Tuesday, May 02, 2006

Men Always Lie About Size

At the 22 minute mark, Loose Change, referring to the damage at the Pentagon claims "The only damage to the outer wall is a single hole, no more than 16 feet in diameter." Oh really, here is a picture of the Pentagon. It is a bit hard to see through the smoke (click to enlarge), but that hole is a hell of a lot bigger than 16 feet. Compare it to the firetruck and firefighters just in front of it.

If you look at the damage after the fire is put out, you also see the extent of the damage. Look at how much rubble is piled up in the front. It is quite obvious the hole is around 30-40 meters across, which amazingly also happens to be the wingspan of a 757. What an amazing coincidence!

Purdue University, interestingly enough, came out with a computer simulation of the crash. It almost exactly mimics the damage, a wide hole in the outer ring, growing increasingly smaller through 2 more rings. You can see it here.

Update: The official estimate according to the ASCE report is 90 feet, which is pretty close to me 30-40 meter rough guess, and a really long way from 16 feet. Warning to moonbats, read this report at your own risk, it contains lots of engineering terms and actual science.

The width of the severe damage to the west facade of the Pentagon was approximately 120 ft (from column lines 8 to 20). The projected width, perpendicular to the path of the aircraft, was approximately 90 ft, which is substantially less than the 125 ft wingspan of the aircraft. An examination of the area encompassed by extending the line of travel of the aircraft to the face of the building shows that there are no discrete marks on the building corresponding to the positions of the outer third of the right wing. The size and position of the actual opening in the facade of the building (from column line 8 to column line 18) indicate that no portion of the outer two-thirds of the right wing and no portion of the outer one-third of the left wing actually entered the building.


At 18 May, 2006 16:17, Blogger sumy23 said...

Actually I can't see the left edge of the hole, there is too much smoke there. Do you have a formula for how you estimated how to stop drawing that red line? Surely you must have another picture? There were hundreds of witnesses that saw a 747 impact the pentagon that day. Who cares about the pentagon anyway. I want to know about Larry Silverstein and why the Bush said he saw the first plane hit tower 1 on a TV. He said that twice too. I think the first time I just chalked it up to him being under duress, but he said it again 2 months later during a public speaking. Hows that go? You fool me once... fool me again... well you cant fool me twice. Most of this "debating" is just one nerd trying to prove they are smarter than the other... and the truth gets lost somewhere in the middle.

At 18 May, 2006 16:20, Blogger sumy23 said...

I just remembered. 30 meteres is the same range that Dick Cheney suposedly shot his friend from. Damn bird shot at 30 meters. I wonder what the spread of bird shot looks like at 30 meters. Once you lie, that makes you a liar right?

At 18 May, 2006 16:27, Blogger sumy23 said...

Hey my last post was at 4:20. I'm sorry to steal your thunder but you could make a joke about that. Something like "Hey Kook its 4:20 shouldn't you be out doing drugs."
And then I would reply "I don't use drugs, they are a tool of the NWO."
Isn't it a relief to hear from a moonbat with a sense of humor???

At 26 May, 2006 10:32, Blogger ABSCOM said...

Sunny could you please cite your source of theses witnesses along with their names and contact information so i can verify your report.

At 16 June, 2006 19:51, Blogger jackhanyes said...

Funny how the tail wing makes it through without a problem in the sim. I guess they had to do that since the windows are intact over the entry hole.

At 15 September, 2006 11:32, Blogger Swing Dangler said...

How did they determine the width of the hole 'after' the collapse? Were they using the same photos or what?

At 03 October, 2006 10:26, Blogger Delta Blues said...

so far, this is the most shakely counter-point to the conspiracy. The Purdue simulation was an attempt to see if the physics of the crash were possible, not if it is the most likely senerio, or if it is actually what caused the explosion. They do not prove if this in fact what happened, just that it is possible. They also state throughout the piece that there are certain assumptions made about the integritey and materials, and you know what they say about assumptions. Also the fact that they are computer graphics majors and computer science experts, with the only engineers being civil, makes this questionable. They "had some interaction with aeronautical engineers," which doesn't seem to justify the validity of the experiment.

also, in point ten, you state: "Studies by NIST, the ASCE and Purdue University, including computer simulations show that the damage was perfectly in keeping with a crashing airplane."

you can't use government sources to prove the government isn't lying. that's like saying there is no JFK conspiracy because the Warren Report says so. The ASCE is an independent source, but it doesn't prove anything about the airplane, just the fire and building damage.

"That afternoon, the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) established a building performance study (BPS) team of volunteers who possess expertise in structural, fire, and forensic engineering to examine the performance of the structure in the crash and subsequent fire for the benefit of the building professions and the public…

On the basis of this information the BPS team analyzed the essential aspects of the response of the structural system of the Pentagon to the crash…"

That does nothing to disprove it was not a 757.

At 09 December, 2006 17:17, Blogger Alxemi said...

The pictures used in loose change are a lot more clear than the ones used here. You can easilly see wall behind that red line:


I came here looking for real "screws" and everything i have found makes "loose change" stronger. Good work guys.

At 09 December, 2006 17:26, Blogger Alxemi said...

I have made a comparison between your shot and the one used in the documentary, you can easily see wall between the two white lines i draw:

loose change shot in which you can see the wall:

your shot with smoke where there is wall, and your red line just in fron of it:

The comparison is not 100% acurate, but you can see the point, look at the rubish in the ground as reference between the two pictures.

At 11 December, 2006 08:12, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Um, actually smart one who owns this blog, you can't prove your point with this ridiculously unclear picture, you expect me to believe that behind all that smoke is a 30 meter hole, come on now, your hurting your cause.

At 26 July, 2007 02:19, Blogger Salvatore said...

Over the the last couple of years I find that most of the information I come across that supports the official 9/11 story is posited to debunk other information. It's always conveyed as the counter to some 'crack-pot' theory. If it's the 'official' version you support, it shouldn't have to 'counter' or 'screw' anything. It should stand alone, always. It should never be used to start this silly school-yard squabble that is this blog. Have respect for your point of view SLCers. Supposedly, it's the official truth. Us 'crack-pots' are just trying to get where you are already...stop trying to beat us down with your 'truth'.

At 28 July, 2007 07:38, Blogger Smile and Say "Cheese" said...

Have to agree with sumy23, one cannot see the left edge of the impact hole. But...one can see that the photo of collapsed section matches up well with the "smoke filled" photo to show that the impact hole was NOT 90 feet across...fyi Pentagon windows are not 15 feet across...Whoops!

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