Troofer Slapdown Imminent
New York City's response to the Truther's legal brief in support of the High-Rise Safety Initiative is pretty brutal. The HRSI people crowed about how they hired a great election lawyer; it turns out they should have hired an accountant, because the plan they propose is not in accordance with GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles).
Basically, because the financing provision in the HRSI is to have a fund set aside for investigating building collapses, it creates the possibility that the fund might sit dormant for a few years, and then be expended. However GAAP requires that current year expenditures be funded from current year revenues. And the city can't avoid the problem because the state requires that the city's budget be balanced according to GAAP.
(See in particular attachment #2, the Levine Affadavit). I'm afraid we won't have the High Rise Safety Initiative to kick around much longer.
posted by Pat @ 11:51 AM
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Pat, you might want to ask your friend LashL about her experience with your buddy Wizzie Fraudriguez. As I recall, when she exposed some of the impossibilities in his hero story, he engaged in an internet counterattack that she considered rather threatening. Some hero, huh?
LOL! Of course Brian is back to obsessing about Wil Rod.Do you have his pic tacked above your bed?
Thursday is yet another anniversary of 9/11 and yet another opportunity to acknowledge Rodriguez' heroism.
And another opportunity to taunt and mock the hysterical liar and lunatic who can't stop posting obsessed dumbspam about Rodriguez.
Brian also can't get any questions from his invisible "widows" answered either, but that's not important.
Ian, let's not get carried away with infatuation with Willie Rodriguez. Regardless of what he did that day, in the years after 9/11 he slandered this country left and right in his flirtation with twooferism.
On another note, the upcoming anniversary is going to be real downer for twoofers. They've pretty much shot their wad on all their stupid ideas. If they were serious about what they claim they believe, they should be enlisting in ISIL, but I doubt the organization would want them.
CD, the first law of thermodynamics and Newton's laws are hardly stupid ideas. Nor are the notion that the widows deserve to have their 273 pending questions answered, and the notion that an investigation that set out to explain "why and how" the towers collapsed ought to explain how the towers collapsed--including explanation of the ten essential mysteries that took place during or after the collapses.
As to Fraudriguez, itr's been a real hoot to see these clowns falling over each other to be first in line to kiss Wizzie's fat jiggly ass.
the first law of thermodynamics and Newton's laws are hardly stupid ideas
Correct, but CD wasn't talking about Newton's ideas but about the ideas of what he calles twoofers.
For obvious reasons, you cannot counter that, so you bring up some other persons ideas.
Same with the widows: CD wasn't talking about them. And we have already discussed those so called widow questions: lots of them aren't related to 911.
As to Rodriguez: his lies have been exposed by the debunker community in 2006, just like yours. Rodriguez moved on with his life. It is time you do the same.
CD, the first law of thermodynamics and Newton's laws are hardly stupid ideas. Nor are the notion that the widows deserve to have their 273 pending questions answered, and the notion that an investigation that set out to explain "why and how" the towers collapsed ought to explain how the towers collapsed--including explanation of the ten essential mysteries that took place during or after the collapses.
Nobody cares what a failed janitor thinks about the laws of thermodynamics, nobody cares about your "widows", and your "essential mysteries" have been explained as the delusions of a paranoid lunatic.
So we've covered everything here, Brian. All that's left to do is humiliate you over the fact that you were banned from the truth movement and can't afford a decent haircut.
As to Fraudriguez, itr's been a real hoot to see these clowns falling over each other to be first in line to kiss Wizzie's fat jiggly ass.
Nobody cares about your homosexual obsession with Rodriguez.
Anyway, Brian, don't you want to hear about my honeymoon and how expensive and luxurious it was? I mean, you're unemployed and have no romantic life, so it's not like you'll ever have an opportunity to do something like that, so you might as well live vicariously through me, since I'm so much smarter, more successful, and better looking than you.
The documents are also here (for anybody without JREF access). #6 is a good read.
They'll try it again like they always do. It'll NEVER go to court. They will NEVER have their chance. They will FAIL
Brian, your obsession with Willie's rear end is really getting quite appalling. Carole thought you had a crush on her and was pissed when you thought she'd slept with Willie; it is increasingly obvious that the crush is on Willie.
I wonder what they try to gain from this initiative.
Building collapses are already investigated by organisations like NIST or FEMA. What is there to add to future safety if NY would appoint yet another organisation into analyzing future collapses?
an investigation that set out to explain "why and how" the towers collapsed ought to explain how the towers collapsed
So according to you, they did explain why the towers collapsed, but not how they collapsed.
Well, they did explain the latter as well, but not in such detail as you want.
--including explanation of the ten essential mysteries that took place during or after the collapses.
As we already concluded: there are no 10 essential mysteries. It is just something you made up for whatever reason.
And about mysteries after the collapses: even if they occured, they aren't for NIST to investigate, as they have nothing to do with the goal of the investigations, namely researching if and in what way the building constructure and used materials contributed to the global collapse of the towers.
To come to conclusions, NIST doesn't have to investigate why spark X went to the right in stead of to the left, etc. etc.
Pat, where would I get the silly idea that Carol slept with Willie? You guys live in a gossip fantasy world. Willie's membership in Randi's stable goes a long way to explain the trajectory of his career.
I'm not obsessed with Willie. When the opportunity presents, I check to make sure that the stake in his heart is still solidly planted in the earth. As I recall LashL's experience. after she questioned Willie's veracity he tracked her down and told her that he knew where she lived and where she worked. She seemed somewhat shaken by that. Some hero, huh, threatening women?
I'm not obsessed with Willie.
While the next sentences are a classic example of your obsession with him..
What did he ever do to you to get such an obsession?
You don't know what Willie did? What Willie did was lie brazenly about what happened on 9/11, stealing his glory from the heroes that died that day. Specifically he appropriated the story of Pablo Ortiz, and pretended it was his own. He traveled around the world collecting money based on a hero story that was uncorroborated and impossible--obviously so to any architect, firefighter, security guard, police officer, engineer, or janitor in the world. He made fools of his admirers and alienated lawyers, journalists, firefighters, and police from the truth movement. He attacked his critics with libel and slander and compromised the integrity not just of his supporters in the truth movement--but also of the many prominent truthers who could not possibly have been dumb enough to believe his nonsense for a minute but kept silent, probably out of fear that if they dared to call him out for the stinking con artist he was, that somebody might call them racists.
He ruined the truth movement's good relationship with C-Span by squandering two solid hours on bragging and lies.
That's what he did.
and alienated lawyers, journalists, firefighters, and police from the truth movement.
aaah, so that is why you have a problem with him :o)
And that is why everyone else on this blog love him, despite of his earlier lies and trooferism :o)
This explains a lot..
You don't know what Willie did? What Willie did was lie brazenly about what happened on 9/11, stealing his glory from the heroes that died that day. Specifically he appropriated the story of Pablo Ortiz, and pretended it was his own. He traveled around the world collecting money based on a hero story that was uncorroborated and impossible--obviously so to any architect, firefighter, security guard, police officer, engineer, or janitor in the world. He made fools of his admirers and alienated lawyers, journalists, firefighters, and police from the truth movement. He attacked his critics with libel and slander and compromised the integrity not just of his supporters in the truth movement--but also of the many prominent truthers who could not possibly have been dumb enough to believe his nonsense for a minute but kept silent, probably out of fear that if they dared to call him out for the stinking con artist he was, that somebody might call them racists.
He ruined the truth movement's good relationship with C-Span by squandering two solid hours on bragging and lies.
That's what he did.
We get it, Brian. You're a homosexual. You fell in love with him. He rejected you. You've been posting hysterical spam about him ever since.
Nobody cares.
I'll take Brian's silence to my questions as qui tacet consentire videtur.
You would. You guys are all masters of confirmation bias.
Well, I see Brian has nothing left to say. I guess he knows we're one day away from the annual Brian Good Humiliation Day, in which Willie Rodriguez is honored for his heroism, while Brian just squeals and squeals in his parents basement in Palo Alto.
Also, tomorrow will be 13 years and STILL not a single question from Laurie Van Auken answered. I think she's gotta wonder why she left such an important task in the hands of someone to incompetent to mop floors or get a decent haircut.
More lying Iananity from lying Ianinny, I see.
Pat, where would I get the silly idea that Carol slept with Willie? You guys live in a gossip fantasy world. Willie's membership in Randi's stable goes a long way to explain the trajectory of his career.
I'm not obsessed with Willie. When the opportunity presents, I check to make sure that the stake in his heart is still solidly planted in the earth. As I recall LashL's experience. after she questioned Willie's veracity he tracked her down and told her that he knew where she lived and where she worked. She seemed somewhat shaken by that. Some hero, huh, threatening women?
And the circle is round again, Brian...
Your circle is reamed by liars.
Brian, this is the internet, remember? Carol wrote this years ago:
"Sadly, Brian is totally obsessed with attacking Kevin Barrett and William (and indirectly- me). It started when he came to the erroneous conclusion that I was in love with Kevin and had a sexual affair with him (and possibly others- including John Wright- he even insinuated that William shared my bed when William was out for the event we did in 2007). He blames William and Barrett for ending our friendship- when his mistrust of me and Brian's bad judgement and jealous attacks of Kevin and William were the main catalysts for my cutting all contact with him."
As for where you got the idea, my first guess is your diseased mind.
Mirrortalk again Brian, as expected.
Pat, I never insinuated that Carol and Willie shared a bed. Carol's statement was a claim that the idea that they had shared a bed was ridiculous--which it was.
I think almost everyone in the truth movement now recognizes that my criticisms of Barrett and William in 2007 were right on target. I wasn't "jealous". I resented Mrs. Brouillet's stupid squandering of her credibility by associating with bigots and con artists.
@brian:
You can think all you want, but that doesn't make it true...
Feel free to provide evidence contradicting my opinion if you have any, th, which you don't.
Nope, don't need to do that.
You should provide evidence for your opinion, otherwise it is just that: an opinion.
And of course, you are entitled to have your own opinion. But it is nothing more than that. It is not a fact, not the truth. Just an opinion.
I think almost everyone in the truth movement now recognizes that my criticisms of Barrett and William in 2007 were right on target.
Doubtful. After all, you were banned from the truth movement for stalking them, remember?
Do you think serious researchers like Bill Deagle, Judy Wood, and Jim Fetzer want to let a liar and lunatic like you sully the reputation of the truth movement?
Ianinny, you are very confused.
Ianinny, you are very confused.
I see you don't deny being banned from the truth movement. That's good, it means you're beginning to accept reality.
Read what Brian the dog said on "Truth & Shadows" from 2011.
http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2011/05/08/largest-911-site-condemned-for-banning-opponents-harming-truth-movement/
Ianinny, there is no need to deny your ianane prattling.
Indeed, it is time to stop denying and start admitting...
Admit what? Admit that I took on the bigot Kevin Barrett, the con artist William Rodriguez, and the lunatic Craig Ranke at a time when most of the truth movement leadership was unwilling to do so, and it turned out I was right? OK, I admit it.
You know what Ian said, Brian...
Don't go round in circles avoiding it..
Ianinny's lying iananity is not worth reading, let alone remembering. I paid no attention to what he said.
Whenever a peedunker tells me what I know, I know he's lying.
I am continually amused that Brian wants credit for his attacks on Kevin Barrett and Craig Ranke; like he establishes some huge credibility by bashing them while sucking up to Richard Gage, who is every bit as much a lunatic as Ranke. And if you think Willie's a con artist, how about Gage, who manages to pull in $85,000 a year with nothing to show for it? Look at his events calendar--upcoming speaking events has NOTHING for 2014; in fact his most recent speaking event is November 2013 (not counting the radio interviews).
That's why we laugh at you Brian. You boldly stand up to people like Ranke and Barrett, guys who are so insane even a good deal of the moronic Troofers have caught on. But you don't stand up to Gage, who is laughable to anybody with a brain.
Pat, you might want to ask your friend LashL about her experience with Willie. I'm not aware that Mr. Gage ever stalked and threatened any women. I'm also not aware that Mr. Gage ever stole any glory from dead heroes as Willie did.
And while I've never agreed with all of Mr. Gage's opinions, I've never known him to advocate patently lunatic theories like Pentagon flyover, or to engage in the shameful libel of witnesses that CIT gloried in, and I don't know what makes him laughable.
Mr. Gage made far more than $85,000 a year when he was a practicing architect, and the recruitment of 2,254 architects and engineers to sign his petition is certainly an achievement. If he doesn't do as much barnstorming as he used to do, maybe that is because doing so is less productive than is appearing on C-Span.
I stood up to blatant bigots like Barrett, blatant liars like Ranke, and blatant con artists like Willie. Recently I slammed Barbara Honegger for some published misquotations so egregious that her journalism career should be over.
I disagree with some of Mr. Gage's positions and some of his policies, but these are all a matter of opinion--not blatant wrongdoing like that of Rodriguez, Barrett, Ranke, and Honegger.
By contrast, you guys here have celebrated William Rodriguez in spite of the established FACT that his hero story is a lie, and he stole the glory of the dead.
Admit what? Admit that I took on the bigot Kevin Barrett, the con artist William Rodriguez, and the lunatic Craig Ranke at a time when most of the truth movement leadership was unwilling to do so, and it turned out I was right? OK, I admit it.
Yes, you took them on, and got banned from the truth movement for it, because you made it abundantly clear that you're a liar and lunatic with a homosexual obsession with Rodriguez.
Ianinny's lying iananity is not worth reading, let alone remembering. I paid no attention to what he said.
Brian, you've been obsessing over everything I say for 5 years now. That's why you can't stop squealing and crying every time I point out that the widows have no questions and that you're a failed janitor who lives with his parents.
By contrast, you guys here have celebrated William Rodriguez in spite of the established FACT that his hero story is a lie, and he stole the glory of the dead.
That's not a fact, Brian, even if you post it in CAPITAL LETTERS. It's a delusion of your diseased mind.
A fact would be something like "Brian was banned from the Northern Californian Truther Alliance".
Ian, where did you get the idea that I was banned from the truth movement? Did Willie tell you that? I didn't lie about anything. Where is Willie, by the way? He ran away screaming and crying after Der Spiegel exposed him as a fraud trying to pass off a $1 bill as a $20 bill. He hasn't been seen since.
The widows have 273 pending questions and you are a liar. I was a very successful janitor when I was in college, and I moved on to more rewarding pursuits later. People used to think that working shitty jobs in college was character-building. It seems you know nothing about character. I pity you.
It's a fact that Willie's hero story is a lie. His claim that people were trapped behind locked fire exit doors is contrary to reality and has no supporting evidence, his claim that he saved hundreds of lives is contradicted by death statistics and corroborated by no one, and his claim that he single-handedly rescued 15 persons is a corroborated by no one and contrary to reality.
Ian, where did you get the idea that I was banned from the truth movement?
From Carol Brouillet.
Where is Willie, by the way? He ran away screaming and crying after Der Spiegel exposed him as a fraud trying to pass off a $1 bill as a $20 bill. He hasn't been seen since.
Nobody cares about your homosexual obsession with Rodriguez.
The widows have 273 pending questions and you are a liar.
False.
I was a very successful janitor when I was in college, and I moved on to more rewarding pursuits later.
You failed out of college, Brian. Too much sniffing glue damaged your brain.
People used to think that working shitty jobs in college was character-building. It seems you know nothing about character. I pity you.
This is just pointless hysterical squealing from a loser who lives with his parents. Next....
It's a fact that Willie's hero story is a lie.
False.
His claim that people were trapped behind locked fire exit doors is contrary to reality and has no supporting evidence, his claim that he saved hundreds of lives is contradicted by death statistics and corroborated by no one, and his claim that he single-handedly rescued 15 persons is a corroborated by no one and contrary to reality.
False.
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Maybe if the widows looked like Jennifer Lawrence, people would care about their questions.
And maybe if you got a decent haircut, people would listen to what you have to say.
Ian, Carol Brouillet does not have the power to ban me from the truth movement. For a long time she was operating under the false assumption that crank phone calls to her family came from me. She had a hard time processing the fact that a bigot and a con artist had wormed their way into her sphere, but that was over six years ago.
Taking down a blatant con artist like William Rodriguez is not sexual at all.
When did I fail out of college, Ian, and what college did I fail out of, and how do you know?
I have proven that Willie's hero story is a lie. No one has ever tried to refute my proof, but only to distract from the facts by bogus attacks on me.
Maybe if you weren't such a shallow person, you wouldn't be so fashion-oriented.
What's your take on Clarence Darrow's shoes, by the way?
What's your take on Clarence Darrow's shoes, by the way?
Poor Brian. He's so completely hysterical over the fact that I've pwn3d him so many times over the past 5 years that he's starting to babble about Clarence Darrow.
Clarence Darrow wasn't a failed janitor who lived with his parents and couldn't afford a decent haircut.
Ian, Carol Brouillet does not have the power to ban me from the truth movement.
She banned you from the Northern California Truth Alliance:
http://lists.cagreens.org/pipermail/sosfbay-discuss/2010-April/010936.html
Other people have banned you from other truther groups.
For instance, when you were challenged to a debate by Craig Ranke, you ran away squealing and crying, demanding that various truther groups allow you back in after they had banned you:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/3083747/1/
And, of course, you were well known for being banned from CIT after posting thousands of pages of dumbspam. Then you came back as "Watson", posted thousands more pages of dumbspam, and were banned again.
When did I fail out of college, Ian, and what college did I fail out of, and how do you know?
You failed out of San Jose State in the early 70s. I know this because you told us this. I mean, it's not like a college graduate would be a shiftless loser unable to hold down jobs like janitor or security guard.
I have proven that Willie's hero story is a lie.
False.
BTW, Brian, I drank an expensive beer (that I can afford because I'm a smart, successful professional) on Thursday in celebration of the fact that it's been 13 years, and the widows STILL don't have their questions answered, your meatball on a fork model STILL hasn't been published in a journal, there STILL hasn't been a new investigation into 9/11, and you STILL haven't demonstrated that Willie Rodriguez is a fraud.
"I also want my status at 911oz to be upgraded so I am no longer consigned to the "fighting pit" and I want to be unbanned at 911blogger and the sf911truth googlegroup."
BRIAN GOOD WAS BANNED!!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
You were also banned from Scholars from 9/11 Truth, but at least Jim Fetzer left your photo up, so we can all laugh at your hideous homeless mullet and your homeless lunatic stare:
http://911scholars.ning.com/profile/BrianGood
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!
More lyin' iananity from a lyin Ianinny.
Carol didn't ban me from anything except her new car. I attended truth alliance meetings when I felt like driving 50 miles, and at her invitation I helped table at music festivals.
I didn't run away from Craig Ranke. I kicked his skanky ass five times in internet debate. He ran away from me--he withdrew the invitation to debate formally.
I was never banned from CIT because I was never part of CIT. They were a pack of lunatics.
Where do you get the idea that I attended San Jose State in the 1970s? I never told you any such thing. My ex-wife took a few career-development classes at night at San Jose State in the 1980s. You are way off base.
I have proven that Willie's hero story is a lie and that he ius a fraud. No credible person can be found to defend him. Any idiot can spend 4$, 6$, 8$, or $10 on an expensive beer, but only a truly depraved individual such as yourself would celebrate the widows' continued frustration.
I was banned at 911blogger because they didn't want to hear the truth about Willie Rodriguez. I am not banned there now. One of the moderators at 911blogger offered to provide a forum for my debate with Willie. Willie was not interested.
If I was banned from Scholars for 9/11 Truth it was many months after I stopped visiting there because the thin traffic and poor quality of the commentary made it a waste of time.
When I was married I did not spend beautiful Saturday afternoons on the internet commenting on the haircuts of putative failed janitors and chorteling about the shabby treatment given to the victims of national tregedies. What's up? Is your wife out shopping? Did she go home to momma already?
Notice how Brian has now invented an imaginary "ex-wife" because, well, I'm married, and Brian is humiliated by how much better I am at life than he is, so now he's going to pretend he hasn't been celibate for the past 40 years because no woman would want to go near him.
Just more proof of how much I've pwn3d him.
Notice how Ian augments his imagined biography of me with a pretense to knowledge he does not have. I never had a reason to mention my ex-wife before because she has nothing to do with 9/11. She is the kind of person who thinks that evil and unpleasantness can be banished from the world simply by pretending that it does not exist. I am the kind of person that prefers to confront evil head-on. That is why we are no longer married. When we were married I certainly didn't devote precious weekend time to inventing bad fictions on the internet about people I don't know.
Skidmark, your tendency to embroider your assumptions with absolute lies goes a long way to explain your confusion about 9/11, and your credulity with respect to the tales of Willie Rodriguez. I will repeat: not one credible defender of Willie can be found in the world.
Yup, Brian has gone back to calling me "skidmark", just as he's called me "it", "she", "worm", "beanie head" and all sorts of other hysterical things.
None of this changes the fact that Willie Rodriguez is a hero, the widows have no questions, and Brian is a failed janitor who lives with his parents and can't afford a decent haircut.
There's nothing hysterical about calling you "skidmark", skidmark.
And even if there were, it wouldn't change the fact that William Rodriguez is a washed-up con artist who stole his glory from the dead, the fact that 273 of the widows' questions remain unanswered, the fact that I was a successful janitor in college but moved on to better things, and the fact that you have no idea where I live or what I can afford.
And even if there were, it wouldn't change the fact that William Rodriguez is a washed-up con artist who stole his glory from the dead, the fact that 273 of the widows' questions remain unanswered, the fact that I was a successful janitor in college but moved on to better things, and the fact that you have no idea where I live or what I can afford.
My, such squealing!
I will repeat: not one credible defender of Willie can be found in the world.
And at the same time, William was a special guest at the opening of the 911 memorial, gave a speech at the opening, spoke to 20+ journalists, had numerous pictures taken of him with his life saving master key, walked among (former) presidents, etc. etc.
This made you so jealous that you started fantasizing that the pictures must have been faked, etc. etc..
Why would I be jealous of Willie appearing with scumbags?
I didn't say the pictures of Willie with scumbags were faked--I said that the fact that the truth movement had no interest in them was telling.
Also telling is the intelligence "failure" of the 9/11 establishment that ran the exclusive gala champagne celebration on the bones of the dead, over the objections of family members and first responders--and apparently couldn't recognize the obvious truth that William Rodriguez's impossible hero story is a lie, and that he stole the true hero story from Pablo Ortiz.
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