Thursday, March 03, 2011

The Brilliance of Cass Sunstein

What's the best way to destroy a conspiracy theory movement?

Answer: Suggest that some of the members might be government agents.

This is almost too funny for words. Cass Sunstein, a former Harvard professor and current member of the Obama Administration, suggested in a paper that the government consider "cognitive infiltration" of conspiracy theory groups, with the idea that "Government agents (and their allies) might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action."

Well, to a bunch of paranoids, everybody looks like a government agent. Consider the comments over at Flogger on the thread concerning Alex Jones' appearance on The View. There are some over there who consider Jones an imperfect vessel for the "Truthers" to pour their hopes and aspirations into:

Sorry folks, hate to break the news to you, but AJ getting this publicity is BAD NEWS for the truth movement. One visit to infowars and you are immersed in conspiratorial theories, mixed in with facts, so that while some of the facts are true, there are so many theories and mis-info linked, that the media will only use it to rip us apart. Try going on there and simply find basic facts about 9/11. It's rather difficult and takes some sifting. They will paint all people who are seeking justice being just like Alex Jones, and in case you didn't know...
That's a bad thing.

Well, how dare anybody diss AJ?

Hello , Cass Sunstein.

Jon Gold, one of the "responsible" Troofers, rachets the paranoia up a notch:
"This movement was infiltrated and manipulated LONG before Cass Sunstein made his suggestion about doing so. When he wrote his piece, the first thing that popped into my mind was, "where the hell have you been?"

And we're off to the races. What's nuttier than believing that some of the Troofers are secretly working for the government? Well, believing that Cass Sunstein is secretly a "Truther" probably qualifies:
a lot of people in the TM are unaware that DRG has esoterically decoded Cass Sunstein's words in the book Cognitive Infiltration I read it and i think CS could well be a closet one of us who doesn't want to get fired there are indicators in his footnotes where he deliberately contradicts himself if you replace "the 9/11 conspiracy theory" with "the bush/cheney 9/11 conspiracy theory" then suddenly CS's theses ring true including the notion that the OCT leads to violence whereas it would be preposterous to say that the 9/11 TM is leading to violence

The rabbit hole always goes deeper; there's always another red pill to take!

Meanwhile, John Parulis, last seen orchestrating the Troofer Burn fiasco in 2007, where he was supposed to cut through some steel beams holding up a "Truth" sculpture to demonstrate how nanothermite brought down the towers, before he got cold feet and instead burned some thermite in a pail, checks in with a discussion of the cognitive infiltration he's witnessed in the movement:

Due to sloppy vetting procedures, two individuals were allowed into the group and one became a board member of Architects and Engineers. This guy started floating ideas out about changing the emphasis of our mission away from “controlled demolition” into something he called “engineered destruction”.

So it was a semantic shift but a very important one, because words have power and AE911Truth was founded on the very strong evidence of controlled demolition in the three World Trade Towers, that’s a theme that Richard Gage harps on constantly and continuously and…

Then he had an associate in there and they started attacking the authors of the nanothermite paper, in fact at one point calling them amateur investigators.

Sloppy vetting procedures? Mike Rotch will no doubt be shocked to hear that! But it gets better, much better. They go into the recent paper over at Flogger on David Ray Griffin's BS voice-morphing claims:

And I think it’s a barometer of what’s going on at 911blogger, that that kind of hateful posting about one of the premier researchers of 9/11 Truth, in fact the man, who is personally responsible for turning Richard Gage on to 9/11 Truth, David Ray Griffin, would be so abused in this thread.

Now I did break the rules of 911blogger, I named names, and I called out some of the people on…. were making these types of posts. And I asked them to be accountable for the past ten or twenty years of their lives. That’s one thing that I ran into as a roadblock with one of the people I mentioned at the AE911Truth controversy.

I talked to this guy on the phone and I said you know I’ve been looking for you on the internet, I can’t see anything. I, I said: “Why don’t you tell me about yourself, you know, what i… what’s your educational background, where have you spent the past ten or fifteen years of your life and he said: “I’m not talking about that…”

I cannot imagine why a paranoid fruitcake would not be willing to disclose that information, can you? And you gotta love this part:

I think there were some legitimate concerns about the fake phonecall study of Dr. Griffin. I think that’s not one of his strong points, I think, perhaps there are some problems with the analysis, but… one of the things that we had decided in the AE911Truth internal conflict we had a year ago was to keep our problem inhouse and not discuss it in public or let it go out there.

Erm, until now, I suppose? DOH!


At 03 March, 2011 17:47, Blogger Triterope said...

Sloppy vetting procedures? Mike Rotch will no doubt be shocked to hear that!

Now that's funny.

At 04 March, 2011 07:07, Blogger TANSTAAFL said...

That there is some primo, first cut nuttiness.

At 04 March, 2011 07:55, Blogger James B. said...

Everything is going exactly to plan. bwahahahaha!

At 04 March, 2011 12:46, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

"The aggregate material in WTC concrete sample appears to be expanded shale." -USGS

But...But...Pat told me it was fly ash, after insisting that it was torches, and calling people 'retarded' who didn't believe his sourceless claims.

What happened, Pat? Were you wrong twice, and still refuse to admit it?

At 04 March, 2011 13:55, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...


At 04 March, 2011 18:22, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"Cosmos" gets caught red-handed quote mining, and scribbles, "...'The aggregate material in WTC concrete sample appears to be expanded shale.' -USGS"

Quote mining, asshole?

That would certainly explain why you were so careful not to provide a link to your source.

The USGS wrote--and I quote: "...Concrete is composed of aggregate, sand, and Portland cement...Particles identifiable as concrete in WTC dust are those constituting the Portland cement component. Portland cement particles will usually have a high Ca peak accompanied by Si and/or Al, Mg, Fe...The primary metal and metal-oxide phases in WTC dust are Fe-rich and Zn-rich particles."





At 04 March, 2011 18:31, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Lightweight, low water content expanded shale, clay and slate cementitious compositions and methods of their production and use

United States Patent 5725652

"...An improved lightweight cementitious product made up of an aqueous cementious mixture using cement and expanded shale, clay and slate mix, that can incorporate fly ash, lime, and the weight saving component, which is micronized polystyrene particles having particle sizes in the range of 50 to 2000 microns, and characterized by having water contents in the range of from about 0.5% to 50% v/v. The ultra low water compositions can be extruded and can be molded under high pressure."

Thus, expanded shale does contain fly ash.

Have a heaping helping of fail, "Cosmos."

Grade: F-

At 04 March, 2011 18:58, Blogger GuitarBill said...



"...Concrete with full structural efficiency contain aggregates which fall on the other end of the scale and which are generally made with expanded shale, clay, slates, slag, and fly-ash."

Ouch, that hurts, "Cosmos."

Now, go lick your wounds, dust boi.


Grade: F-

At 04 March, 2011 19:28, Blogger Michael Lewis said...

Ouch, that hurts, "Cosmos."

I don't think Cowardly is Cosmos. I think it's Robert Rice.

At 04 March, 2011 19:58, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

Whoever he is I'm pretty sure he wears Tranformers pajamas with feet.

At 05 March, 2011 18:56, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's so amusing that these losers think that the Federal Government is investing taxpayer money in trying to sabotage them. It's such self-indulgent narcissism. Truthers probably don't even register with the FBI. The only conspiracy nuts they bother infiltrating are the ones that actually represent a threat to public safety like the various white-supremacist, sovereign citizen, militia movement types. The aforementioned groups probably subscribe to Truther ideas but most Truthers are unorganized benign wackos not worth the attention of a local sheriff.

At 09 March, 2011 16:00, Blogger snug.bug said...

So let's see, Harvard Professor Cass Sunstein recommends that federal agents infiltrate internet groups to counteract their "crippled epistemology", he is not only not ridiculed for making such a suggestion, he is appointed Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, and then you think truthers are narcissists because they take Sunstein's proposals seriously, as everyone else seems to?


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