

If you're looking for detailed rebuttals of other aspects of 9-11 Denial, I heartily recommend 9-11 Myths, Debunking 9-11 and Internet Detectives.

Markyx has also put together a video (note: graphic images and strong language) called 9-11 Deniers Speak. If you think Dylan Avery and Jim Fetzer have any respect for the victims of 9-11, just watch this film. There are five parts. Part II, Part III, Part IV, Part V.
There's also a Google Video which is all in one part.

This should be enough to get you started debunking Loose Change to your friends. We have a lot more content below this post.

Notes on unusual terms/abbreviations: Looser (not a misspelling of Loser)=Believer in Loose Change. CT=Conspiracy Theory, Conspiracy Theorist. Truther=9-11 Conspiracy Theorist (all Loosers are Truthers, not all Truthers are Loosers). OS=Official Story. CD= Controlled Demoliton. LIHOP: Let It Happen On Purpose; theory that the government knew the 9-11 attacks were coming but allowed them to happen to further other goals of theirs. MIHOP: Made It Happen On Purpose; theory that the government planned and orchestrated the attacks. Most Truthers are MIHOP.

Update: Comments closed on this post, which is intended solely as a pointer. Because Haloscan will not let us close comments on a particular post, be forewarned: Don't leave a comment in this post or it will be deleted.

Update II: Note on comments: Because some of our commenters have chosen to act like children, we are no longer allowing comments.

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Sunday, July 13, 2014

De Blasio: Truther Initiative Ridiculous, Insensitive and Inappropriate

Couldn't have put it better myself:

"I believe the City Council will share our view that this should never be on the ballot," he said, with Council Speaker Melissa Mark-Viverito nodding in agreement beside him.
 At this point, I'm kind of hoping that they get it on the ballot, so the voters can smack it down.  Or even that it passes and the Buildings Department just laughs and tells them to look at the NIST report.  No matter what happens the Truthers are going to lose out in the end, because they don't have a real case, just a bunch of crackpot conspiracy theories.

Saturday, July 05, 2014

NYC-CAN Submits 67000 Signatures

It's interesting that with paid signature gatherers and a much less-controversial measure this time around, they got 13,000 fewer John Hancocks than in 2009.  Of course, they're headed for another pie-in-the-face ending, but for now they're probably convincing themselves that the NY Buildings Department will somehow find that WTC-7 was a controlled demolition. 

Truckload of fail to follow.

Friday, June 27, 2014

Box Boy Considers Suing CNN

Of course, I doubt if he really will; it's far more likely that this is just another excuse to rattle the cup for donations:

Support AE911Truth's exploration into direct legal action against CNN. Our attorney has assured us that CNN has clearly stepped over the line in an act of slander, which carries legal ramifications. We need your financial support to hire the experts to enter into the exploratory stages of a lawsuit. This case could very well become the best opportunity yet to place the WTC evidence into the legal record through the discovery process and yield a dramatic win for 9/11 Truth over the entire mainstream media.
If your attorney has assured you that it was slander, why do you need to hire experts to enter into the exploratory stages of a lawsuit?

Wednesday, June 25, 2014

AE911Truth Threatens to Sue CNN

I got this in e-mail earlier today, referring to the story we discussed earlier where they were criticized by CNN.

With our usual grace, guts, and grit, we need to tell CNN how we feel!
 Please copy your letter before you hit the send button on CNN's website, and paste it in the box on the "Contact Us" link.
We'd like to compile your missives and display them with your name on our website. Support AE911Truth's exploration into direct legal action against CNN. Our attorney has assured us that CNN has clearly stepped over the line in an act of slander, which carries legal ramifications. We need your financial support to hire the experts to enter into the exploratory stages of a lawsuit. This case could very well become the best opportunity yet to place the WTC evidence into the legal record through the discovery process and yield a dramatic win for 9/11 Truth over the entire mainstream media. 

 Yeah, I'm hoping they do. Grab the popcorn and watch another idiotic Truther legal case go down in flames.

This Will Surely Break 9-11 Truth Into the Mainstream

How many times have we heard that before?  Four (or is it five?) Loose Change films, 9-11 Mysteries, Zero, the Core of Corruption, Blueprint for Destruction, Painful Deceptions... the list goes on and on.

I  love that bit about how the puffs of dust from the floors below the collapse wave was the easiest to spot.  I have discovered something amazing about my bicycle pump: when I push down on the handle, air comes out of the hose.  Must be a controlled demolition happening in there somewhere!

Anyway, this is being promoted by none other than Box Boy himself:

Gage claims that members of Architects and Engineers and Secretaries at Architectural Firms and Subscribers to Architectural Digest and Railroad Engineers for 9-11 Truth were interviewed for the film; just from the few clips I have seen it appears that Hooper snipped bits from Box Boy's Explosive Demolition.

He's apparently going with the big tent approach; he was interviewed by Kevin Barrett, who's mostly persona non grata with the supposedly responsible wing of the Truthers, although I don't know if they ever existed.  Not hard to see the part where the CT nutbars who support some alternative theory will latch onto to discredit him; early in the interview (4:20) he claims that his lifelong best friend is an FBI agent.

Friday, June 20, 2014


The Troofers hate it when we use this word, but it's not like insane or non compos is any gentler.  Anyway, one of my general tasks when I see a name as listed among the Troofer community that I have not seen before is to look them up for indications of insanity.

Susan Lindauer gets mentioned at the 9-11 rebunkers blog as  doing a radio show on some facebook project that says, I am the face of 9-11 Truth.  She also just happens to have beaten Sean Fitzgerald-- The guy who killed his father because he thought Daddy was the devil--when it comes to officially bonkers; she was found too wacky to stand trial not once, but twice:

Ms. Lindauer, who had been declared incompetent for trial by Judge Michael B. Mukasey, now the United States attorney general, tried to persuade a different judge that she was now competent.
But the second judge, Loretta A. Preska of Federal District Court, ruled late Monday that while Ms. Lindauer was “highly intelligent” and “generally capable of functioning at a high level in many ways,” she also was suffering from a mental disease or defect.
As a result, the judge said, Ms. Lindauer was “unable to understand the nature and consequences of the proceedings against her or to assist properly in her defense.”

The judge cited the testimony of a government psychiatrist who said that Ms. Lindauer claimed to have special powers and that she had indicated she once met with Osama bin Laden, who disclosed to her the location of a bomb. The judge said that demonstrated “a lack of connection with reality.”

Judge Preska also cited Ms. Lindauer’s behavior in court last year, when, after being admonished not to speak without first consulting with her lawyer, she stuffed tissues in her mouth. That was “not the response of someone rationally connected to the proceedings,” Judge Preska said.
 So today I'm looking at a rave review of 9-11 in the Academic Community and I start Googling the names of the folks involved and came across Barry Shainbaum.

Adnan Zuberi (BMath '10), Mike Bondi (BASc '94), Hadi Izadi (PhD '10, Electrical Engineering) and Barry Shainbaum (BSc '71) created the award-winning documentary film 9/11 in the Academic Community, which follows the academic discourse on the origins of the war on terror.

Yeah, Barry's got some issues:

One day at age 18, Barry was watching TV with his girlfriend when, out of the blue, he hallucinated that he was on the show. He’d been on TV before, but no, this wasn’t Tiny Talent Time. He fell into a catatonic state; he couldn’t talk.
This was the beginning.
No one could figure out what was wrong. There was a stay in a locked psychiatric ward. He’d swing between episodes of delusion and periods of focus and achievement.
In his 20s, while at university, he was driving to an appointment when he hallucinated he was a cop. He actually got the car in front of him to pull over and the woman in it to produce her driver’s licence. He was wearing an orange tank top and cut-off shorts.
Barry let her go with a warning, then drove himself to his psychiatrist’s office, where he talked unstoppably.
The point is not to laugh at these folks for their mental health issues, but to note that they do exist and that they make up a very high percentage of the movement. 

Sunday, June 08, 2014

Math is Hard

I got an e-mail yesterday from the AE911Truth jokers. Yeah, somehow I ended up on their mailing list.

Dear Supporter,
 I look at what the High-Rise Safety Initiative has already accomplished since they launched their petition drive last month, and I am in awe! In just five weeks they have collected nearly 35,000 signatures from NYC voters, and they are currently on pace to reach their goal of 70,000 by the end of June.

Hmm, it has been a while since I took algebra in 7th grade, but if they have collected under 35,000 signatures in 5 weeks, and there are just over 3 weeks left until the end of June, in what mathematical system are they "on pace" to reach their goal of 70,000?

And they want us to believe in their scientific acumen...