Wednesday, June 07, 2006

Moron Morgan Reynolds

Morgan Reynolds is one of the shining stars of the 9-11 "Truth" movement. He's a former Chief Economist in the Labor Department in the Bush Administration, which of course makes him very well qualified to comment on unemployment rates and payroll percentage increases, somewhat less qualified as a historian (as we shall see).

Discussing how difficult it is to convince people of the "Truth", Reynolds writes:

Governments throughout history have provoked or staged attacks on their own people to serve the powers behind the throne (“the money power”), glorify themselves, engage in vast government spending, reward friends, exert domestic control, stimulate the juices of war, annex neighbors and pursue vast geostrategic rearrangements (the “global domination project”). A few examples:

* Nero burned Rome to blame the Christans A.D. 64
* US provoked Mexican-American war 1846
* USS Maine sinking 1898
* Lusitania sinking 1915
* Reichstag fire 1933
* Hitler’s staged attack on the Gleiwitz radio station 1939
* The “surprise attack” at Pearl Harbor 1941
* Bay of Pigs conspiracy 1961
* Operation Northwoods 1962
* LBJ’s Gulf of Tonkin conspiracy 1964
* Kuwaiti baby incubator hoax 1991
* Bush Jr.’s 9/11, yellow cake and WMD scams


Of course, very few of those, upon reflection, turn out to be conspiracies, but conspiracy "theories". Nobody knows if Nero deliberately burned (a section of) Rome; evidence against it includes that the fire destroyed his own palace.

The myth that FDR allowed Pearl Harbor to happen is frequently touted by the same folks who would have us believe FDR was our greatest president. I have read quite a bit on this subject, including the famed Toland book, and the sense that I get is that much like 9-11 there were clear concerns that something was up, but not enough specifics for the attack to be prevented. Note as well that if the conspiracy theory were true on Pearl Harbor, that FDR would be reviled as the most evil person to hold the office of the presidency.

The Reichstag fire? Most historians now believe it was started by a deranged communist, not by Hitler and his goons. The Lusitania? If it was intentionally sunk or allowed to be sunk, then the goal of drawing America into the war was unsuccessful, as it took another two years before we entered combat. The Gulf of Tonkin? A recent study by the National Security Agency indicates that one of the two claimed attacks did not occur, but the other did.

I'm surprised since he put in the Bay of Pigs "conspiracy" that he failed to mention the conspiracy to invade France on D-Day. The baby incubator story? Hey, news accounts are sometimes inaccurate; were the reports of child rape in the New Orleans Superdome planted to give the Bush Administration a reason to take over management of the Katrina evacuation?

You get the picture. All of these conspiracy theories are just that, "theories", and presenting a list of them does not improve the credibility of the 9-11 Truthers. Indeed, this section shows how goofy Reynolds is:

Many Americans know that the JFK, RFK, MLK and other assassinations were inside jobs, and Nixon’s Watergate and Reagan’s Iran-Contra are proven conspiracies with criminal convictions.

Yes, and Watergate and Iran-Contra were quickly discovered, but somehow these other conspiracies have never been revealed. And the assassinations of JFK, RFK and MLK were done by Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, and James Earl Ray, respectively.

On the Screw Loose Change Nutbar-o-Meter, Reynolds rates:



Hat Tip to BG in the comments.

22 Comments:

At 07 June, 2006 09:00, Blogger Jujigatami said...

Come on.

He at least rates a "Raving" and possibly a "Delusional" on a bad day.

 
At 07 June, 2006 17:32, Blogger Unknown said...

* Kuwaiti baby incubator hoax 1991

Let's just see have Raving

Fake Dead Babies

The propagandists for the Gulf War had to reach back to World War I for the ultimate staged outrage--our evil enemy attacks innocent babies.

Here is how it unfolded. Kuwaiti citizen Nijirah al-Sabah, wiped her eyes and described a horrifying scene she saw when she was a volunteer in the Al Adnan hospital in Kuwait City. She had witnessed Iraqi soldiers looting incubators to take back to Baghdad, throwing Kuwaiti babies on "the cold floor to die."

 
At 07 June, 2006 17:33, Blogger Unknown said...

Correction: meant Let's just see how Raving...

Sorry

 
At 07 June, 2006 17:37, Blogger James B. said...

Conspirators face no threat of arrest, prosecution and punishment by the government’s justice system

Yeah, tell that to John Dean, G. Gordon Liddy, John Poindexter, Oliver North et al. Hell, even Libby is being prosecuted for supposedly lying about what he said to a reporter. But killing 3,000 people, no way they could get prosecuted for that.

 
At 07 June, 2006 17:57, Blogger shawn said...

See, this is what I love about that crowd, one incorrect or hoax horror by the enemy, and the enemy is now innocent.

Saddam really did gas Kurdish children. Saddam really did have people put through plastic shredders. Saddam really did let hundreds of thousands of children starve so he could fill his coffers in the Oil for Food debacle.

 
At 07 June, 2006 18:02, Blogger Unknown said...

James,

Here's the context of what you quoted your comment preceding this:

Here’s how large, inside conspiracies work:

Reynold then listed what you included.

Clearly, Reynolds was referring to the egregious situation where the wrong doer's get away scott free.

No one is claiming that all conspiricies and conspirators have avoided detection.

We do believe that for a rational person, citing examples in history where people have gotten away with it is a logical way to present the evidence.

I think you aren't willing to be honest in your argument if you don't admit that most people are in the dark about many verifiable scams in US history. And, it is that lack of understanding that leads them to say "there no way anybody associated with our Govt. would pull off something like 9/11 behind the scenes.

 
At 07 June, 2006 18:25, Blogger Unknown said...

I'm no apologist for Saddam's crimes.

He would not have been the Dictator if the US hadn't installed him in the first place.

 
At 07 June, 2006 19:41, Blogger Unknown said...

Morgan Reynolds Presentation in Chicago 6/4?

 
At 07 June, 2006 20:06, Blogger shawn said...

He would not have been the Dictator if the US hadn't installed him in the first place.

You're kidding, right?

Please tell me you're kidding.

While true we liked Iraq more than Iran or the Soviet Union, he took power himself as the aging president was unable to perform his duties.

 
At 07 June, 2006 20:07, Blogger shawn said...

And if you were right about us putting him to power, isn't it our responsibility to take him out?

 
At 07 June, 2006 20:21, Blogger Unknown said...

Breaking News: NY Times (More CIA Ops)
Efforts by C.I.A. Fail in Somalia, Officials Charge

 
At 07 June, 2006 20:22, Blogger shawn said...

If I have the choice between a secular warlord and an Islamist warlord, I choose the former.

 
At 07 June, 2006 21:00, Blogger Unknown said...

How about Neocon Warlords?

The Case of the Missing $21 Billion

 
At 07 June, 2006 21:27, Blogger Pat said...

BG, read the story; Scowcroft and the Bush Administration didn't know the story was false. If anything they were guilty of giving too much credence to first-hand testimony. I doubt very strongly that the incubator story moved six votes in the Senate.

 
At 08 June, 2006 02:23, Blogger nes718 said...

* Kuwaiti baby incubator hoax 1991

LOL! Caught red handed right there!

I think the Jordanian Woman with the bomb belt was staged by a PR firm also, but don't have proof. Call it "a funny feeling" based on prior US/Israeli propaganda.

 
At 08 June, 2006 03:45, Blogger shawn said...

I think the Jordanian Woman with the bomb belt was staged by a PR firm also, but don't have proof. Call it "a funny feeling" based on prior US/Israeli propaganda.

Those wily Jews.

(nesnyc, for once think. They get bombed enough, why would they need to create fake bombers?)

 
At 08 June, 2006 06:24, Blogger Alex said...

"nesnyc, for once think. They get bombed enough, why would they need to create fake bombers?"

Didn't you hear? They didn't really get bombed. It's all "prior US/Israeli propaganda".

 
At 08 June, 2006 20:20, Blogger shawn said...

you'll find that FDR did not only know of the attack, but he was constrained to provoke ANYTHING with Japan in the Pacific so as to get into the war via the Tripartite Act before England fell.

As someone who has studied the War extensively, the most likely "they knew" story is that of Churchill knowing and keeping it from FDR so he'd join the war.

3. Your article is indicative of one that desperately seeks tranquility over truth. Ridiculing any serious analysis of 911 affords you the delusion that you'll never have to face a problem for which you have no immediate solution. This may be due to a fear of the death penalty.

When there's a serious analysis (and I'm talking about one that doesn't drown in psuedoskepticism and logical fallacies) we'll take it seriously. There hasn't been one yet.

And what is this death penatly nonsense? Nobody on this blog has committed treason, least of all those of us who understand the "official" story is the most likely chain of events.

You, however, hesitate at the notion that the penalty for treason is 'the felon's noose.'

I hold no such reservations.

The mere idea that you could be betrayed is simply unacceptable.

I see it everyday. I see it when I open my paper and our armed forces are tried in the court of public opinion without a defense. I see it when they can't be happy that we killed an enemy commander. There has been treason in this country, we're just too much of pansies to call anyone on it.

 
At 09 June, 2006 14:39, Blogger Alex said...

What the hell?

Is it just me, or did that entire post seem like an exercise in free-association?

 
At 10 June, 2006 18:09, Blogger Alex said...

No, I'm pretty sure it's a direct result of your inability to string together words in a logical manner.

Oh, and the fact that you're a windbag who likes to unneccesarily draw-out his arguments doesn't help either.

 
At 10 June, 2006 23:18, Blogger Alex said...

All I saw there was....kissinger....bush...blah blah blah, I'm a dirty whore.

Send again, over.

 
At 12 June, 2006 15:38, Blogger Alex said...

Please, please, PLEASE....just ONCE...say ONE FUCKING THING that actualy sounds NORMAL!

I'm not asking for much am I? It can be something simple. "I like apples" would do. Or "I'm certifiably insane" if you want to say something relevant.

 

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