Sunday, December 17, 2006

Roberts & Wieck with the Loosers

Here's at least Part I of the debate on Hardfire.

Dylan does surprise me at about 6:45:

We made that film essentially as a bunch of kids. That's the reality of the situation; we were a bunch of kids tackling a subject far beyond the scope of any one documentary. I would be the first to admit that our film definitely contained errors, it still does contain some dubious claims, and it does come to some conclusions that are not 100% backed up by the facts.... Loose Change is not really a very fair representation of the 9-11 Truth Movement. I'd recommend 9-11 Press for Truth, 9-11 Mysteries--really 9-11 Press for Truth is the one you can show to anybody.


Maybe he is really humble?

Bermas "covers" a Flight 93 point at about 8:50:

"95% of the aircraft has been recovered, but I've never seen it. With TWA 800, you got to see the hanger--whatever happened with TWA 800, you know it hit the ocean and it was dispersed throughout there--and they did put together a large portion of that aircraft and everybody got to see it...."

Of course, the reason why they put together TWA 800 was because they wanted to know what happened to it. There was no "mystery" about what happened to United 93, and thus there was no reason to reconstruct the aircraft.

Watching the rest of this half-hour now and will append more thoughts as they come up.

Update: Bermas apparently thinks Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was executed. Heck of a researcher, there, Dylan!

Update II: Discussion in the JREF Forum. Discussion over at the Looser Forum. I especially enjoy this comment from Roxdog over there:

I think you nailed it right there. I know I can come off as pretty abrasive but I'm am normally very polite and nice until my intelligence or sanity is questioned.


Funny thing, Rox, but nobody ever questions my intelligence or sanity, although given how often I try playing Ace-Five suited perhaps they should.

49 Comments:

At 17 December, 2006 12:39, Blogger shawn said...

Hey certainly does go nuts if you call him a moron or insane over at the forum.

 
At 17 December, 2006 13:11, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This (see link) reeks absolutely of MI6/MI5 disinformation.

 
At 17 December, 2006 13:23, Blogger Democrat said...

BG, care to explain your link?

 
At 17 December, 2006 13:26, Blogger James B. said...

So is Dylan going to be this quote up on his website, that he is recommending people watch other movies instead? Oddly enough, he picks one that doesn't even argue it was an inside job.

 
At 17 December, 2006 13:34, Blogger Triterope said...

Ace-low suited is a great hand if you know how to play it right.

 
At 17 December, 2006 13:42, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dem

Here's what the Link says:

Fake terror?

"The
Scottish National Liberation Army, a tiny group of extremists dedicated
to removing the English from Scotland, have threatened to poison the
water supplies of England... The threat came in an email sent to the
Glasgow offices of The Sunday Times... The SNLA – which may be no more
than only one or two people – includes in its aims the reversal of
'mass English immigration' to Scotland, and the restoration of Scots
Gaelic (spoken by just over 1% of the population) as the national
language." Scottish terrorists in water threat Metro.co.uk

With Scotland showing signs of moving towards independence this reeks absolutely of MI6/MI5 disinformation. This is a technique used by Governments throughout the ages." - Wozzly, London UK.
>Scottish terrorists in water threat Metro.co.uk

 
At 17 December, 2006 13:44, Anonymous Anonymous said...

James B. said...

So is Dylan going to be this quote up on his website, that he is recommending people watch other movies instead? Oddly enough, he picks one that doesn't even argue it was an inside job.


Well, well, could it be that Dylan cares more about waking people up, even if it's only to how egregious the 9/11 Commission process and report was, rather than his own glory and gain?

 
At 17 December, 2006 13:52, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many Govt. bureaucrats behavior may border on incompetence or worse, but These Military Recruiters had their scam pretty well organized for three years.

 
At 17 December, 2006 14:00, Blogger shawn said...

Try to stay on topic.

 
At 17 December, 2006 14:21, Anonymous Anonymous said...

shawn said...

Try to stay on topic.


It's on topic, in that the OS supporters are frequently saying that the "govt" couldn't be competent enough to have done an inside job.

 
At 17 December, 2006 14:35, Blogger shawn said...

It's on topic, in that the OS supporters are frequently saying that the "govt" couldn't be competent enough to have done an inside job.

Yup, cocaine distributing is equivalent to engineering the greatest hoax in history.

 
At 17 December, 2006 14:36, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, well, could it be that Dylan cares more about waking people up, even if it's only to how egregious the 9/11 Commission process and report was, rather than his own glory and gain?

Maybe he should have made the video without errors then, although i don't think any truther would watch it, because there wouldn't be much to show...

Does the movie box have a disclaimer that says it has errors, or do you have to find em yourself?

 
At 17 December, 2006 14:45, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jay said...

I see your point about Dylan and Loose Change.

 
At 17 December, 2006 14:46, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Yup, cocaine distributing is equivalent to engineering the greatest hoax in history.


I think you might be surprised by how similar they are and how many organizations share both activities.

 
At 17 December, 2006 14:48, Blogger shawn said...

I think you might be surprised by how similar they are and how many organizations share both activities.

Wow. Just wow.

Hiding drug smuggling is far easier than fooling billions of people when they saw an event happen live on television.

You folks really do love grasping at straws.

 
At 17 December, 2006 15:04, Blogger sleepy2k21 said...

How will you guys feel when 90% believe its an inside job. And the media is forced to report it?

Will you still keep this site up?

 
At 17 December, 2006 15:19, Blogger shawn said...

How will you guys feel when 90% believe its an inside job. And the media is forced to report it?

Will you still keep this site up?


Argumentum ad populum.

Look it up, child.

 
At 17 December, 2006 15:19, Blogger shawn said...

The media already reports about you nutcases, idiot.

 
At 17 December, 2006 15:23, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...


How will you guys feel when 90% believe its an inside job. And the media is forced to report it?

Will you still keep this site up?


Not likely an issue since the percentage of people believing it was an inside job will NEVER reach 90%. As a matter of fact, the percent will likely go down from here on in, and when BUSH et al are out in 2008, the CT myths of 9/11 will all but fade into the shelves like the JFK legends.

TAM

 
At 17 December, 2006 16:18, Blogger Simon Lazarus said...

"That's the reality of the situation; we were a bunch of kids tackling a subject far beyond the scope of any one documentary."

Finally, an admission:

Theese boneheads are so far out of their depth it is frightening.

Their best bet is to head to some doctor and get the proper meds for their obviously delusional condition, whatever the fuck it is.

I only hope it ain't spreading, like the clap.

 
At 17 December, 2006 16:24, Blogger Simon Lazarus said...

this reeks absolutely of MI6/MI5 disinformation

Just like the Islamic loons in the UK say the attacks in July 2005 were an "inside job" as well.

Here's how I know they weren't: I WAS THERE. I was on the bus that was blown up, 1/2 hour before it happened. I was on my way to Heathrow when I got on the bus at my flat and took it to Paddington Station.

That was as much an "inside job" as 9/11.

 
At 17 December, 2006 17:21, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Simon Lazarus said...

Is it true that the location of where the bus bombing happened (on 7/7) isn't a location that it could be if it were on it's normal route?

 
At 17 December, 2006 17:25, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"....it is more likely that paranoia is to be found within the silent masses, not those in the Truth Movement who, driven by anger at injustice and fatigue from endless lies, are willing to express openly their views."

 
At 17 December, 2006 17:26, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"....it is more likely that paranoia is to be found within the silent masses, not those in the Truth Movement who, driven by anger at injustice and fatigue from endless lies, are willing to express openly their views."

 
At 17 December, 2006 17:30, Blogger shawn said...

BG, if that isn't projection, I don't know what is.

 
At 17 December, 2006 18:32, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Sleepy2k21:

I have addressed your blog list of inside job "proof" on my blog:

http://911yj.blogspot.com/

TAM

 
At 17 December, 2006 19:50, Blogger Alex said...

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At 17 December, 2006 19:51, Blogger Alex said...

Wow. Just wow.

Hiding drug smuggling is far easier than fooling billions of people when they saw an event happen live on television.


There's also the fact that these drug smugglers were caught by the authorities, without a movie called "Loose Crack", or a bunch of idiots running around yelling "army drug runners are an inside job!". If 7 guys running drugs for an organization totalling maybe 100 people tops can get caught, I'm thinking it might be a wee bit more difficult for thousands of 9/11 conspirators to keep their crimes secret.

 
At 17 December, 2006 20:58, Blogger Ransom said...

BG said:

Well, well, could it be that Dylan cares more about waking people up, even if it's only to how egregious the 9/11 Commission process and report was, rather than his own glory and gain?

So Dylan's idea of "waking people up" and "[showing] how egregious the 9/11 Commission process and report was" is to release remix after remix of an error-ridden amateur documentary?

How many editions does LC have to go through before the villagers get to ignore the little boy who cries wolf, BG?

 
At 17 December, 2006 21:16, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

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At 17 December, 2006 21:20, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

Jesus H Christ Dylan is the worlds biggest pussy.

I mean DUDE STAND BY YOUR MOVIE!!!

He is such a gutless coward!
Geez talking about setting back your own movement!!

Mark mopped these 2 smucks up.

 
At 17 December, 2006 21:22, Blogger Simon Lazarus said...

"Is it true that the location of where the bus bombing happened (on 7/7) isn't a location that it could be if it were on it's normal route?"

I took that bus from my flat in Westbourne Grove, east to Paddington Station to catch the Heathrow Express.

23 minutes later, after crossing around Edgware Road (which is more Islamic than most Islamic countries), it was blown up by Islamic nutbags.

It was NOT an inside job. My mother had to beg the lady at American Airlines to let her know if I was making the plane, because she thought I had been killed. So don't tell me about "inside jobs" and other ignorant claptrap.

 
At 17 December, 2006 23:04, Blogger Simmo said...

Dylan looks like an AIDS patient.

 
At 18 December, 2006 05:04, Blogger Stevew said...

Simon remember you were there and BG was not, so in his tiny mind he knows more than you LOL

 
At 18 December, 2006 05:42, Blogger Swing Dangler said...

Simon What is your take on the private company running a terror drill of the same make at the same time?

Again, drills and acts of terror merging at the same point and time. God sure is crazy.

 
At 18 December, 2006 08:06, Blogger Rowe_Korey said...

Dylan.

They called you a "pussy."

Make them stop.

 
At 18 December, 2006 08:46, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Simon Lazarus said...

You just got added to my ignore list because of your complete non-response to my question.

 
At 18 December, 2006 09:04, Blogger Simon Lazarus said...

Simon remember you were there and BG was not, so in his tiny mind he knows more than you LOL

I was back home in Florida a few months ago, and in the airport I met a woman who was supposed to be on one of the planes which crashed into the WTC on 9/11. She got an earlier flight and was in the air when the shit hit the fan.

We compared stories, how both of us narrowly missed getting killed, and realized how lucky both of us were.

Truly lucky.

 
At 18 December, 2006 09:05, Blogger Simon Lazarus said...

You just got added to my ignore list because of your complete non-response to my question.

Wowee, man...I am, like, so bummed out.

Your ignoring me is as important as the crap I flushed down the toilet bowl this morning. In fact, the crap was more important than you.

 
At 18 December, 2006 09:16, Blogger Alex said...

That reminds me. We should start a betting-pool on how long before BG has everyone on his ignore list. He's making damn good progress so far. I call it another month tops.

 
At 18 December, 2006 09:36, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

SIMON HOW ON EARTH WILL YOU SURVIVE ON BG'S IGNORE LIST!!!!
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!!!!!

BTW I wonder which is larger....
1) Those on BG's ignore list
2) The number of restraining orders filed against BG.
3) The number of meds BG is on
4) The number of institutions BG has been housed in
5) The number of voices in his head.

The winner gets an officially licensed and signed straight jacket!!

 
At 18 December, 2006 09:37, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

6) The number of states that BG must "register" in

 
At 18 December, 2006 10:14, Blogger Stevew said...

Welcome to the ignore list Simon :)

 
At 18 December, 2006 12:25, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder if BG hands out buttons that say, "i'm on BG's ignore list", cause i sure would like one. And yeh, welcome to the club Simon :)

 
At 18 December, 2006 12:28, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder if BG hands out buttons that say, "i'm on BG's ignore list", cause i sure would like one. And yeh, welcome to the club Simon :)

 
At 18 December, 2006 15:32, Blogger Nyke said...

Wait a sec. There's an ignore list?

 
At 18 December, 2006 16:18, Blogger R.Lange said...

Swing wrote: "What is your take on the private company running a terror drill of the same make at the same time?"

Uhh... If you're referring to the same exercise I'm thinking of, it wasn't a terror drill. It was an exercise in which a small(?) plane failed to gain altitude (or lost altitude) immediately after takeoff and crashed into a building.

 
At 18 December, 2006 16:26, Blogger R.Lange said...

Here we go: The NRO Drill.

"..the NRO’s drill was “based on the idea of a Lear Jet or a FedEx plane having a flame-out on takeoff from nearby Dulles airport and crashing into the building.” The NRO is close to the end of one of Dulles’ runways."

"Officials at the Chantilly, Va.-based National Reconnaissance Office had scheduled an exercise that morning in which a small corporate jet crashed into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failure."

 
At 19 December, 2006 05:51, Blogger Homer Simpson said...

BG, the reason the bus wasn't on its normal route was because there was a bit of a commotion at a tube station it usually goes past. You won't believe this but someone blew up a train! The emergency services, part of the conspiracy, closed the area around the station causing the bus to be diverted. It blew up outside a medical association building which meant doctors were on the scene within seconds.

So just to summarise:

The government blew up a train in a station so a bus which they also planned to blow up would be close to doctors when it blew up. The original plan, which apparently was aborted, was to start a new version of the Great Fire of London next to a fire station.

 

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