Wednesday, December 31, 2014

Permanent Top Post--Scroll Down for Newer Posts

(Note: The date on this post is intentional; it keeps this post pinned to the top. Thanks for asking!).

11/11/07 Update: Loose Change Final Cut has just been released and so we have not prepared a full debunking. Both James and I have many comments about the movie below and I started a thread over at JREF with some examples of mistakes in the film. Much of the rest of the information in this particular post concerns the earlier versions of Loose Change.

Because this blog is getting so much traffic from Google searches and referrals from various forums and Wikipedia, we decided to put one post up top to link to information our newest visitors are apparently looking for.

First, if you have not seen the film and want to watch it, be sure to watch the annotated version, which was named after this blog, Screw Loose Change. The creator did a terrific job on this, and we strongly recommend watching this version rather than Dylan Avery's cut.

James has put together a list of major lies in Loose Change. Here's Part 1. Part 2. Part 3. Part 4.

I compiled three very easily refuted lies in the movie. I also showed three tricks and distortions that are used throughout the film.

A friend of the blog named Mark Roberts (aka Gravy at the JREF forums) compiled this amazing Viewer's Guide to Loose Change, (now HTML) which includes a complete transcript of the movie, pictures and links that refute many of the claims, and which highlights the changes between Version 1 and Version 2.

The hot new film in 9-11 Denial is called 9-11 Mysteries. One of our JREF buddies, The Doc, has put together a rebuttal video called (you guessed it!) Screw 9-11 Mysteries, and assembled a viewers' guide to 9-11 Mysteries.

Many 9-11 Deniers focus on the collapse of World Trade Center 7, which fell at 5:20 PM on September 11, almost seven hours after the North Tower. If you want a really detailed analysis of WTC 7, I recommend Mark Robert's WTC 7 and the Lies of the 9/11 Truth Movement. I also recommend the BBC's terrific video on The Third Tower.

If you'd like to discuss the ideas about 9-11 you've encountered here or elsewhere, another friend of the blog started a Screw Loose Change Forum. It's a very lively place with lots of opinion back and forth between both sides. There's also a Screw Loose Change MySpace page, with some animated commentary. Of course, we also welcome comments on our posts.

If you're looking for detailed rebuttals of other aspects of 9-11 Denial, I heartily recommend 9-11 Myths, Debunking 9-11 and Internet Detectives.

Markyx has also put together a video (note: graphic images and strong language) called 9-11 Deniers Speak. If you think Dylan Avery and Jim Fetzer have any respect for the victims of 9-11, just watch this film. There are five parts. Part II, Part III, Part IV, Part V.
There's also a Google Video which is all in one part.

This should be enough to get you started debunking Loose Change to your friends. We have a lot more content below this post.

Notes on unusual terms/abbreviations: Looser (not a misspelling of Loser)=Believer in Loose Change. CT=Conspiracy Theory, Conspiracy Theorist. Truther=9-11 Conspiracy Theorist (all Loosers are Truthers, not all Truthers are Loosers). OS=Official Story. CD= Controlled Demoliton. LIHOP: Let It Happen On Purpose; theory that the government knew the 9-11 attacks were coming but allowed them to happen to further other goals of theirs. MIHOP: Made It Happen On Purpose; theory that the government planned and orchestrated the attacks. Most Truthers are MIHOP.

Update: Comments closed on this post, which is intended solely as a pointer. Because Haloscan will not let us close comments on a particular post, be forewarned: Don't leave a comment in this post or it will be deleted.

Update II: Note on comments: Because some of our commenters have chosen to act like children, we are no longer allowing comments.

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Saturday, October 11, 2014

Terrific Interview With Brett Blanchard

For a change, there has been some US  news involving the 9-11 nutbars, so I have been a little late in linking this excellent interview.  Our bad, not theirs.  Read:

Undicisettembre: Since you already mentioned thermite, let's proceed with this topic. What do you think of thermite? Is it even vaguely possible to demolish the Twin Towers and 7 World Trade Center with thermite?

Brent Blanchard: No. In explosive demolitions thermite is never used.

The thermite assertion first came out three or four years after the event; there was no talk of thermite until 2004 or 2005. All of a sudden this new theory came out because all other theories were very easily proved impractical or impossible.

There was a professor over here in States that decided back then that thermite was his new theory, but the more you look into thermite the more you understand that the way it causes the metal to fail is not consistent with what happened. Then he changed his theory into nano-thermite and now he might even come out with double-nano-thermite. There are always variations that pop up about how thermite might have been used.

In order for thermite to work you have to have a release of the chemical and the chemical has to actually cause the steel to deteriorate. I don't how they think it can be done to an H-beam, or to any very thick steel beam. Thermite doesn't work horizontally, it works vertically. You can't cause thermite to cut horizontally through steel. You can't attach thermite to a bunch of columns, dozens and dozens of columns, and expect it to start cutting clean through all those columns at a predetermined time or especially finish at the same time. I don't understand how it can even theoretically occur. And it's never been articulately explained by the theorists.

Thermite folks just tend to assert that a bunch of guys went in there, put thermite on columns that happened to already be exposed, them somehow triggered it all, and the thermite somehow cut horizontally through a bunch of columns at the same time and caused the building to fail. That makes no sense whatsoever.
Exactly.  We have heard a couple of kooks like Jon Cole claim they could cut one (one!) column with a thermite cutter charge.  But CD experts want to cut multiple columns simultaneously, for the exact reason we hear the idiots claim again and again--because the building must collapse into its own footprint.  If you have one column collapsing out of sequence it probably is a big deal, but if you have dozens going off randomly, who can tell what would happen? Charlie Sheen?

Tuesday, October 07, 2014

High Rise Safety Initiative Collapses at Freefall Speed

Once again, the ineptitude of the Truthers is revealed:

Accordingly, it is hereby,
ORDERED that petitioners' written application to reject in part and confirm in part the Report and Recommendation of Special Referee Lois Crespo, dated September 15, 2014 is denied and the Report and Recommendation is confirmed in its entirety, and it is further,
ORDERED that consisten with the Report and Recommendation of Special Referee Louis Crespo the Court declares that the petitioners Referendum Petition is invalid, void, and prohibited from the November 4, 2014 ballot....
No doubt they will make brave noises about learning from their mistakes on this one and attempt to get on the ballot yet again with a new petition, if people will just send them another $150,000.

Update: Ted Walter finally acknowledges defeat.

As it turned out, our financing plan was not bulletproof. While drafting the petition, we and our attorneys did not anticipate the problems that would eventually become clear – namely, that the .9% surcharge on construction permit fees could be construed as a “tax” that the City is not authorized to impose, rather than a “fee” (which the City can impose without state approval), and that having a fund to set aside moneys to be used in future years could be found to violate the balanced budget requirement of the Financial Emergency Act, which prohibits the City from rolling over unused funds from year to year.
 While holding out the hope that the next time around will be the charm:
In short, we believe the “merely advisory” issue is winnable on appeal. But, given the short timeframe for that appeal to take place (at most a few days) and the likelihood of losing on the issue of the financing plan, it is almost inevitable that the appellate division would simply affirm the lower court’s decision. This would have the consequence of cementing the court’s finding on the “merely advisory” issue, thus making it impossible to attempt another ballot initiative with a revised financing plan in the future. While we do not know at this time if we will pursue another ballot initiative, we do not want to make another attempt impossible by appealing now when we have virtually no chance of winning.


Sunday, October 05, 2014

Truthers Silent About Missing NYC Ballot

Because, hey, they could still get some donations!

Remember a few weeks ago, when the High Rise Safety Initiative was still hoping to get on the fall ballot?
We expect Justice Wooten to issue a decision by mid-week, leaving about 9 days before the October 3rd cutoff for either side to appeal.
 October 3rd, you say?  Passed already?  Why is there no update on their sad failure to get on the ballot?  Oh, I know!  Because there are still Truther Morons who have not yet sent all of their money to that nice bank auditor in Nigeria who informed them of their forgotten uncle's unfortunate demise in a plane crash.

Monday, September 29, 2014

Mark Udall Not a Truther in My Book

I'll make no bones about it; I am a Republican, and nothing would make me happier than to see the GOP take over the Senate this November.  It would help quite a bit if they could oust Democratic Senator Mark Udall from Colorado.

But fair is fair.  Apparently some conservative operatives are trying to claim that Udall is a 9-11 Truther moron, using this video:

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This is selectively edited to indicate that Udall was claiming there was evidence of explosives planted in the Twin Towers. Of course, if you've ever attended any of these townhall meetings, you'll realize that what Udall was doing was repeating the comments of the 9-11 Truther audience member, so that everybody would know what he was responding to. If you watch this other video (slightly less edited), you'll see that in fact, Udall's response got the Truthers angry:



To me the key point in there is when he states (around 2:45) "When conspiracy theories surface, I almost always go to the stupidity theory.  Or, more eloquently stated, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."  To me, that's a terrific retort to a conspiracy nutbar.

Further evidence that Udall has never been claimed by the Truthers as one of their own is evident.  Look at the fruitcake site Patriots Question 9-11.  Their home page lists many government nutbars, including definite Truthers like Jesse Ventura, Dennis Kucinich, and Cynthia McKinney.  Do you really think that Udall, who would be the highest-ranking federal official to date to endorse the fruitcake theories, just somehow slipped under their radar?

Should Udall get an involuntary retirement from the voters?  Count me as hoping it happens. But let's make it happen because of his real positions on the issues, not some fantasy BS.

Hat Tip to Consdemo from the comments section.

Willie Rodriguez Addresses A Few Small, Intimate Gatherings

Hey, this is not the focus of the blog, but I do love twisting Brian's nose, so:



Can you imagine the gatherings that William could be addressing, had it not been for Brian Good?  He could have been speaking before thousands, err, hundreds, err, scores, well, dozens of stoners at the Las Vegas Hookah Lounge.

By the way, here's the gal who introduced Willie at a recent event in Monterrey:

More pics of her here.

Saturday, September 27, 2014

Anatomy of a Truther Moron

The film Anatomy of a Great Deception is being pushed lately by Truthers; the fact that Box Boy's clown posse gets 5% of the sales is probably a big reason why.

The film is much more personal than Loose Change or 9-11 Mysteries; it might well be subtitled, "How I Became a Truther" because that is the theme.  Of course, in essence it's the same old CT crap in a new wrapper.

The auteur, David Hooper, starts with a simple question.  Why did Bush stay in Booker Elementary so long after the first two plane crashes?  He concludes (like most idiot Truthers) that he or his Secret Service detail must have known it was safe.  He emphasizes that it was known that two other planes had been hijacked and yet Bush stayed there.

This is, of course, wrong.  Bush left Booker at about 9:34 or 9:35, before it was known that AA Flight 77 or UA Flight 93 had been hijacked.  As I have pointed out several times, it would have been reasonably difficult to target Booker Elementary from the air.  Sarasota is not a small town, and there were 42 different elementary schools in the city back then.  Hitting the Pentagon or the Twin Towers was pretty easy; all three are enormous buildings, easily visible from quite a distance away and very distinctive.

It doesn't get any better.  After that he goes on to talk about WTC-7.  He expresses astonishment that Shyam Sunder discounted the use of explosives bringing down the building.  Why would Sunder even bring that up? Very suspicious. Of course, Hooper is taking advantage of the argument that he was discovering this circa 2011-2012, and therefore he didn't know that the Truthers had been claiming WTC-7 was a controlled demolition well before Sunder's analysis of the building collapse was complete.

He also is amazed to learn that some 9-11 families are requesting a new investigation  of WTC-7.  Why?  Good question, David!  Nobody died in that building.  And of course, the family members shown are all the goofball Truther family members like Lorie Van Auken, Mindy Kleinberg and Bob McIlvaine.

He flashes some books and films at us; I particularly love seeing 9-11 the Ultimate Truth by one of my favorite nutbars, Laura Knight Jadczyk.

This was Laura Knight-Jadczyk and her channelled material came from a mysterious source: "We transmit "through" the opening that is presented in the locator that you represent as Cassiopaea, due to the strong radio pulses aligned from Cassiopaea, which are due to a pulsar from a neutron star 300 light years behind it, as seen from your locator. This facilitates a clear channel transmission from 6th density to 3rd density."

These beings apparently communicated with Ms Knight-Jadczyk through the means of a Ouiji board and with the help of another individual, Fred Irland, whose name, curiously enough, can be found nowhere in the published Cassiopaean material. At first, the communications were the ordinary sort of thing expected from ouiji aliens. But as they got better at it, the answers began to take on a life of their own.
He also shows 9-11 Evil, where Victor Thorn blows the yarmulke off Israeli involvement in 9-11; no link on that bit of slime, but you can find it easily.

There's also 9-11 Finding the Truth, which is written by a Judy Wood devotee named Andrew Johnson.  I mean, seriously.

He makes the usual ridiculous claims, like that WTC-7 fell almost as fast as a bowling ball, and into its own footprint.  Well, if its footprint included the Verizon Building and Fiterman Hall. He says that the destruction of the building crippled the investigations of Enron and Worldcom; that would be news to Kenneth Lay, Jeff Skilling and Bernie Ebbers.

I would dread to continue with this ridiculous movie; fortunately it was only up for a day or two at YouTube before Mr Hooper had it taken down with a copyright claim.  Apparently he only wants to wake up the sheeple at $14.95 per shearing.

Friday, September 19, 2014

Truthers Finally Acknowledge Reality

Granted, it's in service to their desperate attempt to keep their cruddy little Highrise Safety Initiative on the ballot, but it's certainly refreshing to see this:

Specifically, members of the Office of Emergency Management and the Fire Department were present at the site of WTC 7 where they determined several hours in advance that WTC 7 would very likely collapse, and, based on this determination, made the decision to remove firefighters from the building and to establish a “collapse zone” where no one was permitted to enter until after the collapse.
 I've been following the Truthers for 8 years and I don't think I've ever heard any of them acknowledge that FDNY knew WTC-7 was doomed hours before it actually collapsed.