Wednesday, January 24, 2007

Room Temperature In an Igloo, Maybe

Perry Logan likes to say that the Deniers are a bunch of white guys with room-temperature IQs. That may be generous. Check out this thread at Democratic Underground, where yet another maroon brings up the supposed missing hijackers on the flights. When it was pointed out that this would indicate that the airlines were in on the coverup, the poster replies:

You're not making sense.

The lack of a hijacker list indicates that the Airlines are not in on any gov't-lead plot. If they were in on it, they would have concocted a manifest that included the names of all 19 hijackers aboard and promptly handed it over to the FBI. But to their credit, the airlines did no such thing. And the FBI is in possession of no such list.

They're simply being honest. The airlines can't confirm 9/11 hijackers were actually aboard any of the flights, because their records don't show that there were any.


Now let's follow the logic here. If the airlines released the manifest without the 19 hijackers on it, they either didn't notice that there were no hijackers or they did. I suppose it's possible to imagine that the airlines were Bizarro-stupid and said, "Me not see anything wrong with list."

But otherwise, they're at least in on the coverup, right? Oh, yeah, you could take the stance that they bravely released a list of passengers on the flight without including the hijackers in the hopes that somebody would ask about it, and unfortunately there were no stupid white guys in the press who noticed.

21 Comments:

At 24 January, 2007 10:27, Blogger Alex said...

There's also the little matter of 4 missing aircraft. If there were no hijackers, what happened to those flights? Wouldn't the fact that they're missing confirm that the airlines would have had to be involved?

 
At 24 January, 2007 10:35, Blogger James B. said...

Oh, you silly, I don't know how many times I have misplaced one of my $150 million jets. Or 3... or 4...

 
At 24 January, 2007 11:46, Blogger Swing Dangler said...

Well you've got one flying into tower 1, one flying into tower 2, one flying over the Pentagon (NTSB animation corrected for the altitude cover up), and one flying out west past Missouri according to to the Flytecomm flight path.
http://www.team8plus.org/
download.php?view.2
Excellent download.

Have you come across the Flt. 77 heading out west according to the Flytecomm flight tracking program?

That equals 4. None missing at all!!

 
At 24 January, 2007 12:35, Blogger CHF said...

Oh dear.

Are da twoofers still confusing victim lists for manifests?

 
At 24 January, 2007 12:50, Blogger apathoid said...

Speaking of room temperature IQs...

Swing: Well you've got one flying into tower 1, one flying into tower 2, one flying over the Pentagon (NTSB animation corrected for the altitude cover up), and one flying out west past Missouri according to to the Flytecomm flight path.

....

That equals 4. None missing at all!!


Uhhh, genius....? If 77 merely flew over the Pentagon instead of into it - by definition it's currently missing - unless you know where it is....

Are you also saying that Flights 11, 175 and 93 ended where the official story has them crashing....since you claim they're not missing in your estimation?

 
At 24 January, 2007 14:00, Blogger shawn said...

Democratic Underground is the place where the dumbest members of the Left congregate. If I were a Leftist I would hate that site with a passion.

 
At 24 January, 2007 16:14, Blogger Alex said...

And if there were no hijackers, why did those planes fly into the WTC towers?

Let me guess, you think the pilots had a few too many of those mini-bottles, and decided to play chicken with the towers?

You're not making any sense numbnuts. If there were no hijackers, the airlines would have had to have been in on it.

 
At 24 January, 2007 16:22, Anonymous Anonymous said...

911blogger Watch (01/24)
http://www.911bloglines.com


Submitted by ewing2001 on Thu, 2007-01-25

911blogger Watch (01/24)
http://www.911bloglines.com/node/24

Watching the Orwellianized 9/11 Truthlings

 
At 24 January, 2007 16:36, Blogger Alex said...

How many times were you dropped as a child?

 
At 24 January, 2007 18:47, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good one, Alex

 
At 25 January, 2007 06:25, Blogger Swing Dangler said...

Checkout Team8plus.org. They have done an excellent job of analysing the flight routes of the planes. They show the flight path in real time overlaid with the landscape. Excellent work showing how the plane swap took place in the holes of the different radar gaps. It fits very neatly with part of the Northwoods Plan and their plane swap scenario. The flight paths also show the number of military bases and air force bases those planes flew over.

If you were a hijacker, why fly the plane clear to Cleveland, risk being intercepted, only to head towards a target in Washington?

If you were a hijacker, why fly so far away to risk being intercepted when you could take over the jets shortly after takeoff, and make a quick U-turn to head back to your target?

Oh I guess the hijackers were full aware that the FAA and NORAD would be confused by all those wargames going on across the country. That is some good work from those caves in Afghanistan.

I didn't say there weren't any hijackers.

If 77 is missing, that is only missing to us, not the entire world.
Based upon the work of Team8, and the Flytecomm tracking software, that plane headed out past Missouri. From there I have no idea.

Have any of you looked at that Flytecomm flight path?

 
At 25 January, 2007 08:58, Blogger Alex said...

Wow, that article's so bad it gave me a headache. That's it, this is the last time I follow one of your links. You pointed me at a site which claims that hijackers knew about the lack of radar coverage because they flew through areas that had no radar. That's such poor logic that I would have expected even you to laugh at it, but no, it looks like no theory is too stupid for our resident child-molester. Thanks a lot swing-nuts.

 
At 25 January, 2007 09:05, Blogger Alex said...

Oh, and those assholes also accuse Canada of being complicit in the 9-11 attacks by suggesting that "drone flights" flew in from Canada. So now not only are some 20,000 Americans also involved in the coverup, but you've also dragged in a foreign government, and foreign flight controllers.

 
At 25 January, 2007 09:05, Blogger Alex said...

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At 25 January, 2007 10:15, Blogger lawchick said...

The team8 guys are even loopier than jones & jones and uncle fetzer.

 
At 25 January, 2007 12:00, Blogger Swing Dangler said...

Alex That is what I thought. You didn't even bother to read their research. or view the animations and the information from their FOIA request.
Close your eyes and go back to sleep.
Canadia bacon....canadian bacon...


Besides they don't implicate your goverment because of a possible plane flying through Canadian airspace. That is your slippery slope gone bad, kid.

 
At 25 January, 2007 12:01, Blogger Swing Dangler said...

20,000 Americans Huh?

 
At 25 January, 2007 13:46, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shanksville was a restricted military airspace, too.

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight93.html

Witnesses Recall Plane Crash
"A plane going over Shanksville wasn't anything unusual because it is a military flight corridor, said Kelly Leverknight, who lives in Shanksville, just a couple miles from the crash scene." - Daily American (2001) [Reprinted: us-pentagon.tripod.com]


corridor - Restricted airspace for the passage of aircraft.

 
At 25 January, 2007 13:46, Blogger apathoid said...

Team8plus...

How many airline pilots and air traffic controllers does this "organization" have? None? Why should I listen to these people then?

Plane swaps...

Why did they need to swap planes? Why swap out flight 77 with a drone, only to fly the drone over the Pentagon, instead of into it....

I didn't say there weren't any hijackers.

By hijackers, do you mean CIA operatives, or Al Qaeda operatives? What was the purpose of these hijackers? To assist in the plane swapping? How does that make sense?

If 77 is missing, that is only missing to us, not the entire world.

Dude, put down the spliff. This makes zero sense. It headed out West past Missouri, we dont know where it is, but apparently its whereabouts are known to the "entire world" outside the US, but they wont tell us.

Have any of you looked at that Flytecomm flight path?

No, because the team8plus site is crap. How about you provide some direct links that show plane swaps, as well flight 77 flying past Missouri.

Then give me a coherent argument as to why they'd swap flight 77 with a drone, only to not crash the drone...or did Chic Burlingame buzz the Pentagon himself before heading West and falling into a hole in the space-time continuum.....?

I'm just asking questions.

 
At 25 January, 2007 14:08, Blogger apathoid said...

Shanksville was a restricted military airspace, too.

....corridor - Restricted airspace for the passage of aircraft.


Too? Whats the other restricted airspace? The Pentagon? The only problem with that argument is... well....that it's not correct. That airspace is not restricted, at all.

And have a look at an airmans sectional chart..lots of restricted airspace - its everywhere. What does that mean? It means, airman are not allowed to fly into it without permission. Thats all.

What restricted airspace isn't?
Its not airspace thats protected by AAA, SAMs and F-15s....which is what I think you were trying to get at.

 
At 25 January, 2007 15:49, Blogger Alex said...

Alex That is what I thought. You didn't even bother to read their research. or view the animations and the information from their FOIA request.

Ofcourse not. They're a bunch of lunatics, why would I waste my time doing more than a cursory examination of their material? Their argument is the same as yours - "it COULD have happened, therefore it MUST have happened". They don't offer any evidence to show that it happened, they simply assume that because their theory is theoretically possible, it must be so.

Close your eyes and go back to sleep.
Canadia bacon....canadian bacon...


What the hell is wrong with you? Seriously. First you hate Jews, now you hate Canadians. Want to wipe us off the map too?

Besides they don't implicate your goverment because of a possible plane flying through Canadian airspace. That is your slippery slope gone bad, kid.

That made as much sense as a football bat. What slippery slope? And how does a slope go bad?

Actually, I've got a more important questions: what sort of drugs are you taking, and where are you getting them?

 

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