Waterboy's Presentation to the Nation of Islam
Wow, it's like traveling back in time to the original Loose Change:
Labels: Alive Hijackers, crazy theories, Kevin Ryan, Nation of Islam, Put Options
posted by Pat @ 7:25 PM
138 comments
138 Comments:
LOL I still laugh whenever I think about Kevin Ryan's article on the put options, how suspicious he thought it was that large trades were broken up and distributed to multiple brokers. How nefarious! What are those evil overlords up to?
Of course he had actually bothered to ask anyone who works in finance he would have found out that this is completely normal, in fact quite common.
James, abc news would seem to disagree with your sanguine evaluation: "The week before the attack, virtually unheard of numbers of puts were sold for United Airlines and American Airlines, which operated the four hijacked planes; Morgan Stanley, the investment bank which occupied more than 20 floors in the now-destroyed twin towers; and a number of other companies that were adversely affected by the tragedy and whose stocks plunged as a result. 'This would be one of the most extraordinary coincidences in the history of mankind if it was a coincidence,' Dylan Ratigan of Bloomberg Business News said today on ABCNEWS' Good Morning America."
http://web.archive.org/web/20010928103413/http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/WTC_Investigation010920.html
Also the SF Chronicle:
"On one day, UAL put option purchases were 25 times greater than the year-to-date average. In the month before the attacks, short sales jumped by 40 percent for UAL and 20 percent for American."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/09/29/MN186128.DTL
Good God man, it has been 10 years, believe it not we have learned more since then incomplete stories that came out in the first few days. Read all of the 9/11 Commission memos on the subject and get back to me with any questions.
And comparing trading days of derivatives by percent increase is meaningless. On the whole they are not a very liquid market, so quantities vary greatly.
Once again, if any of you people had any idea what you were talking about you would understand this kind of stuff.
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'Good God man, it has been 10 years, believe it not we have learned more since then incomplete stories that came out in the first few days.' James Homonym
Some would see this word salad as 2really stupid mistakes by someone who begs not to be taken seriously. But it's actually a Freudian Slip and 1 really stupid
mistake.
For their next trick, Pat and James will show us how the source of financing for a mass-casualty event is of little practical significance. cue the clown car!
"Once again, if any of you people had any idea what you were talking about you would understand this kind of stuff." James 'we have all the forensic evidence' Bennett.
Coming from someone whose scientific opinion about the dust evidence was 'all sorts of crap burns in fires'.
It makes you SO convincing, JamesBoy. Say something scientastic again. This time for Pat!
You're going to get Carpel Tunnel Syndrome with all that hand-waving, James. So James B says "quantities vary greatly". Dylan Ratigan calls it "one of the most extraordinary coincidences in the history of mankind".
Any number of experts were quoted as saying that the numbers were quite striking. But on Planet James, there's nothing to see here because ... well, just because he says so.
God you people are dense. Read the commission memos, all of this "extra" activity was due to a couple of financial newsletters. Somehow Truthers want us to believe that some evil New World Orders, upon finding out the dates of the attack, decided to run out and publish tips in public financial newsletters, so as to make other people a couple of million dollars.
Do these theories even make sense to you? It is like monkeys throwing crap at walls.
Coming from someone whose scientific opinion about the dust evidence was 'all sorts of crap burns in fires'.
In other words, you are still unable to refute cutting torches as the origin of the iron microspheres. Even Intelligent Design retards aren't that stupid.
All sorts of crap does burn in fires. Truthers like to make these stupid pretenses to perfect knowledge. They are like Intelligent Designers who insist even the slightest unexplained point entirely disproves the theory of evolution.
RGT, please explain how microspheres from cutting torches got to the Brooklyn Bridge at 9:40 a.m. on 9/11 before cutting operations had commenced.
They are like Intelligent Designers who insist even the slightest unexplained point entirely disproves the theory of evolution.
Yep. "That which I cannot explain is must be overt action." It's logic devoid of reason.
Fly ash, you dolt!
Oh yes, the fly ash that wasn't used in the concrete.
I remember the first time Pat failed like this: he was so impressed with GoiterBile's babbling that he actually abandoned his original, unsourced, nonsensical explanation (the one he called people 'retarded' for not believing), and went with an even less plausible, more preposterous one. I guess if you admire Gutterball that much...
...and they STILL want us to take them seriously when it comes to the science. Give it up, idiots. Go join Mark Roberts in cowardly self-exile. He never dared talk about the science, because he knew he would sound as stupid as you do. Together you can be Mole, Bennie, and Curley, the 3 stooges of 9/11.
Pat, I've never seen any evidence provided that fly ash was used in the concrete at the WTC. In the past I calculated that had fly ash been used, it would have contained many thousands of tons of iron microspheres, and I pointed out that not only would these have represented unnecessary dead weight in the lightweight concrete, their value as scrap would exceed the cost of the fly ash itself, and they could easily have been extracted by using ordinary industrial electromagnets such as are used on cranes in scrapyards to move steel.
Uhh, not to point out the obvious, but there is a lot more evidence that fly ash is used in concrete than there is that supermagiconanothermite is used in covert building demolitions.
Another amazing non-argument from James.
Lookie! Fly ash is used in concrete (nevermind it wasn't at the WTC), and I don't know much about nanocomposites, so I'll call them MAGICAL! I'm a DEBUNKER!!
Another amazing non-argument from James.
And another clumsy dodge from Cowardly. Well done, sodomite. Intellect like yours has made the 9/11 Truth Movement what it is today.
Clue: watch this short film by ScootleRoyale, AKA Scott Burnan, World's Smartest Man, AKA the Porn Mouth of Bournemouth. Stupid as he is, even he has figured out the Microsphere Mystery.
Here we go again!
The trolls--Pat Cowardly and the slimy goat fucker--have managed to hijack another thread.
When will you get it through your thick skulls, Pat and James?
THEY ARE DELIBERATELY TRASHING YOUR BLOG!
Wake up! Pull your head out of your ass and ban them.
What evidence/proof is there that fly-ash was NOT used in the WTC's concrete?
"RGT, please explain how microspheres from cutting torches got to the Brooklyn Bridge at 9:40 a.m. on 9/11 before cutting operations had commenced"
This presumes the iron micro-spheres weren't there on 9/10/2001. It's a steel bridge, only an idiot would assume they weren't always there.
MGF, how would you get microspheres on an iron bridge? You think they sat there on that rail for 120 years?
"What evidence/proof is there that fly-ash was NOT used in the WTC's concrete?
...because all I need is the POSSIBILITY of fly ash, not confirmation of it!!!!"
-Len, noted critical thinker.
-Len, noted critical thinker.
Len is correct. The scientific method requires one to rule out the plausible (fly ash, cutting torches) before considering the absurd (thermite with magical properties).
Did you watch this video yet? The Trowbridge Troofer (AKA The Wise Man of Wiltshire) confirms cutting torches as the source of the iron microspheres.
It seems Pat and James have SHUT THE FUCK UP again on this thread, after being thoroughly humiliated yet again on 'teh fly ash!!1' argument.
Too funny.
Wanted
Person to babysit Richard "Box Boy" Gage. Must be down with the twoof and be familiar with Steven Jones's tiny iron balls.
No salary -- volunteer position only.
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How about it, Brian?
Shit-for-brains scribbles, "...because all I need is the POSSIBILITY of fly ash, not confirmation of it!!!!"
Really? No kidding?
Where's the "evidence" for the presence of "iron microspheres" at Ground Zero?
Show me the spectra for the "iron microspheres," which will consist of one--AND ONE ONLY--peak for iron (Fe)?
You can't? Then may I suggest that you STFU?
Working backward from a predetermined conclusion and cherry picking the evidence in support of your predetermined conclusion is not science.
So where are the spectra?
I won't hold my breath waiting for your evidence.
It seems Pat and James have SHUT THE FUCK UP again on this thread,
The iron microspheres came from cutting torches. It is thoroughly documented and proven.
Your continued failure to refute this point constitutes concession.
RGT, your proposition that cutting torches caused the microspheres at the Brooklyn Bridge before the cutting operations had even commenced is irrational and unscientific. Your repetitive claims of absurdities seem to indicate that you've been studying at the Ian School of Rhetoric. A poor choice.
ButtGale, since the general quality of discourse is so low at this site, it's unreasonable for you to expect us to call them "iron-rich microspheres" instead of "iron microspheres". Your quibbling is silly, and the fact that you think dishonestly-framed challenges are clever only demonstrates your feeble intellect.
Lying again, goat fucker?
Iron-rich and alumino-silicate microspheres were found at Ground Zero. Both are a byproduct of office fires and both were anticipated by the investigators.
You're trying to con the reader by deliberately omitting the word rich from iron-rich microspheres. The deliberate omission is made in order to offer the "thermitic reaction" con as "the only probable explanation," where you'll point to the following thermitic reaction as the source of the mythical "iron microspheres:"
Fe2O3 + 2Al → Al2O3 + 2Fe
But that's a con because the iron-rich microspheres are not composed of elemental iron (e.g., "iron microspheres"), they are, in fact, composed of many elements including oxygen, potassium, aluminum, iron and most problematic of all, silicon.
And as long as the microspheres are composed of the aforementioned elements your "thermitic reaction" is just so much bullshit.
So where are the spectra to support your pseudo-scientific claptrap?
I won't hold my breath waiting for your alleged "evidence."
Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.
Petgoat squealed:
"microspheres at the Brooklyn Bridge"
What was the concentration of microspheres in the Brooklyn Bridge dust sample?
Wow. James and Pat really got killed again on this thread. No wonder they ran off.
And look at who they have "defending" their nonsense, and how effectively they're doing it. Yikes...
So much for Mole Bennie and Curley actually 'debunking' anything. Better send in the Z-team to make them look smart by comparison. Go Testicles! Go Gutter Boy!
Cowardly, why don't YOU tell us how YOU think the microspheres got there. Do you think they came from thermite planted by mass-homicidal ninjas during a demolition setup operation that went unnoticed by 50000 building occupants and staff? In other words, are you as stupid and insane as Brian?
If you ever get tired of microspheres, what are you going to do with the rest of your life?
Shit-for-brains whines, "...Go Gutter Boy!"
That's not an answer--you lying sucker of Satan's cock.
Where are the spectra to support your pseudo-scientific claptrap?
You have the RJ Lee Report, so it should be child's play to produce the spectra in support of your "iron microspheres" malarkey.
Go for it, shit-for-brains.
And look at who they have "defending" their nonsense, and how effectively they're doing it.
The confirmation of cutting torches as the source of iron microspheres invalidates any thermite fantasies. That's 100% effective.
You realize you're beaten, you're just putting on a brave face.
"The confirmation of cutting torches as the source..."
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Better tell Pat and GB they're 'retarded' then, because they said it was fly ash!
Make up your alleged minds, debunkers!
Better tell Pat and GB they're 'retarded' then, because they said it was fly ash!
After three years of thermite-worship, you're now saying it was fly ash. Bravo. You're failing in ways I've never seen a Troofer fail, and that's saying something.
Shit-for-brain prevaricates, "...Better tell Pat and GB they're 'retarded' then, because they said it was fly ash!"
No, that's not what I said, shit-for-brains. I've told you repeatedly that the microspheres originate from MULTIPLE SOURCES, including the clean up operation, the concrete (fly ash is a component of lightweigh concrete), the fire and ordinary background dust which is produced by everything from automobiles to coal burning power plants.
Learn to read, shit-for-brains.
And you failed to answer my question, shit-for-brains: Where are the spectra to support your pseudo-scientific claptrap?
Answer the question, coward.
I find it amusing that Truthers (such as our well established Brian Good) haven't got the faintest clue that their Movement was doomed to FAIL (like the 9/11 Commission they always said "failed") from the start.
As I sit here pondering the sanity of Brian and his ilk, I just have to sit back, relax and just LMFAO at their stupidity.
Is 10+ yrs. of your life worth peddling non-factual evidence? According to Brian, yes, yes it's worth being a shitstain on his mothers matress.
Hmmm... nothing from James and Pat on their most recent failures.
I wonder why?
Maybe they think RGT and GB are doing a good job speaking for them?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's not an answer, shit-for-brains, it's an evasion.
Answer the question: Where are the spectra to support your pseudo-scientific claptrap?
RGT hit the nail on the head when he wrote, "[y]ou realize you're beaten, you're just putting on a brave face."
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Well, at least your handle is appropriate, Cowardly.
Hmmm... nothing from James and Pat on their most recent failures.
James and Pat are kind, intelligent people. They're not going to ridicule you simply because of your disorganized thinking.
I've lost track -- are you now in the fly ash camp or the thermite camp? Please clear that up before you disappear for the day. No idea why you fall asleep five hours before everybody else.
Cowardly is an appropriate name for a loser who has no self-respect, dignity or sanity.
Trolls are just trolls. If you want to kill it, don't feed it. I mean just ignore the jackass and it'll slowly go away.
Trolls are just trolls. If you want to kill it, don't feed it. I mean just ignore the jackass and it'll slowly go away.
That only works when the troll is properly socialized. A couple of the trolls here have difficult, abusive and self-abusive personalities. Might as well slap them around if they're not going to leave anyway.
RGT wrote, "...That only works when the troll is properly socialized. A couple of the trolls here have difficult, abusive and self-abusive personalities. Might as well slap them around if they're not going to leave anyway."
Yep, if they refuse to listen to reason, subject them to never-ending ridicule.
Sounds good to me.
RGT, PC didn't say the spheres came from fly ash. He said Pat and James said they came from fly ash.
I used to think you were intelligent.
That only works when the troll is properly socialized. A couple of the trolls here have difficult, abusive and self-abusive personalities. Might as well slap them around if they're not going to leave anyway. - RGT
Slap stick comedy! That never fails to leave a mark on society. :-D
RGT, PC didn't say the spheres came from fly ash. He said Pat and James said they came from fly ash.
What's this about a fly ass?
What's this about a fly ass?
And termites eating through a steel-framed building? I am so sure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_ash
Fly ash material solidifies while suspended in the exhaust gases and is collected by electrostatic precipitators or filter bags. Since the particles solidify while suspended in the exhaust gases, fly ash particles are generally spherical in shape and range in size from 0.5 µm to 100 µm. They consist mostly of silicon dioxide (SiO2), which is present in two forms: amorphous, which is rounded and smooth, and crystalline, which is sharp, pointed and hazardous; aluminium oxide (Al2O3) and iron oxide (Fe2O3). Fly ashes are generally highly heterogeneous, consisting of a mixture of glassy particles with various identifiable crystalline phases such as quartz, mullite, and various iron oxides.
How do you like that, it included aluminum oxide and iron oxide.
Brian seemed to MISS that part or IGNORED it.
And termites eating through a steel-framed building? I am so sure.
Yeah, those steel eating nano-termites can wreck a steel building in mear seconds.
;-)
I find it funny that Jones, Harrit, and Roberts have not submitted their paper, with samples, to independent labs for verification.
I wonder what they have to hide.
Hey Brian, what are they hiding?
Toothless and WAQo, an independent lab has confirmed Jones and Harrit's findings.
an independent lab has confirmed Jones and Harrit's findings.
Then you shouldn't have a problem with which lab tested them. If indeed it's true. If not then you shouldn't come back with the name of the lab.
BTW Brian,
I know you have this fascination about me being WAQ. Well unless you've got some evidence that I am him, I'm going to continue to laugh at you for being the idiot I love.
The Duchess of Palo Alto lies, "...an independent lab has confirmed Jones and Harrit's findings."
Bullshit.
"MGF, how would you get microspheres on an iron bridge? You think they sat there on that rail for 120 years?"
There's never been an investigation so there's no way to know.
It's hilarious to watch the last two truthers left continue to babble about iron microspheres. They have nothing left, so they'll just post about this. Even Brian knows not to spam us about his "widows" anymore.
Even Brian knows not to spam us about his "widows" anymore.
Catch the tail end of this thread. snug is seriously guided by the widows' voices, even when they're not talking to him. Kinda... weird.
RGT,
As usual, Jon Gold seems way too reasonable for the truth movement. It's like he knows that the conspiracy theories are nonsense, and yet he can't bring himself to leave. It reads like an atheist still trying to bring himself to believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ because that's what he always believed.
And Brian, of course, is completely insane and and thinks the widows are speaking to him in code, or something. No wonder he can't have a normal relationship with women.
Or to make further use of the religion analogy, Jon Gold is an Episcopalian who shows up to church twice a year, Richard Gage is Jimmy Swaggart, and this blog is Christopher Hitchens.
And Brian Good is a snake-handling pentecostal.
I agree with GB, Cosmo & Brian's posting history is 1 single argument, "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CHANGE THE SUBJECT!!!".
I see I'm not missing anything.
Right, Billman. You're not missing anything because you don't even know it's gone.
Right, Billman. You're not missing anything because you don't even know it's gone.
Squeal squeal squeal!
Poor Brian. He's even a laughingstock among truthers.
And when did you become an expert on what truthers think, Ian? Are you too a "former" conspiracy loon?
All this talk, and not a single peep from Pat and James, who can't agree on where all that melted iron came from.
Fat Pat has even put forth 2 explanations, both impossible. James is too cowardly to commit to 1, so he hides behind his 'anomalies' gibberish. Where's the 'debunking'?
RGT shows everyone he's illiterate (again), TAW says he loves Snug, and SpamMasterDrek shows up to say nothing, per usual. No one even reads Ian's or GB's posts anymore, so who knows (or cares) what they're sputtering these days?
All this talk, and not a single peep from Pat and James
"Pat. James. Iron." Right on cue, the Tourette Troofer shows up again.
You already conceded cutting torches as the source (which ScootleRoyale confirms) before changing your vote to fly ash. You must be severely mentally retarded if linear thought gives you this much trouble.
LMAO!!! This awesome. Must be the result of the lack of anything getting done ont heir end, Gage's pandering to the NoI, & the new study that will no doubt show Harret's ramblings for what they really are...a collection of nobodies getting "published" by nobodies.
And when did you become an expert on what truthers think, Ian? Are you too a "former" conspiracy loon?
I became an expert on what truthers think by reading this blog and by reading the thousands of pages of dumbspam you've posted here over the years. Are you saying that the views of Richard Gage, David Ray Griffin, Kevin Barrett, and Jon Gold are not in the truther mainstream? Who are the mainstream truthers, then?
Also, when I was 16, I didn't buy the government story about TWA 800, so I guess I had a phase of conspiracy thinking, but I outgrew it as I learned how to consider evidence and think clearly. I'm not a mental 16-year-old anymore, while so much of the truth movement is.
You, of course, aren't even mentally 16. You're more like a mental 8-year-old, with the calling people "girls" and all that. That's why you need your parents to take care of you.
Cue Brian babbling about how people saw a missile traveling towards TWA 800, even though no evidence of that missile exists, and no missile impact was found in the wreckage of that aircraft.
Hmmm...
Still nothing substantive from anyone.
Boy I hate being right all the time.
I'm still wondering why, if everyone's favorite unemployed virgin in a black t-shirt is "right all the time", he still hasn't gone to the authorities with his evidence of controlled demolition and the cover-up. It's been over 10 years already.
Still nothing substantive from anyone.
You're saying this isn't substantive?
Hmmm... nothing from James and Pat on their most recent failures.
I wonder why?
Maybe they think RGT and GB are doing a good job speaking for them?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmmm...
Still nothing substantive from anyone.
Boy I hate being right all the time.
Yeah, it must be so hard to do as much masturbating to your own awesomeness as you do in the 15 seconds you actually give anyone to respond before declaring yourself the master of thread commenting... better eat some protein to regrain some strength before you go another heavy round of masturbating before you reply, in the third person yet again, to this comment.
"Shillman" out.
Pat Cowardly didn't respond quick enough! That makes me ruler of the internet and the official story is true by default! 9/11 troof is over!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Wow, he really ran away from this argument, didn't he?!
Even Li'lBoy couldn't save this thread. Pat and James were thoroughly pummeled yet again, and so were their cockpuppets. This isn't a 'debunking' site, and it never was.
I now give you permission to continue to post no substantive refutations of the evidence that contradicts what you want to believe.
You're welcome.
And hurry! You're dying to be made an example of!
I now give you permission to continue to post no substantive refutations
I presented substantive evidence. You never refuted it. You therefore lost, your self-declarations of victory notwithstanding.
OT, but here is another controlled demolition:
http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/historic-bridge-gone-in-seconds-28390249.html
Funny how the explosives make loud noises, unlike Brian Good's secret silent explosives. Also, they didn't use thermite to destroy the bridge for some odd reason.
More spam from the idiots. You're really scraping bottom now.
And RGT still thinks cutting torches put the dust on the bridge that was collected within 20 minutes of the collapse.
Too funny.
Keep posting guys! The more you spew, the less it helps Pat and James. Enjoy the effects of your "debunking"!
Cowardly, I'm just going to ask the question.
You first appeared here not long after Pat ridiculed ScootleRoyale in a post. Your fixation with Pat and James is quite personal. Scootle shares your fixation on a statement Pat made about cutting torches. Scootle is a vehement anti-no-planer. Scootle uses many of the same effeminate Anglicisms that you do. Scootle uses many of the same terms ("pummel", "thoroughly", "debunk" in quotes) and odd capitalisations that you do. Like you, Scootle is obsessed with evidence, science and skepticism (9/11 Troof) vs. theories, pseudoscience and pseudoskepticism (everybody else). Scootle's Facebook updates often coincide with your appearances here. You disappear at about bedtime in the UK. Your stock insults (obesity and unemployment) reflect Scootle's Facebook anxieties (his unemployment since 2011 and his morbidly obese sister).
What's really odd: you're extremely reluctant to rub my face in any Scootle-based evidence, even when I make a false claim and literally invite you to do so. Much like one who doesn't want to call attention to themselves.
Cowardly, are you ScootleRoyale? If I'm wrong just say so.
Cosmo loves being right about being off topic? I would say thats new, but sadly its par for da twoof.
If Pat Cowardly is "ScootleRoyale", I need to change the way I mock him. He's still a scrawny unemployed virgin in a black t-shirt, but he doesn't have an ugly beard. Judging by his photos, he probably couldn't grow a beard if he wanted to.
Oh, and he's a climate change denier too. Typical conspiracy theorist: they fall for one, they fall for them all.
I guess the "PC is Scootle"tack is just the argument of someone who doesn't have one otherwise.
I guess the "PC is Scootle"tack is just the argument of someone who doesn't have one otherwise.
Well, at least we don't have to guess who you are, Brian. You've documented yourself very well all over the internet, with your thousands of pages of dumbspam about Willie Rodriguez, Craig Ranke, Kevin Barrett, magic thermite elves, and invisible widows. You've been banned everywhere for being a liar and lunatic and sex stalker. You come here because it's the only place that hasn't banned you. Of course, you get mocked here, and then you get upset, start squealing, and call everyone "girls".
And of course, there's the photo of you doing your best homeless lunatic impersonation:
http://911scholars.ning.com/profile/BrianGood
"even when I make a false claim..."
Now we have the spammer cockpuppets openly admitting that they spread lies here, instead of "debunking".
If Pat and James ever had any credibility, you would've just destroyed it even further. Congratulations.
Aren't I also Cosmo or was that just Pat and SpamDisasterDrek being stupid (or intentionally lying) again?
Who I am shouldn't concern you. Your lying about a mass-murder should.
And of course, Brian ran away squealing and crying when I asked him to back up his assertion that liars like Laurie Van Auken and Mindy Kleinberg are "widows".
"And when did you become an expert on what truthers think, Ian? Are you too a "former" conspiracy loon?"
Troofers are simpltons, they're not like the Flouride-In-The Water nutswho freak out over something invisible.
Troofers are an ad hoc religion. They believe in a 9/11 consiracy on faith alone. Like reigions troofers have splintered into sub-denominations depending on which lies they chose to believe.
Brian is a sexual preditor. Most likely the one or two times he had sex was during an anti-war rally back in the 1970s, and combined with his damaged mind he imprinted the experience to recreate. 9/11 troof gave him a new playground to stalk women - which has been documented. he admits to coming into the 9/11 troof movement late, most likely becuase he's an idiot.
Pa Cow has daddy-issues which is evidenced by his constant need for attention from older men. Maybe one day he'll realize he can make money doing this.
Troofers are the Teletubbies of conspiracy loons. They come out of their holes to giggle and point but nothing really happens. To them this is progress.
"Troofers are simpltons..." (sic)
I love it when you idiots do all my work for me.
...but I do wish someone would prove me wrong. Just once.
Now we have the spammer cockpuppets openly admitting that they spread lies here, instead of "debunking".
You failed to spot a deception. You continued to fail as the deception was made progressively obvious. You are stupid and gullible, and correctly feel humiliated.
MGF, you are only projecting your own crippled faith-based epistemology on others, and you lack the self-awareness to recognize that you haven't grown, you haven't changed, you've simply adopted a new set of faith-based beliefs. You really, really, really, need to challenge yourself and get out of Watsonville.
Your belief that invisible things are inherently harmless is counter to conventional scientific knowledge. Cyanide is as invisible as Fluoride is.
Now RGT is scrambling to save face
& undo his own idiocy. Too bad there's no Edit menu for his type of failure.
And I'm actually GutterBile this week, if you hadn't noticed. Next week I'll be JamesB again, doing my best to look like a lying douchebag. Don't forget: all sorts of crap burns in fires. That's the scientific method!! I'm a DEBUNKER!! YESSSS!!
Shit-for-brains, why are you going out of your way to avoid my question?
Answer the question: Where are the spectra to support your pseudo-scientific claptrap?
How many times must I ask that simple question?
Oh that's right! You don't have a shred of evidence to support your idiotic conspiracy theory.
My bad.
Now RGT is scrambling to save face & undo his own idiocy.
The science of 9/11 is beyond your grasp. You need to leave the topic to qualified people like Pat and James. I suggest you study this for a while instead, it's more your speed.
MGF, you are only projecting your own crippled faith-based epistemology on others, and you lack the self-awareness to recognize that you haven't grown, you haven't changed, you've simply adopted a new set of faith-based beliefs. You really, really, really, need to challenge yourself and get out of Watsonville.
I love it when Brian uses blustery phrases like "crippled faith-based epistemology" in a desperate, hysterical attempt to seem intelligent and well-read, instead of a failed janitor and lunatic who wears women's underwear and believes in magic thermite elves.
It's also hilarious that he thinks people care what he has to say.
Your belief that invisible things are inherently harmless is counter to conventional scientific knowledge. Cyanide is as invisible as Fluoride is.
Invisible widows and magic thermite elves are also counter to conventional scientific knowledge. It doesn't stop you from endlessly babbling about them.
Skidmark, the only one babbling about invisible widows and magic thermite elves is you.
Skidmark, the only one babbling about invisible widows and magic thermite elves is you.
So are you finally conceding that Laurie Van Auken and Mindy Kleinberg are not widows? It's about time you faced reality. Your claim that they are widows is irrational and a sign of your hysterical, evidence-free epistemology.
The skidmark thinks it's funny.
Next, Ian will be denying gravity, evolution, and the Shoah. Facts are powerless against him
Not bad for a jobless idiot. No wonder Pat admires his work so much.
Pat and James apparently like to surround themselves with self-proclaimed liars and deniers of proven verifiable facts.
Why in the world would they do that, if they know they're knowingly spreading lies?
Not many plausible answers, are there?
Pat and James apparently like to surround themselves with self-proclaimed liars and deniers of proven verifiable facts.
What on earth are you on about now?
Exactly, RGT. Exactly.
Good for you!
Exactly, RGT. Exactly.
No, seriously. Who's lying about what? You suck at this game, so just answer the question.
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Translation: Cowardly is finally learning his place.
Shit-for-brains whines, "...Pat and James apparently like to surround themselves with self-proclaimed liars and deniers of proven verifiable facts."
Speaking of "self-proclaimed liars and deniers of proven verifiable facts," why do you continue to avoid my question, Pinocchio?
Where are the spectra to support your pseudo-scientific claptrap?
After all, you claim the RJ Lee Report provides evidence of foul play at Ground Zero, so it should be child's play to produce spectra in support of your "iron microspheres" malarkey.
Continued failure to answer the question is proof of your dishonesty and irrational, evidence-free epistemology.
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Shit-for-brains wrote, "...Next, Ian will be denying gravity, evolution, and the Shoah."
LOL! Nice job, Mr. Ebonics.
Tell us more about conjugation of a verb.
Now "Eric Fapton" is here to try to salvage some of Pat and James' dignity, but there's none left, and he looks completely impotent yet again.
Why not ask Pat and James for their sources, fastass? Afraid you'll be ignored?
That's not an answer, Captain Homonym, it's an evasion.
Answer the question: Where are the spectra to support your pseudo-scientific claptrap?
So far, all you've managed to prove is your utter lack of evidence to support your idiotic ideas.
Is this outcome at all surprising?
Probably not. LOL!
Why not ask Pat and James for their sources, fastass?
Pat and James are pretty good about sourcing. Even snug.bug sources his weird ideas with facts sometimes. You're the only one demanding sources and never (ever) citing any.
The skidmark thinks it's funny.
Squeal squeal squeal!
I see you have no evidence that Laurie Van Auken is a widow.
Next, Ian will be denying gravity, evolution, and the Shoah. Facts are powerless against him
It's hilarious that a 9/11 truther, whose arguments are exactly like those of Holocaust deniers, global warming deniers, evolution deniers, vaccines-cause-autism types, etc.
It's also telling that you think that I don't have a job. See, for educated, experienced people, finding a job after losing a job is normal. For someone like you who was fired from Burger King, it's tough to find anything else. No wonder you think losing a job is the end.
And yet you provide no evidence that you have a job. We all know that means you don't have one, and are trying to put on a brave face, like admitted liars GB and RGT.
The lying just doesn't end around here, does it?
"Pat and James are pretty good about sourcing."
Good thing you admitted being a liar earlier in this thread, or else someone might actually believe that idiotic, un-sourced lie.
Are you trying to outdo Ian and Fatass Fapton as the most worthless posters here? Newsflash: that title belongs to Pat and James, and despite your best efforts, there's nothing you can do about it.
Keep trying though. It's entertaining to people who can actually put one thought in front of the other.
Keep trying though. It's entertaining to people who can actually put one thought in front of the other.
You've started drinking. I can tell.
Anyway, are you denying that you're ScootleRoyale?
And yet you provide no evidence that you have a job. We all know that means you don't have one, and are trying to put on a brave face, like admitted liars GB and RGT.
Man, this is really all you've got, huh? I guess when you're an ugly, scrawny, zit-faced virgin twit babbling about nonsensical conspiracy theories and getting laughed at for it, you need, something, ANYTHING to strike back at us. It's hilarious.
I'm not even sure how to prove such a thing. A scanned W-2? Why the fuck would I put sensitive personal info on the internet? My Facebook page doesn't even come up in Google searches because I've set it that way.
Captain Homonym whines, "...It's entertaining to people who can actually put one thought in front of the other."
Really? No kidding?
Here's your vaunted thermitic reaction, Captain Homonym:
Fe2O3 + 2Al → Al2O3 + 2Fe
See the 2Fe? According to your evidence-free epistemology, that's the source of the alleged "molten steel," which would in turn produce the mythical "iron microspheres."
Now answer the question, Captain Homonym: Where are the spectra to support your pseudo-scientific claptrap?
You have the RJ Lee Report, which you claim is evidence of foul play at Ground Zero, so by all means show me the spectra that verify the presence of "iron microspheres."
You can't?
Then may I suggest you SFTU?
And learn to conjugate a verb--you brain-dead gerund abuser.
Still a whole lot of nothing from liars and the unemployed.
How pathetic.
Captain Homonym squeals, "...Still a whole lot of nothing from liars and the unemployed...How pathetic."
Translation from cretinspeak:
I don't have a shred of evidence to support my conspiranoid delusions.
Still a whole lot of nothing from liars and the unemployed.
Squeal squeal squeal!
So how is the new investigation into 9/11 coming?
Still a whole lot of nothing from liars and the unemployed.
Have you ever met Gerry Burnan, OBE, of 9 Comfrey Close, Trowbridge, BA14 0XP?
Please be honest. It's wrong to lie.
"...even when I make a false claim..." -RGT
"It's wrong to lie." -RGT
Survey says: Douchebag.
"So how is the new investigation into 9/11 coming?" -Ian
Translation: I was laid off and have no job, because my superiors didn't think I was worth keeping, so I spend a lot of time at SLC now. Someone please kill me deader than Hugh Curley.
Today I have been accused of being both a "right-wing nut" and a "liberal fag" by weak-minded people trolling my YouTube videos. Obviously I can't be both... -- Scootle Royale, The Wise Man of Wiltshire.
I especially love this photo. A beautifully stacked woman standing next to him, and he's playing with his V for Vendetta toys. Here's a boy clearly not ready for manhood.
Captain Homonym squeals, "...Survey says: Douchebag."
Translation from cretinspeak:
I still don't have a shred of evidence to support my conspiranoid delusions.
Captain Homonym squeals, "...I was laid off and have no job, because my superiors didn't think I was worth keeping, so I spend a lot of time at SLC now. Someone please kill me deader than Hugh Curley."
Translation from cretinspeak:
Since my argument is 100% fact-free, it's important to change the subject and engage in irrelevant speculation and vicious character assassination. I guess that's the way it goes when you're a lying tosser who can't support his idiotic ideas with facts or hard evidence.
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Still a whole lot of nothing from liars and the unemployed.
How pathetic.
And yet, still no new investigation. How about that.
RGT, maybe some guys aren't as turned on by bruised cheekbones as you are.
ce"MGF, you are only projecting your own crippled faith-based epistemology on others"
Nope. I'm not projecting anything. I'm like a former professional athlete who does color commentary during the broadcast of a sport he once played. I know your playbook. I know the game.
"... and you lack the self-awareness to recognize that you haven't grown, you haven't changed, you've simply adopted a new set of faith-based beliefs."
This goes to my point. Conspiracy Loon tactic #127:
When trapped in a corner, use the skeptic's words against them. It doesn't matter if you make no sense. You're smarter than they are [ at least you think you are ].
A sociopath will have problems with #127 because they rarely make sense anyway [ see anything Brian Goode has ever written on the internet].
MGF, you don't even know any truthers. I asked you what was the source of your expertise, and you said it was your experience as a conspiracist. That is the very definition of projection--you project yourself on others you know nothing about.
I'm not trapped in any corners. You are. You opine about stuff you clearly know nothing about.
"MGF, you don't even know any truthers."
Actually I did. When they launched into how 9/11 was an inside job I cut off all association with them.
"I asked you what was the source of your expertise, and you said it was your experience as a conspiracist. That is the very definition of projection--you project yourself on others you know nothing about."
No. First off no body with any intellect can use the words "Expertise" and "Conspiracist" in the same sentence. People become conspracists because they have no expertise. People who have the ability to understand facts don't buy into conspiracy theories for very long.
Conspiracy Loons fall easily into sub-categories:
Naive-But-Well-Meaning People - Guy like me who make the mistake of assuming the "experts" in whichever conspiracy actually know what they're talking about.
Naive - Delusional : If it's on the internet it must be true
Idiots
Con-Artists: Look at how many books there are for JFK. Then look at the sad growing pile of 9/11 troof/BS. Almost every subset within the troof movement has their own sets of books. Their authors count on the feeble minded to buy their books. The Mike Gravel thing is a prime example of exploitation of large groups of idiots. His new target is the Occupy Movement.
When I see someone in a "911 was an Inside Job" t-shirt I see someone who deserves to have his money taken from him.
The Mentally Ill/60s Acid Casualty:
This last group is where you fall into. One of the things I've learned over the years is mentally ill people don't believe in UFOs, Aliens, Ghosts, or Bigfoot. However when those subjects come up they are quick to suggest a CIA/Government conspiracy. Jim Mars is a high-functioning paranoid. He's best known for his JFK books, but he branched out into UFOs, secret underground bases in Antarctica, and the New World Order. Why? Because he cannot help himself.
In my work I deal with the mentally ill frequently, and almost all of them believe the CIA is behind everything including their mental disorder. They believe the CIA is this massive, all-knowing-all-seeing body which spares no expense to shape the world in their image.
Sound familiar?
So while you're in your current corner you should wear your pointy tinfoil hat.
Cowardly and Brian are just pissed off that they can't get evidence to show that their theories are correct.
It's always evasions, quote-mining and childish insults.
Check this out about Brian:
http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=7307
Cowardly and Brian are just pissed off that they can't get evidence to show that their theories are correct.
It's always evasions, quote-mining and childish insults.
Don't forget the third person commenting, like there's some imaginary audience that's on the fence about 9/11 and Fat Cunttwatly's little tantrums are the tipping point for their total conversion to twoofism.
"Check this out about Brian:
http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=7307"
Buwahahahahahahaha!
This thread just underscores Brian's malfunction. He argues just to argue. It's a mental flaw.
He argues against questionable eye witnesses when anybody else would point to the 767 wreckage INSIDE the Pentagon (the entire plane was recovered and nobody noticed it being snuck into the building before hand).
CIT is the easiest sub-theory to upend. No wonder Brian ran away from a debate with the CIT guy.
Ian said...
RGT,
As usual, Jon Gold seems way too reasonable for the truth movement.
That's a very nice thing to say at this blog considering its history:
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/04/slc-starts-draft-jon-gold-for-president.html
Or what SLC fan Chris Manners aka Conspiracy Smasher wrote:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070702021415/http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/2007/05/jon-gold-for-president-of-hell.html
I know this was posted at screwloosechange a few days ago, but I felt compelled to show it again here to highlight my contempt for this appalling creature. Gold is the classic ideologue; no information, factoid or witness can change his mind that 9/11 was an "inside job." Facts are things to be twisted until they conform to his world-view. If you try to debate or challenge him, his response is standard - he bans you from his site.
Sometimes, evil looks exactly like you'd expect; fat, ugly and wearing facial hair.
Your comparative open mindedness is to be commended, Ian.
What another fan of SLC, Jaye Powers aka Unsecured Coins has to say about Jon Gold:
http://www.kcbastards.com/bbpress/topic/129
It too long to copy/paste. Starts out readable, then goes down hill:
I’m probably going to the well a tad more than I should be, but this was too good not to get a mention. I’d file this one under “Delusions of Adequacy”
Yes, we have another member of the 9/11 Truth Squad who is a proud recipient of the Golden Nozzle this week. Let me just point out that I do not give these out just because you believe 9/11 was an inside job – your beliefs do not warrant your name on this award because if it did every single religious minded person in existence would get one and my columns would suck even more than they do now. No sir, you have to EARN your Bag, and Jon Gold here has done just that.
Jon Gold is a rare Truther. And I don’t mean rare as in going into extinction though that argument could very well fly too… I mean he’s rare as in he’s one of the few Fighting Keyboardists who actually unass their chairs and go do something about it, cause by god he’s mad as hell and he ain’t gonna take it anymore! For this I give him full marks as he is willing to put up with a little sunshine on his pasty white truther skin in order to get his message out. He fancies himself an activist, one who laughs at the threat of being arrested on a misdemeanor and risks hours spent in jail and spending thousands of pennies in court costs to get his message out.
Once again, full marks. His delivery… well, he could use a lesson or two.
The problem with Jon Gold is in his self appointed titling of Savior and Guardian of the Entire Known Fucking Universe (SAGotEKFU) he also thinks he is entitled to a 15 minutes of fame that self replenishes every time he gets booked. It may be true that there is no such thing as bad publicity, whoever the fuck is running his PR department needs to be beaten with as many blunt objects one can muster. Case in point – Last year Jon Gold was arrested for the heinous crime of “crossing a police barrier” and while the cops on scene showed great restraint in not summarily executing him on the spot for this dastardly display of civil disobediance that is far worse than child rape, murder, and being Justin Bieber, Gold was arrested and spent 2 years days in jail before being sentenced to death time served and fined 300 dollars...
This Jaye guy is supposed to have two 'no planers' as close friends so don't know where he gets off with his tude. Just another fake in the 911 circus. Ho hum.
This Jaye guy is supposed to have two 'no planers' as close friends so don't know where he gets off with his tude. Just another fake in the 911 circus. Ho hum.
What's your point? That skeptical people CAN'T POSSIBLY have truthers as friends? Hell, I have them in my own family...
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