"None of these Calls Could Have Taken Place"
I previously discussed some of the evidence arising out of the Zacarias Moussaoui trial. This is one of the more interesting exhibits. It is a detailed flash presentation (28MB) which lists data on all 4 flights, includings details on all the passengers (including the hijackers) and what seat they were in.
Someone tell Jim Fetzer, who still insists the hijackers did not appear on any passenger lists. Included in this presentation are also details on every phone call made during the flight. This is important because we can compare this information (entered into court records under penalty of perjury) with the speculation included in Loose Change.
In Loose Change, Dylan and Co. display quotes from the following phone calls:
Marion Britton, Flight 93
Tom Burnett, Flight 93
Jeremy Glick, Flight 93
Lauren Grandcolas, Flight 93
Linda Grondland, Flight 93
Peter Hanson, Flight 175
Brian David Sweeney, Flight 175
Honor Wainio, Flight 93
CeeCee Lyles, Flight 93
Barbara Olson, Flight 77
He then discusses phone calls made by Betty Ong, Madeleine Sweeney, and Mark Bingham. After talking about this for several minutes, he then dismisses all of 13 of these calls:
But to be honest, none of that matters. Why? Because none of these calls could have taken place.Why could they have not taken place? Well because according to Dylan, some computer science professor, while circling above Ontario in his Cessna decided cell phone reception is poor on airplanes. Now one could certainly argue that his methodology, which was not conducted with the equipment, or at the geographic location of the flights was poorly done.
But to be honest, none of that matters.
Why? Because everyone of the calls cited in Loose Change was made with an Airfone.
For example Marion Britton called at 9:49 from the Airfone in row 33ABC. Jeremy Glick called at 9:37 from 27DEF. Betty Ong, Madeleine Sweeney, and CeeCee Lyles were all flight attendents, and were obviously quite familiar with the use of Airfones. In fact, in this flash presentation you can listen to the recording of the phone calls made by Ong and Lyles.
So when the Loosers claim that "none of these calls could have taken place", what they actually meant to say was, "there is strong evidence showing everyone of these phone calls did take place". Maybe they will get it right in "Loose Change: The Final Weak Attempt at the Truth"?
Don't count on it.
posted by James B. @ 9:26 AM
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Yeah, the rule of thumb with these people is to assume exactly the opposite of what they say. It's almost always the case.
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My question is, why can't they get one single detail right?
Must be a conspiracy.
Can the government at least get the NORAD part right instead of deliberately putting lies in the report and not telling anybody about their second thoughts on those stories?
Continue to grasp at straws.
Back on topic, can you guys admit that you couldn't be more wrong about the phone calls?
Are you kidding. They wouldn't be loyal truthers if they did that. No, instead, they will say that despite the evidence being entered in a court of law, that it is all govt faked.
I guarantee that is what they will say.
I mean Killtown is still arguing the pic of the damage to SW corner of WTC 7 is doctored, even though it was an exhibit at the Moussaoui trial.
The link is the flash presentation.
If you look at it, they give the seat the passenger was assigned to, but then they have a row where the call came from...How would they know the call was from that particular row, unless it was made from the AIRFONE from that row. If it was made from a cellphone, they would have NO F&*KING IDEA WHAT ROW.
Can you please provide sources/links to stories that specifically say all the calls were made from airfones?
Did you even bother reading the post?
Did you even bother reading the post?
They never do.
Like, hey man I mean READ? ha ha ha ha - like pictures man, pictures, like when Ol'Dylan went to the museum in Albany, last week, and there was a picture of black boxes, like man I didn't bother to like read 'cause like there was a picture! Then like later, they told me it was like, and example, man I had to eat my hat and everything, but its ok 'cause the blog got fixed so it lookes like I'm never wrong!
I know the practitioners of the 911 Denial mystery cult are beyond help, but have y'all been able to convince any uninformed folks or fence-sitters that the conspiracy claims are hogwash? (My guess is that that type of reader isn't likely to leave comments.)
I don't see the point in debunking those quotes, what's to debunk. When I first heard that a plane hit the WTC I thought it was an accident to. Both of their reactions are totaly valid.
"Hi Mom...this is Mark Binham"
:)
Yeah, let's mock the dead some more (it doesn't matter what you believe, he was on the plane).
That doesn't answer my question.
Actually it answered it completely. Somehow this administration pulled off the grandest hoax in world history yet they can't plant WMDs in Iraq, can't make Iraq work without civil unrest, and can't get most of America giving them a faovrable review.
Can you name another time when a group of men hijacked a bunch of planes and crashed them into landmarks? Come on, wrack the ten brain cells you have left.
When I first heard that a plane hit the WTC I thought it was an accident to.
We turned on the TV in my class about ten seconds before the second plane hit, and until we saw it happen, we thought it was an accident, too.
Were you lying?
None of them can make a comment without lying.
I mean that is the key isnt it.
The premise that these grand masters of the false flag, can successfully complete this enormous false flag operation, but can't slip a few bombs with chemical weaponheads, or a few viles of anthrax, into Iraq....now, more than ever before in my life, I am laughing at the silliness of the assertion.
911coverup...now I know you will likely sidestep the question with another "Well then how do you explain...", but for a moment, think about it, and then explain...how could these people, who just carried out the greatest false flag ever, not have the power or ability to plant some WMDs in Iraq...come on man.
Everyone's a Monday morning (although in this case it'd be Wednesday morning) counterterrorist.
My point is you say they have pulled off this huge flase flag op, that 70% of the public still believe is the truth, yet they couldn't do something a million times more simple, like plant a few WMD, so that Bush and company could stay there for ever, and keep high approval ratings, and provide a tremndously strong tie to iraq and the "war on terrah!"
You don't get us because we think logically
then how come you don't see the obvious sloppiness in the coverups of 9/11 by the bush adminstration?
...there isn't any evidence that they committed 9/11. That's why we bring up why they didn't plant WMDs in Iraq.
And why do they want civil unrest in Iraq? It ruins the whole "taking over the world" retardedness.
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No, it hadnt crossed my mind because its utterly and completely moronic.
That made me laugh so hard my sides hurt. So true.
Of course GWB should have known an attack by Al Qieda was imminent. That is what Richard Clarke was trying to tell him. But old GB was too busy cutting brush down at the ranch and planning how to get star wars going again. Read Clarke's book, he knew exactly who it was the instance it happened.
But the Bush administration plan 9/11? NO.... That is the delusion of the conspiracy theorist. Real dumb shits who can't understand the science and facts of what happened and justify their steadfast ignorance with the idea they hate Bush and so he must have done it.
Well so what, I hate Bush too, but I know bullshit when I see it. Be it liberal or conservative bullshit, it still smells the same, and only a fool would step in it.
Looking for aetheists a/k/a secular humanists
There is a difference and I think you will find most atheist like my self not at all fooled by the truthers.
Conspiracy theories like religion require a certain amount of gullibility
"Conspiracy theories like religion require a certain amount of gullibility"
Depends on the theory. If you mean the official one about 9/11 attacks co-ordinated out of a cave in Afghanistan, I would agree with you.
As for the most plausible other theory, I'm undecided, short of accepting it had to be an inside job. How much Bush knew - difficult to judge. What is abundantly clear is that he wasn't acting as either President or Commander in Chief on the day and was neither impeached, taken to task - not even questioned about this. His first big lie of the day was in his Address to the Nation "Immediately following the first attack, I implemented our government's emergency response plans." That this was untrue is beyond dispute, because we have the video footage that shows he did nothing immediately after the first attack but go to Emma Booker Elementary School and listen to children doing spelling exercises. Even after the second attack he did nothing but continue to listen to children doing spelling exercises.
That old chestnut about why didn't they plant evidence of WMD in Iraq is based upon a misunderstanding of what 9/11 was. As puppets of the corporate industrial complex the government's role in this is PR. They just have to sell the war on terror and smooth over any awkward questions. They sell the WMD lie and that's enough to get the war started. Once started it will be almost impossible to stop. Military bases are built in Iraq and a compliant government installed. Mission accomplished. It's much easier to fake the intelligence than actually fake the evidence. How do you plant WMD in Iraq? Think about it. Whether it's nuclear or chemical it has to have a delivery system to pose a threat to other nations. So special ops plonk it down in the desert and the government says "look what we found!". "Oh yes? Let's see", say the international weapons inspectors. "Why didn't we spot this when we were combing the country all those years? Where are the weapons factories that produced this? Wait a minute - where was this made?" Bush, Blair and Co. knew there weren't any WMD before they launched the attack and sure, it was rather inconvenient for them, but from the perspective of those who pull their strings it didn't matter. If your salesman takes a fall for selling a lemon, no sweat. You appoint another one. As it happens, none of the salesmen were sacked for this particular offense.
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