Monday, May 21, 2007

MP3 of Rob Bishop Show Debate with Jason Bermas Available

Thanks to Rob and his producer Mike Chambers for putting this on the web. (Best way to listen is to right click and "save target as", then open up the MP3).

Corrections: Both Rob & Jason insist that a fireball could not have injured the man Willie Rodriguez saw. They should be aware that Willie himself has said it was a fireball on several occasions:


What happened was the ball of fire went down with such a force down the elevator shaft on the 58th (50A) – freight elevator, the biggest freight elevator that we have in the North Tower, it went out with such a force that it broke the cables. It went down, I think seven flights. The person survived because he was pulled from the B3 level. But this person, being in front of the doors waiting for the elevator, practically got his skin vaporized."

To CNN on the one-year anniversary:

“And at that terrible day when I took people out of the office, one of them totally burned because he was standing in front of the freight elevator and the ball of fire came down the duct of the elevator itself, I put him on the ambulance.”

Hat Tip on Willie to Mark Roberts' amazing 120-page discussion refuting many of Willie's more recent claims.

At about 40:23 Jason says that the satellite images show temperatures in excess of 2000 degrees. Cooperative Research, which is a conspiracy theory website has those images, but here's what they say:

Analysis of the data it collects indicates temperatures at Ground Zero of above 800 degrees Fahrenheit, with some areas above 1,300 degrees. On September 16, dozens of “hot spots” are seen, but by September 23, only four or five remain.

Further backup for my point that if there were pools of molten metal, those pools were certainly not molten steel, which would require a temperature in excesss of 2800 degrees.

At 52:16 or so, Rob plays a Tony Snow clip about the "Office of Homeland Defense" making it clear that he finds it very suspicious that there was such an office prior to 9-11. Of course, the Office of Homeland Defense is not the same thing as the Office of Homeland Security, and in fact had been proposed and created by the Clinton Administration under William Cohen:

What happens if a terrorist sarin gas attack occurs in New York or Washington or Los Angeles -- or all three at once? Who is to respond?

Defense Secretary William S. Cohen asked these questions Oct. 2 [2000] in a speech to the Center for Strategic and International Studies here. The answer, he said, is the Department of Defense.

Cohen said when he first proposed formation of a "commander-in-chief for homeland defense" the idea was controversial. "Immediately there were questions being raised as to whether or not this would intrude upon the constitutional prohibitions of getting our military involved in domestic affairs," he said.

And the concept of a cabinet level agency had been proposed several months before by a government panel headed by Gary Hart and Warren Rudman:

One striking recommendation: Convert the Federal Emergency Management Agency into a "National Homeland Security Agency." The new agency would be chartered in law to provide a focal point for government response in "all natural and man-made crisis and emergency planning scenarios."

The NHSA director would enjoy Cabinet rank, undergo Senate confirmation, and serve as an advisor to the National Security Council--as is the case today with the director of central intelligence. The panel believes the proposed structure would ensure that one person is accountable to the President for homeland defense policy-making and implementation.

So the notion that this was some super-secret agency and Tony Snow accidentally let the cat out of the bag is ridiculous. It's another one of our Merry Pason confessions.

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