Saturday, October 01, 2011

Thermite Simile of the Day

Truthers constantly amuse me with their characterization of the magical power of thermite. It is an incendiary, it is an explosive, it fights bad breath and removes stains! It is like watching those late night infomercials.
Subsequent testing of WTC dust samples established the presence of thermite, a high-powered incendiary that cuts through a steel beam like a lightning bolt through a stick of butter.

97 Comments:

At 01 October, 2011 10:27, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

"like a lightning bolt through a stick of butter."

WTF happened to the knife?

 
At 01 October, 2011 11:26, Blogger roo said...

I once had a truther tell me that CD companies will sometimes use thermite in addition to explosives to make the buildings come down faster.

 
At 01 October, 2011 12:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

PM reported in 1935 that thermite had been used to bring down a 600 foot steel tower in Chicago.

 
At 01 October, 2011 13:15, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

PM reported in 1935 that thermite had been used to bring down a 600 foot steel tower in Chicago.

Huh. Interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Ride

That indicates WTC7 was not brought down by thermite, since we now know that thermite demolitions cause the structure to tip to one side.

 
At 01 October, 2011 14:08, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 01 October, 2011 15:28, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker squeals, "...PM reported in 1935 that thermite had been used to bring down a 600 foot steel tower in Chicago."

LOL! Yeah, right nut-bag.

Skyride Tower Felled By Melting Steel Legs.

The article reads in part, "...Huge 'overshoes' in the form of cupolas made of steel and lined with firebrick were constructed around two legs of the towers and filled with 1,500 pounds of thermite, a mixture of aluminum and iron oxide. When fired by electricity the thermite generated a temperature of more than 5,000 degrees about the two legs, melting the two 10-foot sections almost immediately, causing the tower to tip and then crash."

November 1935 article in Popular Mechanics.

So goat fucker, how was all that thermite brought into the Towers--not to mention the containers to hold all that thermite--without a soul noticing the extensive construction work that would have been necessary to accomplish the "demolition"?

And since we know the Towers failed at the point of impact, how did the electrical wiring, which is necessary to ignite the thermite, survive the impact with the airliners and the subsequent fires?

Oh, that's right! The magic thermite elves and their evil accomplices, the modified attack baboons, did all that work while no one was watching. LOL! Or was it the evil "elevator mechanics," (never mind that elevator mechanics couldn't pull off this operation, either), who, for some unfathomable reason, decided to kill 3,000 of their fellow citizens? And since when do elevator mechanics seek employment as proxies for Al Qeada?

Bush and Cheney are amazing, aren't they? (And never mind that the idea of Bush and Cheney orchestrating the attacks is proven false when one realizes the attacks actually worked.)

Apparently you still don't understand Occam's razor or its implications.

All in a day's work for an Al Qeada apologist. Right, goat fucker?

So goat fucker, when do you plan to answer the following question: For an ass-clown with an alleged "scientific reputation," why do you live in fear of a Puerto Rican janitor?

And remember, you oily degenerate, I'm just askin' questions...

 
At 01 October, 2011 16:02, Blogger snug.bug said...

It must be quite frustrating to you to try so damned hard to prove how smart you are, and to fail so miserably at it.

 
At 01 October, 2011 16:11, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Says the 100% fact-free babbling of a sex predator, 5150 case, science illiterate and compulsive liar who wears women's underwear.

So goat fucker, when do you plan to answer the following question: For an ass-clown with an alleged "scientific reputation," why do you live in fear of a Puerto Rican janitor?

What would all your idiot, bogus "troofer" friends from the Ford Foundation think if they discovered that you refuse to answer questions?

And remember, you oily degenerate, I'm just askin' questions...

 
At 01 October, 2011 16:35, Blogger snug.bug said...

See what I mean?

 
At 01 October, 2011 16:58, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Yeah, I see quite clearly.

You're a double-dealing hypocrite who constantly demands answers to the "widows" alleged questions. You, on the other hand, steadfastly refuse to answer legitimate questions concerning your insane propaganda.

Why is that, goat fucker?

The only person who has "failed miserably" to explain the events of 11 September 2001 can easily be found if you'll take a moment to walk into your bathroom and have a good, long look in the mirror.

So goat fucker, when do you plan to answer the following question: For an ass-clown with an alleged "scientific reputation," why do you live in fear of a Puerto Rican janitor?

And remember, you slimy prevaricator, I'm just askin' questions...

 
At 01 October, 2011 20:11, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

And in 1933 a giant gorilla climbed to the top of the Empire State Building where he was (allegedly) shot off by attacking US Army Air Corps planes.

This poses many uncomfortable questions for the United State's shadow government.

1. The planes appeared in the sky immediately once the giant gorilla was attop the skyscraper, how did they get in the air so quick. It's almost like they knew the gorilla was going to get lose.(and don't give me the line that the old Army Air Corps planes were based right across the river line, we are dealing with some kind of facts here).

2.The giant gorilla traveled to the US under his own passport, and yet the CIA failed to tell the FBI. (and don't try to use the logic that the CIA wouldn't exist until 1947 either because everyone knows they developed a time machince in 1985).

3. The planes that supposedly shot the ape off the building used 30 caliber machine guns, yet the kill shots were from a .50 caliber. This clearly indicates a second shooter, probably from the RCA building.

4. How does a giant gorilla roam Manhattan without taking a dump? Obviously he was a trained gorilla.

5. Is is coincidence that a young Larry Silverstien had just bought the Empire State Building only a month before it was shot up in the counter-gorilla operation?

6. The gorilla was circumcized, indicating that it was a Mossad-trained-time-traveling-giant gorilla.

7. Did you know a second building on 2nd Avenue and 26th was destroyed in the attacks? Although it "appears" to have a subway car imbedded in the upper four stories something doesn't add up. The NIST failed to account for the strength required for a mountian gorilla to lob a subway car for any distance. They just assumed that a 60 foot tall gorilla could do this without running any extra tests. This invalidates their entire report.

8. The S.S. Venture (the ship that brought the giant gorilla to New York was owned by U.S. Rubber Company where Prescott Bush was manager of the foriegn division.

9. The gorilla live in a cave inside "Skull Mountain", Skull & Bones anyone?

10. Why isn't the skeleton of this gorilla on display at the Smithsonian? There are two chilling possibilities: The actual gorilla got away, and a patsy was killed in his place, or the body was destroyed to conceal vital evidence linking the US government to a Nazi, Empirial Japanese banana conspiracy.

These questions have never been addressed in any credible way.

 
At 02 October, 2011 10:19, Blogger snug.bug said...

Your inability to distinguish fiction from fact goes a long way to explain why you are so confused about 9/11.

 
At 02 October, 2011 12:34, Blogger Ian said...

It must be quite frustrating to you to try so damned hard to prove how smart you are, and to fail so miserably at it.

Poor Brian, he's reduced to squealing about how dumb other people are because he's a failed janitor who is the target of endless ridicule.

Your inability to distinguish fiction from fact goes a long way to explain why you are so confused about 9/11.

And he's also reduced to squealing about other people being "confused" about 9/11 when he believes in magic thermite elves, modified attack baboons, and invisible widows.

Life is tough when you're a failed janitor, but it's no reason to get angry at those who are smarter and more successful than you, Brian.

 
At 02 October, 2011 12:35, Blogger Ian said...

Also, +1 to MGF for the King Kong comment.

And I'll add that the real smile should be "like a death ray beam through a meatball on a fork".

 
At 02 October, 2011 12:44, Blogger snug.bug said...

Your inability to distinguish fiction from fact goes a long way to explain why you are so confused about 9/11.

 
At 02 October, 2011 12:56, Blogger Ian said...

Your inability to distinguish fiction from fact goes a long way to explain why you are so confused about 9/11.

So Brian, has your meatball on fork model been published in an engineering journal yet? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

 
At 02 October, 2011 14:09, Blogger snug.bug said...

Not my model. Petgoat's. No need to publish. It's axiomatic to anyone with any experience with physical reality.

 
At 02 October, 2011 14:14, Blogger Arcterus said...

MGF, that was one of the funniest things I've read all week. Thank you.

 
At 02 October, 2011 14:45, Blogger Ian said...

Not my model. Petgoat's.

You are petgoat, as only someone as dumb and insane as you could come up with such an idiotic idea.

It's axiomatic to anyone with any experience with physical reality.

See what I mean? You're insane enough to believe that your idiotic meatball model is "axiomatic", but that's just par for the course for a liar who wears women's underwear and wants to molest Willie Rodriguez.

 
At 02 October, 2011 16:31, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, the meatball model is indeed axiomatic, as the core of the building was built with a 3X to 5X safety factor to be able to take 60% of the weight of the entire building.

Since the weight of the upper core structure was considerably less than 180% to 300% of the weight of the upper structure that the core was capable of supporting, it follows that the weight of the upper core structure was not capable of taking down the core. Frictional forces would absorb any kinetic energy and the meatball is the result.

 
At 02 October, 2011 16:49, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, the meatball model is indeed axiomatic, as the core of the building was built with a 3X to 5X safety factor to be able to take 60% of the weight of the entire building.

The first rule of holes is when you find yourself in one, stop digging. At least that's the rule for normal people. For insane failed janitors and liars like you, I guess you want to keep digging until the shovel breaks, and then start using your bare hands.

Since the weight of the upper core structure was considerably less than 180% to 300% of the weight of the upper structure that the core was capable of supporting, it follows that the weight of the upper core structure was not capable of taking down the core. Frictional forces would absorb any kinetic energy and the meatball is the result.

See what I mean?

"it follows that the weight of the upper core structure was not capable of taking down the core."

I understand why your confused by this, Brian. After all, you're an unemployed janitor and shouldn't be expected to understand physics. But as someone who knows a lot more than you do (and is more handsome and successful than you), trust me when I tell you that you're wrong.

 
At 02 October, 2011 17:16, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

See, we in the MMIHoPs (Monkey Made It Happen) once embraced a similar theory called the "Banana on a Stick" theory. We ran into problems when we found that the theory didn't hold up when the banana was peeled. Then we ran into problems with frozen bananas.

Then someone suggested we try a fork to represent the core, but the problem is that the core is more like a stick, whereas a fork ahs four prongs extending from a main body. The core is central, it didn't branch out like a fork, so we threw that dumbass theory right out.

Meanwhile we're reviewing video trying to figure out if the giant gorilla fell at free-fall speed.

 
At 02 October, 2011 19:17, Blogger John said...

Your inability to distinguish fiction from fact goes a long way to explain why you are so confused about 9/11.

Your inability to distinguish serious debate from a joke goes a long way to explain why you are so confused about everything.

Ian, the meatball model is indeed axiomatic, as the core of the building was built with a 3X to 5X safety factor to be able to take 60% of the weight of the entire building.

See what I mean?

 
At 02 October, 2011 19:24, Blogger John said...

And in 1933 a giant gorilla climbed to the top of the Empire State Building where he was (allegedly) shot off by attacking US Army Air Corps planes.

And just a scant 12 years later, a plane hit the Empire State Building and failed to bring it down!!

Does the shadow government know that planes can't bring down buildings but giant gorillas can? WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?

"These giant gorillas could be everywhere!!" - Jesse Ventura

 
At 02 October, 2011 21:34, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

This is where it gets hinkey.

We at Kong for Truth belive that it was the invincibility of the Empire State Building that lead to the construction of the Twin Towers. They even changed the building codes in NYC to allow the towers to be built. The original specs said that the towers could survive impact by a 707, yet our extensive research (Dave on his little brother's iPad) discovered that "707" was a misprint. What they meant to say was it could survive a gorilla that stood up to 70 feet 7 inches in height.

In 1976 a second giant gorilla (using the same passport as the 1933 gorilla) scaled the Twin Towers and was again shot off (allegedly) by the Army. The damage to the towers was limited to Jeff Bridges screaming a lot. Oh, and they had to re-tile the plaza below from where the monkey hit.

Obviously the original plan was to crash a B-25 into the towers but the USAF anticipated this attack and retired the bombers some fifty years in advance. SMOKING GUN, the Air Force (and NORAD) obviously knew the attacks were planned all the way back in the late 1940s, otherwise why would they retire a prefectly good WWII bomber?

I'm all over this.

 
At 03 October, 2011 07:06, Blogger John said...

MGF FTW!

 
At 03 October, 2011 08:48, Blogger snug.bug said...

John, King Kong did not bring down the Empire State Building.

 
At 03 October, 2011 09:41, Blogger John said...

John, King Kong did not bring down the Empire State Building.

*facepalm*

Simply freaking unbelievable.

Ian, please take this one. I'm speechless.

 
At 03 October, 2011 11:25, Blogger Arcterus said...

The damage to the towers was limited to Jeff Bridges screaming a lot.

A helicopter also crashed into it. Of course, you fake Kongers never admit that.

 
At 03 October, 2011 16:33, Blogger Ian said...

John, King Kong did not bring down the Empire State Building.

Brian, what makes you think the Empire State Building survived the King Kong attack. Did Willie Rodriguez tell you that?

 
At 03 October, 2011 19:36, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"A helicopter also crashed into it. Of course, you fake Kongers never admit that."

See, this is what I'm talking about. Anybody who has watched the video knows that the explosion comes from the building - not the helecopter. Obviously there were explosives already planted in the building.

" snug.bug said...
John, King Kong did not bring down the Empire State Building
"

How do you know? There was never a credible investigation. Just because you cling to your failed belief that no building has never been brought down by a giant gorilla doesn't mean it didn't happen.

The ape fell in it's own footprint. Explain that, Brian.

 
At 03 October, 2011 22:13, Blogger GuitarBill said...

LOL!

 
At 03 October, 2011 22:56, Blogger snug.bug said...

MGF, the quality of you're punctuation reflects the quality of you're mind.

 
At 04 October, 2011 04:00, Blogger Pat said...

"See, this is what I'm talking about. Anybody who has watched the video knows that the explosion comes from the building - not the helecopter. Obviously there were explosives already planted in the building."

The Kong Truth Movement I belong to takes no position on the explosives in the building. We're just demanding answers to Fay Wray's and Jessica Lange's questions.

 
At 04 October, 2011 04:43, Blogger Ian said...

MGF, the quality of you're punctuation reflects the quality of you're mind.

I'd say this comment was tongue in cheek, but we all know Brian doesn't understand humor or irony.

Brian, go back to mopping floors. You're in way over your head here.

 
At 04 October, 2011 05:56, Blogger Arcterus said...

Goddamnit Ian, I was just about to point that out.

I almost want to think that was intentional. The irony was too sweet.

 
At 04 October, 2011 06:05, Blogger John said...

See, this is what I'm talking about. Anybody who has watched the video knows that the explosion comes from the building - not the helecopter. Obviously there were explosives already planted in the building.

Debunkers say that there couldn't have been explosives, because they wouldn't have survived the impact of the helicopter. But they don't know the first thing about Newton's laws or the laws of thermodynamics.

 
At 04 October, 2011 06:08, Blogger John said...

And what about the iron spheres found in the gorilla's hair? Pat says they're from the cutting torches used to remove the gorilla but he's a fat liar.

 
At 04 October, 2011 10:03, Blogger snug.bug said...

The funny thing here is that you guys actually think you're clever.

 
At 04 October, 2011 10:08, Blogger John said...

We are clever. I'll stake my scientific reputation on it.

 
At 04 October, 2011 10:23, Blogger Arcterus said...

I think you mean "your clever".

 
At 04 October, 2011 10:24, Blogger Arcterus said...

And that was a joke, Brian. Don't fucking correct me.

 
At 04 October, 2011 12:23, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"The funny thing here is that you guys actually think you're clever."

No, Bush/Cheney were clever. Skull Island is located in the Java Sea, just a short plane ride from Indonesia. No free thinking person can ignore Indonesia's role in both attacks.

Clearly the giant gorilla thing wasn't working, which lead to new develpoments using captured Nazi scientists. The end result?

Gentetically modified attack baboons!

They learned after the second ape attack on the WTC that instead of one giant ape they'd need a platoon of smaller attack apes. The baboon were bred for their thermite-handling skills and their knowledge of elevator shafts.

It's all so clear now.

Brain, if you want to think outside of the box you gotta go all the way out. You'd like it here, you can wear women's underwear anytime you want.

 
At 04 October, 2011 13:05, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

The funny thing here is that you guys actually think you're clever.

The funny thing about Brian Good is that he tells his life right in front of anonymous people on a daily basis. He thinks he's "clever" but he's not really that bright. Ask him a question and in response you'll get childish insults and be called "girls". His fetish of calling people "girls" lets us know that he's a pedophile.

 
At 04 October, 2011 14:04, Blogger John said...

They learned after the second ape attack on the WTC that instead of one giant ape they'd need a platoon of smaller attack apes. The baboon were bred for their thermite-handling skills and their knowledge of elevator shafts.

You are a Total Moron, you said you can be an Architect in 2 years of Junior College? Try again.

It takes a BA or MA in an Accredited University, then a 3 year Intern Developement Program in a Firm, then passing a test that takes 2 years to complete.

I bet you love Military Weapons??
You sound really stupid.

 
At 04 October, 2011 16:19, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"It takes a BA or MA in an Accredited University, then a 3 year Intern Developement Program in a Firm, then passing a test that takes 2 years to complete."

Yeah, but none of those guys are in AE for Troof. Lots of the 2 year guys though.

Also nobody cares.

"I bet you love Military Weapons??
You sound really stupid."

You're just upset because my Kong Conspiracy is just as fucking stoopid as anything the troofers have dreamed up... and just as plausible.

Maybe I'll go national, see if I can make more money than Griften, and Build What, or any of the other morons in the troof movement.

 
At 04 October, 2011 18:18, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

Wow, a scientific explaination for troofers:

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-10-track-reality.html

Why some people have a harder time keeping track of reality.

 
At 04 October, 2011 19:09, Blogger snug.bug said...

You a fine one to talk about others' credentials, Mr. They-Never-Taught-Me-About-Heat-of-Fusion Science Guy.

There are PhD architects and PhD engineers in AE911Truth. 50 structural engineers, 40 high-rise architects.

 
At 04 October, 2011 19:41, Blogger Ian said...

There are PhD architects and PhD engineers in AE911Truth. 50 structural engineers, 40 high-rise architects.

False.

There's one con artist and failed architect in AE911Truth. There used to be a failed janitor in AE911Truth too, but he was kicked out for stalking Carol Brouillet.

 
At 04 October, 2011 22:35, Blogger snug.bug said...

They've got 2 PhD architects and 46 PhD engineers. You live in a fantasy world.

 
At 04 October, 2011 22:38, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"There are PhD architects and PhD engineers in AE911Truth. 50 structural engineers, 40 high-rise architects."

Whoopdy fucking do.

I'd bet that in ten years I could produce more evidence that at least two giant gorillas tore through Manhattan than the AE911tards have in the last ten since 2001 proving explosives or conspiracy.

Consider this: On his passport, Kong stated his reason for coming to the US as "Show Biz", yet none of the Brodway or Screen Actors unions can ever find any records of a King Kong ever being a member. Yet this same gorilla gets his own show on Broadway? Who did Kong know? Was he a "cut out".

What about FBI warnings of gaint gorillas attending acting schools across the country? What was their motivation? How hard was it to send a stunt-ape up the Empire State Building, then play dead?

Why did the government allow several giant gorillas to leave the country without being questioned?

How was it that none of the 2500 investor-owners of the building were not in town on the day the ape climbed the tower?

You are blind to the 50-ton gorilla in the room, Brian.

 
At 04 October, 2011 23:09, Blogger snug.bug said...

This empty bravado reminds me of the Bushbots back in the days when the Iraq War was first going bad and they knew their guy was going to go down in history as about the worst president ever.

So all they could do was try to disguise their lies as humor.

 
At 05 October, 2011 04:33, Blogger Ian said...

They've got 2 PhD architects and 46 PhD engineers. You live in a fantasy world.

Squeal squeal squeal!

This empty bravado reminds me of the Bushbots back in the days when the Iraq War was first going bad and they knew their guy was going to go down in history as about the worst president ever.

Squeal squeal squeal!

Brian, we're not talking about George W. Bush. We're talking about your hilarious failed attempts to provide a shred of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. All you do is babble about magic thermite elves and meatballs and rakes.

So all they could do was try to disguise their lies as humor.

Squeal squeal squeal!

Brian, nobody here is lying but you. And we're laughing at you for your lies, your insanity, and your anger and bitterness towards us. After all, we're all successful adults capable of thinking rationally, while you're a failed janitor who wears women's underwear and believes in invisible widows.

 
At 05 October, 2011 04:47, Blogger Ian said...

Brian bringing up the Iraq War is telling for a number of reasons. One, it makes it clear that Brian is a truther because he hates the Bush administration, and not because of any evidence for the propositions put forth by the truth movement.

Two, we knew within weeks that there were no WMDs in Iraq and that the war was going badly. Yet 10 years later, there's still no evidence whatsoever for what the truthers claim happened on 9/11.

 
At 05 October, 2011 05:05, Blogger John said...

It takes a BA or MA in an Accredited University, then a 3 year Intern Developement Program in a Firm, then passing a test that takes 2 years to complete.

Sorry about that. Apparently my account was temporarily hacked by someone named cindy.

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=34827387&postID=116571418758943313

 
At 05 October, 2011 05:13, Blogger John said...

There are PhD architects and PhD engineers in AE911Truth. 50 structural engineers, 40 high-rise architects.

There also 500 zookeepers and anthropologists in ZAKONGTruth. What's your point?

 
At 05 October, 2011 07:34, Blogger Arcterus said...

They've got 2 PhD architects and 46 PhD engineers. You live in a fantasy world.

Brian, please how many PhD engineers/architects there are in the world. In fact, just tell me how many there are in the nation.

Then let's find out what percentage 2 and 46 are among architects and engineers, respectively.

 
At 05 October, 2011 08:40, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"This empty bravado reminds me of the Bushbots back in the days when the Iraq War was first going bad and they knew their guy was going to go down in history as about the worst president ever. "

Oh yeah?

When FDR was informed that the ape was on the tower...he just sat there... like he was in a wheel chair or something.

Then he used the Kong rampage to justify WWII, which lead to the creation of Israel, and began our relationship with the Saudi Royal family.

Oh yes, this Kong thing goes all the way to the top, man.

"
There also 500 zookeepers and anthropologists in ZAKONGTruth. What's your point?"

We've heard rumors that Jane Goodall will endorse our movement for a new investigation, and we are happy to spread these rumors even if we're the ones who started them in the first place.

 
At 05 October, 2011 08:51, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, once again you make up your facts. When I started investigating 9/11 in 2004 I was of the opinion that the world would be a better place if liberals were nice to George Bush.

John, my point is obvious: Ian's claim was a lie.

Arcterus, please advise how many architects and engineers are willing to stake their scientific reputations on the validity of the controversial conclusions of the NIST report. I think I've seen about 20. Then please identify how many of those have no conflicts of interest vis a vis NIST. I think I've seen about 0.

Polls show that 15% of citizens find the controlled demolition hypothesis to be credible. That would be 36 million adults. And yet only 15,000 of those adults have signed the AE911Truth petition. That's 2400 non-signers per signer--we should thus suppose that there are 3,840,000 non-signing architects and engineers in the USA--and probably from 3X to 10X as many, actually, because A/E's are more likely to be informed on the issues, they have the education to recognize the absurdities in the official claims, and because they put their careers on the line if they speak out.

You really need to get an education. You are clever, but that's not enough. Clever people who do not have disciplined minds get to be very good at deceiving themselves.

 
At 05 October, 2011 09:12, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...Arcterus, please advise how many architects and engineers are willing to stake their scientific reputations on the validity of the controversial conclusions of the NIST report."

Starting up the merry-go-round again, goat fucker?

We've already been over this, asshole, and your squealing and lying doesn't change a thing.

The conclusions and recommendations found in the NIST report were adopted and implemented by the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) AND American academia.

The ASCE has over 147,000 members.

If the ASCE disagreed with the conclusions of the NIST Report they would NEVER adopt the reports' recommendations. After all, the NIST Reports' recommendations INCREASE the cost associated with completing a project. And if you had one day of engineering experience (and you don't), you'd know that engineers are EXTREMELY reluctant to adopt any code, measure or recommendation that unnecessarily increases the cost of completing a project.

Our 147,000 ASCE members trump your hand full of lunatics and charlatans.

Do the math, Mr. Bogus "scientific reputation."

There are over 600,000 American scientists and engineers. It's alleged that A&E for 9/11 troof has a little over 1,500 members (And the vast majority of those members will not allow A&E 9/11 troof to release their names for fear of alleged "retribution"). The solution follows:

[1,500/600,000] x 100 = 0.25%

Thus, A&E 9/11 truth's "membership" doesn't rise to the level of statistical significance.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

Now get on with the squealing, dumbspam and bald-faced lying, asshole.

 
At 05 October, 2011 09:24, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker squeals, "...That's 2400 non-signers per signer--we should thus suppose that there are 3,840,000 non-signing architects and engineers in the USA--and probably from 3X to 10X as many, actually, because A/E's are more likely to be informed on the issues...[blah][blah][blah]."

Is this another example of your alleged "math skills," Mr. Bogus "scientific reputation"?

I hate to break this to you, shit-for-brains, but the number of scientists, architects and engineers residing in the US amounts to less than 1 million individuals.

As usual, your calculations are off by a country mile (or an order of magnitude, whatever comes first).

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 05 October, 2011 09:45, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, the fact that ASCE chose not to defy NIST's recommendations is irrelevant to the question I posed. Learn to read.

As usual, you croak from the wrong lilly pad, idiot. If 1600 out of 1 million is statistically insignificant, then 15,000 out of 240 million is even more statistically insignificant. And yet from the poll results we know that only 0.04 percent of those who find the CD hypothesis plausible sign the petition. We can expect that among engineers an even lower percentage of those who find the hypothesis plausible sign the petition.

Your intellectual deficits are your own and not mine. Have you considered a career in park maintenance? The physical work is healthy and you get lots of fresh air.

 
At 05 October, 2011 09:57, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Squeal squeal squeal!

How do you know the goat fucker is lying?

The answer is simple: He gives his lies advance billing as "fact" by using the vile phrase "the fact that."

One thing is certain: When the goat fucker writes "the fact that," facts never follow.

The goat fucker dissembles, "...If 1600 out of 1 million is statistically insignificant...[blah][blah][blah]."

Who said anything about "1 million"? Here's what I wrote, "...There are over 600,000 American scientists and engineers."

Get your lies straight, goat fucker.

That's why I make the big bucks, and you're nothing more than a lowly, failed janitor, sex predator and women's underwear sporting science illiterate who can't do elementary math without making huge errors.

Stick to cleaning toilets, goat fucker.

 
At 05 October, 2011 10:03, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Clearly, the goat fucker is so math illiterate that he doesn't understand why rounding up 600,000 to "1 million" renders A&E 9/11 "truth" even more insignificant than my estimation.

[1,500/1,000,000] x 100 = 0.15%

Good work, Mr. bogus "scientific reputation."

 
At 05 October, 2011 10:09, Blogger John said...

John, my point is obvious: Ian's claim was a lie.

I'm amazed you thought I was serious.

There are PhD architects and PhD engineers in AE911Truth. 50 structural engineers, 40 high-rise architects.

As I pointed out before, AE911Truth includes Anders Bjorkman who believes that no planes hit the Twin Towers or the Pentagon. claims that 30 stories of the twin towers would bounce off the lower stories and that WTC 7 was demolished by a vacuum.

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home/anders-bjorkman-s-world

Also considering that the leader of AE911Truth uses cardboard boxes to simulate the collapse of the Twin Towers (once again in bold: Gage uses cardboard boxes to simulate the collapse of the Twin Towers!) I have a hard time believing any of them.

I don't care if these people have multiple degrees. They're nuts.

 
At 05 October, 2011 10:10, Blogger snug.bug said...

You said "1 million". I see your usual tactic: when you make a fool of yourself you then start a long obfuscatory argument by denying that you said what you said. Then you'll go into semantical contortions desperately trying to convince yourself that you're not wrong. You're a waste of time.

You quibble about arithmetic to obscure the mathematical point: If there are 36 million who find CD plausible, and only 15,000 of them sign the petition, then we can expect that the pool of building experts who find CD plausible is much, much, much larger than the 1600 who have the courage and honesty to speak up about it.

Since there are

 
At 05 October, 2011 10:18, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...You said "1 million"."

Lying again, goat fucker?

Of course you're lying. After all, lying is all you know.

I wrote "less than 1 million individuals." (See my post at time stamp 05 October, 2011 09:24 for proof that I'm telling the truth).

The last time I checked

600,000 < 1,000,000

Thus, we have more proof that you can't read. Is it any wonder why you're so confused about the events of 11 September 2001? After all, you're an illiterate with a double-digit IQ.

Do you see why you can't be trusted, goat fucker?

Get your lies straight, goat fucker.

 
At 05 October, 2011 11:01, Blogger snug.bug said...

You said a million. You said "the number of scientists, architects and engineers residing in the US amounts to less than 1 million."

Now you're going to argue for three says that you didn't say it. You're going to argue for a week that $1.95 is not two dollars. You don't seem to understand that when we're talking about 0.04 percent of something it doesn't matter if it's 600,000, a million, or 3 million. The answer is essentially the same. And the answer is not the point. The fact is the point--only 0.04 percent of those who find the CD hypothesis plausible have signed the petition. We can expect that percentage to be even lower among architects and engineers.

You lie even when (technically) you're telling the truth.

 
At 05 October, 2011 11:25, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...You said a million. You said 'the number of scientists, architects and engineers residing in the US amounts to less than 1 million.'"

Context--you illiterate sex stalker--CONTEXT!

Idiot.

The goat fucker squeals, "...You don't seem to understand that when we're talking about 0.04 percent of something it doesn't matter if it's 600,000, a million, or 3 million. The answer is essentially the same."

And that statement is proof positive that you're a math illiterate. Apparently ACCURACY means nothing to a failed janitor, sex predator and women's underwear sporting science illiterate who can't do elementary math without making huge errors. Good work, Mr. bogus "scientific reputation."

And now we enter into the second phase of every debate involving the goat fucker: Frantically bury his latest humiliating defeat in an avalanche of squealspam and dumbspam.

You're as predictable as you are dishonest and a hypocrite.

 
At 05 October, 2011 11:37, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker squeals, "...You don't seem to understand that when we're talking about 0.04 percent of something it doesn't matter if it's 600,000, a million, or 3 million. The answer is essentially the same."

So did you try that specious rationalization on your bonehead elementary math instructors before they showed you the door at Foothill Junior College?

 
At 05 October, 2011 12:11, Blogger snug.bug said...

Real scientists know the difference between mathematics and arithmetic. Your inability to distinguish information from data goes a long way to show why your career has been such a failure.

 
At 05 October, 2011 12:31, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's right, goat fucker, CHANGE THE SUBJECT and do your Ollie North routine--you self-important gas bag.

And you didn't answer my question, liar: "...So did you try that specious rationalization on your bonehead elementary math instructors before they showed you the door at Foothill Junior College?"

Close only counts in hand grenades and horseshoes--you silly fucker.

You couldn't pass a high school course in bonehead algebra.

 
At 05 October, 2011 14:22, Blogger John said...

Fuck the difference between arithmetic and mathematics, if there is any. What about these giant gorillas? They could strike at any time!

 
At 05 October, 2011 17:29, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, once again you make up your facts. When I started investigating 9/11 in 2004 I was of the opinion that the world would be a better place if liberals were nice to George Bush.

You also claim you're not petgoat, so forgive me for pointing out what a liar you are. You're a paranoid far-left burnout from the 1960s.

Polls show that 15% of citizens find the controlled demolition hypothesis to be credible.

Polls show 50% of citizens find creationism to be credible. So basically, 3 times as many people believe that loony, evidence and logic-free proposition than do yours. That's how much of a failure the "truth" movement is.

 
At 05 October, 2011 20:04, Blogger Arcterus said...

Brian, you only make yourself look ridiculous saying things like "you need to get an education." The complete lack of self-awareness ranges from hilarious to pitiful. I doubt there is a single subject I could not whoop you in with my knowledge. My education is going perfectly fine. You're the retard who can't even get his own bullshit consistent.

 
At 05 October, 2011 22:08, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 05 October, 2011 22:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, unless you can show come correlation between creationism and 9/11 truth, your comparison is only empty rhetoric.

In fact the assumption is justified that there us a reverse correlation--that truthers are likely to be in the rational 50%. Which then suggests that 30% of the rationals find controlled demolition plausible. And we can assume that the 60% have never even looked at the evidence. As you haven't. You claim there is no evidence.

Arcterus, your belief that it is about knowledge instead of education is laughably like Bill's belief that it is about arithmetic and not mathematics.

As I said: the clever but undisciplined mind ultimately succeeds only in deceiving itself.

 
At 06 October, 2011 08:26, Blogger Arcterus said...

So you're suggesting that knowledge and education have no correlation?

By the way, I'm a member of Phi Theta Kappa and will probably be transferring to NYU in after next semester, so my education is sound, bitch. How's that janitor bit working out for you?

As I said: the clever but undisciplined mind ultimately succeeds only in deceiving itself.

Take out the "clever" part and that describes somebody here pretty well.

 
At 06 October, 2011 08:35, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"Arcterus, your belief that it is about knowledge instead of education is laughably like Bill's belief that it is about arithmetic and not mathematics.

As I said: the clever but undisciplined mind ultimately succeeds only in deceiving itself."

This is comedy gold.

I'm the second funniest guy here.

BTW, 100% of the troofers I surveyed think there's something to my King Kong theory. That I only asked on troofer, who was stoned, does not change this statistic.

 
At 06 October, 2011 09:37, Blogger John said...

Arcterus, your belief that it is about knowledge instead of education is laughably like Bill's belief that it is about arithmetic and not mathematics.

As I said: the clever but undisciplined mind ultimately succeeds only in deceiving itself.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chVPi-CZ34E

 
At 06 October, 2011 11:02, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 06 October, 2011 11:18, Blogger snug.bug said...

Arcterus, subjective self-evaluations of knowledge have no correlation with objective evaluations of education.

I can't tell you how many idiots I've met who confuse their own certainty about their irrational beliefs with reality. Ian, for instance, or GutterBall, or MGF, or WAQo.

The janitor bit worked out very well for me. It helped me pay my expenses when I was in college and it introduced me to an architect who was in a position to help me in my subsequent career. I included my janitorial experience on my resume and some of my employers expressed admiration of my willingness to get my hands dirty. (Though you really don't get your hands dirty in the work. It's really easy--you empty the trash, you shine up the chrome and the stainless, you clean the glass, change the toilet roll and the paper towels, and that's about it. Willie, for instance, probably just picked up the cigarette butts and condoms, and probably wore surgical gloves while he did it.)

Congratulations on NYU. What you don't understand is that what's important while you're there is not the "knowledge" that you accumulate, but the exposure to ideas and the practice of thinking so that you can go on learning and growing your entire life. Don't confuse education with merit badges.

MGF, your survey only shows your failure to comprehend science. I've known people like you who were afraid to finish their undergraduate degrees because unconsciously they knew that if they did, their fantasies about their post-graduate careers would prove untenable. One of them stopped just shy of a music degree because he knew, subconsciously, that this would make him a piano teacher for life. He ultimately got a history degree and went on to one of the most prestigious law schools in the world.

 
At 06 October, 2011 11:40, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"MGF, your survey only shows your failure to comprehend science. I've known people like you..."

I assure you that you've never met anyone like me.

"The janitor bit worked out very well for me. It helped me pay my expenses when I was in college and it introduced me to an architect who was in a position to help me in my subsequent career"

...male prostitute?

I note you don't say that you graduated. Also, beauty college doesn't count.

"MGF, your survey only shows your failure to comprehend science"

!00% of the one troofer I allegedly talked to. If I'd surveyed 2, and one didn't believe then the number drops to 50%

That's mathmatics, not science.

Duh.

"Congratulations on NYU. What you don't understand is that what's important while you're there is not the "knowledge" that you accumulate, but the exposure to ideas and the practice of thinking so that you can go on learning and growing your entire life"

What YOU don't understand is that if he didn't already understand that bullshit NYU wouldn't let him in.

Is this why you got kicked out of college?

 
At 06 October, 2011 11:56, Blogger snug.bug said...

MGF, you're only proving my point.
What makes you think I got kicked out of college? Are you projecting?

 
At 06 October, 2011 11:56, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

I can't tell you how many idiots I've met who confuse their own certainty about their irrational beliefs with reality. Ian, for instance, or GutterBall, or MGF, or WAQo.

Irrational beliefs?

Brian, unlike you all of us aren't hopped on drugs all the time. Nor do we reject any evidence that you reject. You have no fucking clue as to what reality is. You got kicked out of the Truth Movement because you shown how violent you are, you stalked other Truth members, you sexually harassed Carol, the list goes on and on.

Brian, the reality you live in is what we would like to call paranoid personality disorder. You also have shown us that you're bi-polar too.

 
At 06 October, 2011 13:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 06 October, 2011 14:29, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 06 October, 2011 14:30, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 06 October, 2011 18:22, Blogger snug.bug said...

See what I mean? These guys live in a world of their own imaginings.

As I recall it, WAQo actually claimed he had emailed Carol and as he reported it she did not validate his allegations.

 
At 06 October, 2011 18:34, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, unless you can show come correlation between creationism and 9/11 truth, your comparison is only empty rhetoric.

Yes, there is a correlation: you have to be a hopeless fanatic or slack-jawed imbecile incapable of rational thought to believe either. You and Michele Bachmann, Brian. Peas in a pod.

In fact the assumption is justified that there us a reverse correlation--that truthers are likely to be in the rational 50%. Which then suggests that 30% of the rationals find controlled demolition plausible. And we can assume that the 60% have never even looked at the evidence. As you haven't. You claim there is no evidence.

See what I mean?

 
At 06 October, 2011 18:36, Blogger Ian said...

I can't tell you how many idiots I've met who confuse their own certainty about their irrational beliefs with reality. Ian, for instance, or GutterBall, or MGF, or WAQo.

My, such squealing!

Brian, you've never met me. I have far more important things to do than sniff glue and babble about invisible widows on the streets of San Francisco.

 
At 06 October, 2011 18:39, Blogger Ian said...

MGF, you're only proving my point.
What makes you think I got kicked out of college? Are you projecting?


Brian, you have no point. Also, it's obvious you failed out of college since you're utterly incapable of coherent thought. You probably did too much acid and damaged your brain.

As I recall it, WAQo actually claimed he had emailed Carol and as he reported it she did not validate his allegations.

See what I mean?

These guys live in a world of their own imaginings.

This is hilarious coming from someone who believes "widows" have "questions".

Brian, what makes you think there are widows with questions? Did Willie Rodriguez tell you that?

 
At 06 October, 2011 18:41, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, the widows have questions. They gave 300 questions to the 9/11 Commission and they only got 27 answers.

You are out of touch with reality.

 
At 06 October, 2011 18:46, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, the widows have questions. They gave 300 questions to the 9/11 Commission and they only got 27 answers.

Brian, your belief that the widows have questions is amusing. You make up your facts.

You are out of touch with reality.

My, such squealing!

 
At 06 October, 2011 20:14, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, you lie. The 9/11 widows only got 27 answers to their 300 questions.

 
At 06 October, 2011 20:29, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, you lie. The 9/11 widows only got 27 answers to their 300 questions.

False. The widows have no questions.

 
At 06 October, 2011 21:36, Blogger snug.bug said...

You lie.

 

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