How Many Cults Are Involved In 9-11 Denial?

I am continually amazed at the number of kooky cults that you find involved in the 9-11 Denial Movement. We've covered in some detail the URANTIA ties of Les Jamieson and Byron Belitsos, one of the founders of 9-11 Truth Dot Org. The Lyndon LaRouche Movement is well-represented with Webster Tarpley, a former spokesman for LaRouche in Europe, and a number of members in the NY 9-11 Deniers group, according to Nico Haupt and confirmed in the video of Nico's dustup with Les Jamieson at St. Mark's.

And those cults seem positively normal when compared to the reptoid alien believers. David Icke is of course the most famous. Less known but equally nutty are the Cassiopaeans of Laura Knight-Jadczyk. Knight-Jadczyk's contribution to the 9-11 bookshelf is called 9-11 The Ultimate Truth.

9/11: The Ultimate Truth makes a strong case for the idea that September 11, 2001 marked the moment when our planet entered the final phase of a diabolical plan that has been many, many years in the making. It is a plan developed and nurtured by successive generations of ruthless individuals who relentlessly exploit the negative aspects of basic human nature to entrap humanity as a whole in endless wars and suffering in order to keep us confused and distracted to the reality of the man behind the curtain.

Richard Heinberg is a Peak Oil theorist. We have not spent a great deal of time going over the Peak Oil folks here. Basically their theory is that we are already pumping as much oil out of the ground as possible and that inevitably oil production will start to decline, causing a big spike in prices. Some of the Peak Oil folks believe that the government plans to kill off 80% of the world's population so that the survivors have plenty of oil. At any rate, Heinberg is a self-admitted former cult member:

"For a time he lived in Colorado's Sunrise Ranch, an intentional community that served as the headquarters for an organization called "Emissaries of the Divine Light" It was "a sort of benign cult." he says.

Note: It is easy to assume that there are so many people from other cults in the 9-11 Denial Movement because if you're nutty enough to fall for one kooky idea, you're probably nutty enough to fall for another. Which would be fine if these people were just followers of 9-11 Denial. But in fact, they are leaders, authors and important people in this movement.

Anybody aware of more cult ties to 9-11 Denial? I have heard that Alex Jones often has Scientologists on his show, but denies any personal involvement in Scientology.

More Urantia Connections?

Nico Haupt and others keep finding more about the Urantia issue. I'll confess that at first I thought that Les Jamieson's membership in the Urantia fellowship and his work at the NY 9-11 Truthers was just an indicator that those silly enough to fall for one kooky idea will be silly enough to fall for another. But it looks like there may be more here than meets the eye.

Nico points to this post over at the Urantia Book Readers Online Network.

Author: Byron Belitsos
Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2004
MessageID: 58908
Subject: Fahrenheit 911 and new books on 9/11
Topic: Politics and Debates

I am a committed lurker, but I think it appropriate for me to post a message in reply to Colter. In three days from now, my publishing company will be shipping a brand new book about 9/11 which many on UBRON will find disturbing and challenging. The book is entitled "Inside Job: Unmasking the 9/11 Conspiracies." It is by Jim Marrs, a well-known investigative journalist whose book "Crossfire" was the basis of the Oliver Stone movie "JFK." I am also a founding member of 911Truth.org, the umbrella organization of the key activists, writers, journalists, and websites involved in the 9/11 truth movement.

So now we have another Urantia member who is a founder of 911Truth.org and who published Jim Marrs' book? Belitsos' publishing company has also published books on One World Government, a definite no-no among most of the members of the "Patriot" movement.

More Doings at the NY Deniers Group

This stuff is rather amusing to me, but may be a little too "inside baseball" for general interest.

When the topic did come up, you answered the question and according to your previous email "I told you last spring after answering your questions about Urantia to free to ask again if any new questions pop up." In light of the barrage of Urantia emails from Nico, Tom brought up some more questions about the topic at a recent Wednesday night meeting, as you had previously welcomed.You clearly said to the entire group 1. you never had any position of authority in Urantia and were "only a reader" and 2. you have not been involved with Urantia since '99, when you went to South Africa to to be of just a few Urantia representatives at the 'Parliament of World Religions'. But of course we all knew this because of the emails we got from Nico.

I later spoke with Tom after that meeting, and we began talking about the questions that he had asked, and the answers that you, Les, gave. Very nonchalantly, I said to Tom "you do know he lying right" because, like I said, I researched this issue and found these links that prove that you lied to the group at the Wednesday meeting

Les, I don't know if you are CIA, COINTELPRO, or what, but it is very clear that right now you are doing more to hurt the movement than anyone else.

- Ryan Rodrigues

It is quite apparent that the infighting in the New York Deniers group will continue until morale improves.

More Urantia

Now some of the anti-Nico folks at the NY 9-11 Denier group have taken up the issue.

Well here it goes. This is what is going on:
1. Les Jamison has called and emailed leaders and members of national 9/11 truth movements saying I, Luke Rudkowski, and Tom Foti are infiltrators. This is because Tom has asked Les a question about his involvement in Urantia. Which he publicly lied to the group about. It should be noted, I had to find from people all over the country about Les' attempt to slander me.

All Tom did was write an email about our public meeting where we established a public policy, and suggested that you accept the invitation for a televised discussion about questions regarding your religious associations.