CPT's Coverage of Loose Change
A little more fair and balanced than the last time around; the debunkers get in some pretty good points. Note that Screw Loose Change (the movie) is mentioned at the very end. They do let the Waterboy get away with his claim to be a whistle-blower, and the materials given away to donors are skewed strongly to the crackpot version with only the Popular Mechanics book representing the rational side.
Labels: Colorado Nutbars, KBDI, Loose Change American Coup
posted by Pat @ 5:38 PM
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78 Comments:
LOL! Something hilarious about someone saying "Screw Loose Change" with a straight face.
The PM book represents the rational side?
The PM book lies on the second page of its introduction, where Sen. McCain claims that we "liberated" Afghanistan.
It lies on the first page of its introduction when it says that evidence conclusively linked 9/11 to al Qaeda.
It then proceeds to knock down a whole series of straw man arguments.
If the PM book is rational, then it is dishonest by design.
Boy, nothing is funnier than Brian's angry, sour-grapes babbling about real engineers with real accomplishments. I'm sure PM would let you mop their floors for them if you asked nicely, Brian.
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I wonder what Brian's analyst/psychiatrist says about his desperate need for acknowledgment?
Who knows, this might even be good for him?
How come the PM engineers are afraid to debate?
'Cause all they're good for is knocking down straw dolls. They can't hold their own against real engineers like the 25 structural engineers with AE911Truth.org.
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I'll say. PM's weak sisters are sad all right.
I posted 'sad' as a reply, and by the time I had deleted it...
Seek professional help, Brian.
I did seek professional help, paul. Professional licensed structural engineers told me that asymmetrical damage can not result in symmetrical collapse. Also, the girder connectors can not pull the WTC7 columns down.
Smug.mug prevaricates, "...The PM book lies on the second page of its introduction, where Sen. McCain claims that we "liberated" Afghanistan."
Still working on the difference between an opinion and a lie, Pinocchio?
Smug.mug continues to lie, "...It lies on the first page of its introduction when it says that evidence conclusively linked 9/11 to al Qaeda."
That's an unsubstantiated assertion, jackass. Care to substantiate that idiotic assertion with something other than your worthless opinion, Pinocchio?
Smug.mug continues to lie, "...It then proceeds to knock down a whole series of straw man arguments."
Again, that's an unsubstantiated assertion, jackass. List the alleged "straw man arguments" categorically, or STFU, Pinocchio.
Smug.mug prevaricates, "...I did seek professional help, paul. Professional licensed structural engineers told me that asymmetrical damage can not result in symmetrical collapse. Also, the girder connectors can not pull the WTC7 columns down."
Another pack of unsubstantiated assertions. Either provide your source(s) with the appropriate citations or STFU, Pinocchio.
"The PM book represents the rational side?"
Something with which you have only a passing aquaintence, that "rationality" thing.
We did liberate Afghanistan. And Iraq.
al Queda commited the 9/11 atrocities.
"It then proceeds to knock down a whole series of straw man arguments."
Only in your delusional so-called "mind", boron.
"How come the PM engineers are afraid to debate?"
There's nothing to debate.
"snug.bug said...
I did seek professional help, paul. Professional licensed structural engineers told me that asymmetrical damage can not result in symmetrical collapse. Also, the girder connectors can not pull the WTC7 columns down"
You do realize, do you not, that you are quite insane?
I don't care what anyone says.
I tend to believe the Bin Laden videos were faked. The videos of the patsy hijackers were faked. The phone calls from loved ones were faked....
Empty, remote controlled airplanes were flown into the towers.
The twin were then blown up with silent nano-thermites that nobody noticed being planted.
For good measure they also blew up WTC7 with the silent nano-thermites cause of all them super secret documents that were being stored in the building...
Then they decided to shoot off that missle in the daylight which hit the Pentagon.
That's what I believe anyways.
Five years from now, Brian will be telling us that Richard Gage and his structural engineers are strawmen, that nobody ever believed in them.
"They can't hold their own against real engineers like the 25 structural engineers with AE911Truth.org."
Really? So those real engineers are gonna have to face plumbers, landscapers, electricians, home maintainence crews, lawn care crews, tree removal crews, & sewage crews from the AE911Truth.org?!
Brian, tell us something, are you dense or what?
GutterBall, some opinions, such as many of those of Kevin Barrett and much of what you'll see on Fox News, are so self-serving and so reckless and so counterfactual that they are lies. Senator McCain's opinion on Afghanistan is one of these.
I'm not going to digest the PM book for you. Next time you're in the library (like maybe 2015 or so) you could devote ten hours or so to struggling through its 170 lightweight pages.
LL, oh so PM didn't knock down the straw men? You think they didn't debunk the pods, the windowless planes, the stand-down orders?
There's certainly something to debate: the inadequacy (dishonesty, incomplete nature, scientific invalidity, unacceptability) of the official reports of Ground Zero.
Pat, if PM distorts the views of Richard Gage as it distorts the issues in the "Debunking" book, yes, its characterization of Gage's case will be a straw man argument.
GutterBall, some opinions, such as many of those of Kevin Barrett and much of what you'll see on Fox News, are so self-serving and so reckless and so counterfactual that they are lies. Senator McCain's opinion on Afghanistan is one of these.
Yup, as are your opinions of what happened on 9/11. Completely reckless, self-serving, and counterfactual.
LL, oh so PM didn't knock down the straw men? You think they didn't debunk the pods, the windowless planes, the stand-down orders?
Ah, the "No True Scotsman" fallacy rears its head again. These views are no more loony that your "magic thermite elves" beliefs.
There's certainly something to debate: the inadequacy (dishonesty, incomplete nature, scientific invalidity, unacceptability) of the official reports of Ground Zero.
Stop lying, Brian.
Pat, if PM distorts the views of Richard Gage as it distorts the issues in the "Debunking" book, yes, its characterization of Gage's case will be a straw man argument.
Gage's views are just as insane as the "pod people" or "death ray beam" people's views.
"There's certainly something to debate: the inadequacy (dishonesty, incomplete nature, scientific invalidity, unacceptability) of the official reports of Ground Zero."
The only inadequacy is Brian doesn't have any evidence to counter the 9/11 Commission Report, aka Official Report.
He can talk all he wants about the official reports & badmouth the witnesses to his hearts content, but he should know when to quit being an airhead.
WAQo, the 9/11 Commission counters itself. Its chairmen wrote that they were "set up to fail". Its blatant dishonesty, the demonstrated 115 omissions and distortions, its crippled epistemology, its tolerance of Condi Rice's perjury, and the fact that it had to rewrite NORAD's lies into some semblance of a coherent fantasy are all indictments of the report.
You didn't prove your affiliation to FDNY, Wil. What is it?
WAQo, the 9/11 Commission counters itself. Its chairmen wrote that they were "set up to fail".
More quote mining. Brian, if you're going to be a deranged liar, you need to make your lies be less obvious.
Its blatant dishonesty, the demonstrated 115 omissions and distortions, its crippled epistemology, its tolerance of Condi Rice's perjury, and the fact that it had to rewrite NORAD's lies into some semblance of a coherent fantasy are all indictments of the report.
False.
"WAQo, the 9/11 Commission counters itself"
Brian,
No, it's because you can't read the whole Commission's report about 9/11.
"Its chairmen wrote that they were "set up to fail"."
You have no idea what he was talking about do you? Did you know he was talking about our Homeland Security & not the Report?! Of course you don't!
"You didn't prove your affiliation to FDNY, Wil. What is it?"
Are you dense or something Brian? I said I have a friend who's in the FDNY. Just because you don't have very many friends doesn't mean you can question me about my affiliation.
WAQo, you are very confused. Kean and Hamilton wrote in their book "Without Precendent" that the 9/11 Commission was "set up the fail".
So yesterday at 11:17 when you said "What would you say if I told you that I'm a FDNY firefighter?" you were only asking a question, you were not trying to imply that you're FDNY?
When you spoke at 10:52 of your "fellow brothers in arms, the FDNY"
and claimed that calling you a liar was calling them liars, you were not claiming you were FDNY?
You're a lying scumbag Wil Clark.
"WAQo, you are very confused. Kean and Hamilton wrote in their book "Without Precendent" that the 9/11 Commission was "set up the fail"."
Brian,
Are you confused that on Dec. 7, 1941 our intelligence was set up to fail @ Pearl Harbor?
"When you spoke at 10:52 of your "fellow brothers in arms, the FDNY"
and claimed that calling you a liar was calling them liars, you were not claiming you were FDNY?"
You'll never understand what brotherhood really means. That's just sad!
"You're a lying scumbag Wil Clark."
And you're a sex stalking asshole Brian Good.
BTW: I did e-mail Carol about you harassing her, asking if these alligations are true or not.
Did you tell her you're a lying scumbag?
Well what do you know Brian, Carol e-mailed me:
Here's what she had to say:
"Sadly, Brian used to be a friend. I ended the friendship when it was apparent to me that he would have liked to harmed my marriage. We have a difference of worldviews and we disagree on many issues and interpretations of reality. I try to avoid him whenever possible and do not answer his emails. He might not have perceived his actions towards me as "harassment" and he didn't assault me physically, but I didn't want or appreciation his attentions or his attacks on other people in the Truth Movement, or his suggestions/interpretations of my emotions/behavior, etc..."
continued....
continued....
"In his defense, I will say that last September 11th, when I organized a rally/march, two booths at the Power to the Peaceful Festival (which drew 70,000 people), and my organization, the Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance held two Film Festivals, and I was invited to speak on Satyagraha that evening at the Gandhi Statue (Satyagraha started on 9/11/1906 with Gandhi in South Africa opposed to the racist laws there), I actually phoned Brian the day before to ask for his help in transporting an awning, signs, literature, stuff for our booths to the Festival and back. He kindly pitched in and helped, and did not "harass me" at all."
continued.....
continued.....
"I do think he tries to be honest, but I'm afraid like the rest of humanity he has his own blind spots and misinterpretations of reality. I do agree with him 100% that the official 9/11 story as sold by Zelikow and the Commission are false and have been used to attack our rights, and launch wars, and construct a global police state. I can't imagine why anyone who looks into the facts would defend the official position. However there is not unanimity amongst the Truth Movement on what really did happen or on all the dozens of facets of 9/11."
continued....
continued....
"But I do hate arguing all the time- so I don't want to debate you or Brian- so please do not use this letter as a weapon against him and indirectly against me- because if you throw parts of it out of context at him, then I will be subject to more "email harassment"- since the guy apparently lives on his computer.
Carol Brouillet"
End!
Of course, I'm not using her letter as a "weapon". I just wanted everyone to read her side of the story.
Of course Brian will probably continue to e-mail Carol. Even though he lied about harassing her.
I didn't lie, WAQo.
Smug.mug whines, "...I'm not going to digest the PM book for you."
Translation from PetGoatSpeak: Brian is lying again.
And for your information, goat molester, I have a copy of PM in my home library.
Brian,
Carol said:
"I will be subject to more "email harassment"- since the guy apparently lives on his computer."
Liar!
Smug.mug prevaricates, "...I didn't lie, WAQo."
And you don't breath either. Right, Pinocchio?
WAQo, I didn't lie. Show where I lied.
GutterBall, I suspected that the Debunking book was in your library and that your demand that I catalog it for you was just a trick to waste my time. If you own it you can see for yourself its amazing dishonesty in going after stuff like pod theory and claiming that validates the official theory.
I think Brian Good has a hardon for me.
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
"WAQo, I didn't lie. Show where I lied."
Brian,
Taken from the "NIST did test explosive theory" thread:
"Snug-Bug,
I never attacked Carol and her husband, and commenting on people who were blown into 1/2" bits hardly shows that I don't care about them."
So what you call that you liar?
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WACo, I got after scumbags who lie about 9/11. That would be Philip Zelikow, Condi Rice, Kevin Barrett, Willie Rodriguez, Shyam Sunder, Craig Ranke, Rob Balsamo, and Wil Clark.
I said I didn't attack Carol or her husband, and I didn't. So where's the lie?
"I said I didn't attack Carol or her husband, and I didn't. So where's the lie?"
Brian,
Read very carefully about what Carol said:
"I will be subject to more "email harassment"- since the guy apparently lives on his computer."
She's talking about you e-mailing her & harassing her. If you don't get what she said then she has every right to file charges on you.
"WACo, I got after scumbags who lie about 9/11."
Brian,
Then you're the first scumbag that you should go after.
Telling the truth isn't "lying", it's making up bullshit claims about explosives being used that's the lying part.
"That would be Philip Zelikow, Condi Rice, Kevin Barrett, Willie Rodriguez, Shyam Sunder, Craig Ranke, Rob Balsamo, and Wil Clark."
Awe, how sweet, Brian put me on his stalker hit list.
Smug.mug whines, "...GutterBall, I suspected that the Debunking book was in your library and that your demand that I catalog it for you was just a trick to waste my time."
Wrong again, goat molester. My motive is simple: Categorically list the alleged "straw man arguments." Since you won't list them, it's safe to assume you're lying again.
Smug.mug whines, "...If you own it you can see for yourself its amazing dishonesty in going after stuff like pod theory and claiming that validates the official theory."
And that statement is proof positive that you couldn't pass a formal examination in elementary logic. The 9/11 "truth" movement is not limited to your narrow interpretation of the movement. In fact, you're cherry picking the "truth" movement in order to suit your nefarious agenda. FACT: There's no such thing as a "responsible truther."
Now go play in the freeway, goat molester.
WAQo, look at your own quote. Not "emailing her and harassing her" as you claim, but "email harassment". Big difference there, liar.
GutterBall, there are responsible truthers. I am one. I don't lie, I don't indulge in fantasy theories, I labor to take down bigots like Barrett and con artists like Willie and vicious turkeys like Ranke, I avoid risky speculations like the nanothermite paper until they're solid, and I stick to the facts.
Also, unlike you, I try to inform myself about the issue I am discussing instead of, like you, making up my facts.
I didn't molest that goat. She was all grown up, and quite grateful, actually.
"WAQo, look at your own quote. Not "emailing her and harassing her" as you claim, but "email harassment". Big difference there, liar."
Brian,
So you're telling me that my name's "Brian Good" & that I "harassed" Carol?
You've got no balls dude, none at all. You're not even a man for God sakes.
What gives you the right to harass & stalk women Brian? You think they owe you something?!
Smug.mug whines, "...GutterBall, there are responsible truthers. I am one. I don't lie, I don't indulge in fantasy theories, I labor to take down bigots like Barrett and con artists like Willie and vicious turkeys like Ranke, I avoid risky speculations like the nanothermite paper until they're solid, and I stick to the facts."
You mean "facts" (spelled f-a-c-t-s but pronounced bullshit) like "meatballs of a fork"?
LOL! Yeah, you're a veritable "fact" machine.
Smug.mug continues to whine, "...Also, unlike you, I try to inform myself about the issue I am discussing instead of, like you, making up my facts."
Yeah, you're a mountain of "facts," Inspector Clouseau. For example, in the goat molesters world, substances that are soluble in water at a ratio of 2.0 g/L @ 25 degrees C are "inert."
Care to impress us again with your World-class grasp of the "facts," goat molester?
I don't harass and stalk women, Wil. Whatever gave you that idea? Did Willie Rodriguez tell you that? Did he say that because I was exposing him as a liar and a fraud (like you) and the only possible way for him to distract from that (like you) was personal attack?
Let's talk about 9/11. I'm tired of all you groupies.
I think Brian's afraid of me, since I exposed him as being a liar for harassing Carol.
GutterBall, maybe you should let the National Gypsum company know that their claim that "Gypsum is an inert, safe mineral" is not true. Of course I don't expect them to take very seriously the claims of a washed up techie who thinks that a grasp of recursive logic is the epitome of intelligence.
"I don't harass and stalk women, Wil. Whatever gave you that idea?"
Brian,
When I started Googling "Brian Good 9/11" & found out that you harassed & stalked Carol.
"Did Willie Rodriguez tell you that? Did he say that because I was exposing him as a liar and a fraud (like you) and the only possible way for him to distract from that (like you) was personal attack?"
Willie told me nothing becuase I never contacted him. But your actions all over the internet have stirred them up enough to recongnize you for being an obnoxious Truther.
http://911scholars.ning.com/profile/BrianGood
Nice picture of you BTW Brian, I'm sure my FDNY friends will have no problem spotting your ugly mug.
WAQ, spare me your silly threats. Willie claimed he had an army of activists supporting him. It boiled down to him and his sock puppets, and now he's too demoralized to even pretend.
I am obnoxious when I need to be--to liars like Willie, and Ranke, and Barrett, and you. Somebody has to do it.
What you find on the internet is lies spread by lying scumbags, including Ian. It bothered me once. Now I consider it a tribute. Only fools like you believe it.
"I am obnoxious when I need to be--to liars like Willie, and Ranke, and Barrett, and you. Somebody has to do it."
Brian,
So you're admitting guilt that you have no evidence, what-so-ever about 9/11? Not even for explosives?!
"What you find on the internet is lies spread by lying scumbags."
So you're calling Carol a "scumbag" as well when you falsely stated that you never harassed her? Even though she said that you did when she testified it to me?!
Wil, I didn't lie.
I'm not going to discuss personal matters with a lying scumbag like you.
Smug.mug prevaricates, "...GutterBall, maybe you should let the National Gypsum company know that their claim that 'Gypsum is an inert, safe mineral' is not true."
Yeah, I'm washed up, Brian. That's why I'm in my mid 40s and make more money in a month than you make in half a year.
A few definitions:
Inert: adj having only a limited ability to react chemically
Soluble: adj capable of being dissolved, esp easily dissolved in some solvent, usually water
Teflon is inert. Helium, neon, argon, krypton, xenon and radon are inert.
Any substance that is soluble at a ratio of 2.0 g/L @ 25 degrees C is anything but inert.
Thus, we see that you're not only incapable of passing a formal examination in elementary logic, basic chemistry is beyond your feeble mind, too. Well, if nothing else, you still have arrogance, goat molester.
"Wil, I didn't lie.
I'm not going to discuss personal matters with a lying scumbag like you."
Brian,
Carol's statement says you are. Deal with it!
Well I am gonna discuss personal matters with ou, since it's the only real thing about you. All the other stuff you talk about is lies & made up BS.
Deal with it!
GutterBall, tell it to National Gypsum.
I wouldn't take your word for it that the ocean is wet.
Smug.mug prevaricates, "...I wouldn't take your word for it that the ocean is wet."
I'm not asking you to take my word, goat molester.
I gave you not one, but THREE sources that prove you're full-of-Cosmos (spelled C-o-s-m-o-s but pronounced shit).
I also supplied you with the definition of the words inert and soluble, and all you can respond with is a cheap, empty ad hominem attack on my character without the benefit of evidence to support the lies and double-talk you spew like a fire hose.
Face it, you're an arrogant douche-bag with all the credibility of Willie Rodriguez.
Deal with it, goat molester.
Ever since I started arguing with Brian, I think he's backtracked to where he originally was when he started out as a Truther.
I just love how he backpeddles like Alex Jones. Hilarious!
Brian Good is a pathetic, deranged psychopath.
He'd lie to his mother if he thought for one moment that he could derive some advantage from the lie.
GutterBall, your first source described solvation of calcium sulfate in concentrated salt solution. Since that clearly had nothing to do with Ground Zero I stopped right there.
National Gypsum says it's inert. I'm not interested in your bullshit.
Bill,
Did you ever take a look at his picture?:
http://911scholars.ning.com/profile/BrianGood
He looks like he's beyond deranged.
"concentrated salt solution."
The North Atlantic Ocean is right next door to Manhatten & it's salty.
Golly gee Brian, what'd ya know!
Smug.mug prevaricates, "...GutterBall, your first source described solvation of calcium sulfate in concentrated salt solution. Since that clearly had nothing to do with Ground Zero I stopped right there."
Wrong again, ass face. Clearly, you only took the time to read a quarter of the first page. I said "data sheet," which you'll find on page 3--you drooling idiot.
Smug.mug whines, "...National Gypsum says it's inert. I'm not interested in your bullshit."
You're misinterpreting National Gypsum's definition--which you quote mined.
Gypsum--you shameless liar--exhibits a retrograde solubility, becoming less soluble at higher temperatures. That doesn't make Gypsum inert.
Do yourself a favor, goat molester, and get an education beyond that GED you sport like a badge of "honor."
"...Did you ever take a look at his picture?"
Yeah, he looks like Christopher Lloyd with an ice cycle shoved up his ass.
"Yeah, he looks like Christopher Lloyd with an ice cycle shoved up his ass."
OMG, LMAO!
I think that's not the only thing shoved up his ass. Plutonium comes to mind from Back To The Future.
"I can't imagine why anyone who looks into the facts would defend the official position."
Carol Brouillet
And she reckons Brian has some blind spots!
Irony; another truther fail.
I think Brian's licking his wounds. He's not commenting on anything, atleast right now.
I'm sure he's gonna come back.
Chiggers don't wound.
I want to give that guy a beer for mentioning screw loose change.
"Chiggers don't wound."
Obviously you're wounded Brian. So quit being a baby!
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Thus spake Chiggerthustra!
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