Sunday, June 04, 2006

Oh My God, I Think I Am Going To Be Sick

From an interview with Dylan Avery on an Internet radio station:

Dylan: I'm not doing anything extraordinary, I'm just doing my job as an American.

Interviewer: Well, that's what all great geniuses say.

Someone hand me the anti-nausea medicine....

The site, Beyond the Ordinary, by the way, belongs to a woman who lives down the street in Yelm, Washington, J.Z. Knight, who is somewhat famous locally for making millions "channeling" a 35,000 year old warrior named "Ramtha".

Once again, is there anyone who is connected to this 9/11 "truth" movement, who isn't a complete fraud and/or nutcase?

Hat tip JREF forum.

Update: Well we now know who their target demographic is, from the same interview at the 21 minute mark:

I know there’s high school classes that are refusing to watch 9/11 videos, like 9/11, you know, supposed official documentaries, because their teachers try to play them and they’re like, “No, we’ve already seen Loose Change and we don’t want to watch this” I mean, someone told me that the other day, they heard that from a friend who was still in high school. I mean that’s unreal, I mean, groups of high school students, are like banding around my movie. It’s kinda cool.


OK, Dylan, how are you doing with people who don't still live with their parents?

Update 2: Well, they may not like Bush, but apparently they are big Ahmadinejad fans. From later on in the same interview, this time with Bermas at the 53:40 mark:

Jason Bermas: How many people actually read the 18 page letter that the President of Iran sent Bush? I mean it was out there, but did anyone read it?

Crazy interviewer lady: No, we're going to have to put a link to that, because it’s a great letter.

Jason: Oh yeah, absolutely.

23 Comments:

At 04 June, 2006 20:18, Blogger debunking911 said...

"Once again, is there anyone who is connected to this 9/11 "truth" movement, who isn't a complete fraud and/or nutcase?"

Patiently awaiting the "Even a broken watch is right twice a day." That would asumes they arent missing a hand or two.

 
At 04 June, 2006 21:21, Blogger shawn said...

That lady's also in that New Age masking as science film What the F*ck Do We Know?

 
At 05 June, 2006 05:10, Blogger MarkyX said...

Fuck lawsuit, we need some treason shit going on.

 
At 05 June, 2006 06:57, Blogger JoanBasil said...

Madeleine Albright said that the questions in Ahmadinejad's letter were "not irrelevant." If you read the letter, you'd think so, too. The sad thing is that one cannot imagine Bush replying to that letter point by point and thats why the US will never be anything more than an occupier in that region.

And one cannot imagine the major US media covering that letter point by point rather than prodding the public to think here's another country we have to make war on.

How wonderful that we have highschoolers who take a stand like that and actually care.

As to the lady with the radio show, she has an audience. She's not a drug addict as far as you know, is she?

 
At 05 June, 2006 07:21, Blogger MarkyX said...


How wonderful that we have highschoolers who take a stand like that and actually care.


They don't care one bit. They dehumanize the biggest attack on North America to make a living and outright lie.

http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

I have more respect for the victims, and I'm not even from the damn country.

 
At 05 June, 2006 08:10, Blogger James B. said...

Did you listen to these women? It sounds like they are on something.

 
At 05 June, 2006 08:23, Blogger undense said...

joan,

I have a question for the President of Iran. If he's so concerned about Iraq, why is his country subversively trying to undermine the rebuilding process instead of lending a helping hand?

Ahmadinejad can spew all the trumped up accusations he wants, but unless he is making a concerted effort to help Iraq he is doing nothing but talking out both sides of his mouth and using the situation as a pawn to gain political leverage.

It doesn't surprise me that you appear to be an apologist for Iran either. I bet you're one of those self-professed "patriots" too, at the very same time.

 
At 05 June, 2006 10:06, Blogger JoanBasil said...

I've heard/read it more than once that we don't even know how much Ahmadinejad is actually running Iran.

James,
Limbaugh really WAS on something - 4,000 oxycontins in his possession, wasn't it? - and they put him on Armed Forces radio. The bar for talk radio hosts' credibility in general is pretty low; we can all agree on that. But they are a way to reach the public and people go on their shows.

 
At 05 June, 2006 10:20, Blogger undense said...

I've heard/read it more than once that we don't even know how much Ahmadinejad is actually running Iran.

If that's the case, what's he doing writing a letter to Bush and speaking for Iran? Are you claiming he's out of the Mullah's control?

 
At 05 June, 2006 10:28, Blogger James B. said...

Do you recall me ever once posting an argument of Rush Limbaugh's on this blog? You are the only one who has brought him up.

 
At 05 June, 2006 10:57, Blogger JoanBasil said...

james,
you're bringing up the credibility of a talk show host to critique Loose Change. Cheney appeared on Limbaugh as have other Republicans.

undense,
anyone in our government can write a letter, too, and they pass all kinds of resolutions.

 
At 05 June, 2006 11:53, Blogger James B. said...

Yeah, as soon as Rush Limbaugh starts channeling 35,000 year old warriors, let me know.

 
At 05 June, 2006 12:21, Blogger undense said...

undense,
anyone in our government can write a letter, too, and they pass all kinds of resolutions.


Only one holds the position of President. The same goes for Iran.

Your attempt at relativism was extremely poor, even for you, joan.

 
At 05 June, 2006 13:20, Blogger Falco98 said...

slightly o/t (but had to post it somewhere).. anyone with a Myspace account might wanna help over on Myspace Video where some guy's posted the LC vids in 2 halves; there are some rather dense guys there arguing around in circles with me. Oh and the real pisser: you can only use 250 characters per reply :-P

 
At 05 June, 2006 16:09, Blogger shawn said...

Oh Iran's president has no real power (Iran is the world's only remaining theocracy), but he does have power to spark up the masses.

His letter was nothing more than an attempt to convert Bush to Islam before war, it's a normal Muslim tactic.

 
At 06 June, 2006 06:39, Blogger JoanBasil said...

Iran's president probably doesn't know what to make of Bush. Thats a pretty general feeling around the world, IMO, including right here in the US. Is he evil or is he an idiot? I think the letter was directed at world public opinion about double standards and accountability.

The US has been calling Iran a terrorist nation for 25 years because of the hostages at the embassy but the US engineered a coup of a democratically elected government that forced that nation to endure 25 years of a despot. These are facts and the public needs to know both sides and not let leaders like George Bush start more wars on phony pretexts for ulterior motives the public would never support if they were made plain.

 
At 06 June, 2006 07:11, Blogger undense said...

It wasn't all kites and butterflies concernign Mossadeqh, joan. Note also that Mossadeqh wrongly tried to remove the Shah from power, who had been in his position for far longer than Mossadeqh had. Nor did the CIA "engineer" the coup in Iran. That's an urban legend that has been repeated so often recently that it's somehow become accepted as fact and certain people don't even question it.

Do a bit of research though and you'll discover the coup was actually engineered by the Iranians themselves. Yes, the US backed the Shah and his group, primarily because Mossadeqh was aligned with the communists and this did all occur during the Cold War. But it was NOT a US led coup.

Please do a bit of research before you repeat incorrect urban legends.

 
At 06 June, 2006 08:35, Blogger JoanBasil said...

undense,
I saw a Hardball last week where former CIA agent Bob Baer was forced to admit that the US (and British) engineered a coup of the Mossadegh government to keep the Shah in power. The Shah ruled by means of secret police and torture.

I think you're trying to start your own urban legend. Here's an interesting page I just found

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB126/index.htm

Imagine the year 2009 and, say, Hillary Clinton is the elected president of the United States (I'm no fan but I use her because she's a controversial figure and would have significant numbers of the public fiercely against her and unhappy to see her in office.) Imagine another country (some country that didn't give a damn about the American people but was out for its own interests exclusively) conspiring with leaders of our military and intelligence services to force Hillary out of power and reinstate George W. Bush as our Shah. And we had to live under that for 25 years. The Shah was anathema to those people.

 
At 06 June, 2006 08:57, Blogger undense said...

Great joan. Now read this:

http://www.ardeshirzahedi.org/cia-iran.pdf

And despite your lament concerning the Shah, Iran was a consitutional monarchy and has never been a democracy.

 
At 06 June, 2006 17:12, Blogger Alex said...

It's no coincidence that most of the leaders of Iran's "coup" have come out as totaly opposed to the outcome. Back then, they all thought it was a good idea. So did the US admin at the time. It turned out that even though the coup succeeded, their plans failed. Such is life. Not every attempt is a success. The best we can hope for is to learn from our mistakes, and do better next time.

 
At 06 June, 2006 22:00, Blogger F.U. said...

Some of you are so blinded by your own patriotism you can't accept anything else. Just like religious nuts, you justify it to yourselves by mocking everything else.
Be a good little boy Johnny and eat what's put in front of you...

 
At 07 June, 2006 05:58, Blogger undense said...

Some of you are so blinded by your own patriotism you can't accept anything else. Just like religious nuts, you justify it to yourselves by mocking everything else.
Be a good little boy Johnny and eat what's put in front of you...


LOL. You probably believe the earth is flat too and everyone else is blinded by science.

"Mommmmm! Don't make me eat physics and facts. I HATE physics and facts. I just want to believe whatever I want to believe. Anything accepted by the majority must be bunk."

btw, the Loosers are far more like the religious nuts. Everything they believe in is based on faith, unproven speculation, and the dictates from their appointed gods whom they dare not question.

 
At 07 June, 2006 18:02, Blogger shawn said...

Some of you are so blinded by your own patriotism you can't accept anything else. Just like religious nuts, you justify it to yourselves by mocking everything else.

Odd, the people who actually act like religious nuts are accusing us of being religious nuts.

PS Dumbass, having blind faith in what a bunch of people tell you (Loose Change, Scholars for Truth, etc) as opposed to actually looking up facts/evidence/etc (us) makes YOU guys the ones with the religious bent, not us. We don't believe the "official" story because the government told us, we believe it because it has the evidence behind it.

PPS Next time don't poison the well when you post, or use any other logical fallacy.

 

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