Saturday, December 31, 2016

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(Note: The date on this post is intentional; it keeps this post pinned to the top. Thanks for asking!).

11/11/07 Update: Loose Change Final Cut has just been released and so we have not prepared a full debunking. Both James and I have many comments about the movie below and I started a thread over at JREF with some examples of mistakes in the film. Much of the rest of the information in this particular post concerns the earlier versions of Loose Change.

Because this blog is getting so much traffic from Google searches and referrals from various forums and Wikipedia, we decided to put one post up top to link to information our newest visitors are apparently looking for.

First, if you have not seen the film and want to watch it, be sure to watch the annotated version, which was named after this blog, Screw Loose Change. The creator did a terrific job on this, and we strongly recommend watching this version rather than Dylan Avery's cut.

James has put together a list of major lies in Loose Change. Here's Part 1. Part 2. Part 3. Part 4.

I compiled three very easily refuted lies in the movie. I also showed three tricks and distortions that are used throughout the film.

A friend of the blog named Mark Roberts (aka Gravy at the JREF forums) compiled this amazing Viewer's Guide to Loose Change, (now HTML) which includes a complete transcript of the movie, pictures and links that refute many of the claims, and which highlights the changes between Version 1 and Version 2.

The hot new film in 9-11 Denial is called 9-11 Mysteries. One of our JREF buddies, The Doc, has put together a rebuttal video called (you guessed it!) Screw 9-11 Mysteries, and assembled a viewers' guide to 9-11 Mysteries.

Many 9-11 Deniers focus on the collapse of World Trade Center 7, which fell at 5:20 PM on September 11, almost seven hours after the North Tower. If you want a really detailed analysis of WTC 7, I recommend Mark Robert's WTC 7 and the Lies of the 9/11 Truth Movement. I also recommend the BBC's terrific video on The Third Tower.

If you'd like to discuss the ideas about 9-11 you've encountered here or elsewhere, another friend of the blog started a Screw Loose Change Forum. It's a very lively place with lots of opinion back and forth between both sides. There's also a Screw Loose Change MySpace page, with some animated commentary. Of course, we also welcome comments on our posts.

If you're looking for detailed rebuttals of other aspects of 9-11 Denial, I heartily recommend 9-11 Myths, Debunking 9-11 and Internet Detectives.

Markyx has also put together a video (note: graphic images and strong language) called 9-11 Deniers Speak. If you think Dylan Avery and Jim Fetzer have any respect for the victims of 9-11, just watch this film. There are five parts. Part II, Part III, Part IV, Part V.
There's also a Google Video which is all in one part.

This should be enough to get you started debunking Loose Change to your friends. We have a lot more content below this post.

Notes on unusual terms/abbreviations: Looser (not a misspelling of Loser)=Believer in Loose Change. CT=Conspiracy Theory, Conspiracy Theorist. Truther=9-11 Conspiracy Theorist (all Loosers are Truthers, not all Truthers are Loosers). OS=Official Story. CD= Controlled Demoliton. LIHOP: Let It Happen On Purpose; theory that the government knew the 9-11 attacks were coming but allowed them to happen to further other goals of theirs. MIHOP: Made It Happen On Purpose; theory that the government planned and orchestrated the attacks. Most Truthers are MIHOP.

Update: Comments closed on this post, which is intended solely as a pointer. Because Haloscan will not let us close comments on a particular post, be forewarned: Don't leave a comment in this post or it will be deleted.

Update II: Note on comments: Because some of our commenters have chosen to act like children, we are no longer allowing comments.

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Friday, July 17, 2015

Gold to Chomsky: Yes, I'm a Kook, But You Don't Have to Be

Jon posts his correspondence with the Noamster over at Flogger.  As usual, he starts out Mr I Just Have Questions:

Again, I'm not going to talk to you about theories. I want to primarily talk about how important it is to acknowledge that we were lied to about 9/11, and how important it is for those with a voice to do their best to inform the public of that.
 But it's not long before he gets into the kookery:
It's not about proving that the Government did it. Unfortunately, there is information that exists out there that suggests such a thing. I didn't create this information out of thin air. It is not a figment of my imagination.
 No, it's largely a figment of the imagination of Nico Haupt, Rosalee Grable, and all the other original researchers who came up with this crap.  Gold has contributed nothing to the movement but his creation of the "limited hangout" where one pretends not to be a conspiracy theorist while really being a CT nutbar inside.

Wednesday, May 20, 2015

But Of Course....

The ONI released a bunch of information on Bin Laden's compound today, including a list of books that were found, some of them, not so surprising:


The release shows that the 9/11 mastermind was an avid reader of conspiracy theory books, with titles including: Bloodlines of the Illuminati by right-wing author Fritz Springmeier; The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11 by the 9/11 truther David Ray Griffin; Conspirators' Hierarchy: The Committee of 300 by John Coleman; and The Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins, an anti-Semitic writer.

Although reading someone who claims he didn't do what he did must have presented some interesting existential questions, as well as bringing to mind the classic Onion video.


Sunday, May 17, 2015

AE911 Truth Fails, Again

The Troofers were all excited that they got a vote held at the Americans Institute of Architects annual meeting, unfortunately it failed by the overwhelming vote of 3,892 to 160.  AE911 Truth claims over 100 of their members are in the AIA, which means that they barely managed to get votes from any  other architects at all.


Friday, April 03, 2015

Jonathan Kay on the Gold Show

Jonathan Kay appears on Jon Gold's tendentiously named "We Were Lied to About 9-11" podcast.



No surprises here; Gold does his usual schtick. We're just asking questions, we represent the family members, I invented the term "Truther" so I get to define what it means, blahblahblah. Never mind that the Truth Movement he belongs to has a membership of exactly one person (himself). And never mind that when you get right down to it he's every bit the kook that David Icke and Webster Tarpley are; he's just a little more skilled at doing the shuck and jive. Towards the end of the podcast he reiterates his claim to Matt Taibbi that elements of the US government had "more than earned the title of suspect" for the crimes of 9-11.

Screw Loose Change gets mentioned about 46 minutes in, and no surprise again, Jon lies about us, claiming that Troy from West Virginia was a "star poster" over here. Troy never posted here once; he was a commenter, which is a completely different thing. I did not approve of Troy's harassment of 9-11 Truthers.

Kay does a solid job of keeping on message. I do like that he agreed with Jon that the 28 redacted pages from the congressional enquiry should be released; so far I have heard almost nobody say otherwise. I did wince a bit at the part about the workers on the pile; Gold claimed that over 1000 of them have died which (no surprise) is bull.

Saturday, March 28, 2015

Neils Harrit Loses, Again

The Truther sites have been pretty quiet about it, I have only found a mention on a couple of Danish news sites, but it appears that Harrit lost his libel appeal against a journalist who called his beliefs the Danish equivalent of a crackpot. So go forward with the knowledge that from now on you may wander the small Scandinavian nation freely calling 9/11 conspiracy theories crackpot with impunity.

Monday, March 23, 2015

Niels Harrit in Court

The Truthers are all excited over Niels Harrit suing a Danish journalist for libel. By their accounts it is going, swimmingly.


Harrit referred to the historical court case against Galileo Galilei in 1633, where the accused was brought in front of the inquisition of the Roman Catholic Church and tortured until he renounced his belief that the earth rotated around the sun and acknowledged that the earth was the center of the universe.
When he concluded his procedure, there was no doubt that Dr. Harrit had made an impact upon the High Court. The three judges looked as if they approved the legal points he made, and both Villemoes and his lawyer appeared a bit shaken.
Who knows who will actually win, European libel laws are decidedly less liberal than in the US, but perhaps Harrit should note that unlike Galileo, he is not the defendant, he is the one doing the suing. Regardless a Danish skeptic had a rather less favorable report of the trial.
Harrit pointed to a Danish law against libel, §2672, and Article 10 in the European Human Rights Convention3 (on freedom of expression). He admitted to not being an expert on law, but made the argument that Villemoes had to produce evidence that he, Harrit, was a crackpot. Harrit proved himself right, when it came to him not having expertise in law:
Despite the judges being very lenient with him, he had to be schooled by the head judge on not to make his closing argument during his questioning of the witnesses. Later, she had to tell him not to badger the defendant, Søren Villemoes, while the latter was on the stand, being questioned by Harrit. Harrit would not be allowed to ask insinuating questions. 
Among other things, Harrit claimed that there had been no judicial or police investigation of the terror attacks. He did not mention the trial of Zacharias Moussaoui who was sentenced to life in prison for his role in the attacks, a trial that Harrit is fully aware of