Wednesday, December 27, 2006

When Kevin Ryan Attacks

Earlier we linked to the excellent series of articles by Manuel Garcia (PhD Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering, Princeton). Now Kevin Ryan (BS, Chemistry) has written a piece attacking him. Of course Kevin can hardly be content with discussing the science of the issue, so he must include the paranoid claims of corruption.

With the case of Manuel Garcia, and his three recent, rapid-fire articles in Counterpunch, we appear to have another opportunity to examine the phenomenon of Bush science. Here we see a fully educated scientist making strong supportive statements of the Bush Administration’s 9/11 theories, despite the fact that he must know those theories are based on false or unsubstantiated claims. For our own understanding, let’s take a closer look at Manuel Garcia and his efforts.

Garcia not only works for the government, he works for a very interesting organization in terms of the best hypothesis for what happened that day. Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL), Garcia’s employer, appears to be where explosive thermite was invented, and it continues to be a focus of research there.(1) At LLNL, government scientists have learned how to combine the exothermic power of the thermite reaction with organic moieties to produce a thermite reaction that can do pressure/volume work (i.e. turn massive quantities of concrete and other building materials into dust). From the research of Steven Jones, we know that the thermite reaction likely played a role in bringing the towers down, and it would not be surprising if technology developed by LLNL was involved. Could that be why Manuel Garcia is so intent on seeing Physics that don’t exist, in order to avoid seeing links to technology developed by his employer?


He even goes on to mention Halliburton concentration camps. Do these people realize how bizarre they sound?

14 Comments:

At 27 December, 2006 13:36, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

I hear tha sound of the helicopters now....

 
At 27 December, 2006 14:03, Blogger CHF said...

Water Boy goes on the offensive.

How pathetic.

 
At 27 December, 2006 14:32, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Kevin Ryan, at some point, perhaps just when 09/11 denial began, might have had some, some, degree of credibility. Now he is worse than the Fetzers and A. Jones, because he has a science background, and still proceeds to act and speak like a conspiracy loon. I feel his opinion on all matters but water testing is complete garbage...EOS.

TAM

 
At 27 December, 2006 14:50, Blogger Alex said...

Oh God, not the thermite crap again. I thought they'd finally given up trying to fit that particular square peg into the round hole....

 
At 27 December, 2006 15:21, Blogger CHF said...

Watching the likes of Water Boy, Barret, Fetzer, Jones and Wood reminds me of this really crappy neighbourhood junior hockey team I saw a few times.

They'd always play with intensity, effort and arrogance (lots of trash talking) yet they sucked.

You'd hear one of them say: "OK guys we got em - let's really pour it on now! These guys got nothing!" only to see them do something stupid like fall on their ass or score on their own net.

They'd lose 11-0 and at the end you'd hear: "good game guys, good game; these punks were lucky to beat us."

It was like the whole team was in an alternate universe.

The twoofers seems the same: they're retarded, have no proof and no reliable experts, yet for some reason they seem convinced that they're gonna change the world.

 
At 27 December, 2006 16:09, Blogger Stevew said...

Why is it that these clowns just make these crazy claims and never give proof. I would like to see some details on this explosive thermite. The fact that he works at Livermore means he is well qualified, unlike the whaks like Ryan.
He claims false or unsubstantiated claims but he and the toofers have never provided a shread of proof. Hundreds of qualified people agree with what happened and it is not a theory, unlike the whaks.

 
At 27 December, 2006 16:42, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

CHF:
It is a mix of insanity and a lot of drugs.

 
At 27 December, 2006 19:15, Blogger Crungy said...

Over the years we’ve heard from a few educated people who claim to understand and support the latest story given by the US government for the unprecedented destruction of the WTC buildings. Unfortunately, those folks usually turn out to either work for the Bush Administration directly, like FEMA and NIST, or are in some other way profiting from the War on Terror. Some people accept what these Bush scientists say because they have PhDs in scientific fields, or because certain media sources promote the official myths. In a way, the curious behavior of these scientists and media sources allows us to better see the predicament we all face.


I see it starts out with a patented Water Boy introductory paragraph. I wanna see this aquaclown in the next 9/11 debate. He'll drown from his own bs.

 
At 27 December, 2006 20:04, Blogger Alex said...

I guess we can't trust him either, since, by his own definition, he also worked for the Bush Administration.

 
At 27 December, 2006 23:18, Blogger Murdervillage said...

On 9/11 Blogger I challenged Ryan to defend his claims in a debate with me. We'll see what response that gets.

 
At 28 December, 2006 07:08, Blogger CHF said...

Mark:

I'd love to see you vs Fetzer.

Now THAT would be a classic.

 
At 28 December, 2006 09:36, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

No that would end up in a 911 call (ironic) to get the paramedics in to treat Fetzer when he blows a gasket during the debate.

TAM

 
At 28 December, 2006 10:59, Blogger The Reverend Schmitt., FCD. said...

Unfortunately, those folks usually turn out to either work for the Bush Administration directly, like FEMA and NIST,

Or they work for private companies, like many of the people involved in producing the NIST reports and studies (who frequently explain their involvement quite proudly on their own websites), or for private demolition companies, like Jowenko, ImplosionWorld, or literally dozens of private structural engineers who've written papers on the collapse, a number who have gotten themselves published, one who won an engineering award for their work on the collapses. Or the hundreds strong team of forensic experts. Or the FBI investigation.

etc.

 
At 28 December, 2006 15:10, Blogger Manny said...

Or they work for private companies, like many of the people involved in producing the NIST reports and studies (who frequently explain their involvement quite proudly on their own websites), or for private demolition companies, like Jowenko, ImplosionWorld, or literally dozens of private structural engineers who've written papers on the collapse, a number who have gotten themselves published, one who won an engineering award for their work on the collapses. Or the hundreds strong team of forensic experts. Or the FBI investigation.

Well yeah, but dontcha see, their companies get paid by the government. Or another conspirator. So they're in on it, too!

I forget who it is, but one of the folks here has a healthy habit of asking Loosers who would they trust to do the new, independent investigation they all claim to be demanding and how would those people get paid for their work. He's never, ever received even an attempt at an answer.

 

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