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Guess who got a Cease & Desist letter?
Copyright infringement is such a beeeayatch!
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Copyright infringement is such a beeeayatch!
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Sometimes you just have to break the rules and let the chips fall where they may. Being the Loose Change producers have no money and the video is already in the public domain the letter is too little too late. However, I fully expect it to get pulled from google any day now. However, the video is still available in its entirety on P2P networks so..
I know you guys wet your pants with this one but it really don't mean squat. In fact, it may bring even more publicity to the video if it is blacklisted.
NESNYC, that's life. Lots of stuff out there that people download, like you say this might result in more folks seeing it because of the story.
I'm glad that Dylan and his buddies are going to be in court for the next decade.
DUDE!!! The comments over at the LC forum are PRICELESS.
i'm sorry but how can you copyright footage of a natural disaster such as this
This has nothing to do with copyright - its all about cover-up. The Naudets was probably involved in the whole scheme from the very beginning...they were really lucky with those shots on 9/11 - don´t you think?
These guys [the Naudets] are part of the system and they served some sort of purpose on 911. And this may be part of it.
So now the FRENCH are in on it? Sorry nesnyc. You guys just lost that tiny miniscule thread of pseudo-credibility you had going for ya'.
HAHAHA!!
(..... the effing French. Priceless.....)
I'm glad that Dylan and his buddies are going to be in court for the next decade.
It may be true that he'll be in court for the next decade but it doesn't necessarily need to be so. This is a clear case of infringement, what can they argue? The fines will be so excessive they really won't even get the chance to pay not even a percentage of it. I'm sure they'll have to pay something but being first time offenders the judge and jury might be lenient if the government doesn't tamper with the process. If they end up in jail for a long time, then the movie did indeed touch on some truths because the criminals will then have made them political prisoners.
Sorry nesnyc. You guys just lost that tiny miniscule thread of pseudo-credibility you had going for ya'.
No need to apologize. Loose Change is but one small part of the movement that is spreading so fast its spurring action like this to squelch dissenting viewpoints. Just because you loose one finger doesn't mean you can't write anymore. The movement will go on with or without Loose Change and that is what is really frightening the neo-fascist establishment of which you guys are part of.
It's not a lawsuit or an indictment, kids. It's a cease and desist order. It's what you get when you use someone's work without authorization. The creator of the content can ignore it, or demand you stop. If you don't stop, they can sue you. If you do stop, they can still sue you but is generally not worth the effort unless huge money is involved. LC ain't huge money.
It happens all the time. Hell, James just committed copyright infringement on Ann Coulter two posts ago, the rights to which are owned by Hearst Media, thus James is now a candidate for a lawsuit. But he's nowhere near as important as Dylan Avery, so he won't get any mention.
Very true! The cease and desist is needed in any planned action however, it IS the first step and unfortunately for Loose Change, there is no way to retract what's already out there so I'm sure a suite will commence shortly. Copyright infringement happens all the time but it's only enforced when the "powers that be" want to prove a point or copyright holders think they're missing part of the action somehow. We'll see how this turns out.
Uh, NESNYC, unless the courts dramatically expand the DMCA, I cannot imagine them serving any time. The issue in the lawsuit is money.
I actually agree with nesnyc that this'll probably only make the film more popular. And I have a feeling that nothing substantial will result out of any of this.
What's telling though is the mentality of the people that follow this crowd religiously. As soon as their prophet of truth comes under fire, "it's the French!"
You CTers can sit their and say those of us in the real world have a blind-faith mentality when it comes to the government.
But only after a long, hard look in the mirror.
I am no lawyer, but it has always been my understanding that you are allowed to use small excerpts, such as my Ann Coulter snippet, for academic purposes. If I were charging people $17.95 each to view this blog, then I would pay more attention.
CTers Update:
The Naudet brothers are now suspected Freemasons.
I just can't wait for Dylan's response: "We are not going to recognize this letter because it is a fake. My driveway is not wide enough to accomodate mail truck. Despite several eyewitness accounts that the mailman delivered this letter, one man thought he saw the mailman carrying a net. The letter is dated on the day before Memorial Day weekend (mail doesn't run on that day). My neighbor got a call from Condi Rice warning him that official letters were being served that day. Based on all that, there is only on conclusion. The letter faked by an angry dog-catcher."
Uh, NESNYC, unless the courts dramatically expand the DMCA, I cannot imagine them serving any time. The issue in the lawsuit is money.
I'm pretty certain the DMCRA has provisions for fines and jail time but not sure of the extent. What I think will happen is they might have a judgment levied and when they can't pay it, they will be cited with contempt. That's usually how things can go no? I have to dig through the DMCRA and check it out again.
The Naudet brothers are now suspected Freemasons.
There were always questions about these two documentary producers as they coincidentally were the only ones to film the first strike. I never took it seriously but hey, you never know...
Yeah, and Zapruder was there for a reason, right? ;)
I've paid exactly $0 for the pleasure of watching (rewatching, and referring dozens of others).
Ah, the spread of disinformation. Much like a virus, no?
Back and to the left, roger! Back and to the left!
Here's another for the copyright police :D
I found it to be extremely educational.
Are you honestly that stupid? As has been said before, practically the only thing they got right was the date.
The factual and logical errors the film makes are legion.
And yes, you've cought me. I'm part of a vast consiracy to plant leftist disinformation on right leaning bulletin boards. The IWW has me on salary, with funds they acquired through Jimmy Hoffa's mob ties and the extortion of protection money from the 700 club. And the Jews. They're always in on it.
Strawman, I never said it was some conspiracy (I don't think like you nutjobs, my worldview is painted by logic). I don't think Dylan and Co. believe in the movie they made (much like I doubt Dan Brown believes the historically incorrect background of the Da Vinci Code), but they knew most Americans (including yourself) are ignorant enough in the facts and the basics of logic and logical fallacies that you'd buy their movie hook, line, and sinker.
I'm sure you thought JFK was educational, too.
Back and to the left, Roger! Back and to the left!
(I wish you knew why I mocked you with that line. Sadly, I highly doubt it.)
If they end up in jail for a long time, then the movie did indeed touch on some truths because the criminals will then have made them political prisoners.
Do you ever get sick of using logical fallacies?
I commented pretty far down on this post.
It's intesting to see the evidence, based on this this post, and Pat's comment ("in court for the next decade"), to see how clearly the purpose of this blog is a grudge match against the filmmakers of Loose Change rather than this being about a reasoned debate of the obvious cover up of what happened on 9/11.
but they knew most Americans (including yourself) are ignorant enough in the facts and the basics of logic and logical fallacies that you'd buy their movie hook, line, and sinker.
Same mechanism is at work for the Bin Laden lie.
Yeah, and I'm done with my videos debunking loose change :D
You've made you own videos? I'd like to see them. I'd sure Pat or James would link to them as well.
Same mechanism is at work for the Bin Laden lie.
As I'm not ignorant...
Prisonplanet isn't a valid source, either.
Glad to see them "in court for the next decade"?
Well I'm glad to see you finally come clean and show that this is a personal vendetta against the filmmakers, instead of a serious rebuttal to the movie's presentation.
The court case has nothing to do with 9/11 Truth and has everything to do with money. The Naudet brothers clearly saw LC's amazing success and want a chunk of it.
Whether they are "in court for the next decade" or not, has no bearing on LC3E. The lawsuit cannot stop this movie from being made. They don't NEED the Naudet clips to make LC3E turn America upside down.
Whether they are "in court for the next decade" or not, has no bearing on LC3E. The lawsuit cannot stop this movie from being made. They don't NEED the Naudet clips to make LC3E turn America upside down.
I love how the Truthers have no problem with the Big Lie turning America "upside down".
'His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.' - OSS report on Hitler's Big lie technique
Sounds exactly like Dylan and Co. and their film.
Well I'm glad to see you finally come clean and show that this is a personal vendetta against the filmmakers, instead of a serious rebuttal to the movie's presentation.
I'd rather not see them in prison, just ridiculed for myriad logical fallacies and factual inmaccuracies.
Want to see my movie? I do both, using their own footage against them.
I'd like to.
Markyx, sure!
better than warrantless wiretapping
Not illegal.
and phone record collecting
Next you'll tell me the Constitution isn't consitutional.
claiming "fallacy" and "sequitur" without any explanation.
You don't know what a non sequitur is (it's a logical fallacy itself)? And why should we have to explain every logical fallacy we point out? The first time I've pointed out each separate logical fallacy on the blog, I explained it then. If someone continues using the fallacy I explain it again. Everyone should know the basics of logical thinking and logical fallacies.
Scott, the problem is i explain why something is logical fallacy over and over and over again and people continue using those fallacies. At that point the frustration mounts till you can only insult the person, because even the most basic precepts of logical and critical thinking have been thrown out the door.
You can't argue fallacies, and you can't argue against them. You can only point them out.
Hell, I've explained the post hoc logical fallacy to at least four different posters on this blog, yet they (nesnyc chief among them) continue to use it as 'evidence' for a conspiracy by the government.
It goes a little something like this.
The government has done terrible things.
9/11 was a terrible thing.
Ergo, the government committed 9/11.
Oh, thought so. Nesnyc and roger are now pretending logical fallacies don't exist (under the guise of my supposed misuse of them, which has yet to occur).
Scott, I have to agree with Shawn. There really is no arguing.
I've been commenting here for the past couple weeks and at times, the frustration level is overwhelming. I think what the CTers fail to realize is that speculation and happenstance don't make for solid facts.
And it's virtually impossible to debate people like that, regardless of how pleasant you come across.
PS - Happy Memorial Day
Prisonplanet isn't a valid source, either.
See, this proves my point and why you guys will NEVER get the correct story and always want some "official" source to keep you in hypnosis. Didn't anyone tell you not to judge a book by its cover?
The Prisonplanet link I posted refers to a series that aired on BBC and if you took the time to look at it, you'll conclude that "Al Qaeda" and Bin Laden are nothing but global bogeymen pushed by the US government. The devils in the details... THAT YOU ALWAYS MISS!
Wow, nesnyc. Looks like I was right not to follow you to that ridiculous website.
It's a little embarrassing that the lawyers letter has a typo and makes reference to the "Untied (sic) States of America"...
You guys can stop the circle jerk.
Dylan has already settled up with the Naudet brothers and the Truth Movement is rolling right along!
He settled up with two of the co-conspirators!?!?!
... shocking.
Chad, you have to remember that Dylan is part of the second-level conspiracy.
the Truth Movement is rolling right along!
So if that movement can label itself the Truth Movement, can we now call anyone wanting war a peace supporter?
Orwell is spinning in his grave thanks to you guys, realist (what a misnomer you got there, pal).
I'm kinda surprised they pussied out instead of letting themselve be dragged to court and sued -- they would have gotten alot of attention for their cause, and it would only have cost them a few hundred thousand in litigative costs (how are those t-shirt sales going, guys?)
i would have figured that the money would have been nothing to them but for a chance to get their word out there. heh.
this is my first and only post on this absolutely assinine website.
we did not get a "cease and desist" letter. anyone with half a brain would realize that there is absolutely no legal merit to their claims, or their letter. it's a four page threat.
we didn't "pussy out" and we're not going "to be in court for the next decade", much to your chagrin, I'm sure.
we are clearly covered under "fair use" and even the lawyers suing us know it.
you guys really need to focus your lives on something more positive. i could care less about this site.
we know we're right, and the 9/11 family members are on our side. except for maybe debra burlingame.
the best part is, if we weren't on to something, sites and people like this wouldn't exist.
why fight something, unless you're afraid of it?
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