Ryan and Gage at Nation of Islam Rally

I've seen or listened to most of their presentation and have the following comments:

Ryan's speech is simply a weak version of Loose Change.  Like Dylan, he throws a blizzard of "facts" at you, but unlike Do-Over he doesn't tie it together into any sensible order. He does lead with a phrase that should make most "responsible" Troofers wince: "Muslims did not attack the US on 9-11."  I was surprised that this statement got a very tepid response from the huge crowd, and thought maybe they weren't as gullible as Farrakhan. Big mistake, as we shall see later.

From there he starts the blizzard of nuttery routine.  Atta ate pork, snorted coke and dated a stripper.  Not true, of course, as the stripper was the source for the other allegations about Atta, and she has since admitted that she dated another guy named Mohamed.  Ryan recommends Hopsicker and Griffin.

Did you know that half of the "alleged" hijackers are still alive?  This one has always struck me as quite bizarre.  Let's grant for a moment the Troofer fantasy that the US government was behind the attacks.  Why, exactly, leave 9 or more or your supposed hijackers alive to contradict the official story?  I mean, wouldn't it be relatively easy to, say, kidnap 19 young Muslims from various Middle Eastern countries, kill them, and then execute your plot and announce to the world that these were the guys who did it?

From there we gallop to "set up to fail" to the Afghanistan pipeline (still not built) to Norm Mineta to Sibel Edmonds.  Ryan flat-out lies when he says FBI agent Robert Wright was investigating al Qaeda; in fact his job was investigating Hamas and Hezbollah. Able Danger gets wheeled out.  Again, in the context of the conspiracy theory that Ryan apparently believes (no Muslim hijackers) Able Danger makes no sense.  The Defense Intelligence Agency was tracking a guy who by the way didn't hijack a plane and is still alive!  Inside Job!


Ryan expresses amazement that they knew the names of all the hijackers within 72 hours.  Shall we play the "Hunt the Hijacker" game again?  Ryan closes where he led off: The people accused of carrying out 9-11 were not Muslims.  Poor wording, of course, as even the dullest Troofer would have to admit that the people accused are Muslims.  He gets modest, polite applause, to the point where the junior minister emceeing the affair has to beg for another pity round.

Gage follows.  He does the usual routine where he asks how many believe in the official story?  Very few hands.  How many aren't sure?  Maybe 10 percent.  How many believe the government was behind it?  Almost everybody.  So apparently the tepid reaction to Ryan was not skepticism, but ennui.

Gage's presentation is fairly standard and long and I won't spend much time talking about it.   I did find it interesting that he persists in using segments from Sofia Shafquat's 9-11 Mysteries film during his talk.  As I never tire of pointing out, Sofia credits Holocaust Denier Eric Hufschmid with inspiring her crockumentary, and used to sell the Ernst Zundel Story on her website.

BTW, no sign of Kevin Barrett on that stage so apparently my source inside AE9-11 Truth was wrong on that score; maybe it was just a mix-up as to which loon named Kevin was appearing.

So Many Mistakes, Just One Post...

This post almost seems like one of those old pictures where you were supposed to circle all the mistakes.

The officials couldn’t find the airplanes’ “black boxes” containing flight information, yet they found a paper passport presumably owned by one of the Middle Eastern highjackers—named on a list the FBI compiled with amazing speed, yet no similar names were on the original flight lists the airlines gave to CNN. The passport belonged to a Middle Eastern man, Mohammed Atta, a supposed devout and fanatic Muslim who ate pork, snorted coke, and rented prostitutes.

Let's see:

1. It wasn't Mohammed Atta's passport, it was Satam al-Suqami's.

2. The claims that he ate pork and snorted coke came from Amanda Keller who has since recanted her statement.

Then, some of the other highjackers turned up alive in various parts of the world objecting to having been accused of murder and suicide.

3. It's hijackers, not highjackers, and of course he links to the original BBC report without linking to the update.

We recently asked the FBI for a statement, and this is, as things stand, the closest thing we have to a definitive view: The FBI is confident that it has positively identified the nineteen hijackers responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Also, the 9/11 investigation was thoroughly reviewed by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States and the House and Senate Joint Inquiry. Neither of these reviews ever raised the issue of doubt about the identity of the nineteen hijackers.

And what about the lack of military response? Where was the trillion plus dollar security system we US taxpayers paid for? Where were the scrambled jets from Andrews AFB right next to the Pentagon? What about the surface to air missiles that ring the Pentagon lawn?

4. Andrews AFB is not "right next to the Pentagon, and the surface to air missiles that ring the Pentagon lawn exist only in the alleged minds of Truthers.

Even key members of the 9-11 Commission thought the investigation was flawed. Chairman Lee Hamilton wrote in his book Without Precedent—that the 9/11 Commission was “set up to fail” by the Bush Administration. John Farmer, Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission, wrote on page four of his book, The Ground Truth: “At some level of government, at some point in time, there was an agreement not to tell the people the truth about what happened.” These are presumably the same people with whom the 9-11 Untruthers agree.

Why, yes, yes, I do agree with John Farmer. What did he tell Brad Friedman?

JF: Well, let me just say that I think the [9-11 Commission] report is, uh, extremely accurate, and- and sets forth the facts of 9/11. And we actually did point out in the report the discrepancies between the accounts that were given and what we actually found.

He mentions JREF, and notes this quote from Mark (Gravy) Roberts:

As an example, I ran across a reference by “Gravy” on a JREF forum which refers to “Gage and his gang of lazy, lying, despicable creeps.”

That's unfair of Gravy. I have seen no evidence that Gage and his gang are lazy.