Aid & Comfort to the Enemy
We don't talk about the treasonous aspects of 9-11 Denial too much around here; our focus is mostly on the domestic impact. But we also have to consider how 9-11 Denial affects our image around the world, and so this story from Jon Gold sickens me.
Tonight, as a surprise, I received a phone call from the great Willie Rodriguez. We talked for a good while, and during the conversation, Willie handed down this exclusive:
William Rodriguez, the last survivor of the North Tower has been formally invited by the Iranian Government to give a series of presentations about 9/11 in Iran. The reason he was invited, was because they saw his presentation in front of 22,000 Muslims during his recent U.K. tour. The Ministry of Cultural Affairs thought it would be a good idea as a "Peace Mission" to bring Rodriquez to Iran.
Rodriquez says that he "feels very honored that he has been tapped to do these series of presentations as a peace initiative, and he feels he will be more protected in these countries than in his own."
Given that the Venezuelan Government thought enough of Willie to provide him 5 bodyguards during his stay there, I can see why.
Gold doesn't apparently realize the irony of that last observation. But this is a disturbing turn nonetheless. Willie Rodriguez is apparently going to follow in the footsteps of David Duke, who recently addressed the Holocaust Denial conference in Iran. He is being used by our enemies as a "useful idiot", spreading hatred for America by accusing it of the crime of the century.
Willie Rodriguez deserves kudos for what he did on 9-11. He deserves a good raspberry for what he's doing now.
Update: UKDave raises an excellent point at JREF:
Consider: The US accuses arab terrorists of an audacious and seemingly successful attack. Not many arabs seem to disagree with that conclusion and many (the wannabe jihadists) appear to revel in it and express respect and admiration for 'sheikh' Osama Bin Laden.
Methinks this trip does Mr Rodriguez more harm in the eyes of the public and any message of 911 conspiracy he takes to the mid-east will not be believed by those who want to think that they did indeed manage to attack the mighty USA.
posted by Pat @ 6:50 AM
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32 Comments:
Question,
What is evil? What purpose does it serve to call other people evil?
Do you believe Biblical teachings support your concept of evil (Snake, Garden of Eden), or do you have a more general context?
Meanwhile...
9/11 Denier Quote of The Day
"Mike Ruppert was right from the beginning, folks. Focusing on physical evidence is not the way to go about this. Melting points, the strength of the steel, the impact zone, the collapse, etc., opens the door for scrutiny and can be detrimental to the overall argument,..."
Someone posted a good question over there.
Who is funding all of Rodriguez's trips? Anyone know?
s.king,
Oh my, your point about Ruppert and that quote like totally changes my mind about everything. I'm been basing my skepticism on Ruppert, and now you've shown him to be a fraud, I totally see the err in my ways.
On the other hand, I agree that your question about Rodriguez is interesting.
If Rodriguez is strictly for defending American and support the truth, I would implore him not to do this.
Reminds me of Jane Fonda's visit to North Korea.
I will prepare to be slimed unmercifully as I speculate that Jane Fonda has been working for the US Spooks during her whole career. (By the way, I'm not saying her exercise vids had hidden messages or anything).
I don't know about Rodriguez, probably just misguided.
After the book burning and now this, doesn't anyone say to themselves, "Gee, how will this look? Will this help or hurt this movement?"
Crikey, look forward to a new truther flag with a hammer and sickle. Because it's pretty.
Abby,
I imagine you are neutral or negative to any expression of appreciation I send your way:
Good post and post more often.
Honestly, doesn't a single member of the 9/11 Denier movement take a step back from the crowd and say to them "Guys, this is a little too much"?
Failing even that, has it occured to no one in the Twoof movement that siding with Ahmadinejad is not going to help their cause domestically?
Sorry, it doesn't wash.. your David Duke comparison is ridiculous and unfounded, and Iran is not a realistic threat or even our enemy. Sure, of course Mahmoud Ahmadinejad isn't a great guy though, it's a bummer he's there.
Here is a page of images:
http://www.newsofinterest.tv/iran_images.html
markyx, as I just said, "Sure, of course Mahmoud Ahmadinejad isn't a great guy though, it's a bummer he's there."
Abby,
I imagine you are neutral or negative to any expression of appreciation I send your way:
Good post and post more often.
These actions just go to show that 99.99% of the truth movement doesn't care about making any change. They care about the party. That is why they are resistant to any evidence that prevents these good times.
Pat, great tactic throwing in the smear against Willie by linking his visit with the closeness of Duke. Kudos
Honestly, doesn't a single member of the 9/11 Denier movement take a step back from the crowd and say to them "Guys, this is a little too much"
Nope. Because guys like yourself on this blog and other forums continually try to link us all togther when indeed the opposite is true. I've had to get on James numerous times for such a weak lame tactic. However, if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth to the masses.
These actions just go to show that 99.99% of the truth movement doesn't care about making any change. I might agree with you there Abby. That is one problem I have with the whole 'movement'. Too much talk, not enough action. Although in Willie's case, he is more likely to be heard in other countries media than our own. Makes you wonder which country has more free speech.
Pat, why in the world would you be calling Iran, Our Enemy? Or is that
Bush speak from the Axis of Evil shit he spews?
Sounds to me like your inciting more hatred than anyone.
These actions just go to show that 99.99% of the truth movement doesn't care about making any change. They care about the party. That is why they are resistant to any evidence that prevents these good times.
Since there is a significant amount of infiltration, or "Ops" or whatever you want to call those who make it their job to hurt having an open review and discussion of the issues, I can see why you would use a grossly exaggeration claim of "99.99%" of people who aren't serious in exposing the lies and making change.
James likes to rib me, calling me a disinfo artist. I'm not sure if he's kidding, or just giving me a taste of my own medicine.
As an example of the sophistication of the media manipulation, consider:
Milking the Mel Gibson Psyop for all it's Worth
Since there is a significant amount of infiltration, or "Ops" or whatever you want to call those who make it their job to hurt having an open review and discussion of the issues,
Really? Name one government agent in the truth movement.
You do realize that it is extremely convenient to call these people 'government agents'. Makes it not the truth movement's responsiblilty. "No, not our fault!"
You do realize that you've accused these book burners and Willie Rodriguez now of being government agents with absolutely no proof. That is extremely low.
You definetely are trying to cast doubt on my mission. For your info, it is donations from the 9/11 families and donations at my website www.911keymaster.com and the sales of my bad quality DVD but with great content. It is also a well known fact that you can research on the internet, that I was homeless last year for doing my activism. Also, that before I was supported by Jimmy Walter and his organization. I parted ways with Jimmy and efectively eliminated his funding and support because of his stance on the cgi-blue screen technology issue. Hope this answers your question Nico, Chris or whoever you are.
I get invited to speak in forums, conferences and symposiums from all over the world and those counties will pay for the hotel, airtravel and food. It is up to me to raise the other needed funds to continue this fight.
I believe that if it was Jesse JAckson or Jimmy Carter doing a peace trip, everybody will be clapping. I will not, stop doing a peace outreach anywhere in the world - let it be Israel, Iran , North Korea or Iraq, even if this means breaking up with the whole 9/11 truth movement. I am very clear who I represent and what I am trying to avoid.
William Rodriguez
Last Survivor of the North Tower
President of the Hispanic Victims Group, Victims Support Group
I am also a supporter of the James Randi Foundation and was there when it was "created".
Swing:
Although in Willie's case, he is more likely to be heard in other countries media than our own. Makes you wonder which country has more free speech.
That's quite possibly the stupidest thing you've ever said. And considering the rest of your drivel, that's saying a LOT.
Willie:
"I will not, stop doing a peace outreach anywhere in the world"
You're doing "peace outreach" by going to a country that's responsible for the fighting in Lebanon, has publicaly declared that they don't believe the holocaust happened and that they want to wipe out Israel, and many of whom think that jews were responsible for 9/11.....and you're going to tell these people that there are in fact no muslim terrorists? Buddy. You've got a strange idea of "peace outreach". Although I suppose that peace through Mutual Assured Destruction is a viable idea. If we're all dead, there won't be any war.
While you're at it, you might want to talk to David Duke, I'm sure he'd love to sponsor your trips.
Mr. Rodriquez, let me first thank you for risking your life on 9/11.
Do you really think that being a guest of Iran right after the country sponsored a Holocaust Denial conference is a good idea?
Do you understand at least how people see this as bad, bad publicity?
Mr. Rodriguez, the first shots in the war in which the World Trade Center victims were killed were fired in Iran. Before you go there as a guest of Mr. Ahmadinejad, I implore you to seek out and talk to some of the hostages taken there in 1979. You can find a list of them here.
Whether you believe it or not, the theocrats running Iran are part of a triad of extreme Islamist groups at war with the United States. Please do not treat with the enemy.
I have the support of the families of 9/11 including, Jewish Families. It is a peace mission and I will be accompanied by jewish representants as well. If you are not part of the solution, do not be part of the problem. I am not judging the whole country for their stance on the holocaust or anything else, that will be the stance of the others invited. It is very idiotic to put me on the same level as David Duke racist positions. Obviously you do not know my fights for the community for the last 5 years and the respect I gained all over the world for the peace outreach. Go to Peaceful Tomorrows website and you will find that more than 400 families of 9/11 has already visited, Iran, Irak, Afghanistan etc. If I go , it is an extension of this effort to avoid a future event.
Iran as an enemy:
As a country, I say, no they are not my enemy. However, any person who would see myself or my family harmed or killed with out personal provocation from me...IS MY ENEMY. Now if that includes a portion of Iranians, then they are my enemy.
As for Mr. Rodriguez:
I admire your heroism on that day. I suspect our views on who was responsible differ, as they do with many others who post here...so be it.
If your mission over in Iran is purely peaceful, and not to promote anti-americanism by accusing the USG of attacking and killing its own people to justify wars with arab nations, then great, I spur you on. However, if your purpose going over there is to bash BUSH or the USG as a whole, and accuse them of the 9/11 attacks, then I think that is anti-american and not what you may want to do as the proud American I am sure you are...
But it is just my opinion.
TAM
Willie:
Obviously you do not know my fights for the community for the last 5 years and the respect I gained all over the world for the peace outreach
You could say the same thing about Cindy Sheehan, but she's a lunatic too. The respect you both gained comes mostly from people so utterly clueless about anything in life that, were I to gain their respect, I would seriously start to question my own sanity. As for President Ahlostmyhat, I seriously doubt he gives two shits about your views on peace - he's only looking to use your presence as another weapon with which to attack the US.
Oh, and out of curiosity, why do you keep lying about hearing explosions before the planes hit?
I believe that if it was Jesse JAckson or Jimmy Carter doing a peace trip, everybody will be clapping.
A race-baiter and an Israel-hater?
Yup, I'd really be clapping for them.
Sure, of course Mahmoud Ahmadinejad isn't a great guy though, it's a bummer he's there.
He's a figurehead, why is it such a bummer? He's a mouthpiece for the Supreme Leader. Iran is one of the world's last theocracies, and the Ayatollah holds all power.
Bush speak from the Axis of Evil shit he spews?
I dunno, kidnapping our citizens and having collection boxes all over their country for American-killing terrorists might be the reason.
Clarification and skepticism:
1. I have not pointed any accusatory finger (here or anywhere else) at William R. as being anything other than an honest 9/11 Skeptic.
2. There's no reason to trust that the the William R. who has posted with a blogger account on this blog is in fact the real William R.
3. There's no reason to trust that the William R. account at 911blogger.com is the real William R.
4. I don't know enough about Jon Gold to know if he would fake his blog entry about William R. My guess is that he has, and will use the excuse that somebody impersonating William R. called him.
James / Pat,
Can you do a location search on the ip address associated with the William R. comments here?
I'd be very surprised if William, if it is in fact him, is sophisticated enough to use a vpn or anonymizer on his home ip address.
Alex, normally I wouldn't say this, but you truly are the fucking shit hole scum of Canada. And to think your national identity is the same as Tam's and my favorite band, Rush. Sorry Tam, but he is just down right nasty and terrible. I've read alot of things out of your shithole mouth Alex, but this line of bullshit takes the cake.
Prove he was lying, you POS. Wether it is the real Willie or not!
I really hope you have the opportunity to give your life for you country, and soon. It would make the world and Canada a better place.
Shawn Do yourself a favor and study the history of Iran from the creation of Israel and onward. I would be a little pissed off if another country overthrew my government, established and funded death squads that eliminated the opposition, and turned my country into a dictatorship. Your trying to latch on to the hostage crisis to attack that country in 2006/07 without any context whatsoever. Then when you get to the hostage part, make sure you study up on the October Suprise regarding that operation. That is the problem with most Americans today. They have no historical reference in which to judge current events. Shawn, before commenting again on history, take a gander at Bloom's Killing Hope. It will put the whole Iranian issue into context for you.
"I would be a little pissed off if another country overthrew my government, established and funded death squads that eliminated the opposition, and turned my country into a dictatorship."
So if you were Iranian, you wouldn't worry about the current dictatorship, which spends its oil money funding Hizbollah and holding Holocaust denial conferences, you'd focus on hating America for something they did before most of the country was born?
Prove he was lying, you POS. Wether it is the real Willie or not!
I don't need to. Not a single other witness reports explosions before the impact. Not only that, but Wee Willie himself didn't report it until months after the attacks (aka. "once he realized he could invent shit to his advantage"). Finally, there's no logical explanation for such explosions. Ergo, he's lying.
Ofcourse, you follow this up with idiotic blathering about Americas involvement in Iran. Pepik already answered you very well, so I'll simply point out that Iran's justification, even if accurate, is hardly relevant. Even if their present actions could, by some miracle, be blamed on past US involvement, it in no way changes the fact that they are a threat NOW, and the we must treat them as such. So you go ahead and keep making excuses for them, while people like me focus on protecting you from them.
Shawn, before commenting again on history
Well, way to jump to conclusions. I'm aware of the Shah, you maroon. That certainly changes the fact that they overthrew him to install another dictator, doesn't it? They actually had it better under the Shah than under the Ayatollah.
They have no historical reference in which to judge current events.
Don't worry, I know more history than you would believe. I know WHY they took hostages, I just don't accept that as an excuse. Nor do I excuse anything else nowadays. Understanding the why of an event doesn't mean I excuse said actions.
Hell, if we went by how you view things, it's the UN's fault that people are dying in Iraq as it was there job to make sure the resolutions weren't broken over and over again.
Mr Rodriguez, I do think I may have gone too far into punditland with this post and the one at JREF. But I gotta question you on one simple thing: What do you intend to tell the Iranians that is going to lead to peace? Are you going to encourage them to cease their nuclear weapons programs? Because that's the only message I see that you can bring that might actually help bring about peace. And if the message you spread is that there were no terrorists on 9-11, I am very concerned about what that means for the country.
I still honor you for what you did on 9-11, and I encourage you to decline the invitation.
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