Monday, June 19, 2006

The Loosers In Their Own Words

Mark Roberts, aka Gravy at the JREF Forums, has done the 9-11 Truth Debunking movement another huge service by compiling a terrific PDF file of the Loosers Dylan Avery, Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe in their own words. He listened to a huge number of interviews with the Loosers to put this together. I mean, I know how excruciating it can be, I mean, like transcribing, Dylan's long ramblings. I mean. Be sure to read the interview near the end with Bermas, where he endorses every conspiracy theory under the sun. The phone conversation with holocaust denier and 9-11 nutbar Eric Hufschmid comes in for particular attention. Get this yukking with Dylan and an interviewer, and remember that Loose Change is dedicated to those we lost on 9-11:

Blood: And these pilots, I mean, we interviewed Debra Burlingame, whose brother Chick was the one supposedly flying that plane that hit the Pentagon–
Avery: Oh, that’s right! I heard about that!
Blood: –And of course she is a TOTAL shill for the Republican Party, she also spoke at the [Republican National] Convention. And is it ABSURD that she went on and on about how her brother was ex-military, how she knows that her brother and the other pilots fought for their lives, against these deadly terrorists–
Avery: Yeaaah, yeah. Whatever.
Blood: (mocking an Arabic accent): It is my preevilege to keel you with thees box cutter!
Avery: Ha ha!


More discussion of this file here. Terrific job as always by Mark.

67 Comments:

At 19 June, 2006 20:13, Blogger MarkyX said...

Loose Change: Dedicated to the lives lost on 9/11

 
At 19 June, 2006 20:20, Blogger BG said...

I was just amazed to read this:

"So Mr. Eagar has become reluctantly familiar with Mr. Jones's hypothesis, and he is not impressed. For example, he says, the cascade of yellow-hot particles coming out of the south tower could be any number of things: a butane can igniting, sparks from an electrical arc, molten aluminum and water forming a hydrogen reaction — or, perhaps most likely, a spontaneous, completely accidental thermite reaction.

Occasionally, he says, given enough mingled surface area, molten aluminum and rust can react violently, à la thermite. Given that there probably was plenty of molten aluminum from the plane wreckage in that building, Mr. Eagar says, it is entirely possible that this is what happened."

This quote comes from here: Professors of Paranoia? Academics give a scholarly stamp to 9/11 conspiracy theories

This quote from Eagar is ludicrous. It shows the most careless treatment of the facts, and any scientific treatment of the facts possible.

It is embarrassing, and any of you reading this who have a smidgeon of integrity would review this and see that, although you may not want to change your mind about possible alternative explanations of 9/11, you certainly don't want to pin you prove on Prof. Eagar.

 
At 19 June, 2006 20:30, Blogger shawn said...

It is embarrassing, and any of you reading this who have a smidgeon of integrity would review this and see that

For ONCE take your own advice.

 
At 19 June, 2006 20:32, Blogger Chad said...

This quote from Eagar is ludicrous. It shows the most careless treatment of the facts, and any scientific treatment of the facts possible.

It is embarrassing, and any of you reading this who have a smidgeon of integrity would review this and see that, although you may not want to change your mind about possible alternative explanations of 9/11, you certainly don't want to pin you prove on Prof. Eagar.


WHY BG?

 
At 19 June, 2006 20:33, Blogger BG said...

Shawn,

I know my grammer was off (I may re-comment and delete) but I don't follow you. What specifically would you like me to look at and admit that the argument that is being made is ludicrous.

 
At 19 June, 2006 20:34, Blogger BG said...

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At 19 June, 2006 20:35, Blogger Chad said...

Why is it ludicrous BG?

How does it show the most careless treatment of facts?

Point to some specifics instead of brushing the entire quote off as "dumb".

You're obviously the expert here. Enlighten us.

 
At 19 June, 2006 20:39, Blogger BG said...

Chad,

The reason I say Eagar is grasping as straws is:

Eagar's speculating that the aluminum from the airplane could have created a thermite reaction at all, much less 30 floors below, in a very selected (strategic columns that would lead to collapse) has to be the most laughable idea of 2006. It defies logic completely.

It doesn't even reach the level of the specious arguments used in PM Mag.

 
At 19 June, 2006 20:45, Blogger BG said...

Here a Link that describes what is usually required to create ignition and burning using termite.

I doubt Eagar:

a) has ever made themite or purchased it and witnessed the reaction,

b) has ever reviewed the video on which Dr. Jones bases some of his speculation.

And, he still ignore the evidence of thermate rather than thermite.

 
At 19 June, 2006 21:06, Blogger Chad said...

I doubt Eager.... has ever made themite or purchased it and witnessed the reaction.

He's a materials engineer at MIT. Are you kidding me with that statement??

And watch the video again. Your thermite/mate is falling out of the impact zone. Not 30 floors below.

And you're deluded if you think the only aluminum in that building was from the planes. The entire facade of the building was aluminum....

And about your (strategic columns that would lead to collapse). Are you suggesting that those two or three (I'll even give you five) columns around the corner are the only columns that need to be cut (fail) in order for the building to collapse?? Yet the 100 or so columns the plane took out would have no effect on the structural integrity whatsoever?

That's some pretty shitty engineering if that's the case. You guys might want to start looking into the architect of the towers too. He obviously had a hand in all this.

 
At 19 June, 2006 22:05, Blogger ScottSl said...

"Eagar's speculating that the aluminum from the airplane could have created a thermite reaction at all, much less 30 floors below, in a very selected (strategic columns that would lead to collapse) has to be the most laughable idea of 2006. It defies logic completely. "

The materical from the plane was buring in that exact area. Silver aluminum was seen pouring out close to that location at an earlier time. What laughable is Jones thermite just happens to be in that same location where the airplane debris was.

What's laughable is that Jones says alumium can't turn colors, that the fires can't be 1000C when his own paper states that they could be, (they can also be above 1000C)" that aluminum would have to melt and flow away from the heat source when the floors were buckled, and full of debris.

 
At 19 June, 2006 22:14, Blogger ScottSl said...

I'll add one other thing, I doubt that flow (coming out of the fully deveoped fire) was a pure flow of anything.

 
At 19 June, 2006 22:49, Blogger shawn said...

Avery is both an unbelievable idiot and a disgusting human being.

Let's have a chuckle over those who died!

 
At 19 June, 2006 23:31, Blogger default.xbe said...

no no no, its ok to laugh because they didnt die, they never existed

 
At 20 June, 2006 04:39, Blogger nesNYC said...

Gravy = stalker.

 
At 20 June, 2006 05:03, Blogger MarkyX said...

Nice personal attack nesync. I'm surprised you didn't accuse Gravy of being jewish yes. Anything more to justify your hate and racist tendecies, eh?

 
At 20 June, 2006 05:23, Blogger Alex said...

"Eagar's speculating that the aluminum from the airplane could have created a thermite reaction at all, much less 30 floors below, in a very selected (strategic columns that would lead to collapse) has to be the most laughable idea of 2006. It defies logic completely. "

What defies logic completely is the idea that "the Zionist Amerikkkan CIA" planted thermite in the towers, especialy when you've got an ACTUAL expert (not a political science major for once) telling you that spontaneous thermitic reactions can and do take place in certain circumstances.

 
At 20 June, 2006 05:43, Blogger telescopemerc said...

I'll add one other thing, I doubt that flow (coming out of the fully deveoped fire) was a pure flow of anything.

Indeed. The appearance reminds me of the old "firefalls' they used to do at Yosemite years ago, only not as dense.

 
At 20 June, 2006 07:10, Blogger nesNYC said...

telling you that spontaneous thermitic reactions can and do take place in certain circumstances.

Is that like human spontaneous combustion? Interesting...

 
At 20 June, 2006 07:12, Blogger nesNYC said...

Nice personal attack nesync. I'm surprised you didn't accuse Gravy of being jewish yes. Anything more to justify your hate and racist tendecies, eh?

Personal? Isn't "gravy" bringing the personal with his attacks on the Loose Change crew? Gravy is purely an attack the messenger type. I reiterate, stalker.

 
At 20 June, 2006 07:25, Blogger MarkyX said...

Unlike you, Gravy is using their own words against them. This is something they have said.

For someone who thinks the government is run by facist police state jews, you sure act like one. Freedom is speech is only good if it supports your views, correct?

 
At 20 June, 2006 07:45, Blogger telescopemerc said...

Personal? Isn't "gravy" bringing the personal with his attacks on the Loose Change crew?

It is not a personal attack when all you are doing is quoting what the person says, with proper sourcing and context. Gravy has done that.

Calling him a 'stalker' on the other hand is a personal attack and is unsupported by the evidence.

 
At 20 June, 2006 08:48, Blogger JoanBasil said...

Ha! I don't think those planes were taken over with "boxcutters" (an odd term that I presume means utility knives and if so, why is "boxcutters" consistently used?). I think whoever took over the planes had a gun and shot the pilots in the head. With silencers just like in the movies. There was no opportunity for any resistance.

As for the family members, to a degree they were bought off, sorry to say. There are some who refuse to take the blood money. The purpose of the federal pay-outs was clearly to silence the families, not to save near bankrupt airlines from lawsuits that would take decades to get through the courts anyway. Some of the families who were paid off would have had no legal claim, such as parents of adult children who died. They were given large sums of money and most went along with it and, honestly, I can understand that and not feel animosity towards them or expect them to be crusaders for truth. They're "just people," to quote Britney Spears to Matt Lauer last week.

 
At 20 June, 2006 08:48, Blogger JoanBasil said...

Ha! I don't think those planes were taken over with "boxcutters" (an odd term that I presume means utility knives and if so, why is "boxcutters" consistently used?). I think whoever took over the planes had a gun and shot the pilots in the head. With silencers just like in the movies. There was no opportunity for any resistance.

As for the family members, to a degree they were bought off, sorry to say. There are some who refuse to take the blood money. The purpose of the federal pay-outs was clearly to silence the families, not to save near bankrupt airlines from lawsuits that would take decades to get through the courts anyway. Some of the families who were paid off would have had no legal claim, such as parents of adult children who died. They were given large sums of money and most went along with it and, honestly, I can understand that and not feel animosity towards them or expect them to be crusaders for truth. They're "just people," to quote Britney Spears to Matt Lauer last week.

 
At 20 June, 2006 08:49, Blogger JoanBasil said...

sorry for the double post. Something is bothering this computer.

 
At 20 June, 2006 09:45, Blogger Abby Scott said...

"Some of the families who were paid off would have had no legal claim, such as parents of adult children who died."

Why not?

Mark Goldman's father sued OJ.

 
At 20 June, 2006 10:01, Blogger MarkyX said...


Ha! I don't think those planes were taken over with "boxcutters" (an odd term that I presume means utility knives and if so, why is "boxcutters" consistently used?).


Common misconception. Not all of the planes were boxcutters. I heard that there was bomb threats as well.

 
At 20 June, 2006 10:02, Blogger MarkyX said...

Oh and if you think boxcutters is insane, you should look at this.

http://www.emergency-management.net/airterror_acts.htm

1998 February Turkey, Adana Airport: a Turkish Airlines plane was hijacked shortly after takeoff from the southern city of Adana in February 1998. The hijacker, claiming to be carrying a bomb inside a teddy bear, said he was on a mission from God. Security forces disguised as caterers boarded the plane and captured the hijacker. Forty-one passengers and five crew members were still on board when he was captured. The bomb turned out to be a dummy.


Yep, hijacking a plane with a teddy bear.

 
At 20 June, 2006 10:35, Blogger telescopemerc said...

Just remember that DB Cooper had nothing but a briefcase full of wires and junk.

Also remember that where the boxcutter was reported, they also stated that one of the Flight Attendants had been stabbed. Gets the point across I guess.

 
At 20 June, 2006 10:40, Blogger nesNYC said...

I heard that there was bomb threats as well.

Yeah, everybody heard this or that. It's called hearsay. Meanwhile, we have white vans blowing up and Israelis getting caught yet everybody wants to ignore that solid proof.

 
At 20 June, 2006 10:45, Blogger ScottSl said...

Its not hearsay, you can hear an audio recording of the hijackers stating this

http://www.airdisaster.com/cvr/atcwav.shtml

 
At 20 June, 2006 10:49, Blogger telescopemerc said...

Meanwhile, we have white vans blowing up and Israelis getting caught yet everybody wants to ignore that solid proof.

White Vans blowing up that you have no more than a garbled radio recording as evidence.

Been to King street lately? Did you document the repair work? Interview the inhabitants?

No bomb went off on King Street.

 
At 20 June, 2006 10:54, Blogger ScottSl said...

We don't even know if the white van blew up, or if it was the bomb squad who blew it up or what. The other report states
"The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck.”

 
At 20 June, 2006 11:53, Blogger nesNYC said...

Its not hearsay, you can hear an audio recording of the hijackers stating this

It's pretty well established, the "phone calls" could not have happened, period. Can we say manufactured? Of course we can. Question, were Israelis detained in connection with 9/11? Of course they were.

 
At 20 June, 2006 11:54, Blogger nesNYC said...

Been to King street lately? Did you document the repair work? Interview the inhabitants?

No bomb went off on King Street.


And you have proof of this? At least I pointed you to a recording where cops clearly state the van blew up. Are you calling them liars too?

 
At 20 June, 2006 11:58, Blogger nesNYC said...

We don't even know if the white van blew up, or if it was the bomb squad who blew it up or what. The other report states
"The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck.”


Did you hear the recording? The van blew up unless of course NYPD was in on framing the Isralies but later changed their mind.

 
At 20 June, 2006 12:00, Blogger default.xbe said...

It's pretty well established, the "phone calls" could not have happened, period. Can we say manufactured? Of course we can. Question, were Israelis detained in connection with 9/11? Of course they were.

do some research, it wasnt over the phone, it was over the planes radio

At 9:32, a man with an Arabic accent, probably Ziad Jarrah, transmitted to flight control the following: "Ladies and gentlemen, here [is] the captain, please sit down, keep remaining sitting. We have a bomb on board. So sit." (It is likely that Jarrah was attempting to broadcast this over the plane's intercom, but did not understand that the message was transmitted to flight control instead). The flight then reversed direction and began flying eastward at a low altitude. At 9:39, air traffic controllers overheard Jarrah saying "Uh, this is the captain. Would like you all to remain seated. There is a bomb on board, and [we] are going back to the airport, and to have our demands [unintelligible]. Please remain quiet." There were no further transmissions.

besdies, theres no "proof" the calls couldnt have happened, especially since most fo them came from airfones

 
At 20 June, 2006 12:06, Blogger ScottSl said...

"Did you hear the recording? The van blew up unless of course NYPD was in on framing the Isralies but later changed their mind."

I heard it. I don't know. If the recording can be verified they more than likely yes. However again the other source states that
"The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck.”

"It's pretty well established, the "phone calls" could not have happened, period. Can we say manufactured? Of course we can. Question, were Israelis detained in connection with 9/11? Of course they were."

No you can't say anything of the sort. And that wasn't a phone call either.

 
At 20 June, 2006 12:11, Blogger ScottSl said...

The "can't make phone call myth" has been wiped out by many sources.
From 911myths to this site to Hoffmans CT site

http://911myths.com/html/mobiles_at_altitude.html

 
At 20 June, 2006 12:13, Blogger telescopemerc said...

Did you hear the recording? The van blew up unless of course NYPD was in on framing the Isralies but later changed their mind.

The recording means squat in light of the fact that there are no reports of damage or casualties in King Street, and no witnesses at all to any explosion on King street. People live there, people have business there, people park cars there, people just plain ol' walk by the thousands and nobody hear, sees or learns about this explosion? Strain credulity much?

 
At 20 June, 2006 12:38, Blogger James B. said...

Hmm, an engineer at MIT, the most distinguished engineering school in the world, vs a physicist specializing in the joke science of cold fusion at BYU, a second rate religious school in Utah.

Gee, who do I go with?

 
At 20 June, 2006 13:36, Blogger JoanBasil said...

Abby,
NY state law would govern and if they weren't dependent on that adult child, they'd have no lawsuit.



I believe I remember reading that over 60 Israelis were detained/deported after 9/11 and I know that the owner of that "moving company," Mr. Suter, fled the US and his operation was a likely Mossad front. (Remember, this is the country that stole our secrets and traded them to the Chinese and the Soviets, so the idea that they're spying for some legitimate reason should make any patriotic American gag.)

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j062402.html

Here's a link by someone that agrees with you folks on the 9/11 conspiracy (i.e., he believes the 19 Arabs did it) which includes much information about the movers, including links to the ABC news 20/20 segment on the "dancing Israelis." These were the men that 9/11 Commission Chairman Tom Kean, a brazen liar, said he'd never heard of when a C-SPAN caller questioned him. (And anyone wonders why there's a credibility problem with the 9/11 Commission? How convenient not to hear well reported information that bears on an Israeli connection to 9/11.)

As for the MIT engineer (vs Prof. Jones), theres a famous quote that goes something like, "You can't make a man understand something that he's paid not to understand." No doubt theres all kinds of grants and "chairs" that are a consideration for anyone at MIT, as we've seen recently with the Mearsheimer/Walt study and Yale not going ahead with hiring Juan Cole.

 
At 20 June, 2006 13:37, Blogger nesNYC said...

a man with an Arabic accent, probably Ziad Jarrah, transmitted to flight control the following: "Ladies and gentlemen, here [is] the captain, please sit down, keep remaining sitting. We have a bomb on board.

Probably? Maybe? Okay, that's solid proof then. I guess I was wrong, NOT. Even from some of your "recordings" no one ever says "Arabic" they all say "Middle Eastern" and we know Israel is part of that muddle. Those "voices" were Israeli operatives giving directions and coercing the passengers to fake those calls. The planes landed, the passengers killed and the Israelis got away with murder with a little help from their friends in DoD/CIA/NORAD and others high level traitors for Israel.

 
At 20 June, 2006 13:47, Blogger Alex said...

These were the men that 9/11 Commission Chairman Tom Kean, a brazen liar, said he'd never heard of when a C-SPAN caller questioned him.

He didn't hear irrelevant information? OH NO!

"ZE JOOOOOS DID IT" is only relevant if you're an anti-semite, or if there's fairly good evidence linking them to the event. We know which category insync falls in, and it appears you've decided to join him there.

I heard there were new yorkers dancing at night-clubs later that evening. Maybe THEY did it.

As for the MIT engineer (vs Prof. Jones), theres a famous quote that goes something like, "You can't make a man understand something that he's paid not to understand."

Ah, yes. Anyone who disagrees with you must be corrupt. Meanwhile the people making a killing from books and movies about the conspiracy theory are all in it for "the truth". That's a handy way of looking at it.

 
At 20 June, 2006 13:51, Blogger Alex said...

Probably? Maybe? Okay, that's solid proof then. I guess I was wrong, NOT. Even from some of your "recordings" no one ever says "Arabic" they all say "Middle Eastern" and we know Israel is part of that muddle.

Shut the fuck up asshole. That statement was made to refute your idiotic claim that reports of bombs on the plane were all "heresay". He DEFFINITELY disproved that assertion. Now you're jumping topics and talking about something completely different, without even bothering to acknowledge the fact that he absolutely decimated your argument.

Those "voices" were Israeli operatives giving directions and coercing the passengers to fake those calls. The planes landed, the passengers killed and the Israelis got away with murder with a little help from their friends in DoD/CIA/NORAD and others high level traitors for Israel.

No, it was the Martians. They made the planes land on the moon and then turned the passangers over to their Venusian overlords. It's recorded fact because I wrote about it on my blog, and my buddy who's a janitor for a physics proffesor made a 5 minute video about it. You can't argue with that kind of evidence!

 
At 20 June, 2006 14:06, Blogger nesNYC said...

Shut the fuck up asshole.

This dude just nullified his position by default. No need to proceed here. Mental deficiency is a beeeeooootch isn't it? LOL!!

 
At 20 June, 2006 14:33, Blogger nesNYC said...

This quote from Eagar is ludicrous. It shows the most careless treatment of the facts, and any scientific treatment of the facts possible.

I agree. The lemming effect shows through loud and clear in this piece. How does aluminum from a plane spontaneously take down an entire building like the world trade towers? If anything, the guys on here should be envious of how this high profile lemming can "fudge" the facts better than them.

 
At 20 June, 2006 14:34, Blogger MarkyX said...


This dude just nullified his position by default. No need to proceed here. Mental deficiency is a beeeeooootch isn't it? LOL!!


Coming from the guy who thinks our government and jews are behind 9/11

Mental deficiency indeed.

 
At 20 June, 2006 14:35, Blogger default.xbe said...

This dude just nullified his position by default. No need to proceed here. Mental deficiency is a beeeeooootch isn't it? LOL!!

just because your annoying and dense enough to drive people to tell you to shut the fuck up doesnt nullify anyones point

 
At 20 June, 2006 14:45, Blogger Alex said...

This kid's truly insane. Makes you wonder how he manages to operate in normal society. What the hell could you use someone like him for? Squeegee kid maybe?

 
At 20 June, 2006 14:57, Blogger ScottSl said...

"Those "voices" were Israeli operatives giving directions and coercing the passengers to fake those calls. The planes landed, the passengers killed and the Israelis got away with murder with a little help from their friends in DoD/CIA/NORAD and others high level traitors for Israel."
LOL!!! I'm sure that would be a big hit for the next loose change.
Loose Change 3 the Anti-Semites Strike Back

 
At 20 June, 2006 14:58, Blogger Chad said...

Nesnyc, not to get off topic, but are you a valley girl?

Were you maybe raised by valley girls?

'Cause I see a lot of their annoying -isms in your posts. ("NOT!", "beeeooootch", and "NEXT!" to name a few.)

I'm waiting for you to back up your theories with, "Man, that evidence is HOT!"

Or try and debunk the OS with, "That engineer is hella-inaccurate."

OH SNAP GIRLFRIEND!!!

(Sorry, I forgot. I'm dealing with Nesnyc here, so I have to throw in some JOOSPENTAGONPENTAGONJOOS, otherwise he won't understand.)

 
At 20 June, 2006 17:06, Blogger shawn said...

Israelis getting caught

GETTING CAUGHT FILMING THE ATTACK. Jeez, let's arrest all those cameramen for the major news networks now. Not to mention dozens of others from around the area.

 
At 20 June, 2006 18:41, Blogger default.xbe said...

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At 21 June, 2006 03:27, Blogger Good Lieutenant said...

Why dance around the central point, loosers and truthers?

Everyone knows it was Rove, via Cheney, via Wolfowitz, with Bush and Gingrich cheering them on from the top of Bohemian Grove, in a conspiracy to institute a new world police state order to control your mind and what you write and film (cue scary music and shaky amature camera footage).

That, after all, is the animating notion driving these kooks. That, a big fat dollar sign, and manifest BDS.

I, for one, am enjoying watching the "loosers" retract, alter, backpedal, and do everything they humanly can to avoid facing facts and evidence. Mark's viewer's guide and quote compendium is just another nail in the coffins of these college dropouts.

Too sweet. Don't be insulted by these people - laugh in their faces.

 
At 21 June, 2006 05:21, Blogger nesNYC said...

backpedal, and do everything they humanly can to avoid facing facts and evidence.

"I don't know where Osama is and I don't care"

- Bush backpedaling :D

 
At 21 June, 2006 05:28, Blogger nesNYC said...

GETTING CAUGHT FILMING THE ATTACK. Jeez, let's arrest all those cameramen for the major news networks now. Not to mention dozens of others from around the area.

Well, I'm all for it if:

1. They had thousands in cash
2. They had Arab disguises
3. They were acting suspicious
4. They had vans blowing up
5. Bomb dogs went crazy when they sniffed the "moving" van.

 
At 21 June, 2006 05:40, Blogger MarkyX said...

How is that proof that 9/11 is an inside job? He could just...gasp, an idiot.

Which wouldn't be news.

 
At 21 June, 2006 05:40, Blogger MarkyX said...

I was replying to your bush comment, not your crazy mossad story.

 
At 21 June, 2006 08:52, Blogger shawn said...

Nesnyc, if you think killing Osama bin Laden will completely end al-Qaeda's reign of terror, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

That's not say I wouldn't love to see him die (although I'd rather see him captured).

 
At 21 June, 2006 12:53, Blogger Falco98 said...

It's pretty well established, the "phone calls" could not have happened, period.

NES, how can you be this stupid and still know how to breathe correctly?

sorry, but you've just lost any credibility you may have held with me. i guess at this point i only pay attention because it's funny (in a sad way) to see how efficiently the board members here tear apart your flimsy arguments.

 
At 21 June, 2006 14:35, Blogger Alex said...

That's pretty much the only reason anyone here pays attention to him. It's absolutely futile, but can be amusing when you're bored. Like arguing with the drunk homeless guy in front of your favourite pub.

 
At 21 June, 2006 20:22, Blogger telescopemerc said...

Like arguing with the drunk homeless guy in front of your favourite pub.

Except that guy is more coherant and less deranged than Nesync.

 
At 31 July, 2006 09:14, Blogger Lazarus said...

arab terrosits who live in caves, pulled bomb sniffing dogs out of WTC weeks before 9/11, arab terrorists planned united states military drills of hijackings on the exact same day of the attacks, arab terrorists were able to have NORAD stand down, arab terrorists are destroying liberties and invading countries on the pretext of a shadowy enemy that will never be defeated, arab terrorists decided to pull building 7 which had little to no damage to it, arab terrorists consistantly go on national news channels and incite fear to manipulate us. arab terrorists are implimenting national id cards, microchip implants and camera nests throughout the country

It's quite obvious to me by the definition of the word terrorist, no matter who carried out the attacks, the true terrorists are in fact our leaders

and I have still yet to see any one of you provide significant evidence that dylan avery is lying, misleading, misrepresenting, or even being misinfromed about anything.

 
At 03 August, 2006 01:26, Blogger Lazarus said...

What did the founding fathers have to say about patriotism?
Body: Thomas Jefferson,
"on the tree of liberty must spill the blood of patriots and tyrants." And: "a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, a medicine necessary for the sound health of government." "whenever any form of government becomes destructive of citizens procuring for themselves "inalienable rights" to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," then "it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it." "No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive."
"Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day."


George Washington,

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
"Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty."
"If in the opinion of the people the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates, but let there be no change by usurpation; for though this in one instance may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed."
"It has demonstrated that our prosperity rests on solid foundations, by furnishing an additional that my fellow citizens understand the true principles of government and liberty; that they feel their inseparable union; that notwithstanding all the devices which have been used to sway them from their interest and duty, they are not as ready to maintain the authority of the laws against licentious invasions as they were to defend their rights against usurpation."


Patrick Henry,
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined."

Thomas Paine,
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it."
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamities is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer!"



Alexander Hamilton,
"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."


James Madison,
"Every man who loves peace, every man who loves his country, every man who loves liberty, ought to have it ever before his eyes, that he may cherish in his heart a due attachment to the Union of America, and be able to set a due value on the means of preserving it."

Andrew Jackson,
"But you must remember, my fellow citizens, that eternal vigilance by the people is the price of liberty, and that you must pay the price if you wish to secure the blessing. It behooves you, therefore, to be watchful in your States as well as in the Federal Government."

So to all you people messaging me, that I must trust the government, and blindly follow the criminal acts of the current administration, and if I do not, I am Un-American, need to take a serious look at the principals this great nation was founded.

Lazarus "The Revolutionist"

 
At 07 August, 2006 18:12, Blogger RUSirius said...

So I’m organizing a panel in San Francisco for The RU Sirius Show where a skeptic and an advocate of the “9/11Truth” campaign can debate. The panel will be on September 10, in the afternoon in SF. And someone suggested getting in touch with “Pat & James.” And after going from one link to another, I find no email. So I’m posting this note here, hoping someone will get hold of me.

Here’s a debate on the topic that we ran last year:
http://www.rusiriusradio.com/2005/09/07/show-13-was-911-a-conspiracy/

Here are the rest of our shows. www.rusiriusradio.com
As you’ll see we veer between complete lunacy and serious discourse and we have a bit of a “counterculture” slant… but don’t be shy. We’re all about open discussion.

RU Sirius
Contact: rusirius@well.com

 
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