Wednesday, February 23, 2011

Yes, You Are Wrong

The Troofers try to shame me:

Would you admit you were wrong? Would you apologize to all of the families you have disrespected? Would you apologize to all of the first responders you have disrespected? Would you apologize to all of the sincere members of the 9/11 Truth Movement you have slandered, harassed, and/or threatened? Either by directly taking part in these acts, or by promoting them? Would you apologize to the 9/11 Truth Movement for trying to paint us all as crazies by focusing on the fringiest of the fringe?


The families we have disrespected? You must have us confused with David L. Griscom, who believes that many of the passengers on the four flights are still alive and living it up, courtesy of a fat Swiss bank account. Or perhaps David Ray Griffin, who still cannot let go of "Mom, this is Mark Bingham?" Or Dylan Avery, who talked about how one of the parents of a Flight 77 victim "sent his son off to die?" Or Cosmos, who doesn't believe that his "Uncle" Mickey was a hero on a hero flight?

The first responders we have disrespected? Maybe he's talking about Jason Bermas, who said, "Absolutely the firemen have been paid off?" Maybe he's talking about the new Ed Asner motion picture "Confession of a 9-11 Conspirator", which opens with a (fictional) fire chief confessing that he helped cover up the controlled demolition at the World Trade Center?

The fringiest of the fringe? Let's see, is he talking about Patty Casazza, who thinks that the government knew the time, date and targets of the attacks?


Is he talking about Bob McIlvaine, who thinks his son was blown up before the planes hit the World Trade Center? (Start about 7:10):


Is he talking about David Ray Griffin, the "guru" of the 9-11 Troof Movement, who believes that the families of the victims on Flight 93 were duped by voice-morphed actors playing their loved ones? Is he talking about Troof Movement superstar Richard Gage, who believes Muslims had nothing to do with 9-11? Is he talking about Jim Hoffman, who thinks the thermite was located inside the ceiling tiles?

The problem here is the notion that once you strip away all the nonsense, that there's anything really worth arguing about. If you accept that the hijackers were 19 pissed-off Muslims under the command of Khalid Sheikh Mohamed and Osama Bin Laden, and that there was no controlled demolition and that Flight 93 was not shot down, what's left to debate? If you want to argue that the warnings should have been sufficient and that the attacks could have been prevented but weren't because of incompetence, go right ahead. I disagree, as does Lawrence Wright and virtually everybody else who's looked hard at the evidence, but it's not a completely "fringe" position.

Ah, but there's the rub. Even the supposed reasonable "Truthers" don't believe that; it's just a bit of camouflage. They want to argue incompetence so they can turn around and argue that nobody could be that incompetent, and therefore the government had to know and so we're right back in conspiracy cuckoo land. Pardon me for not accepting your premise; in my opinion that's every bit as crazy as TV fakery and voice-morphing.

31 Comments:

At 23 February, 2011 13:30, Blogger putnamcountywv said...

Jon Gold,

Thanks for mentioning me you disgusting, pathetic, ogorish, eyesore of a human.

PS: Fuck Bob McIlvaine

 
At 23 February, 2011 14:30, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"We might be wrong..." ...might be?

"We might be wrong to think that our intelligence agencies should have known something was up because of the suspicious trading that took place prior to 9/11. Trading that they monitor"

They couldn't catch Bernie Madhoff WITH written warnings, so average trading was/is obviously beyond their capability.

"We might be wrong to think that the multitude of warnings our Government received prior to 9/11 should have caused people within the Bush Administration to warn the American public, and take precautions to make sure the attacks didn’t succeed."

Since the 1970s there have been constant threats against the US by terrorists. There were warnings prior to 9/11. They are ignored by the media because thet were issued by the State Department under the standard threat notifications channels.

"We might be wrong to think that a good friend of Dick Cheney’s, Lee Hamilton, someone known for covering up other things like the October Surprise, and the Iran/Contra Affair, should not have been made the co-chairman of the 9/11 Commission."

Translation: We don't like the outcome of the hearings therefore it was a cover-up.

"We might be wrong to think that the multiple wargames taking place on the morning of 9/11 caused confusion on the ground, and that ALL of them should have been thoroughly investigated."

You are wrong, and mentally ill.

"We might be wrong to think that the most defended airspace in the world should not have been left completely undefended 34 minutes after the second tower was hit, when everyone in the world knew America was under attack."

Most defended airspace in the world my ass. North Korea has that honor. We don't even shoot down drug smuggling planes on those rare occations that we find one.

"We might be wrong to think that either Dick Cheney, Richard Myers, Ralph Eberhart or Donald Rumsfeld somehow impeded the air response that morning."

Really? Rumsfeld was IN THE PENTAGON when it was hit. AA77's actual target was the White House, which was where Cheney was. There was a 50% chance that both men could have been killed on 9/11. So the idea that they had no interest in basic self preservation is lunacy.

"We might be wrong to think that the Bush Administration should not have done everything in their power to cover up possible Saudi Arabian involvement."

Except that we knew about Saudi involvement on 9/12/2001. The members of the Saudi royal family and Saudi intelligence involved all ended up dead. So what's your point?

"We might be wrong to think that Israeli spies in this country prior to 9/11 should have been investigated thoroughly"

That depends, if you're a fucking Nazi then no you're not wrong. Nazis are never wrong.

"We might be wrong to think that the Secret Service should have immediately moved the President out of Emma E. Booker Elementary that morning in order to protect him, the children, and the school faculty present."

Yeah, 'cuz then you'd have proof of conspiracy. The fact that the Secret Service kept the Presdient in FLA is an indication that the attacks of 9/11 were a surprise.

 
At 23 February, 2011 14:37, Blogger Ian said...

Brian should be here momentarily to tell you that you're worse than Stalin for daring to criticize Patty Casazza. HOW DARE YOU STOMP ALL OVER GRIEVING WIDOWS?

 
At 23 February, 2011 14:41, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"We might be wrong to think that the President should have immediately wanted to deal with the occurring crisis instead of continuing with a photo-op."

And then...

"We might be wrong to think that 9/11 should not have been used to take away our civil liberties, and start pre-emptive wars against countries that had nothing to do with the attacks."

Hey asshole, either you wanted the guy to do something or you didn't. Make up your mind.

"We might be wrong to think that the murder of 2,973 people should be treated as a crime instead of as an “act of war.”"

It was an act of war. Al Qaeda declared war on the US in 1999. You've just filled half a page full of questions demanding answers for why the government didn't take the terror threats seriously, and why there was no serious investigations into Al Qaeda activity prior to 9/11. Guess what, fuck face, the root answer to those question is that the US treated terrorism as a law enforcement problem, and law enforcement deals with terrorist much differently than the CIA or DoD. Make up your mind.

"...stop pretending like you know anything about 9/11 because you certainly do not"

Hello Pot? This is the Kettle, you're black.

"Would you apologize to all of the families you have disrespected? Would you apologize to all of the first responders you have disrespected? "

Pat's not the one aping the murder of their friends and loved ones to advance a politcal agenda. Pat's not the one emptying his political bowels in the memory of the dead.

"Would you apologize to all of the sincere members of the 9/11 Truth Movement you have slandered, harassed, and/or threatened? Either by directly taking part in these acts, or by promoting them? Would you apologize to the 9/11 Truth Movement for trying to paint us all as crazies by focusing on the fringiest of the fringe?"

The whole movement is a fringe. Just because your part of the turd doesn't have nuts doesn't mean that we ignore the corn.


" hmmm… are there any more debunkers than that?"

Yes, billions of us. It's just that we all have jobs and don't have time to waste with idiots.

 
At 23 February, 2011 14:49, Blogger Triterope said...

Oh sure, we might be wrong.

We might be wrong to trust the consistent results of multiple investigations done by large groups of trained professionals, rather than the work of lifelong conspiracy mongers and Internet amateurs who can't even agree on the planes/no-planes issue.

We might be wrong to think that "scientists" like Steven Jones should submit their work to minimal levels of independent scrutiny before they demand to be part of the discussion.

We might be wrong to think that certain factions of the 9-11 Truth movements should stop passing themselves off as "the victims' families" when their member rolls indicate they are no such thing.

We might be wrong to think that 9-11 Truthers should stop dishonestly quoting the 9/11 Commission Report, since we've explained context to them more than enough times by now.

We might be wrong to think that a group of people who genuinely believes the U.S. government killed its own citizens would produce angry protest marches, not TV fundraising commercials.

We might be wrong to think that ballot initiatives should not give unchecked superjudicial powers to people with no qualifications.

We might be wrong to think that important figures in government and mass media do not owe personal responses to confirmed fruitcakes like Cynthia McKinney, or to groups who routinely engage in the above forms of dishonesty.

And finally, we might be wrong to think Jon Gold's article is not a sincere admission of possible error on his part, but rather just a passive-aggressive insult, and an attempt to drag out his tired, discredited old memes one more time.

 
At 23 February, 2011 18:52, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Jon Gold is so fat, he shows up on radar.

Jon Gold is so fat, he has his own area code.

In fact, Jon Gold is so fat, he leaves footprints in dry concrete.

Have another hamburger, Jon.

 
At 23 February, 2011 20:20, Blogger Patrick said...

Jon,

Have you yet taken care of your sleep apnea? Get a CPAP mask, dude - it's a life changer. Trust me. Thereafter, maybe you won't be so scatter-brained.

 
At 23 February, 2011 22:24, Blogger 911truthinator said...

wow! the wunder kids made it on mainstrean media!

finally the truth is out there.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8bQhP_y5Rk

 
At 24 February, 2011 00:14, Blogger Billman said...

Sure, I'll apologize when Dylan Avery shoves another fork up his nose.

 
At 24 February, 2011 02:55, Blogger Dylan Unsavery said...

The enormous Jon Gold concludes:

In conclusion, I’d like to say that yes, we may very well be wrong.

Yes, you are wrong.

On the other hand, we may very well be right.

Nope, you're still wrong. This has been demonstrated over and over again.

If we are right, and I’m certain that we are, at least about SOME of it,

This is known as spraying shit and hoping something will stick. It is the mark of someone who is wrong.


would you Pat Curley, would you Mark Roberts, would you Ron Wieck, would you James Bennett, would you Troy Sexton, would you Jim Miegs, would you Michael Shermer, would you Chip Berlet, would you members of JREF… would you… would you… hmmm… are there any more debunkers than that?

Yes there are but what does it matter?

Of course not so stop pretending like you know anything about 9/11 because you certainly do not.

We may not know everything about 9/11, but to suggest we don't know anything about 9/11 is patently absurd. Good finish, Jon.

 
At 24 February, 2011 07:08, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

"Would you admit you were wrong?...and the answer is “of course not,” so stop pretending that all you want is another investigation blah blah blah ..." - Fat Gurgling

"There was no molten steel. The iron microspheres reported in the RJ Lee report could easily have been caused by the steelworkers using acetylene torches on the steel during the rescue operation." " -Twat Squirrely

"how retarded do you have to be [not to believe my unsourced statements about the iron]?"
-Scat Pouring

"Troy is my buddy" -Shat Swirley

Would you ever admit you were wrong, Pat?

 
At 24 February, 2011 07:27, Blogger Ian said...

I guess Dust Boy's latest attempt to lose his virginity failed, as he's back babbling about iron microspheres again.

 
At 24 February, 2011 08:56, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

I'm having a blast over at the A&E for 9/11 Truth facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/ae911truth#!/ae911truth/posts/160688600649624

Some retard named "Mark A Goldman" is getting his ass kicked around by me. Hilarious!

 
At 24 February, 2011 08:59, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

Andrew has nothing better to do except insult Pat's intelligence (which Andrew greatly lacks BTW).

 
At 24 February, 2011 09:40, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

"My uncle Mickey died on 9/11" -- Cosmos

"Oh wait, he wasn't really my uncle" -- Cosmos

"Don't talk shit about Jon. I love him." -- Cosmos

"Andrew, you need to get some help." -- Steven Bernstein

"Andrew, your mother and I are worried about you." -- Steven Bernstein

"Andrew, when are you going to move home and get your life back on track?" -- Nancy Bernstein

"No." -- every female Andrew has ever spoken to

Did you unban me from #truthaction yet, palsyboy?

 
At 24 February, 2011 09:44, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

Looks like Ian and his WAQ-y Testicles are all having trouble admitting Pat was wrong too.

Why is that?

 
At 24 February, 2011 09:59, Blogger Garry said...

More on the deep respect and compassion that truthers have for the 9/11 victims and their relatives:

http://www.911myths.com/LooseChangeCreatorsSpeak.pdf

And of course, there's also posing as a relative of a passenger on UA93 as well.

 
At 24 February, 2011 10:07, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Looks like Ian and his WAQ-y Testicles are all having trouble admitting Pat was wrong too.

What do you think Pat was wrong about? Was it anything significant, or was it just some nitpicky thing you can't let go of?

Call me, son. (215) 885-8280. We'll get you some help.

 
At 24 February, 2011 11:03, Blogger MarkyX said...

Jon Gold is so fat, that I went to try to drive around him on the street, I ran out of gas.

 
At 24 February, 2011 11:33, Blogger putnamcountywv said...

holy shit!!! Charlie Sheen is as high as a kite on the the AlexJones Comedy Show

 
At 24 February, 2011 11:34, Blogger putnamcountywv said...

Jones: You sounded like Thomas Jefferson there.

Sheen: Jefferson was a pussy


It gets better and better

 
At 24 February, 2011 11:35, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

"Fuck Bob McIlvaine" -Troy, poorly desguised.

"Fuck America" -Troy, angry at himself for abusing his kids in public.

"Troy is my buddy" -Pat Curley, proud of his friends.

 
At 24 February, 2011 11:40, Blogger Ian said...

Looks like Ian and his WAQ-y Testicles are all having trouble admitting Pat was wrong too.

Uh, Pat's not wrong. He's just being stalked by a loser who can't get laid.

 
At 24 February, 2011 11:41, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

"What is the source, Pat?" -- Cosmos, angry at the world for failing to notice him

"What is the source, Pat?" -- Cosmos, angry at himself for alienating his family

"What is the source, Pat?" -- Cosmos, humiliated at his shattered credibility

"What is the source, Pat?" -- Cosmos, jealous that Jon gets more attention

"What is the source, Pat?" -- Cosmos, resentful that some people really do have dead relatives

"Please, son. Come home. Your mother misses you." -- Steven Bernstein, worried that his son is spiraling out of control

 
At 24 February, 2011 11:50, Blogger Grandmastershek said...

Is he talking about David Ray Griffin, the "guru" of the 9-11 Troof Movement, who believes that the families of the victims on Flight 93 were duped by voice-morphed actors playing their loved ones?

Speaking of truther fantasy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujumL1d_L5E

Courtesy of Shure over on JREF

 
At 24 February, 2011 12:10, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Some additional Jon Gold humor:

Point out every inconsistent thing people have said. If a person says A and the same person says B, both A and B can not be correct.

You mean like when somebody says "I'm a family member, my Uncle Mickey died on 9/11" and then says "I never claimed he was my uncle?"

 
At 24 February, 2011 13:15, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

"Looks like Ian and his WAQ-y Testicles are all having trouble admitting Pat was wrong too.

Why is that?"

Andrew, you have no facts or evidence to prove anyone wrong. Live knowing how much of an idiot you truely are.

 
At 24 February, 2011 15:30, Blogger Garry said...

Cosmos walks into a bar, and orders six shots of vodka. The bar-tender pours them out, but asks him what he's celebrating.

Cosmos says 'I had my first blowjob today'.

The barkeep says 'Well congratulations. son. You get a seventh on the house'.

Cosmos says 'No thanks. If six of those bad boys don't kill the taste, what will one extra do?'

 
At 25 February, 2011 13:34, Blogger snug.bug said...

That's funny Garry, but it's old. It was going around twenty years ago and then it was about your mama.

 
At 27 February, 2011 16:10, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's funny, goat molester. And especially so when one considers that your parents are siblings.

 
At 28 February, 2011 13:49, Blogger snug.bug said...

Gosh Bill, how did you know? Your parents are (or were) siblings too, unless they were only children.

You strike me as the "only child" type.

 

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