Basile Study Funded
Truther Mark Basile has been looking for $5000 in funding for a fully independent test of the WTC dust, and he has finally reached his goal.
We look forward to hearing the results.
posted by Pat @ 4:45 PM
31 comments
31 Comments:
I've been for years calling for blind testing of the chips.
What's the latest on Dr. Millette's tests? Did anyone replicate his results? Will he be published anywhere? Did he ever break down and do the DSC that would have been necessary to confirm that his chips were the same as Dr. Harrit's?
Oh, and where's Willie Rodriguez, anyway? He ran away screaming and crying after I exposed his hero story as a fraud, and he hasn't been back.
I've been for years calling for blind testing of the chips.
Perhaps you should have chipped in.
I've been for years calling for blind testing of the chips.
The chips have been tested, Brian. As expected by real truthers (i.e. not you), they turned out to be a mixture of Uranium-235 and burnt baboon fur, which, along with the essential mysteries, is more proof that the WTC was destroyed by micro-nukes planted by modified attack baboons.
Oh, and where's Willie Rodriguez, anyway? He ran away screaming and crying after I exposed his hero story as a fraud, and he hasn't been back.
Brian, the only thing you've ever exposed is your microscopic pecker to a disgusted Carol Brouillet.
Also, I'd like to remind you that nobody cares about your "widows" or their "questions".
RGT, Brian can't afford to pay for lab tests of chips. He can't even afford a decent haircut!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!
Brian, the only thing you've ever exposed is your microscopic pecker to a disgusted Carol Brouillet.
Ian, you may think that your lies are funny, but that doesn't change the fact that just yesterday I flashed my shrivel-dick at an octogenarian in Golden Gate Park.
I warned y'all years ago that your tolerance for lies was going to rot your minds.
LOL! Brian thinks the DSC was necessary because the authorities in forensic chemistry (truthers) said it was.
FYI Brian, Millette presented before an actual academic conference in the field. Far more than any of the clown car of truth has done.
The "scholars" still boil down to fringe crackpots publishing in fake journals and crying on youtube.
The DSC was necessary because Dr. Millette said there were four different kinds of chips and only by showing energetic behavior in the DSC could Millette show that his chips were the same type as Dr. Harrit's chips.
The DSC was necessary if Millette was to replicate (or fail to replicate) Harrit's tests.
At what academic conference did Millette present?
Oh, and who has replicated Dr. Millette's results? And why won't any peer-reviewed journal publish him?
Oh, and where's Willie? He ran away screaming and crying after I showed that his hero story was a lie, and now it seems he can't get an audience or any media coverage in the USA. I hope Elvis is all right!
Oh, and who has replicated Dr. Millette's results? And why won't any peer-reviewed journal publish him?
Why would this be necessary? As I said above (and you ignored like a typical Bushcist), the chips were analyzed by Dr. Berevtov Szanitiy and found to be mostly U-235 with some carbon, oxygen, and hydrogen (from the burnt baboon fur).
Oh, and where's Willie? He ran away screaming and crying after I showed that his hero story was a lie, and now it seems he can't get an audience or any media coverage in the USA. I hope Elvis is all right!
Nobody cares about the homosexual obsessions of a failed janitor who lives with his parents and can't afford a decent haircut.
BTW, Brian, we're approaching the 5th anniversary of when you first appeared on this blog to post your hysterical squealspam about "widows".
I'm planning a big celebration acknowledging this, and all of your accomplishments here.
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No one but truthers claim such is necessary in that regard. Provide us with the source of such a protocol that isn't already predisposed to "truth". Secondly, Millette has no need to replicate it. In fact there is no need for any rebuttal in general given the antics Jones and co. pulled in their supposed peer review process. As they stand, they posited some claims on the internet, that's it. No doubt we will get similar results from Basile.
From what Chris Mohr has said on JREF, Millette has more pressing professional matters than to try to settle the case of the magic thermite, which truthers already deem a fraud, even before the results came out.
Millette presented before the American Academy of Forensic Sciences in 2012. Millette got up in front of his peers at a conference for experts in the actual field of forensics, presented his findings, subjecting himself to the scrutiny of actual experts, and putting his professional reputation on the line. Meanwhile, Jones & co. hide on the internet, "publishing" in fake journals, and appealing to other conspiracy theorists. I wonder how many professional societies in demolitions, fire science, structural engineering, or forensics Jones & co. has either petitioned or been asked to present at?
http://www.mvainc.com/2012/01/13/feb-20-25-2012-american-academy-of-forensic-science-aafs-2012-annual-meeting/
GMS, the reason replication of results is a usual part of scientific epistemology is obvious.
Whatever Millette's pressing duties, I find his lack of scientific curiosity to be quite astounding? His refusal to run the DSC suggests that he has got the results he wants and he's afraid the DSC might tell him something he doesn't want to know--for instance, that his chips are energetic and thus his claim of a lack of elemental Al is suspect, or that his chips are not energetic and thus may not be the same as Dr. Harrit's chips.
So thanks for confirming that Dr. Millette's work has not been replicated and that nobody will publish it--not even, apparently, the AAFS.
And GMS, pray tell, how does one go about "hiding on the internet"? It seems to me that presenting in closed, apparently undocumented proceedings better fits the definition of "hiding" than does publishing where anyone can read the paper for free.
Well, I see Brian won't respond to my points because he knows I've pwn3d him once again.
And another day goes by without a single question from the widows being answered.....
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GMS, the reason replication of results is a usual part of scientific epistemology is obvious.
Indeed it is, as is a real peer review, or some other form of actual academic scrutiny. We are still waiting for that from Jones, and as a result the burden of proof still lies with Jones.
Whatever Millette's pressing duties, I find his lack of scientific curiosity to be quite astounding?
Scientific curiosity is not limited to your religious beliefs.
His refusal to run the DSC suggests that he has got the results he wants and he's afraid the DSC might tell him something he doesn't want to know--for instance, that his chips are energetic and thus his claim of a lack of elemental Al is suspect, or that his chips are not energetic and thus may not be the same as Dr. Harrit's chips.
Again, cite the source independent of "the truth" that such a protocol is necessary. Nice job pretending no one would notice your failure to provide one. Millette is an actual forensic chemist as opposed to the clown car, and until you can show it is necessary from some authoritative source, I will take your repeated claim as nothing more than than parroting of what other truthers say, and your choice to believe it.
So thanks for confirming that Dr. Millette's work has not been replicated and that nobody will publish it--not even, apparently, the AAFS
Where is your source no one will publish it? Oops...making up more "truth"? The AAFS allowed him to present, which is far more than the clown car has done. When will they be presenting before an actual authority, or publishing in a real journal, or anything that resembles the actions of respectable academics? We both know the answer is never.
Don't worry, Brian. As usual you dance around the fact that the Frauds for 9/11 Truth are playing the same game as othe pseudoscientists.
And GMS, pray tell, how does one go about "hiding on the internet"? It seems to me that presenting in closed, apparently undocumented proceedings better fits the definition of "hiding" than does publishing where anyone can read the paper for free.
That's because you don't know anything about science or academics in general, Brian. Academics go to academic proceedings, and publish in real journals to be scrutinized by other experts.
Only rubes like yourself think that peddling their beliefs on youtube or in fake journals is the actions of an academic. Basically you are the turn of the century dupe who thinks because the guy on the roadside selling his snake oil is more reliable than the scientists "in closed undocumented proceedings" because he is out in the open public.
The only reason the truth is still around is because the gullible illiterates like yourself are there to make up excuses for them.
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GMS, so first you claim that only truthers care about replication of scientific findings, and then you acknowledge that replication is essential to scientific knowledge.
If anyone wants to criticize the Jones paper, they are free to do so. I have some criticisms of it myself. What makes you think I have religious beliefs?
How come Millette can't get his paper published? I'd suggest that it's because Millette's work has not been replicated, and without the DSC it's incomplete.
I explained why the DSC is necessary--it's so he can 1) confirm that his chips are energetic as Jones's are, and thus he has the same kind of chips as Jones and not just some iron-bearing paint chips and 2)confirm that the alleged lack of elemental aluminum in his chips renders them only prosaically energetic.
If Dr. Millette's paper has been published, please advise where it has been published.
So academics hide their papers in expensive journals available only in academic libraries, and that's supposed to be more transparent than publishing on the internet where anyone can see it?
What beliefs do you think I am peddling? You seem to be wrestling with a straw doll here.
It has yet to be demonstrated that Dr. Millette's work has been replicated, let alone that it has been published.
Why does Dr. Millette refuse to publish his findings in a peer-reviewed journal?
GMS, so first you claim that only truthers care about replication of scientific findings
Never said that, please learn to read.
and then you acknowledge that replication is essential to scientific knowledge.
It is, sadly your reading and comprehension level can;t seem to keep up.
If anyone wants to criticize the Jones paper, they are free to do so. I have some criticisms of it myself. What makes you think I have religious beliefs?
True, but for people who are serious about academic research they know where it actually takes place. Your argument could be used for any form of quackery including creationism, flat earthers, and alien kooks; which they do. Your strawgrasping is telling.
Magic thermite is a religious belief.
How come Millette can't get his paper published? I'd suggest that it's because Millette's work has not been replicated, and without the DSC it's incomplete.
LOL! Thanks for proving my point about not having any idea how academia works. Your work does not have to be replicated first to be published.
BTW...I asked how you know he can't get it published? Don't worry Brian, we all know that as usual you're just making shit up.
I also asked for an independent source on the protocol requiring the DSC. That also you can;t supply. B
I explained why the DSC is necessary--it's so he can 1) confirm that his chips are energetic as Jones's are, and thus he has the same kind of chips as Jones and not just some iron-bearing paint chips and 2)confirm that the alleged lack of elemental aluminum in his chips renders them only prosaically energetic.
Squawk, squawk, squawk...again, please provide a source in the field that proves as much. As we have seen in this thread, you are in no position to be making any unsubstantiated declarations in any academic field. I look forward to you further running in circles.
If Dr. Millette's paper has been published, please advise where it has been published.
Never said it was. I provided you with the source of him presenting it before an actual body in the fields. Something Jones either A. refuses to do, or B. Can't do.
So academics hide their papers in expensive journals available only in academic libraries, and that's supposed to be more transparent than publishing on the internet where anyone can see it?
You are free to pay to see them. Your sad excuses do nothing to disprove that Millette has gone far and above what Jones and co have done to dupe people like yourself..
What beliefs do you think I am peddling? You seem to be wrestling with a straw doll here.
Nope...I quote you directly. Your dancing is not impressive.
It has yet to be demonstrated that Dr. Millette's work has been replicated, let alone that it has been published.
No one said it was. We are still waiting for Jones to demonstrate his claims in a real academic forum. When will that happen?
Why does Dr. Millette refuse to publish his findings in a peer-reviewed journal?
He probably has more important things to do than go through the actual work academics do in order to refute what someone posted on the internet. Because as of yet that's all Jones and Co. have done.
Pretty funny Brian how you hold Millette to such high standards when Jones & Co are clearly avoiding it. It's ok Brian, I am more than happy to help you catalog your stupidity here.
For a simple recap of what Brian is running from:
What authority says the DSC is a necessary protocol?
Who said Millette's study was published?
Who said Millette couldn't get it published?
Why hasn't Jones & Co. presented their findings, or had them published, in a real forum on the subject?
No doubt Brian will continue to dance in circles.
What makes you think I believe in magic thermite?
There's no authoritative comment on Millette's findings at all, so why would you expect any commentary on the need for the DSC?
I explained why the DSC is necessary--it's so he can 1) confirm that his chips are energetic as Jones's are, and thus he has the same kind of chips as Jones and not just some iron-bearing paint chips and 2)confirm that the alleged lack of elemental aluminum in his chips renders them only prosaically energetic. Anybody who bothers to read Millette's report can see the validity of that analysis.
Dr. Jones never duped me. What makes you think he did?
Why do you respond to questions about Dr. Millette's behavior with questions about Dr. Jones's behavior?
What makes you think I believe in magic thermite?
You continuously babble about magic thermite. That's what makes us think you believe in it.
And for the record, your constant homosexual stalking of Willie Rodriguez is what makes us think you're homosexually obsessed with the man, and your use of the name "Petgoat" to post spam on DU is why we think you are "Petgoat".
Ian, I have never babbled about magic thermite.
Your use of the name "Randi's Bitch #37" shows you are "Randi's Bitch #37".
Ian, I have never babbled about magic thermite.
False.
Your use of the name "Randi's Bitch #37" shows you are "Randi's Bitch #37".
False.
Says the guy who claims the widows have no questions and that Dr. Deagle is in good standing with the truth movement.
What makes you think I believe in magic thermite?
That's the only explanation based on the results we've seen.
There's no authoritative comment on Millette's findings at all, so why would you expect any commentary on the need for the DSC?
Not the question, yo claim it is necessary. What source says a DSC is necessary for determining thermite? Don't worry Brian, we all know this is just you running from the question.
I explained why the DSC is necessary...
Yes....you squawked and sqawked and squawked. Sadly, we have yet to see a protocol from any authority that says it is necessary to determine thermite.
Dr. Jones never duped me. What makes you think he did?
You believe him.
Why do you respond to questions about Dr. Millette's behavior with questions about Dr. Jones's behavior?
Simple, burden of proof. We know Jones has been running from scrutiny and has not met the basic standards of scientific scrutiny. Therefore, Millette is not required to meet a standard Jones has not met.
I never said the DSC was necessary to determine thermite. I have many times said what the DSC was necessary for.
What makes you think I believe Dr. Jones? You guys all seem to have the very primitive belief that there are only two sides to everything, so if somebody says something stupid about Dr. Jones, and I point out the stupidity, then that must mean I'm a believer in Dr. Jones.
How has Jones been running from scrutiny? Anyone can read the paper for free whenever they want. Nobody has to go to the science library and fill out a slip requesting a back issue of some obscure journal.
Millette is not required to be scientific if he doesn't want to--and he clearly doesn't want to. It seems that he terminated his investigation as soon as he got the results he wanted.
He made no effort to confirm that his chips were the same as Dr. Harrit's.
He made no effort to distinguish his chips from chips of ordinary paint.
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