Monday, January 31, 2011

Ryan's Rant

A journalist named Robert Parry recently described the Troofer obsession as a "parlor game"; an apt description indeed. Predictably, Waterboy Kevin Ryan goes off on a rant about how for Parry and others in the media, the Troof Movement is a parlor game. All of that is very much pro forma and not terribly interesting.

But then Ryan, warming to his topic, veers into cloud-cuckoo land about Uncle Fetzer. Now, to us debunkers, Jim Fetzer is just a typical idiot Troofer, spouting off the usual BS just like Richard Gage, Steven Jones and David Ray Griffin. Yes, Fetzer's a crank, but the difference is only in degree, not in type. Ah, but to the Waterboy, he's much more:

Fetzer suddenly appeared on the 9/11 truth scene in late 2005, immediately after the publication of a paper by physicist Steven Jones. At that time, Fetzer wrote to many prominent truth advocates, saying – “Steve Jones and I would like to invite you to join us as members of a new society.” Having been known for some dubious contributions to the JFK assassination research community, Fetzer used this new association with Jones to thrust himself into a position of superficial leadership in the truth movement.

Less than one year later, just before the 5th anniversary of the attacks when mainstream media attention was at its peak, Fetzer began speaking publicly about space beams destroying the WTC and other such nonsense. He continued with grandiose claims about theories which had no evidentiary support, as this excerpt from one of his radio shows indicates.


See, to Ryan, Fetzer suddenly started acting like a crazy person when he endorsed Judy Woods' beam weapons from space. And this proves that Fetzer was not crazy, he was deliberately sabotaging the Troof Movement.

Of course, to the rest of us, Fetzer didn't suddenly start acting like a crazy person around the fifth anniversary. He was a crazy person right from the moment he joined the Troofers (and probably well before).

But what I love is the next bit:

What would cause a PhD to say that an unsubstantiated claim of space beams destroying the WTC was “the most fascinating development in the history of the study of 9/11” and that it was “huge?” Why was this claim more fascinating or huge than all the research previously published by the likes of Michael Ruppert, Daniel Hopsicker, David Ray Griffin, Steve Jones, Nafeez Ahmed, Don Paul and Michel Chossudovsky?


Now, you know how it is; on the crazy scale, Fetzer and Wood have pinned the meter. But the rest of those guys are certainly in the red zone. And Hopsicker and Griffin? Hopsicker is the one who got Amanda Keller on tape talking endlessly about "Mohamed" without quite ever getting her to admit that her Mohamed was not surnamed Atta. And Grifter... even the Troofers have caught onto the fact that he's a goofball. Note in particular that Ryan gripes about two claims that Parry highlights as central to 9-11 Troof:

* “Operatives working for President Bush wired 100-plus floors of the WTC towers” with explosives
* “Truthers insist that no plane hit the Pentagon; that Bush’s team attacked it with a missile.”


But on the first one Ryan can only quibble that he and Jones and others don't necessarily believe Bush was behind it. He ignores the second claim, but his respected researcher David Ray Griffin was still pushing that theory as late as 2007 (and will probably start pushing it again, the way he keeps recycling his debunked nonsense from years ago).

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74 Comments:

At 31 January, 2011 12:36, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

Hey, want to talk about crazy, A 30 story building in Brazil fell into it's own footprint and all without the aid of explosives, let alone being hit by a passenger jet and being set on fire.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12317450

 
At 31 January, 2011 16:14, Blogger Triterope said...

Fetzer had a response to the "Parlor Game" article too:

http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2011/01/911-truth-is-no-parlor-game.html

 
At 31 January, 2011 16:26, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

Man the snappy comebacks keep on coming:

"No, YOU'RE A PARLOR GAME!"

We stand corrected...not.

 
At 31 January, 2011 16:28, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

Dave, it was obviously another strike by that space beam. Fear of the Death Star will keep the colonies in line...well that and the attack baboons.

 
At 31 January, 2011 16:34, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

OT: If you haven't seen it yet, here's Jon Gold chaining himself to the White House fence and ranting incoherently to the general disinterest of passersby. (Actually he used handcuffs, no doubt with the key in his pocket in case he got hungry.)

This must have raised 9/11 Truth awareness by, whaddya think, 0.0000000001%?

 
At 31 January, 2011 16:54, Blogger snug.bug said...

So DK, where's your evidence that it fell straight into its footprint?

Why do your make such unscientific claims?

 
At 31 January, 2011 16:57, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Don't respond to the goat molester. He's trying to hijack the thread with off-topic nonsense.

 
At 31 January, 2011 17:00, Blogger Ian G. said...

RGT, It's hard not to contrast Jon Gold's stupidity with the events in Egypt.

Over there, we have real courage in a real mass movement against real corruption and tyranny.

Here we have a single fat guy yelling about a nonsensical conspiracy theory.

 
At 31 January, 2011 17:32, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

"Don't respond to the goat molester. He's trying to hijack the thread with off-topic nonsense."

Guess the idiot didn't take the time to look at the pictures. Par for the course for the retard janitor.

 
At 31 January, 2011 17:53, Blogger snug.bug said...

DK, there's only one picture and it looks more like something that toppled than something that fell in its footprint. That's why I asked.

Why do you make such unscientific assumptions?

GutterBall, I didn't bring up the Belem collapse, DK did. I see what you're trying to do here, establish by repetition the bogus claim that I am disrupting the threads. You're just peevish because you've made such a fool of yourself with your inability to cite any independent engineer who will endorse the NCSTAR reports, and trying to cover it up by discussing a completely different report, the NISTIR report.

 
At 31 January, 2011 17:58, Blogger GuitarBill said...

It doesn't matter who brought the building collapse up, stupid ass.

Dave was making a suggestion for a future SLC thread--nothing more, nothing less.

This is not the appropriate time or forum to discuss Dave's suggestion for a new thread.

Who do you think you're fooling, goat fucker? Your motives are as transparent as they are dishonest and underhanded.

Now, go play in the freeway, goat fucker.

 
At 31 January, 2011 20:04, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat molester pounds his scrawny chest, "...You're just peevish because you've made such a fool of yourself with your inability to cite any independent engineer who will endorse the NCSTAR reports, and trying to cover it up by discussing a completely different report, the NISTIR report."

Oh, fuck you, goat molester.

Don't mistake my refusal to deal with your lies as capitulation--you brain-dead monkey.

In fact, your entire counter argument is based upon an idiotic and dishonest premise that's easily proven false: You're trying to convince us that the National Fire Protection Association, American Society of Mechanical Engineers, ASTM International, American Society of Civil Engineers, the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat and academia would adopt recommendations from the NIST Report that significantly increase the cost of finishing a project with no justification from a report that's based on allegedly erroneous conclusions.

ROTFLMAO!

Obviously, you're not an engineer. Well, I'm here to tell you that as an engineer I can say with confidence that the engineering community, to say nothing of the aforementioned engineering associations, would never adopt the recommendations from a report that dramatically increased the cost of completing a project without ample justification. To claim, moreover, that the engineering community would adopt recommendations from a report based on erroneous conclusions is so idiotic that your idea's don't merit a response.

The idiotic counter arguments you toss around like monkey scat become more unhinged with every passing day--you retard.

Don't quit your day job flippin' hamburgers--you pathetic cretin.

Now, stop trying to hijack the thread--you douche bag.

 
At 31 January, 2011 20:50, Blogger snug.bug said...

GutterBall, what you're trying to ignore is that the recommendations of the NISTIR report have nothing to do with the fraudulent conclusions of the NCSTAR report.

 
At 31 January, 2011 20:55, Blogger Ian G. said...

GutterBall, what you're trying to ignore is that the recommendations of the NISTIR report have nothing to do with the fraudulent conclusions of the NCSTAR report.

Brian, your irrational beliefs go a long way in explaining why you're so confused about 9/11. Maybe a few community college courses would help you to learn how to think. You make up your facts.

 
At 31 January, 2011 21:06, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat molester lies through his rotten, terracotta teeth, "...GutterBall, what you're trying to ignore is that the recommendations of the NISTIR report have nothing to do with the fraudulent conclusions of the NCSTAR report."

Still trying to hijack the thread with bald-faced lies, goat molester?

You're every bit as contemptible as Corey Rowe.

 
At 31 January, 2011 23:30, Blogger snug.bug said...

You'll have to do better than that if you want to hurt my feelings.

 
At 01 February, 2011 07:42, Blogger Ian G. said...

You'll have to do better than that if you want to hurt my feelings.

Nobody cares.

 
At 01 February, 2011 09:34, Blogger snug.bug said...

You can always count an Ian for a healthy stream of dumbspam.

 
At 01 February, 2011 10:04, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

"You'll have to do better than that if you want to hurt my feelings."

Thats is true, People with Aspergers are often emotionally detached. And often focussed on one unimportant ideas like 9/11 Truth.

And Brian if your were not so devoid of average intelligence you could find many pictures of the Brazilian collapse, a nice pile of debris that you would say only could come from a controlled demolition.

 
At 01 February, 2011 10:38, Blogger Ian G. said...

You can always count an Ian for a healthy stream of dumbspam.

Where did you get the idea that I'm spamming you? Did Willie Rodriguez tell you that?

 
At 01 February, 2011 17:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

DK, I'm a skilled googler and I can only find two images, neither very useful. I think you're lying.

 
At 01 February, 2011 17:42, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat molester whines, "...DK, I'm a skilled googler...[blah][blah][blah]."

You couldn't "google" your way out of a wet a paper bag.

On the contrary, you're an internet troll.

 
At 01 February, 2011 18:12, Blogger snug.bug said...

DK, both RTT news and the Latin American Herald Tribune say adjacent buildings were damaged.

http://www.rttnews.com/ArticleView.aspx?Id=1539244

http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=385500&CategoryId=14090

So I guess your notion that it fell down in its own footprint was just something you made up.

 
At 01 February, 2011 18:34, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Is that anything like the fabricated and false claim you constantly repeat that says the World Trade Center Towers "fell into their own footprint"?

Go play in the freeway, goat fucker.

 
At 01 February, 2011 18:39, Blogger snug.bug said...

GutterBall, when did I ever say that the towers fell in their own footprints? Why would I say such a stupid thing?

 
At 01 February, 2011 19:06, Blogger GuitarBill said...

If that's true, and the claim has no significance, why are you bringing it up?

How many times must I repeat myself?

You have no credibility, goat fucker.

Now, stop trying to hijack the thread--you degenerate.

 
At 01 February, 2011 19:10, Blogger snug.bug said...

I'm bringing up the fact that DK has made two unsubstantiated claims:

1. that the Belem tower fell in its footprint

and

2. that there are many pictures of this on the internet.

DK provides no evidence for these claims, and I have cited news reports from RTT and LAHT that cite damage to adjacent buildings that seems to indicate that DK's claim is not true.

 
At 01 February, 2011 19:57, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Get it through your thick skull, goat fucker. The subject is off-topic.

Now, stop trying to hijack the thread, and go play in the middle of US Highway 101.

 
At 01 February, 2011 21:03, Blogger Ian G. said...

I have cited news reports from RTT and LAHT that cite damage to adjacent buildings that seems to indicate that DK's claim is not true.

So damage to adjacent buildings indicates a skyscraper didn't fall into its own footprint? Hmm. Well, there was the Deutsche Bank Building that was so heavily damaged it had to be taken down. And there was heavy damage to the Verizon Building, the 3 WFC buildings, 1 Liberty Plaza, etc.

Oh yeah, 7 WTC collapsed too.

So Brian, can you tell the other truthers what horseshit their claim about "fell into its own footprint" is? Thanks.

 
At 01 February, 2011 21:31, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

DK, I'm a skilled googler and I can only find two images, neither very useful. I think you're lying.

Well like everything else you do I is not very good.

Took me all do 3 minutes to find this

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_B83gI-b0bMI/TUSAvwgqwbI/AAAAAAAABbI/BE0q8iorOGg/s1600/232789326.jpg

and this

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/4592/ogaaalq5ujxdshlu7vivzjl.jpg

Looks a lot like the WTC just neater.

 
At 01 February, 2011 22:13, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, Richard Gage has for years been trying to tell truthers that the towers didn't fall into their footprints--that they were explosions rather than implosions.

DK, would you mind providing your google search terms for those? I'm not going to those urls directly.

 
At 01 February, 2011 22:37, Blogger Ian G. said...

Ian, Richard Gage has for years been trying to tell truthers that the towers didn't fall into their footprints--that they were explosions rather than implosions.

Who cares? Richard Gage is a fraud and liar just as much as Jim Fetzer.

 
At 01 February, 2011 22:43, Blogger snug.bug said...

Yeah? What did Gage lie about?

 
At 02 February, 2011 04:36, Blogger Triterope said...

DK, would you mind providing your google search terms for those? I'm not going to those urls directly.

That's just... wow.

 
At 02 February, 2011 07:19, Blogger Ian G. said...

Yeah? What did Gage lie about?

Everything. Learn to Google.

 
At 02 February, 2011 11:04, Blogger snug.bug said...

TR, I once had two computers knocked out of action in four hours.

Ian, that's about what I expected from you. Do you remember this one?

"Every person has their faults,
but you have only two--
Everything you say
and everything you do."

 
At 02 February, 2011 11:47, Blogger Ian G. said...

Ian, that's about what I expected from you.

So you can't name one thing Gage has been truthful about, huh Brian?

 
At 02 February, 2011 13:57, Blogger anonymous said...

Triterope said...

Fetzer had a response to the "Parlor Game" article too:

http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2011/01/911-truth-is-no-parlor-game.html


tl,dr

 
At 02 February, 2011 15:42, Blogger Triterope said...

TR, I once had two computers knocked out of action in four hours.

Take the hint.

 
At 02 February, 2011 16:40, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat molester whines, "...TR, I once had two computers knocked out of action in four hours."

That's because you're as stupid as you are incompetent, goat molester.

First of all, numb nuts, don't run Micro$oft IE. It's a piece of crap that provides ZERO security.

Second, run Firefox and install the following security Add-ons: [1] Adblock Plus; [2] BetterPrivacy; [3] NoScript; and [4] WOT (WebOfTrust).

That's why I make the big bucks, and you're a failed janitor, sex stalker and all purpose cretin.

You're welcome, goat molester.

 
At 02 February, 2011 16:47, Blogger snug.bug said...

GutterBall, do you get paid big bucks to make inaccurate and unjustified assumptions?

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:00, Blogger GuitarBill said...

No, I get paid the big bucks because I'm worth it.

The proof that you're an idiot is made manifest by your own words: "...I once had two computers knocked out of action in four hours."

If you "google" as well as you "secure" your desktop, I think it's safe to say that you couldn't find your ass with a hunting dog and a compass.

 
At 02 February, 2011 20:33, Blogger snug.bug said...

I secure my desktop just fine. The issue that was that in the course of internet debate people who know my ip address lured me into visiting proprietary websites. I doubt that ordinary security measures would have helped under those circumstances. Someone who seemed an awful lot like William Rodriguez once bragged that he had a team of Norwegian hackers out to get me.

 
At 02 February, 2011 22:31, Blogger Ian G. said...

Hey Brian, did you see your shadow today? I'm just curious.

I'm assuming you named yourself "punxsutawneybarney" after the groundhog.

 
At 03 February, 2011 16:37, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat molester prevaricates, "...I secure my desktop just fine."

You do?

Really? No kidding?

Then perhaps you can explain why you experienced "two computers knocked out of action in four hours"?

That doesn't sound to me like you're anything near proficient at desktop security. In fact, by your own account, you're abysmal at desktop security.

 
At 03 February, 2011 23:05, Blogger snug.bug said...

GutterBall, nobody's security is bulletproof, anybody who claims it is a fool, and I have added and unusual complications in my network environment.

 
At 03 February, 2011 23:38, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Straw man argument.

When did I claim that any security scheme is "bulletproof"--you fucking idiot?

On the other hand, "two computers knocked out of action in four hours" is proof positive that you're an incompetent fucktard.

Tell us more about your alleged "google" skills (as though that inanity proves anything)--you droolin' computer illiterate.

 
At 04 February, 2011 12:01, Blogger Triterope said...

Someone who seemed an awful lot like William Rodriguez once bragged that he had a team of Norwegian hackers out to get me.

That's it. You're officially nuts. All this time I thought you might just be an eccentric, but that sentence seals it. You are, in the most literal sense of the word, insane.

 
At 04 February, 2011 18:09, Blogger paul w said...

"...Norwegian hackers out to get me...

Yes, the alarm bells ring.

Loudly.

Erm, why Norwegians, Brian?

 
At 05 February, 2011 09:58, Blogger snug.bug said...

GutterBall, my google skills are good enough to quickly demolish your claims that independent engineers have endorsed the NIST report, and apparently your skills are not good enough to support those claims.

TR, how is it nuts to think that Willie Rodriguez might want to cripple my computer capability? He seems to think that everyone on in internet who knows he's a liar is me.

Paulw, why Norwegian? How would I know? Ask Willie. Maybe they volunteered. Why wouldn't Norwegians be skilled hackers? Long dark winters keep them indoors. What should they do, knit sweaters?

 
At 05 February, 2011 12:26, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...GutterBall, my google skills are good enough to quickly demolish your claims that independent engineers have endorsed the NIST report, and apparently your skills are not good enough to support those claims."

You haven't "demolished" anything, liar.

In fact, you've never presented one hyperlink to substantiate your assertions. All you've done is try to change the meaning of well-defined words and terms, while offering not one iota of evidence from a credible source to substantiate the lies you spew like a fire hose.

You couldn't "google" your way out of a wet paper bag. You're a liar and a retard.

 
At 05 February, 2011 12:35, Blogger Ian G. said...

Paulw, why Norwegian? How would I know? Ask Willie. Maybe they volunteered. Why wouldn't Norwegians be skilled hackers? Long dark winters keep them indoors. What should they do, knit sweaters?

Are you sure it wasn't specially trained baboons who hacked your computer?

 
At 05 February, 2011 13:32, Blogger GuitarBill said...

So goat molester, when will you call Dr. Harris to confirm that he's an independent engineer who has never been paid one red cent by NIST?

Phone: (303) 860-9021

And your continued refusal to call Dr. Harris is all the evidence I need to demonstrate that you're a liar, goat molester.

So much for your lies about Dr. Harris' alleged "conflict of interest." You wouldn't know a "conflict of interest" if it jumped up and bit you on your infected ass--you lying, tertiary syphilis infected homo.

 
At 05 February, 2011 17:45, Blogger snug.bug said...

GutterBall, I provided the links. All you have to do is copy and paste them.

The meaning of the term "independent" is well known in the context of conflict of interest, and if were anything near the professional you claim to be, you would know this.

Ian, I try not to be sure about anything. You are certainly opening my eyes to the capabilities of trained baboons--your own prowess being a case in point. Quite impressive for a baboon.

GutterBall, as I showed, Dr. Harris was was appointed to a prestigious committee by NIST.
He was also, as I have shown, co-author of a report with a NIST employee (L. T. Phan) that was published by NIST.

There's no reason I need to call Dr. Harris. His conflicts are obvious and his opinions are not independent.

 
At 05 February, 2011 18:45, Blogger Triterope said...

TR, how is it nuts to think that Willie Rodriguez might want to cripple my computer capability?

Well, let's see. One, that he even knows who you are. Two, that he gives a shit what you do. Three, that he'd even want to stop you, since the entire Truth movement hates you, and might view your denouncement as a positive. Four, that damaging your personal computer would deter you in any way, since you apparently have unlimited time and resources to pursue your little crusade. Five, he's an unemployed janitor and no longer in demand as a speaker. Hackers, Norwegian or otherwise, are expensive. Six, that any of the above is worth the risk of being caught. Seven, you're a Grade A moron and your "hacking" could be an incredibly simple problem you're too dumb to figure out and too proud to call tech support for.

That's just off the top of my head.

He seems to think that everyone on in internet who knows he's a liar is me.

Everyone on the internet who knows Willie Rodriguez is a liar IS you. Everybody else doesn't care, or doesn't need to drag it into every single conversation.

 
At 05 February, 2011 18:53, Blogger snug.bug said...

TR, Willie knows who I am. He threatened to cancel his Bay Area appearance in 2007 rather than answer my questions, and he threatened to fly a film crew to San Francisco to confront and embarrass me.

Hackers are not expensive if they are volunteers.

 
At 05 February, 2011 22:49, Blogger Ian G. said...

Nobody cares about Willie Rodriguez but you, Brian, because you're an obsessed lunatic who is probably upset that he didn't follow through with his promise to pay for your sex change operation.

 
At 06 February, 2011 08:07, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, TR cared enough about Willie to write a couple of hundred words about him. Willie is appearing at the Freedom Law School soon, so they seem to care.

 
At 06 February, 2011 08:29, Blogger Ian G. said...

Ian, TR cared enough about Willie to write a couple of hundred words about him. Willie is appearing at the Freedom Law School soon, so they seem to care.

False. Nobody cares, petgoat. You care because you love him and will never forgive him for rejecting you.

Willie doesn't like to date failed janitors. Why don't you try shacking up with Laurie Van Auken? She's a liar just like you.

 
At 06 February, 2011 08:40, Blogger Triterope said...

TR, Willie knows who I am. He threatened to cancel his Bay Area appearance in 2007 rather than answer my questions, and he threatened to fly a film crew to San Francisco to confront and embarrass me.

So all this is about empty threats from four years ago?

Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo!

 
At 06 February, 2011 08:45, Blogger snug.bug said...

No, TR, it's not about four years ago. It's about Willie R fighting for his "professional" life as a truth activist--and losing. He's toast. Freedom Law School is his first gig in over a year. His most recent gig, in Jersey City, attracted maybe 40 people even though Daniel Sunjata was the real draw.

 
At 06 February, 2011 08:45, Blogger Triterope said...

TR cared enough about Willie to write a couple of hundred words about him.

Actually, it was 129 words, of which 54 were explicitly about you.

 
At 06 February, 2011 08:48, Blogger Ian G. said...

No, TR, it's not about four years ago. It's about Willie R fighting for his "professional" life as a truth activist--and losing. He's toast. Freedom Law School is his first gig in over a year. His most recent gig, in Jersey City, attracted maybe 40 people even though Daniel Sunjata was the real draw.

Right, because 9/11 truth is dead. Nobody cares about Willie or anything else having to do with this ridiculous little cult of yours.

Become a "birther", Brian. It's the new, hip deranged conspiracy theory. A lot more people believe it than do 9/11 truth.

 
At 06 February, 2011 08:48, Blogger Triterope said...

It's about Willie R fighting for his "professional" life as a truth activist--and losing. He's toast.

Yes, that's what I said earlier. What does any of this have to do with you?

 
At 06 February, 2011 08:48, Blogger snug.bug said...

It was 164 without the quotes. With the quotes it was 197 words. You can't even lie competently.

 
At 06 February, 2011 08:53, Blogger Ian G. said...

It was 164 without the quotes. With the quotes it was 197 words. You can't even lie competently.

Says the liar who claims that "widows" have questions. HA HA HA!

 
At 06 February, 2011 08:57, Blogger Triterope said...

It was 164 without the quotes. With the quotes it was 197 words. You can't even lie competently.

Sorry, I only counted the first paragraph. My mistake. In light of this horrific error, I hereby amend my earlier statement as follows:

Actually, it was 164 words, of which 81 were explicitly about you.

Doesn't really change anything.

 
At 06 February, 2011 09:14, Blogger snug.bug said...

No, it doesn't change anything. Ian lies and lies and lies, nothing new there.

 
At 06 February, 2011 09:30, Blogger Triterope said...

Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo!

 
At 06 February, 2011 09:37, Blogger snug.bug said...

I know you are, but what am I?

 
At 06 February, 2011 09:56, Blogger Triterope said...

Ironically, this thread was once about 9-11 Truth being a parlor game.

 
At 06 February, 2011 10:10, Blogger snug.bug said...

Right, but some people around here can't resist their wishes to make every thread about me.

 
At 06 February, 2011 22:05, Blogger Ian G. said...

Right, but some people around here can't resist their wishes to make every thread about me.

What else are we going to do? You're pretty much the last truther true believer, and you never stop posting your nonsense here, so we're going to point and laugh at you.

 
At 06 February, 2011 23:09, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...GutterBall, I provided the links. All you have to do is copy and paste them."

The links you provide don't prove anything--with the exception of the boundless dishonesty that drips from every post you make to this forum.

"...The meaning of the term "independent" is well known in the context of conflict of interest, and if were anything near the professional you claim to be, you would know this."

Then why do you change the meaning of the word and apply it to engineers who don't work for NIST, were never compensated by NIST, and are clearly listed as "independent contractors" by NIST?

"...GutterBall, as I showed, Dr. Harris was was appointed to a prestigious committee by NIST.
He was also, as I have shown, co-author of a report with a NIST employee (L. T. Phan) that was published by NIST."


An unpaid position on a NIST committee doesn't prove a conflict of interest, any more than authorship of a paper proves conflict of interest.

"...There's no reason I need to call Dr. Harris. His conflicts are obvious and his opinions are not independent."

According to whom? A failed janitor, sex stalker, and proven compulsive liar with no credibility whatsoever? You'll have to do better than that, Pinocchio.

 

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