Jill Stein Goes for the Crackpot Vote
With a call for a new 9-11 investigation, which contains the usual BS talking points:
The families and friends of those who were murdered on 9/11 deserve justice. They also deserve to know the truth.The usual misreading of what Kean and Hamilton really said:
Led by the families of those who died on 9/11, the American people wanted—and deserved—a comprehensive and independent inquiry into the attacks. The Bush administration initially said an inquiry was unnecessary, claiming that the perpetrators had been identified and their methods and motives were clear.
It is well known that the 9/11 Commission produced a report containing so many omissions and distortions that Harper's Magazine described it as "whitewash as public service"—a document that "defrauds the nation." The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission wrote a book just two years after the final commission report, saying, "We were set up to fail." The 9/11 Commission was not given enough money, time, or access to relevant classified information.
"Both of us were aware of grumbling around Washington that the 9/11 Commission was doomed--if not designed--to fail: the commission would splinter down partisan lines; lose its credibility by leaking classified information; be denied the necessary access to do its job; or alienate the 9/11 families who had fought on behalf of its creation. What we could not have anticipated were the remarkable people and circumstances that would coalesce within and around the 9/11 Commission over the coming twenty months to enable our success."From what I have seen, the Rebunkers seem to be on Trump's side; probably because he's been friendly with Alex Jones. I suspect that this will help Stein get Jon Gold's support.
posted by Pat @ 1:42 PM
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31 Comments:
In another sad reminder from that day, the FBI apparently was allowed to release the gag order on certain portions of the cockpit voice recorder, as they play clips of it where you can hear Jarrah's messages a little bit clearer, as well as some voiceless smashing and struggling noises.
https://youtu.be/gMA7Wse9sSc?t=8m8s
I support her statement. I DO NOT support Alex Jones or Donald Trump.
Nor do I support our election process.
As I posted yesterday, she earned "my Facebook posting of her calling for a new investigation. I won't participate in the elections however."
And "usual BS talking points" is an ingenious debunking of what she said.
15 years later and I'm still waiting for the truthers to have their own official report. Or are they still fighting with each other on which theory is better?
Nor do I support our election process.
Of course you don't. It's not like fascists are known for their support of electoral democracy.
I'm just glad that today's vintage of fascist is most likely to be an obese unemployed virgin who is scared of his own shadow, and thus unlikely to start violence in the streets.
Also, as everyone probably noticed, Brian Good acknowledged in the last thread that I've pwn3d him so badly that he won't spam these posts anymore for fear of me humiliating him the same way Willie Rodriguez humiliated him here years ago.
Not that this decision by Brian to admit defeat changes anything. Brian still a liar and lunatic, the widows still have no questions, "Meatball on a Fork" is still not published in a journal of engineering, Willie Rodriguez is still a hero, and the truth movement is still pining for the fjords.
On another note, has anyone else noticed the similarities between Donald Trump and Brian? Besides the hideous haircuts, there's also the blatant misogyny and racism, the ridiculous claims about their accomplishments (Trump isn't a real estate developer, he's a reality TV clown who mostly squandered his father's fortune, Brian isn't a researcher, he's a failed janitor who lives with his parents), the pathological lies, and the inability to let a perceived slight go. I guess it's the narcissistic personality disorder that some figured Brian was dealing with years ago. It's striking how the same personality traits appear in two very different people with the same mental illness.
The two top 9/11 Commissioners ADMITTED suppression and downplaying of prime motive for the attack: SEE VIDEO They ADMIT the concern was protecting the foreign policy, you can compare the staff statements and testimony to what finally made it into the 9/11 Report and see how there are several examples of omitting "Israel" as motive. LOOK HERE
There are still PDBs that haven’t been released! Why haven’t all of the PDBs been released? We know that Bush received warnings yet what did he do? What actions did Bush take? From what we have learned since then there were people who made up contrived excuses for ignoring the intel warning of some sort of attack: “But some in the administration considered the warning to be just bluster. An intelligence official and a member of the Bush administration both told me in interviews that the neoconservative leaders who had recently assumed power at the Pentagon were warning the White House that the C.I.A. had been fooled; according to this theory, Bin Laden was merely pretending to be planning an attack to distract the administration from Saddam Hussein, whom the neoconservatives saw as a greater threat. Intelligence officials, these sources said, protested that the idea of Bin Laden, an Islamic fundamentalist, conspiring with Mr. Hussein, an Iraqi secularist, was ridiculous, but the neoconservatives’ suspicions were nevertheless carrying the day.
In response, the C.I.A. prepared an analysis that all but pleaded with the White House to accept that the danger from Bin Laden was real. “The U.S. is not the target of a disinformation campaign by Usama Bin Laden,” the daily brief of June 29 read, using the government’s transliteration of Bin Laden’s first name. Going on for more than a page, the document recited much of the evidence, including an interview that month with a Middle Eastern journalist in which Bin Laden aides warned of a coming attack,” – The Deafness Before the Storm By KURT EICHENWALD Why are some acting like it is wrong to point out that a politician didn’t do a good job?
You are not going to get these men to say, "Yeah, we sat back, ignored the warnings, so that when an attack happened we could use it as a pretext for our agenda to attack Iraq." BUT their excuses for why the President should ignore the warnings he was being given are so contrived and self-serving that it basically exposes what they were up to. This isn't over, people still have to pay for what they did to us. Remember that the Iraq War agenda is so devious that the very excuse President Bush gave for attacking Iraq is a flat out provable lie! (a lie that the media has deviously avoided pointing out) That lie specifically is the claim that Saddam didn't let the inspectors in.
Jon, how can you ever get a "new investigation" if you're constantly on your internet devices and not doing a damn thing as scientific research? You know what scientific research is, don't you? How about you get your ass to an actual lab and start crunching some numbers? Being on the internet isn't helping your cause and you knew that. Until you actually get involved in science your woo won't actually help you. Don't get offended, I'm only trying to help you understand your flaws. Calling for a new investigation, without science backed evidence, is not going to help you set up for a new investigation. Sorry but that's the cold hard truth.
Pat, how can anyone say that it's BS to say "The families and friends of those who were murdered on 9/11 deserve justice. They also deserve to know the truth."
Do you disagree with the proposition that they deserve to know the truth?
Stundie, the reason a private investigation is inadequate is that liars were claim that the private investigation was biased or otherwise incompetent. Also, a private investigation will not have access to subpoena power, which is needed to compel witnesses' testimony and the production of relevant documents.
Jon Gold only comments here when he's mentioned in the original post. So he doesn't care about 9/11, he only cares about himself.
The families and friends of those who were murdered on 9/11 deserve justice.
They got justice when the marines killed Osama Bin Laden.
They also deserve to know the truth.
They know the truth already. Al Qaeda pulled off 9/11.
This isn't over, people still have to pay for what they did to us.
This IS over. No one cares about this BS conspiracy theory anymore. It's all about trigger warnings, BLM and tearing down statues of slaveholders now.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Brian Good will all be dead before there's another investigation. Because there will never be another investigation.
And for the record, I stopped commenting here because I have much better things to do with my time than argue with dumb fucks on the internet. Ian can handle it - he enjoys this shit.
John, a lynch mob is not justice--especially not when it's the USMC. Dr. Noam Chomsky opined that the reason that Osama was killed was because the USA did not have sufficient evidence to convict him in a court of law.
Who are you to decide that the family members "know the truth"? They gave the 9/11 Commission 300 questions and they only got 27 answers. The NIST investigation dodged the ten essential mysteries of the collapses, and NIST's communications officer claims that their investigation did not analyze the collapses.
Most of what the 9/11 Commission tells us about al Qaeda they adopted uncritically from alleged CIA transcripts of alleged interrogation sessions allegedly done under torture of alleged al Qaeda members. No effort to verify the honesty of these transcripts has ever been made, and the CIA even allegedly destroyed the alleged videotapes of the alleged torture sessions. Such low-quality evidence may be enough for you, but it's not good enough for history and there's no reason to think it's good enough for the 9/11 families.
No one cares? The widows care. I care that the widows care. People who care about democracy and about our rights care.
Do you disagree with the proposition that they deserve to know the truth?
We already know the truth, Brian. Just because you, a mentally ill unemployed janitor who wears women's underwear, doesn't believe it doesn't make it any less true.
Who are you to decide that the family members "know the truth"? They gave the 9/11 Commission 300 questions and they only got 27 answers.
Nobody cares about lying bimbos like Laurie Van Auken. 15 years without a question being answered! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!
Most of what the 9/11 Commission tells us about al Qaeda they adopted uncritically from alleged CIA transcripts of alleged interrogation sessions allegedly done under torture of alleged al Qaeda members. No effort to verify the honesty of these transcripts has ever been made, and the CIA even allegedly destroyed the alleged videotapes of the alleged torture sessions. Such low-quality evidence may be enough for you, but it's not good enough for history and there's no reason to think it's good enough for the 9/11 families.
False.
No one cares? The widows care. I care that the widows care. People who care about democracy and about our rights care.
The widows are nobody, you're nobody, and you don't have the foggiest idea what democracy is. Thanks for proving our points.
So Brian's self-discipline lasted not very long, which is totally not surprising. He saw a new name and figured, well, I've failed spectacularly for 15 years, but THIS guy will listen to me, and that will get the ball rolling, and I'll finally be famous and Laurie Van Auken will have sex with me and that girl Ian will be SO sorry!!!!!
He saw a new name and figured, well, I've failed spectacularly for 15 years, but THIS guy will listen to me
Yeah, he forgot all about me. I tried debating him years ago. Total waste of time.
The world has moved on and abandoned other conspiracy theories since 9/11 was hip. He missed out om anti-vaxx and birtherism. It's all about White Privilege now. Keep up with the times, Brian.
What's being said in this thread about 9/11 Family Members is disgraceful.
What's being said in this thread about 9/11 Family Members is disgraceful.
Then why the hell aren't you forking your own money out of your own pocket to give to the families? You're the one being disgraceful Jon.
Stundie, the reason a private investigation is inadequate.....blah, blah, blah....."
Nobody cares Brian. You're the one that's inadequate.
What's being said in this thread about 9/11 Family Members is disgraceful.
Jon, I've said this to Brian Good before, but you can cut the heroics bullshit with the "widows". Laurie Van Auken is not going to suck your dick no matter what you do.
This always bothered me: "Why haven't the Truthers visited the 9/11 Families?"
Common sense tells you that if you wanna talk shit behind peoples backs at least do it in front of them while doing so. Otherwise if you do talk behind their backs you're nothing but a coward.
When I have some idiot talking behind my back I tell them to say it to my face. They usually back off or run away at the thought of confronting me face to face because they know full well I'd punch them square dead in the jaw.
Great site Pat and James. That's sarcasm for those who don't know.
There's happy clowns and sad clowns--and then there's hate clowns like Ian and Stundie. Pat and James claim that they don't have the power to ban them, but it also seems they lack the moral intelligence to tell them to STFU.
Stundie, your belief that money should substitute for justice tells us all we need to know about you.
Great site Pat and James. That's sarcasm for those who don't know.
Poor Jon, won't someone take him seriously?
Jon, you could always do another pointless act of attention-seeking, like when you chained yourself to the White House fence. Only this time, may I suggest a hunger strike? While it will have the same effect on your 9/11 efforts as the White House stunt (zilch), it may have the benefit of dropping you to a weight where people will no longer mistake you for a walrus.
There's happy clowns and sad clowns--and then there's hate clowns like Ian and Stundie. Pat and James claim that they don't have the power to ban them, but it also seems they lack the moral intelligence to tell them to STFU.
Poor Brian. Every other website discussing 9/11 truth has banned him for being a liar and a lunatic and a sex stalker, so of course he wants the same to happen to those who humiliate him here on a daily basis.
You could always stop posting dumbspam here, Brian. I know it would be hard because you have nothing else going on in your miserable little life, no job, no friends, no family, no hobbies, but maybe, with help from mental health professionals, you could find a less pointless way to spend your time?
More Lyin Iananity from a lyin Ianinny, I see.
That's sarcasm for those who don't know.
That you're a complete douche bag who only cares about himself rather than the 9/11 Families or their loved ones?
hate clowns
You forget I know where you live Brian. You want me to come to your 7th floor apartment and we can have a little "chat"?
your belief that money should substitute for justice tells us all we need to know about you.
I have a job Brian. I work for the State. Unlike you I know you live off welfare, SSI and possibly SSD. I know you mooch off the government you say you hate so much but what would happen if there were no government? That free money would be gone and you'd have no one to support your lazy ass.
Hate clowns. Lying ad hominems and stalker threats. Stundie, you don't know anything about me. I've never mooched a dime off the government. I leave that to turkeys like you who can't even see that their whole paycheck is "free money".
Hypocritical turkeys, I might add. Oh poor Stundie! He doesn't want his government welfare-job check taxed to support somebody who might need help for housing or medical care.
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