Brian Good Chickens Out On Debate With Willie Rodriguez

It was only two weeks ago that Brian Good issued this challenge:

Willie doesn't have the guts to debate me--not here, not in person, not anywhere on the internet, and not on Carol's program. That's because he knows better than anyone that he's a liar and a fraud.

As I wrote last week, Willie offered to debate Brian right here at Screw Loose Change (allegedly part of the internet the last time I checked). And suddenly Brian started making clucking noises and pecking at the ground. I guess we all know who's the liar and the fraud, eh?

Brian's most disgusting trick has been to request that the debate take place on Carol Brouillet's radio show. Brian wrote:

I offered a debate taking place on Carol's radio program. The reason for this is that Willie lies, and he hides behind Carol's skirts, and he would surely raise untrue ad hominem attacks on me with no regard for the potential damage to Carol. So she needs to have edit power over the debate.

Of course, Carol wants nothing to do with Brian, who exhibited typical stalker behavior by claiming that she was having sex with everybody but him. Here's a quote from an email she wrote:

Sadly, Brian is totally obsessed with attacking Kevin Barrett and William (and indirectly- me). It started when he came to the erroneous conclusion that I was in love with Kevin and had a sexual affair with him (and possibly others- including John Wright- he even insinuated that William shared my bed when William was out for the event we did in 2007). He blames William and Barrett for ending our friendship- when his mistrust of me and Brian's bad judgement and jealous attacks of Kevin and William were the main catalysts for my cutting all contact with him.

When caught on this, Brian shifted to demanding a debate on Visibility 911. Willie contacted Michael Wolsey, who hosts that program and the response was pretty simple. "We'd love to have you on the show, Willie, but why would we include Brian? He's a nobody."

Which is probably the response we all should have. Brian's certainly given us some amusement over the years, with his rakeonrake and meatball on a fork meanderings, but in the end he's just a footsoldier in the idiot brigade.

It kind of reminds me of Sibel Edmonds' demand that she get live airtime on a major network to tell us all that she knows; as you can imagine the networks have laughed at that suggestion. Of course, Brian Good is 1/1000000th as important as Sibel, so he can't even get on a conspiracy theory podcast.

Lying Beleaguer...

AKA Brian Good:

Senator Mark Dayton already accused NORAD of lying, and Commissioners Kean and Hamilton wrote in their book that NORAD's shifting stories so angered them that they considered referring the matter for a Justice Dept. investigation.

But you'll never get the debunkers to admit it. You can quote the book and the news article and they'll just claim you're lying and taking stuff out of context.

I bring up the NORAD lies 3:00 into the debate with Jon Gold. The NORAD lies come up again at about 7:30 and at 8:30 I say "I think it's unconscionable the way that they lied to the commissioners and that was something they should have considered referring for criminal indictment."

Just call him Brian (Not So) Good (with the Truth).

Screw Loose Change to Host Debate Between Brian Good and Willie Rodriguez

Brian wrote in the post on Steven Jones' earthquake machines:

Willie doesn't have the guts to debate me--not here, not in person, not anywhere on the internet, and not on Carol's program. That's because he knows better than anyone that he's a liar and a fraud.

Somebody must have informed W-Rod of Brian's challenge because today I received an email from Willie offering to debate Brian live, right here on Screw Loose Change. Obviously we have to work out the details, but I am sure that Brian will agree to the debate in principle, given what he wrote on that thread.

In related news, Jones is not backing away from his latest research. In a post over at Flogger on Jesse's new infatuation with space beams, Jones writes:

Those who go with wild theories such as no-planes-hit-the-Towers and space-beam knocked the Towers and WTC7 down (both promoted by Fetzer/Wood) OR mini-nuke destroyed the Towers. Destruction starts at the top, since the energy-beam is from space -- totally ignoring facts and publications to the contrary. No experiments. But entertaining. They fight against the science group, too.

On Coast-to-coast radio, Judy Wood said that WTC 7 was "dustified" -- what a load of bull manure, flying totally in the face of facts that the rubble piled rather neatly on the WTC 7 footprint -- Observed! She also argued that the falling buildings could have produced the observed thermitic material, from iron-dustified- turns to rust on the way down, combining with aluminum from the building. Unbelievable crap.

But he got some pushback:

Earthquake inducing devices Prof. Jones? Sounds like a wild unsupported theory to me that will certainly do a good job of making us sound and look crazy.

Jones replied:

The evidence supporting the existence of Earthquake inducing devices is considerable and growing, along with statements by Sec'y of Defense Cohen (and Z. Brzezinski) of their existence.

You would do well to attend my talk, or get a copy of the DVD of it. After you have seen the hard evidence presented, you may wish to withdraw your statement that this view is "unsupported."

However -- I hasten to add that this is not something that I can do direct experiments on. This is not on a par, in this sense, with my 9/11 research. I have to wait for the grid-patterns and cluster-patterns to appear where there are no known earthquake faults, and gather and analyze the data. This I have done.

Fascinating CBS Footage from 9-11

We can see the smoke pouring out of WTC-7 during some early footage, and the building collapses starting around 1:50 (when the penthouse disappears). Note in particular that although the woman is clearly frightened when the building collapses, there are no sounds of ear-splitting explosions prior to the collapse, as happens in controlled demolitions.

Around 20:00 in, there is some very scary footage of somebody walking around after the South Tower collapsed, but before the fall of the North Tower. Starting around 31:00 in, one of the CBS reporters and his cameraman go up close and personal to WTC-7; it's quite gripping footage. I had seen the part where the guy talks about this being as close as he's ever come to a war zone, but not the bit before with the views of WTC-7 as the flames roar.

And who's that who pops up at 43:54? Why, it's Brian Good's bete noir, Willie Rodriguez. For those who missed it, Brian commented in the last post:

Maybe Willie evacuated Felipe David (and maybe not) but I'd hardly call that heroic. Then he went into a burning building. Big deal--the fire was 90 floors above, and everybody knows modern buildings don't fall from fire. Not one person will verify his claim that he climbed to the 39th floor opening doors. David Lim is named in Willie's account six times at least, and Willie is named not once in Lim's account.

By Willie's account, as soon as he learned there was any danger at all, he abandoned his quest to rescue his friends at Windows on the World and he took his allegedly-life-saving "Key of Hope" with him and went to evacuate one man on the 27th floor.
If his claim that he saved hundreds of lives by opening doors up to 39 was correct, then by turning back he was abandoning hundreds of people to die. He covers this over by claiming that floors 65 to 43 fell down so they were already dead. It's total baloney. Hundreds of people did not die on floors 65 to 43.

But as you can hear, Willie's story was the same that day. He mentions Lim by name, and talks about a collapse of floor 65. You know what this makes me think of? Way back when, there was a History Channel documentary on the Troofers where a college professor remarked that they want to remake the story so that they're the heroes. Brian Good would have saved everybody in Windows on the World had he been there. And if he'd been at the Pentagon he would have shot down AA77 before it crashed.

But as it is, he can only be a hero on the internet by denying the heroism of others.

Update: Brian tries to rescue his point in the comments (ignoring his being corrected on prior mistakes):

Pat, Willie went into a burning building when the fire was 90 floors away. The only thing that makes his action heroic is if you believe his claims that there were bombs going off--and there's no reason to believe it. As soon as he understood that there was actual danger to himself, he started to leave--and lied about his reason for leaving, claiming a 22-story collapse that never happened.

But what's this:

Lim:
"I literally had to kick him out. This guy wanted to stay--"

Of course, Brian Good, the real hero janitor of 9-11 would not have submitted to being kicked out. He would have informed Lim that there was no chance the tower could collapse, and he would have saved everybody in the building. Because that's the kind of guy Brian Good is.

Brian Good's Greatest Hits

Since he seems to be our designated Troofer commenter this week, I thought we might review some of the more memorable moments of insanity from Mr Good.

Brian posts at the Democratic Underground forum as Petgoat. He made one of the greatest conspiracy theory posts ever in May, a true classic of the genre.

Almost 18 months ago I shared these sketches, which didn't go over very well here.

Acknowledgment that his genius has so far gone unrecognized.

I'm not an engineer. I've worked in construction and read lots of books on building and I operate a lot in the failure mode through taking on the repair of hopelessly broken stuff other people consider garbage, and when I'm building stuff for my own use I deliberately underbuild it to try to generate instructive failures. My first project was as a five-year-old--a chair that provided an interesting (and instant) shear failure when I sat on it.

Admission that he lacks formal training but a claim that his real-world experience makes up for it, followed by a humorous anecdote.

I have reason to believe that one of these days you're going to see some diagrams from more authoritative sources that look something like these.

The usual megalomania claim that someday he'll be regarded as prescient. Petgoat followed up with a series of incomprehensible drawings, only one of which I'll present here:



When the sheeple responded that they could not understand his point, Brian lashed out with one of the alltime greatest quotes by a troofer:

If your co-workers have any questions, intelligent or otherwise, please forward them. That you were unable to intuit the obvious implications of rakeonrake suggests that, if they're anything like you, they won't have any at all.

Of course, Brian is always quotable:

What is proposed is that the giant core structure of the WTC, built to carry 10X the weight of the entire tower above, should have captured the disorganized wreckage of the WTC wreckage that was disintegrated core above it, rather than collapsing under this relatively small amount of wreckage.

Meatball on a fork is a metaphor.

Had it not been for Sofia's amazing "Clunkety-clunk", Brian would be remembered today as the person who had the two greatest quotes ever by a 9-11 "Truther".

One of the more amusing soap opera plots in the soap opera world of the Troofers was the star-crossed friendship of Carol Brouillet and Brian Good, discussed at Carol's site. In September 2007 they were side by side, fighting the New World Order:

The great thing (for me) was that I was, at least, able to do the rally, march, and hand out the cards, which would have been impossible had it not been for Chuck and Brian and Scott, Bill, Bob, Camille, and others who helped carry stuff, set-up, minded the table, and pass out cards, too- it really was a group effort. One of us can make a little noise, but together we can have a big impact- I would say we did reach our message to most of the crowd at the Concert- and that we definitely felt our work and efforts were appreciated by most of the public and our fellow activists.

I still have to unload and repack the car- for Brian who will be tabling at the Grand Lake Theater tomorrow.

They were superheroes for 9-11 Troof:

Fortunately, the most important thing I learned at the Storyfield Conference was "Radical Forgiveness" so I'm not going to beat myself up for doing a lousy job pulling together the rally and march. It was very small. Bernie came and sang his songs, but we had no prominent speakers- just those of us hardcore 9/11 Truth activists who have been doing the work- and one journalist/photographer from some University or another, covering the event. I just didn't have time to do all the organizing, legwork, outreach to pull off something big. Knowing it would probably be small, Brian and I donned the superhero costumes to add drama/color/draw attention to our rather small march. I don't think we were many beyond 30 people- but we were loud, and sang most of the way.

But things quickly turned sour:

I was stunned at last night's meeting when I was attacked heavily by Brian Good on the November 1st event AND the Trick or Truth idea, AND War on War Week- because of Kevin Barrett's involvement AND for having Captain May on my radio show. Jeremy Begin took Brian's side and the group voted against endorsing War on War Week and using any of our funds to promote it.

Unfortunately, Brian wrote a LONG attack email directed at me and cced to most of the local activists this morning which I was forced to respond to- and ate up much of my precious time. No press advisories were sent out- I missed the big peace rally.

I just hope when I get through this difficult period that I will be able to look back and appreciate the hard lesson that I was forced to learn from this experience, but I'm still in the midst of it, and royally mad at Brian for his incredibly bad judgement, and being so counterproductive.

On the brighter side, I do appreciate my family and friends more than ever for their understanding, love, and support, and I do hope that the time I spent responding to Brian's accusations might help increase understanding between Kevin Barrett and his accusers and mend some bridges (undoing the damage caused by those who are TRYING to create rifts in the movement and unjustly attacking Kevin Barrett, and Captain May, and I for being in league with those who have created some awful websites and films that target 9/11 Truth activists as members of Al Qaeda- with names, addresses and encouraging people to use violence against them.)

You know how it is; Brian was probably right to blast her for associating with complete fruitcakes like Barrett and May, but of course who does he want her to associate with? Fruitcakes like him.

At any rate, they apparently got so hostile towards each other that Carol began not attending events if Brian would be present:

I was so busy yesterday, making plane reservations, taking Jeremy to the orthodontist, feeding him, before he had to leave for the play he's working on at school, and I couldn't get a straight answer from Brian as to whether or not he was going to the meeting, so I could figure out carpooling with Chuck and whether I needed to write a letter or not to the group. Fortunately, Chuck called Brian, received assurance that he wouldn't go to the meeting- so I went.

Sadly Brian is putting all his energy into counterproductive attacks, and I am doing my best to ignore him, and not let bother me, and I try to channel my anger into something productive like the work at hand.

About eight of us will be attending the Media Strategy Summit in Santa Cruz at the end of the month. We voted to ask Brian not to attend meetings or be on committees- which was the most emotional, painful part of the meeting for most of us. I can't handle the emotional abuse.

Good is also active with Box Boy Gage's group, and caused some uproar back in 2007 when he sent out emails from an AE 911 Troof email address that blasted Willie Rodriguez.

So if you encounter him in the comments, be humble; you're dealing with a world-famous fathead!