Wednesday, May 10, 2006

Jet Engine Red Herrings

I previously discussed the American Free Press, now here is an example of how Loose Change uses them as a source. Not only is AFP a questionable source to begin with, but the article they are citing, doesn't even make the point the filmmakers are attempting to make. Here they are trying to prove that a 757 didn't hit the pentagon:

Likewise, the two engines should have been found relatively intact at the Pentagon. Instead, there was a single turbo-jet engine approximately 3 feet in diameter found inside the building.

After this photo was published by American Free Press












Readers wrote in to suggest that the turbine was a piece from the Auxiliary Power Unit - APU mounted in the tail section of the 757. Chris Bollyn (of the AFP) contacted Honeywell in Phoenix, Arizona, the manufacturer of a 757's APU. An expert, speaking on the condition of anonymity told him that: "There's no way
that's an APU wheel.”

Bollyn then contacted Pratt & Whitney and Rolls-Royce, The two companies that manufacture 757 engines. Pratt & Whitney pointed Bollyn towards Rolls-Royce and John W Brown a spokesman for Rolls-Royce told Bollyn that, "It is not a part of any Roll's Royce engine that I am familiar with."












Well, why is their spokesman not familiar with it? Loose Change won't tell us. AFP doesn't seem to have the article up, but you can find it reposted on the Internet, here is one link.

John W. Brown, spokesman for Rolls Royce (Indianapolis), had previously told AFP: “It is not a part from any Rolls Royce engine that I’m familiar with, and certainly not the AE 3007H made here in Indy.”

The AE 3007 engines are used in small commuter jets such as the Cessna Citation; the AE 3007H is also used in the military’s unmanned aircraft, the Global Hawk. The Global Hawk is manufactured by Northrop Grumman’s subsidiary Ryan Aeronautical, which it acquired from Teledyne, Inc. in July 1999.

If the government version that an American Airlines 757-200 hit the Pentagon is accurate, then the object in the photo would have to be from a Rolls Royce RB211-535 turbofan engine. When AFP told Brown that it must be a piece of a Rolls Royce engine, Brown balked and asked who at Pratt & Whitney had provided the information.

Asked again if the disc in the photo is a piece of a Rolls Royce RB211-535, or from the AE 3007 series, Brown said he could not answer.

AFP then asked Brown if he was actually familiar with the parts of an AE 3007H, which is made at the Indiana plant: “No,” Brown said. “I don’t build the engines. I am a spokesman for the company. I speak for the company.”
So they ask a spokesman, who doesn't even work at the plant the engines are made, and he tells them straight out that he isn't even familiar with the parts of the engine the plant does make, and could not identify the part regardless, and somehow he becomes a technical expert. In reality the only thing they could accuse him of is being a poor spokesman.

More on this later. And once again thanks to Truth and his excellent research on debunking Loose Change.

8 Comments:

At 03 October, 2006 09:52, Blogger Delta Blues said...

i like how no one has posted anything about this yet since the pro-Loose Change people know how it makes them look.

good research.

 
At 02 November, 2006 00:54, Blogger ironysmirror said...

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At 02 November, 2006 01:32, Blogger ironysmirror said...

Where's the plane and the film from all the cameras(I believe there were 5-6) on the rooftop of the pentagon facing directly in the direction of the "planes" supposed approach..And why were plane routed from Virginia when Andrews is just a few miles away...why Was FAA protocol not followed? If A plane is none responsive and deviates from its course planes are to be immediately dispatched! This occurred numerous times prior to 9-11, yet on 9-11 they waited till not 1 not 2 not 3 not even 4 planes were known to be hijacked but, after not 1 not 2 not even 3 planes had already hit there targets that the president who should have never needed to be involved at all had to get on the phone and say, hey by the way why don't we put some planes in the air and from as far away as possible. And while were at it make sure they don't fly at full speed so we can be sure to not intercept them....while the whole time the VP is watching the plane come straight at the pentagon and not allowing anyone to give orders to intercept...look at the time line it speaks for itself.....oh and I guess all the witnesses who heard bombs were complete idiots and they must have heard some firecrackers....come on people the bin laden wanted poster doesn't even have him listed as wanted for 9-11...do you know why? The FBI does and have said so.....They have no evidence to connect him to the crime! And why didn't bin laden claim responsibility for it when he for all his other bombings he clearly states it was him...but for the biggest and most amazing attack against the infidels he stated. I did not do this but I commend whoever has done it?? I find this alone quite amazing!! And why is there a world wide investigation going on with support of many of the victims families ...and also it's not unamerican to admit you were duped into allowing peoplewith an agenda to lead you blindly in the name of freedom..The Germans did and look what happened....after all how many constitutional rights has Bin laden legislated away from you...NONE and yet the patriot act was written and ready to go before the fact...appaernetly Oklahoma didn't convince congress to pass it...and as coincidence 10 years to the day...G. Bush Sr. Announced "the new world order" "novus ordo seclorum" its written on every dollar bill you handle.....it was also the tittle of Hitlers rare second book..look it up..it seems starnge we always hear about his first book, yeah you know the name don't you.. but not his second book ..I don't know what the truth is but there are some very fishy things going on there...just because someone doesn't back Bush don't dare call them unamerican...after all watch the daily show ..they quite often show clips of the white house cabinet member blatenly contradicting itself..for Example C.Rice stated right after 9-11 we have definitive proof to tie bin laden to this crime and we will present it in due time....WELL were still waiting?? And so is the FBI!!!! Sorry to brake it to you but just because someone is wealthy or powerful doesn't make them honest and out to protect the little guy..look at history it hasn't been often a rich or powerful person has been selfless toward the poor or struggling citizen....3 words come to mind WMD's ..and where are they?? And the whole time during voting we're arguing over who will win control over the house our government ...the republicans or democrats...I am wondering when the American people will get the house...but it's the old simple ploy the rulers have used for thousands of years over the divide and conqure.

 
At 19 February, 2008 19:05, Blogger David said...

I believe the officcal story because the government has never lied to us before. Also no world leaders in history have ever made decisions that put there own people at risk. Face it people no one really wants to know the truth. I mean people still believe in Jesus and teach ther kids about the easter bunny. We want to be stupid. We want to buy insurience. And we love it when we are attacked. We love it. Nothing gives an American President a bigger Hard on the America beeing attacked. You cant ask people to be logical and reconize something that is happening right in front of them.
Dissagree all you want but in side you to scarred to admit you could care less when strangers die, and you love going to war. Respect the memorys of the dead my ass. Liers non of you care about any of those victoms. People who knopw some one who died there us the event to feel specal. Well your not. My freinds are dieing in Iraq for bull shit and you love it.

 
At 19 February, 2008 19:11, Blogger David said...

Buy the my I am recently blind and typing with my Eyes closed. People who discredit some one for makeing typo's are uneducated, and reaching for a complant. "this guy hit the wrong key how could he know any thing." I'm Blind but I can still see reality.

 
At 19 February, 2008 19:11, Blogger David said...

I believe the officcal story because the government has never lied to us before. Also no world leaders in history have ever made decisions that put there own people at risk. Face it people no one really wants to know the truth. I mean people still believe in Jesus and teach ther kids about the easter bunny. We want to be stupid. We want to buy insurience. And we love it when we are attacked. We love it. Nothing gives an American President a bigger Hard on the America beeing attacked. You cant ask people to be logical and reconize something that is happening right in front of them.
Dissagree all you want but in side you to scarred to admit you could care less when strangers die, and you love going to war. Respect the memorys of the dead my ass. Liers non of you care about any of those victoms. People who knopw some one who died there us the event to feel specal. Well your not. My freinds are dieing in Iraq for bull shit and you love it.

 
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