Wednesday, January 13, 2010

Grifter Doubles Down on Phone Calls

I think we have to seriously consider the possibility that David Ray Griffin is senile. He's still insisting that some of the phone calls were faked:

In response to the claim – made in several of my writings and repeated during my Fifth Estate interview – that at least some of the reported phone calls were almost certainly fabricated, one critic wrote: “DRG has no evidence . . . that phone calls were faked.”42 To the contrary, there is considerable evidence for this conclusion.


His "evidence"? Why some of the people receiving the phone calls reported that they came from a cellphone:

As we saw, people on the ground reported receiving cell phone calls from UA 93 flight attendant Sandra Bradshaw; UA 93 passengers Marion Britton, Tom Burnett, Jeremy Glick, and Elizabeth “Honor” Wainio; from UA 175 passengers Peter Hanson and Brian Sweeney; from AA 77 flight attendant Renee May; and, according to the best-known version of Ted Olson’s account, AA 77 passenger Barbara Olson. However, the FBI, in its report to the Moussaoui trial, declared that all of those calls were made from onboard phones. If that is true, how would the FBI explain why so many people reported that they had been called from cell phones?


I don't know, you drooling baboon, maybe they didn't know the difference between Airfones and cellphones? Maybe they thought Airfones are just a different type of cellphone? Maybe unlike idiot Troofers, they weren't suspicious that their loved ones were pulling some sort of elaborate hoax on them?

If I ever meet David Ray Griffin, I'm going to have a tough time restraining myself from punching him in the face.

66 Comments:

At 13 January, 2010 09:10, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

As if it wasn't already obvious that something is screwy here,the Chief Yahoo who arises at the crow of the rooster to lambaste the totally inconsequential "truth" movement is now making thinly veiled references to injuring David Ray Griffin.For creeps like Donald Rumsfeld,Rush Limbaugh,Dick Cheney et al. he reserves his short supply of compassion and understanding!

 
At 13 January, 2010 10:08, Anonymous Pat works with Killtown and Nico said...

ROFL at the idea of fat Pat Curley punching david ray griffin. He would hand you your ass.

We have all see the pictures of you Pat.

Unless you are going to get your fellow cyber stalkers Killtown and Nico to help?

 
At 13 January, 2010 10:10, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Much of the confusion seems to involve the facts about flight 77: were the airphones removed or not? The Hoffman side maintains that they were not removed from AA 757s until 2002 and seems to assume they were operable. Sheila Casey claims in her article about the flight 77 FDR that they had been deactivated in 2001: "According to American Airlines customer service, the American Airlines maintenance manual for that aircraft, and American
Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01."

 
At 13 January, 2010 10:16, Anonymous Douchebag plays hide the sausage with the Jackman Brothers said...

I'll get you at recess!

 
At 13 January, 2010 10:39, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

Speaking of drooling baboons, you got four quick posts from them.

 
At 13 January, 2010 10:41, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Airphones were deactivated in 2002, look it up. Captain Kolstad is another one of Rob's idiot memebers, what the hell does he know.

 
At 13 January, 2010 10:42, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"...were the airphones removed or not?"

It has been indisputably proven that they weren't, and, yes, you are a drooling baboon.

"Sheila Casey claims in her article about the flight 77 FDR that they had been deactivated in 2001"

Sheila is a drooling baboon, too.

"American Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01"

Captain Kolstad is wrong.

 
At 13 January, 2010 10:43, Anonymous troyfromwv said...

I think Pat maybe needs to take a break and put things into perspective.

These kooks are in an overwhelming minority. They got some attention years ago. Now they're laughingstocks to anyone who pays attention. It's just fail after fail with these people.

Examples: Sheen-Obama Interview. Gage's 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000? (Whatever the number, it means nothing.)







sorry for the pause. Had to beat up on my abused boys. ::rolls eyes::









Loose Change Final Cut, Loose Change American coo-Coup, etc, etc.

 
At 13 January, 2010 11:42, Anonymous TroyinPatsVagina said...

"I DON'T KNOW... maybe they didn't know the difference between Airfones and cellphones? Maybe they thought Airfones are just a different type of cellphone?"
-Punchy Pat Squirrely

Since you admit you're clueless about the answers, why wouldn't you want anyone to investigate them conclusively? Would you prefer to wallow in your ignorance, along with the parasites here? Never mind...the answer is patently obvious.

 
At 13 January, 2010 11:54, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Since you admit you're clueless about the answers,"

Sorry, Krazee, you're the assetion monkey here, you prove it.


"...why wouldn't you want anyone to investigate them conclusively?"

Sorry, Krazee, you're the assetion monkey here, you investigate it.

"Would you prefer to wallow in your ignorance"

Says the insane drooling baboon.

 
At 13 January, 2010 12:32, Anonymous Hazardous Thong said...

Laughably Wrong (again): could you please tell me where I made any type of 'assertion'? Do you know what the word means?

How about it, Pat? Running scared yet again, you pugilist you?

 
At 13 January, 2010 12:45, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Laughably Wrong (again):"

Where? What's wrong?


" could you please tell me where I made any type of 'assertion'?"

Every insane conspiracy theory you spew, you retard.

"Do you know what the word means?"

Yep.

And I didn't have to use dictionary.com, either.

 
At 13 January, 2010 13:06, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Not the best thread,Paddy! What with you broaching the subject of assaulting an older dude and Troy joking about "disciplining" his own children.And then "anonymous" nails it perfectly:you really are not far removed from being a cyber stalker! One thing,you truly are less than a weasel! That's a triple-whammy if I ever saw one!

 
At 13 January, 2010 13:37, Anonymous troyfromwv said...

TRIPLE WHAMMY

lol......

 
At 13 January, 2010 13:54, Anonymous William 'D-Fens' Foster said...

I'll have a double whammy burger with cheese, an order of whammy fries and chocolate wham shake...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM8qT9Xop5k

 
At 13 January, 2010 14:45, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

In case you can't tell, I don't know difference between my ass and a hole in the ground.

 
At 13 January, 2010 14:46, Blogger pdoherty76 said...

I'm back!!!!!!


I haven't been around for a while. Is it still great fun to slap down the deranged debunkers here?

Where are all my old stalkers like TAM, Pomeroo and TelescopeBurke?

 
At 13 January, 2010 15:52, Anonymous Marc said...

American Airlines found that the GTE Airphones were not cost effective so they removed them from all of their airlines...except the 767 & 777 airfames.

Ruh roh.

Stupid facts.

 
At 13 January, 2010 16:07, Anonymous Troofers are worse than Hemorrhoids said...

pdoherty76 said...
I'm back!!!!!!

yawn...BFD nobody...

 
At 13 January, 2010 16:15, Blogger pdoherty76 said...

Just admit you missed me, debunker.

 
At 13 January, 2010 16:22, Blogger Triterope said...

The Hoffman side maintains that they were not removed from AA 757s until 2002 and seems to assume they were operable. Sheila Casey claims in her article about the flight 77 FDR that they had been deactivated in 2001

This, folks, is what the 9-11 Truth Movement has been reduced to.

Having failed at creating a real controversy about 9-11, the Truth movement is now reduced to fomenting meta-controversy amongst itself.

"Conspiracy Researcher A says the Airfones were removed in 2001. But Conspiracy Researcher B says they weren't removed until 2002. Who's right? Gasp gasp!" With the implication that either way, there is an Airfone controversy.

And so it is with everything these idiots do. Was 9/11 an inside job because of controlled demolition, or was 9/11 an inside job because of TV fakery? Was 9/11 as an inside job because the Airfone calls were faked, or was 9/11 an inside job because Larry Silverstein said "pull it"? And on and on and on. They assume the real issue, present a false choice between two sub-propositions that are equally stupid and irrelevant, and chortle at their cleverness.

Since you admit you're clueless about the answers, why wouldn't you want anyone to investigate them conclusively?

Because they're equally stupid and irrelevant.

And I've seen enough "investigating" from you clowns to know that you couldn't pass the level of scrutiny present at a middle school science fair, or treat the victims with the level of respect you see at a gang shooting.

So take your incompetent dishonest amateur "investigating" and shove it.

 
At 13 January, 2010 17:30, Blogger Pat said...

What you may not get from the photos of me that you've seen is that I'm a big man. I'm 6'2" tall and weigh about 225 pounds.

And while I get along with Nico, I despise Killclown.

 
At 13 January, 2010 17:41, Anonymous Nobody Troofers are the Worst said...

"Just admit you missed me, debunker."

Douche - I have no clue who the fuck you are so how in the hell can I miss you?

Get over yourself - quickly!

 
At 13 January, 2010 17:50, Blogger pdoherty76 said...

Pat you may be 6'2 tall, but that 225lb is pure fat, not muscle.

How exactly can you get along with Nico???? He has just posted a video of a sex doll which he claims is modelled on a 911 victim.

Could you explain how you want to punch griffin over the phonecalls, but you befriend Nico who daubs a church with feces and nazi stuff and says the planes weren't even real????

By the way, is it true Killtown is going to be exposed? He hasn't posted anywhere on the net for over 24 hours. I think he has done a runner.

 
At 13 January, 2010 17:54, Blogger ConsDemo said...

pdoherty76, how is the internet dating scene coming? Are you still desperate for a woman to give you the time of day? Here's a hint, give up the conspiracy theory crap, it creeps normal people out.

Pat, Grifter does deserve a knuckle sandwich. He is so eager to exonerate Islamic extremists, yet, yet he doesn't take a trip to visit his pals in Waziristan and adjoining locales. I wonder why, probably because the dumbass at least has enough sense to know they'd waste him. So instead he runs around slandering his country and his fellow citizens. What a worthless piece of trash Grifter is.

 
At 13 January, 2010 17:59, Blogger James B. said...

Heh, Griffin mentions the maintenance records we posted, however, he completely fails to cite us, or include any other supporting information so people can check his sources and make up their own mind. That is academic standards at their highest. Of course he dismisses them, for no other reason than the fact that they contradict his conclusions.

 
At 13 January, 2010 18:02, Blogger pdoherty76 said...

Consdemo here's a hint.....I am married.


You shouldn't believe everything you read that has been posted by my stalkers.

I must have been such a threat to you guys ;-)

Do you realise that I have tried to create more socks at jref but it appears they are stopping anyone british joining just in my honour. Why do you fear me so much over at JREF?

P.S. Who is my current sock at JREF? lol

 
At 13 January, 2010 18:40, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

A little militant aren't we, Pat?

Your threats to punch somebody in the face may start to elicit something other than laughter - that is, after you've actually stopped being a little anonymous bitch too afraid to even create a public profile.

 
At 13 January, 2010 18:44, Anonymous That Just Scared the Shit Out Of Me! said...

What in the fuck is this????

http://pics.livejournal.com/dikayasobaka/pic/000qszs7

 
At 13 January, 2010 18:48, Anonymous poodohery666 said...

"Do you realise that I have tried to create more socks at jref but it appears they are stopping anyone british joining just in my honour. Why do you fear me so much over at JREF?

P.S. Who is my current sock at JREF? lol"

Jesus H. Christ! A troofer with an ego!

You have a ways to go to work yourself up to what you think you on here.

If it doesn't involve Barry Jennings you have moved up a notch in my books.









Congrats - you are now at notch one.

 
At 13 January, 2010 18:58, Blogger ConsDemo said...

P'Doh, that "stalker" (there was only one that recall) posted a link to your personal ad.

Bore-ass, how many sockpuppets did you use to post here? Voron, Zlaya, etc? You are one to talk when it comes to anonymous postings.

 
At 13 January, 2010 19:10, Anonymous paul w said...

Psst. Hey, truthers.

Gotta tell ya, you really have the NWO on the run, that's for sure.

Cannot talk too long, and I have to wisper, as my NWO superiors are hanging around...but all those facts you've been posting that support the 'inside job' scenario, has got them REALLY worried.

With all the solid stuff coming from AE911truth, 911oz, and such, and especially the street actions,
man, they are SHITTING themselves.

I cannot believe we're now 'debating' Pat's weight!

Wow...gotta tell ya, that's the ONE thing the evil NWO/Jewish World Domination League/Hello Kitty triple-headed beast REALLY wanted to keep secret.

Yup, my NWO superiors are furious. I can see them in the secret underground office opposite me, man, they're going ape-shit.

Yup, they're really, really worried. They know the second that Pat's true weight hits the media, they're toast.

Gotta go, they're looking at me...

Oh yeah, Brian, seek professional help.

 
At 13 January, 2010 19:11, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

boron, is that your mug shot? Did you photoshop out the numbers?

 
At 13 January, 2010 19:29, Blogger pdoherty76 said...

SEEING AS I WAS BANNED FROM JREF DUE TO GRAVY'S FEAR, HOW ABOUT ONE OF YOU PUNKS AGREE TO A MODERATED ONE ON ONE DEBATE ON THE NIST WTC7 FINAL REPORT.

BETCHA WON'T! :-)

 
At 13 January, 2010 19:59, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

Nothing to debate, moron.

4 jets were hijacked by islamofascist terrorists and 3 were flown into their targets, the other wasn't due to the heroism of the passangers on board.

WTC collapsed due to damage from the collapse of the twin towers and hours of raging fires.

Nothing to debate, moron.

 
At 13 January, 2010 20:32, Anonymous Troofers R Puszies said...

"SEEING AS I WAS BANNED FROM JREF DUE TO GRAVY'S FEAR, HOW ABOUT ONE OF YOU PUNKS AGREE TO A MODERATED ONE ON ONE DEBATE ON THE NIST WTC7 FINAL REPORT."

How about I beat the fuck out of you?

Where do I sign up for that nobody?

 
At 13 January, 2010 20:35, Anonymous New Yorker said...

What on earth is going on? First we've got "pdoherty76" posting like he's Spacebar guy who actually learned to use it, and then we've got "Boris Epstein" whose profile suggests he's interested in both socialism and libertarianism (which is sort of like checking off the religion box as both satanist and christian).

Did I miss the AP report about a mass escape at a mental hospital in the last 24 hours?

 
At 13 January, 2010 20:37, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

SEEING AS I WAS BANNED FROM JREF

You still have at least two active socks on JREF.

 
At 13 January, 2010 21:27, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

As if it wasn't already obvious that something is screwy here,the Chief Yahoo who arises at the crow of the rooster to lambaste the totally inconsequential "truth" movement is now making thinly veiled references to injuring David Ray Griffin.

That's nothing. Over at JREF we have a thread going where everyone who has posted so far is cheering the death of the most famous truther in america.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=164639

 
At 13 January, 2010 23:00, Anonymous Rob Balsamo is a fraud said...

"Captain Kolstad is wrong."

Or he's a liar.

 
At 13 January, 2010 23:04, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Heh, Griffin mentions the maintenance records we posted, however, he completely fails to cite us, or include any other supporting information so people can check his sources and make up their own mind. That is academic standards at their highest. Of course he dismisses them, for no other reason than the fact that they contradict his conclusions."

DRG is a sick old man who is either the most dishonest person you ever will come across in your life or as Pat said just senile.

 
At 14 January, 2010 02:04, Anonymous Beatrix's_Bitch said...

So... "truth" seekers. What exactly do you hope to accomplish? If even half of what you claim is true, we are so powerful that there is nothing you nor any group of megaphone wielding picketers can do to stop us. "We" being supporters of the established order, supporters willing to accept much of what you claim not withstanding.
If you think the most recent economic troubles are the beginning of some "awakening" don't kid yourselves. The 1930's couldn't end the established order, this episode is minor in comparison.
The internet hasn't helped either, in fact it has made things worse for you by giving voice to every nutcase dissident and would-be subversive so that there is no cohesive opposition, just noise.
But still you try, still you have faith that "change" is possible (hahaha the irony is palpable!), I just want to know why?

 
At 14 January, 2010 05:06, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The interview with Mr. Griffin was a big part of the BBC's "Conspiracy Files: Osama bin Laden dead or alive." Did you see it?
-Emory

 
At 14 January, 2010 06:20, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Anonymous said...
The interview with Mr. Griffin was a big part of the BBC's "Conspiracy Files: Osama bin Laden dead or alive." Did you see it?
-Emory"

Naw, I was busy shaving my cat.

 
At 14 January, 2010 07:14, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Laughable Dong shaves his pussy? Why am I not surprised?

 
At 14 January, 2010 07:40, Blogger Dave said...

The internet has also given a voice to a large skeptic movement that is causing major damage to all sorts of Woo Woo ideas. The UFO thing is all but dead as is bigfoot, and the guy who faked the picture of the Loch Ness confessed to the deed on his deathbed.

You can't make money being a skeptic, the great unwashed masses love a good conspiracy theory and will buy books and movies on their favorite delusion, just look at the JFK conspiracy books and a major movie. They will line up to listen to Sylvia Browne even those she has a history of being dead wrong in her predictions. Remember when some people thought the Moon landings were fake? Never underestimate the willingness of people to be suckered.

But one debunker spreading a few facts and introducing a little logic can really screw up a perfectly good conspiracy theory. No money to be made from this, it's a free public service. 20 years from now it will be the same, a few credulous boob pimping the latest phantasm and some smart ass debunkers poking them with a stick getting a perverse pleasure watching them dance around.

 
At 14 January, 2010 08:13, Anonymous Troofers R Us said...

"Why am I not surprised?"

Less pubes on your Mom's face when she gets home?

 
At 14 January, 2010 08:46, Blogger pdoherty76 said...

Hey Sword of Truth, how can I possibly have 2 socks at JREF? I thought they always got caught ;-)

I will give you a little hint:

ONE OF MY SOCKS AT JREF IS A PROLIFIC DEBUNKER, WHO MIGHT HAVE AN EPIPHANY IN THE FUTURE ROFL

 
At 14 January, 2010 09:40, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Less pubes on your Mom's face when she gets home?"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!

 
At 14 January, 2010 09:58, Anonymous Troofers R Us said...

"ONE OF MY SOCKS AT JREF IS A PROLIFIC DEBUNKER, WHO MIGHT HAVE AN EPIPHANY IN THE FUTURE ROFL"

GREAT FUCKTARD - WE CAN HARDLY WAIT ROFL

 
At 14 January, 2010 12:11, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"ONE OF MY SOCKS AT JREF IS A PROLIFIC DEBUNKER, WHO MIGHT HAVE AN EPIPHANY IN THE FUTURE ROFL"

Twoooofers™ are such fucktards.

Do you not realize that the day you pull you insanely juvenile stunt, everyone there will say "OOH, it's that mouth breathing moron pdoughboy revealing another one of his sockpuppets."?

Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at birth, pdork?

 
At 14 January, 2010 15:21, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Another threat from ConsDemo followed by a whiny JamesB lament.You Bozos are pathetic+Nico Haupt and PornBoy.

 
At 14 January, 2010 19:52, Blogger Triterope said...

Laughable Dong shaves his pussy?

A "cat=pussy" joke? Seriously? What are you, twelve?

 
At 14 January, 2010 22:05, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

As if it wasn't already obvious that something is screwy here,the Chief Yahoo who arises at the crow of the rooster to lambaste the totally inconsequential "truth" movement is now making thinly veiled references to injuring David Ray Griffin.For creeps like Donald Rumsfeld,Rush Limbaugh,Dick Cheney et al. he reserves his short supply of compassion and understanding!

9/11 truthers have murdered 3 police officers, 2 doctors and a security guard in the past year and you're flipping out because Pat wants to punch an asshole who gets his jollies by spitting on the victims families?

Is there ANY sense of right and wrong left in the truth movement?

 
At 14 January, 2010 22:07, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

ONE OF MY SOCKS AT JREF IS A PROLIFIC DEBUNKER, WHO MIGHT HAVE AN EPIPHANY IN THE FUTURE ROFL

And how is this going to prove 9/11 was an inside job?

 
At 15 January, 2010 08:41, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

The Debunker Cult has eaten 12,342 donuts,smoked 17,000 joints,missed 88 tablet schedules,goofed on 17 leaflet distributors,wasted their lives for years obsessing insanely over fellow freedom seeking and democratic minded citizens,stretched credulity in new and exciting ways,actively spread disinformation,lived out of sock drawers for months,circle jerked with gaiety and flamboyance and remained a gnat on a horses tail.We do have to acknowledge one point,though:you people never give up!

 
At 15 January, 2010 10:51, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Pat hates,he assaults,he's a real Renaissance Man!!!

 
At 16 January, 2010 18:58, Blogger pomeroo said...

This comment has been removed by the author.

 
At 16 January, 2010 18:59, Blogger pomeroo said...

Conspiracy liars bear a striking resemblance to Alzheimer's patients. Every day is the first day of creation. Let's go through the drill again:

A few years ago, I contacted John Hotard, communications director for American Airlines. He explained that the decision to remove airphones from domestic flights was made in 2001. The phones were removed in 2002. No work order was ever issued for AA Flight 77.

Faced with these rather inconvenient facts, Grifter ran and hid. He slithered out several months later to repeat his dishonest claims. Business as usual.

Hey, how about another round of the "pull it" follies?

 
At 17 January, 2010 11:03, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Pom Pom Girl is right about "pull it".Any progress on the Col.Anthony Shaffer thing? Rick Siegel's footage? Or do you prefer to join the entire Debunker Cult with their heads in the sand? When you somersault back into contention try the Barry Jennings story,I'd really love to hear your angle on that one.

 
At 17 January, 2010 18:29, Blogger pomeroo said...

Sorry, Assholie, but there is no progress on Able Danger. It is a real controversy and, as such, no concern of yours. We won't be reaching any firm conclusions here. For my part, I don't claim to have inside information. I know almost as little as you do about the internecine battles between intel agencies.

I'll try the Barry Jennings story: he wasn't a twoofer.

Don't you get tired of getting your silly butt whipped?

 
At 17 January, 2010 18:36, Blogger pomeroo said...

I am willing to state for the record that Rick Siegel is not as totally bonkers as Sophia Clunkety-Clunk:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=144502&highlight=Rick+Siegel

 
At 18 January, 2010 09:17, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Poor,poor pitiful Pom Pom Girl! Is he smoking the same crack as Troy? Unless you can show that Rick Siegel's footage of the North Tower being obliterated is faked,then you have a real problem on your hands.Until then,you can goof on him all you want.Won't change the footage.

 
At 18 January, 2010 17:06, Blogger Triterope said...

Poor,poor pitiful Pom Pom Girl!

A "girl" insult? Brian, is that you?

 
At 19 January, 2010 09:12, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Hapless,desperate,mentally deranged,anchored to their computer stools and flailing miserably,the shining stars and uber-regular commenters of the Debunker Cult are now tossing "racist" and "sexist" charges around like confetti.Ridiculous,Boyos,just plain ridiculous!!

 
At 19 January, 2010 11:39, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Hooray for Pom Pom Girl! "Barry Jennings wasn't a truther"!! Step by step,onward and upward.There's coffee and donuts over on the table! Smoking is allowed!

 

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