Thursday, February 18, 2010

It's a False Flag!!

I should not be surprised, but it was only a matter of minutes before the truthers started spinning the incident in Austin today. Given that that is the home of Alex Jones, I am sure one could come up with creative theories implicating the large one himself. From his Infowars website though:

“According to a federal official, the crash was intentional, and the pilot, Joseph Andrew Stack, had set fire to his own house before stealing a Cirrus SR22 single-engine plane from Georgetown Municipal Airport and crashing it into the Echelon Building,” reports Jordan Yerman for NowPublic.


Readers of Infowars.com have posted a link to the following anti-government screed, written by Mr. Stack. It increasingly looks like the Austin plane crash is a false flag attack.

32 Comments:

At 18 February, 2010 23:01, Anonymous paul w said...

Part of it is that Truthers are 'into' trutherism.

Like motorbike/computer/sports enthusiasts, they will talk endlessly about anything connected to it.

As for Jones, we all know what he's like.

Not only does he see himself as a newshound (if you think that's a laugh, try writing it), he also needs people to read his site so he can stay popular and make more money.

He gonna be quick with stuff like this.

 
At 18 February, 2010 23:02, Anonymous paul w said...

And, who knows what part Jones and his ilk played in driving this man over the edge?

 
At 19 February, 2010 00:15, Anonymous Patrick from Cincinnati said...

I'm just glad that embeddedart.com will be available soon. Sounds like a cool URL.

Btw Russia Today of course featured AJ.

 
At 19 February, 2010 01:04, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Why does the ADL categorize Tax Protesters as extremists?"

Oh. Good call.

 
At 19 February, 2010 08:29, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, because every single "tax protester" has flown a plane into a building, right?

 
At 19 February, 2010 08:37, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

Bet they will be up in arms about the poor freedom fighter Hamas leader iced by "The Jews".

 
At 19 February, 2010 08:48, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Dave Kyte said...
Bet they will be up in arms about the poor freedom fighter Hamas leader iced by "The Jews"."

Mossad.

Gotta love 'em.

 
At 19 February, 2010 10:18, Anonymous Batshit Curley said...

The column failed over 8 floors everybody. Therefore the building has to fall with no resistance. I don't need to study the details, don't you dolts get it?

I'm a big guy, by the way, and I don't talk about the facts of 9/11, only my perceptions of "truthers". God, I hate my life.

 
At 19 February, 2010 10:33, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

" Roid Rage said...
"He was on the sidelines cheering the fascists on.

Nice pom-poms by the way."

PWWWFFFFRRRT!!

This is me taking a big, smelly, damn near toxic dump on your son's military service again, neo-fascist."


Bears repeating.

Just to expose to the world what a child you truly are.

 
At 19 February, 2010 10:47, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

The Dynamic Duo Shyte and PornBoy,working OT,lobbing "Jew Hater" grenades.Those Brits whose identity was stolen by the assassins aren't feeling too safe and secure at this point,are they Sackpool?

 
At 19 February, 2010 11:17, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we say.. AHEAD OF THE CURVE?
Look at the posting time on this!!
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=17513

 
At 19 February, 2010 12:35, Blogger rjs87 said...

i gotta admit...looking at the pictures of the wreck, i didn't see any tail fin sticking out, or any obvious wreckage, or any holes left by the engine impacts. So it must be an inside job!!!

 
At 19 February, 2010 13:52, Anonymous Marc said...

The IRS attacked itself. Their goal is to guilt us into paying taxes like sheep. I mean come on, Bush lives in Texas, JFK was murdered by the Military-Industrial Complex in Texas, Waco, blah,blah,blah...

Yeah, that's the ticket! Hey, is there any money in troofering? I can make shit up all day too.

 
At 19 February, 2010 14:58, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Arhoolie said...
The Dynamic Duo Shyte and PornBoy,working OT,lobbing "Jew Hater" grenades.Those Brits whose identity was stolen by the assassins aren't feeling too safe and secure at this point,are they Sackpool?"

Huh?

Can anyone make heads or tails out of this rubbish?

 
At 19 February, 2010 15:08, Anonymous NoIdentity said...

Those Brits whose identity was stolen by the assassins aren't feeling too safe and secure at this point,are they Sackpool?

Mossad's Kidon teams are pretty awesome. Booo hooo a Hamas weapons dealer was killed. What utter injustice!
Avenge, Disrupt, Deter. Gotta love Mossad.

Here's a pretty good analysis for anyone curious about this targeted killing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTmRyyZEVQY&feature=player_embedded

 
At 19 February, 2010 16:55, Anonymous paul w said...

Here's a comment from the Oz loonies:

"fire truck and hazmat just happen to be across the road...
also the first witness states 30 feet and then the reporter says she said 15..."

Gee, where have we heard that sort of thought process before?

Even more hilarious, they're using AJ's site, in which his 'sources' claim that 'they' knew.

http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=6918

 
At 19 February, 2010 17:29, Anonymous NoIdentity said...

Are you an Aussie paul w?

You guys haven't really had any domestic incidents have you? I know that various Islamic groups have targeted Australians in Indonesia though.
I was sorta hoping that there weren't as many crazies in Australia as in the rest of the Anglosphere. Just hot blondes and kangaroos : )

 
At 19 February, 2010 17:51, Anonymous New Yorker said...

Of course it's a false flag. That's why the government was quick to blame it on Iranians.

I really want to know if any attack in American history wasn't a false flag in the minds of these idiots. Was Fort Sumter a false flag? How about Lexington and Concord?

 
At 19 February, 2010 18:02, Blogger Triterope said...

Anybody read this asshole's suicide note? He wasn't a 9-11 Truther, but he has the same logic as one.

Here's the definitive paragraph:

Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God).

This is so much something a 9-11 Truther would say. It has the same tone of arrogance, ignorance, incompetence, laziness, smugness, and self-righteousness as what wafts from the collective asshole of trutherism. Let's look at the components of the above claim:

1. Start with a legitimate grievance. The tax loopholes that large, wealthy churches benefit from are obscene, and citizens are right to be mad about them. As with the 9-11 investigation, there are many things to be unsatisfied about, such as first-responder health issues and the failure to hold anyone culpable for what happened.

2. Conduct amateur research. The guy wanted to make a statement about church tax exemptions, so what did he do? Call a tax lawyer? Research other cases where people made similar claims? Write his congressman? Join a political action group? No, he got together with his beer buddies and studied the tax code himself! Fun Saturday night that must have been.

And so it is with Truthers. Every goddamn 9-11 Truth movie, every goddamn book, every lame website from Loose Change to New Pearl Harbor to Citizen's Investigation Team was made by some Truther with no professional training and no ability to analyze the information. And for confirmation, they ask other Truthers with similar lack of credentials. Remember Dylan Avery bringing on David Ray Griffin as "fact checker"?

Conspiracy believers put all their faith in the work of other amateurs. They don't trust professionals; they're "in on it" or "sheeple" or "paid shills" or otherwise blind to the obvious truths that seem to reveal themselves only to petulant teenage males and lifelong conspiracy authors with a new book to sell.

"But wait", you're thinking, "He said he hired the best tax lawyers available!" I'm getting to that...

3. Have your amateur insights confirmed by professional charlatans.

For those of you not familiar with tax dodge schemes, let me tell you exactly what this guy did in the quoted paragraph.

He tried to evade taxes by declaring himself as a church.

Seriously. That's what he did. It is (or used to be) a common tax-evasion trick. It never works.

But the world (and these days, the Internet) is full of people who will charge you exorbitant amounts of money to try. They'll tell you it works. They'll cite court cases, knowing their marks will never verify them (see #2 above), or understand what they mean (see #2 above), and will be impressed by their phony but impressive-sounding credentials (see #2 above).

Who does this remind you of? Richard Gage, and his phony-baloney 1000 "architects and engineers." Every wacko belief system has a half-professional/half-charlatan class writing books and lending their phony credentials to fleece the sheep and reinforce their belief. And if you fall for the IRS conspiracy stuff, and make filings based on it, it can really mess up your life.

 
At 19 February, 2010 18:04, Blogger Triterope said...

4. When you lose, it's all a conspiracy against you.

After this asshole lost his court case, he went on to say:

this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

No, you didn't lose because there are two interpretations of the law. You lost because a person is not a church. Even if you're a pastor, you are not a church. But he spins this into a massive government conspiracy against him. As he did everything else that ever befell him -- most of which was his own stupid fault.

Trutherland has too many examples of this mentality to count. The failure of the NYCCAN petition is probably the biggest one.

And finally:

5. Appeal to altruism, but act only in self-interest. We've all seen Truthers beat the drum of first responders and victim families... when it's convenient to their agenda. And at no other time.

This asshole's suicide letter is just dripping with proclamations like this:

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living.

But if you read everything else the man says and does, his only real interest is in lining his own pockets. All these "exercises" seem to benefit only himself.

Then he turns around and accuses "fat cats" of acting out of greed and disinterest in others, as he torches his $250,000 home, and kills someone with his $30,000 aircraft.

The guy should have the words "what an asshole" on his tombstone. Which also makes a nice epitaph for the 9-11 Truth movement.

 
At 19 February, 2010 18:07, Anonymous NoIdentity said...

4. When you lose, it's all a conspiracy against you.

It's hardly a coincidence that paranoid and narcissistic personality disorder usually occur together.
This piece of shit left a "manifesto" online. I'm sure it was brilliant and profound and will start a revolution. He was just pissed as his wife and thought he was above the law. Who doesn't hate the IRS? Taxes don't give you the right to murder. This sick son of a bitch set his house on fire while his wife and daughter were still inside!

 
At 19 February, 2010 18:16, Anonymous paul w said...

NoIdentity said...
Are you an Aussie paul w?


Aussie, yes.

"Islamic groups have targeted Australians in Indonesia though"

Maybe. As far as the Bali bombings, from what I can gather, that might have been be more about local issues than Australians, i.e. targeting a popular tourist locaation.

"I was sorta hoping that there weren't as many crazies in Australia as in the rest of the Anglosphere."

The crazies are here, but in lesser numbers, I suppose, though I'm sure the specific cultures of each country also plays a major part (though I'd have to place that question in the hands of the Americans posting here about the USA).

Fortunately, no terrorist slaughters here so far (ignoring the massacres of Aboriginals in convict times), but really, it's all fucked, no matter where it is.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter to me if it's Americans, Australians or someone from the Upper Congo but, yes, it's good that nothing has happened.

"Just hot blondes and kangaroos"

Every country I've been too has hot women. My girlfriends have been from all parts of the world, too. Must be something about the gender.

Yup, the 'roos are great.

It's a great place to live (and we have New Zealand next door).

 
At 19 February, 2010 18:22, Anonymous paul w said...

Triterope

Well said.

The guy didn't give a shit who was in there, even if it were children.

 
At 19 February, 2010 18:33, Anonymous NoIdentity said...

Every country I've been too has hot women.
I know, I know, I just can't get enough of the accent. I have a great deal of respect for Australia and New Zealand. I hope to travel to both places eventually.

 
At 19 February, 2010 18:59, Anonymous paul w said...

Accent???

You've never spoken to a French woman?

 
At 20 February, 2010 05:54, Anonymous Roid Rage said...

1. Start with a legitimate grievance. The tax loopholes that large, wealthy churches benefit from are obscene, and citizens are right to be mad about them. As with the 9-11 investigation, there are many things to be unsatisfied about, such as first-responder health issues and the failure to hold anyone culpable for what happened.

Amen! Well said, Triterope!

 
At 20 February, 2010 07:13, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

" Roid Rage said...
"He was on the sidelines cheering the fascists on.

Nice pom-poms by the way."

PWWWFFFFRRRT!!

This is me taking a big, smelly, damn near toxic dump on your son's military service again, neo-fascist."


Bears repeating.

Just to expose to the world what a child you truly are.

 
At 20 February, 2010 07:29, Anonymous Roid Rage said...

Bears repeating.

Just to expose to the world what a child you truly are.


BLLLLRRRRTT!!!

Aaaahhh!

Indeed it does!

=)

 
At 20 February, 2010 14:25, Anonymous paul w said...

"The five-page rant the software engineer wrote before his performance murder is illogical, hysterical, hyperbolic, and deeply dishonest."

Note, the 'seven deadly traits' the author mentions are shared by our truthers.

http://www.slate.com/id/2245337/

 
At 20 February, 2010 14:28, Anonymous paul w said...

Stack also had the grandiose idea that he was on a mission. "By striking a nerve," he hopes "the American zombies wake up and revolt."

Hmm. Where have we heard that before?

 
At 20 February, 2010 16:59, Blogger Triterope said...

Amen! Well said, Triterope!

I think you missed the point, but thanks anyway.

 
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