About "They Hate Our Freedoms"
This is not a topic I generally cover, but I did think it was worth talking about. Former President Bush, in an address to a joint session of Congress, noted:
Americans are asking, why do they hate us? They hate what we see right here in this chamber -- a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms -- our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.
It is safe to say that there are probably a fair number of non-conspiracy theorists who disagree with Bush's formulation. Over at Truth Action, in a fairly good post, JimD3100 says:
We were not attacked on 9-11 because some retards hated our freedom. They hated our government and what it does. They were also brainwashed by religion. Frankly whatever your reason is for wanting to park a passenger jet into a skyscraper---it aint good enough. There is no reason good enough to do that. But how about some reality? Israel was founded by terrorists. It worked. Israel itself is proof, to the terrorists, that terrorism might work. And Israel is proud of their terrorists past (and some say present).....
But gosh Jimd3100Stein you're starting to sound anti-Semitic! No I'm not calling for the destruction of Israel, what I'm saying is ground zero on "the war on terror" is not lower Manhattan it's the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and it's about time someone said so. We were not attacked because "they hate our freedoms" we were attacked because of our governments inference in the internal affairs of other countries and our governments unwavering support for Israel no matter what it does.
There are a lot of Truthers and even non-Truthers who would like to reduce the terrorism to nothing more than our support for Israel. But in the fatwa that Osama Bin Laden pronounced against the United States, support for Israel was only third on the list of grievances. The number one reason was the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia, where they had been since the first Persian Gulf War. Number two consisted of the sanctions against Iraq that had been in place following that war.
But I would like to return to the freedoms issue, because I think that is definitely a major key. Bush phrased it badly, with "They hate our freedoms -- our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other."
Those are the basic building blocks of our freedom, but let's talk about some more. Let's talk about the freedom of our women to participate freely in our society as equals with men. Maybe it's not perfect, maybe it was a lot less perfect in the past. But is there any real doubt that it's better than in, say, Saudi Arabia? Or in Afghanistan during the Taliban?
Remember, Mohamed Atta's will? Yeah, it was a bit goofy when he talked about how his genitals should be washed, but what about this part:
5. I don't want a pregnant woman or a person who is not clean to come and say good-bye to me because I don't approve it.
And:
11. I don't want any women to go to my grave at all during my funeral or on any occasion thereafter.
Remember that the type of rule the Islamo-fascists would like to institute everywhere already exists in one country: Iran. A country which, coincidentally, no doubt, leads the world in deaths by stoning:
Death by stoning came into use in Iran after the 1979 revolution.
Iranian protest outside Iran's embassy in Ankara, Turkey, 9 July The case has sparked an international outcry
Amnesty International says that at least eight people were stoned to death in 1986.
Homosexuals? Although Iran's President and 9-11 Truther Ahmadinejad claimed there are none in Iran, they do exist and their situation is even more dire:
Sodomy (lavat) is a crime for which both partners can be punished by death. If the participants are adults, of sound mind and consenting; the method of execution is for the judge to decide. If one person is non-consenting (ex. a rape), the punishment would only apply to the rapist. A non-adult who engages in consensual sodomy is subject to a punishment of 74 lashes.
So maybe Bush phrased it poorly. But do they hate us for our freedoms? Yep.
posted by Pat @ 9:28 AM
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87 Comments:
If he's talling about Truthers in general, then yes they hate us.
The Islamic Brotherhood is the grandfather of militant Islam, and their hatred of the west predates Israel by twenty years.
While US support of Israel wasn't the only motivation for 9/11, it was a prominent one and remains a primary jihadi recruitment justification today.
Yes, it is true that too many critics of Israel are anti-semetic cranks but that shouldn't obscure the fact that our support of Israel comes a significant cost.
Our support of Europe and England came at a significant cost during WW2.
A lot of people are starting to realize Islam is a very backward religion, as are all religions, but Islam and the fundamentalist brand are particularly dangerous.
I don't think Bush phrased it poorly; I think he got it exactly right, though he was simplifying a bit. The Islamic world is taught that Islam is the one true way to truth and power. The fundamentalists believe that all other religions are false and an affront to Allah, and that democracy and "decadent" western values are evil. Yet, when they look around them, they see Islamic nations in dismal poverty and stagnation, while the evil westerners live comfortable, glamorous lives, full of happiness and success. They see their countrymen begging for a chance to leave their particular shithole so they can try and make a better life for themselves in the west. How could they NOT hate us? We are a testament to the fact that their beliefs are false. They either have to overcome the indoctrination of their childhood in the midst of an oppressive theocracy, or they have to find other ways to explain our success. If you think the truthers are bad, you haven't seen the conspiracy theorists in the Muslim world. The only way they can explain our wealth and their own stagnation is by believing that WE are the cause of their failures - that we've been plotting and scheming and stealing from them, and that the only way they can ever reclaim their rightful place as the chosen people of Allah is by obliterating or converting us.
So yeah, I'd say bush got it exactly right.
I think the comments by Bush were something of an over-simplification, but true enough.
Ultimately, there are probably a number of reasons 'they' hate us, but I figure if 'they' are fundamentalists, whether Muslim or Christian, then the main one is that they are really, really gonna hate the fact that we live very different lives to the ones they think we should, and especially so if they believe it’s a life arranged by a god.
Add to that, the US support of Israel, the Israel/Palestine conflict, the intervention of Western countries in the Middle East over the past 100 years (and more), a general dislike of the US in the Middle East, and a plethora of other issues, and you have an ample list of evils to impress any youthful, but corruptible, mind.
"there are probably a fair number of non-conspiracy theorists who disagree with Bush's formulation."
Disagreeing with Bush's idiotic reasoning makes you a conspiracy theorist :-D. Oh, I forgot, you already were a conspiracy theorist, you postulate some guys with boxcutters conspired with a guy in a cave to attack America so they could attain virgins in cloud-land. Makes perfect sense!
Yeah, some goofballs hanging out in caves decided to embark on a suicide mission of incredible magnitude because they noticed that our women weren't wearing hijab and because we're allowed to vote for whichever Zionist-puppet we want in the White House to inflict carnage on Israel's enemies using our taxpayer dollars. What a laugh!
They would have just attacked the much easier/closer target: Israel. The reason America was attacked successfully was because Zionists did the attacking:
http://thezionistperil.blogspot.com/p/israel-did-911-all-proof.html
paul w wrote:
"I think the comments by Bush were something of an over-simplification, but true enough."
No, I think Bush's Jewish-Zionist speechwriter, David Frum, is an unimaginative idiot. Quite a conspiracy theory he came up with there. :-D
Al Qaeda wasn't living in caves. Some of their Afghan camps were nicer than Ft. Benning.
Afghanistan has never been a threat to Israel.
If it was a Zionist plot then why weren't the 9/11 hijackers Iranian? Syrian? Palestinian?
Israel is a hardened target, that's why the US was a much easier target. Attacking Israel has consequences. I wish AQ had struck Israel because they would have destroyed them long ago.
Also, just say Jews, the only thing worse than an anti-Semite is a dishonest anti- Semite.
M Gregory Ferris writes:
If it was a Zionist plot then why weren't the 9/11 hijackers Iranian? Syrian? Palestinian?
Very simple. Al Qaeda and Bin Laden were already known to the American public because they were blamed for previous assaults on American targets. If they tried to blame 911 on some unheard-of Iraqi group, or Palestinian group, it just wouldn't be a feasible sell to the American people. The Zionist Jews had already set up Bin Laden and his group (if it even existed) as the Orwellian Bogeyman for Americans to be afraid of and hate. Secondly, it also had to do with availability. several of these 19 patsies appear to have been intelligence assets and were thus easier to frame for the act. The process is called "sheep dipping." It's where you have one of your assets that you control have him embark on a mission but only give him small objectives and don't inform him of the overall plot. It's designed to incriminate the individual without him/her knowing they are being framed. Like the CIA did with Oswald, first sending him to the Soviet Union to set-up this back-story about him being a "Communist" so the CIA/Mossad could pin the JFK assassination on the Soviets.
btw the Mossad did try to frame Palestinians for an attempted bombing of the George Washington Bridge on 911. And how could we forget the Jew-media re-running that "dancing Palestinians" clip while completely ignoring the fact the five dancing israelis. The Zionist anti-Arab MO that day was so clear.
http://thezionistperil.blogspot.com/2011/06/israeli-idf-sent-into-palestine.html
Also see this: http://thezionistperil.blogspot.com/2011/06/zionist-jews-planned-911-to-ignite-of.html
M Gregory Ferris writes:
"Israel is a hardened target, that's why the US was a much easier target. Attacking Israel has consequences."
Nonsense. The US was spending $350 billion on defense in 2001. Israel has a much smaller/less sophisticated defense apparatus then America, obviously. Israel is the much easier target and CLOSER target. No overseas trip necessary. How did these guys all manage to get into the country and evade authorities for years planning this thing? We have 20 intelligence agencies and nobody saw this coming? Bullshit.
You say there were consequences if they attacked Israel? Uhhh, Arabs have been getting bombed for a decade now because of 911. If they were brilliant enough to pull off 911 surely they would have known the terrible response it would invoke. It was an attack done by Zionist Jews and their helpers. The fact that none of these big terror attacks hit Israel is because Israel is the one behind them. They are designed to draw Westerners into wars against Israel's Arab enemies as always. It's so obvious.
King david hotel bombing, Lavon Affair, USS Liberty, Operation Trojan, etc. Israel is making billions off this "counter-terrorism" cottage industry spawned from 9/11. They do the terror, then sell you "counter-terrorism" services. Typical Jewish swindle.
Wake up, retard.
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Typical Jewish swindle
Typical anti-Semite jerk.
OT:
This was/is one of the truther smoking guns; why did bush continue to read to the kids when told of 9/11?
http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/07/29/george_w_bush_9_11_national_geographic_interview_former_presiden.html
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It's in the latest Slate:
http://www.slate.com/
paul w, are you a Yiddite and are thus scurrying to cover up the facts of your brethren's involvement in 9/11 and other zionist terror spectacles?
"Antisemitism: It's a trick we always use it!" - Jew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE
"Nonsense. The US was spending $350 billion on defense in 2001."
So? America didn't (and still doesn't) take national security seriously on any level. Israel in on guard 24/7 at a level we would have a hard time matching even if we wanted to.
"Israel has a much smaller/less sophisticated defense apparatus then America, obviously."
'Cuz Israel is smaller than the US. Their defence is much better intergrated with their intelligence than ours. Because most Israelis are also Arab they have a broader access to Arab terror organizations, and their plans. They are also proactive in dealing with threats long before they develope. The greased that asshole from Hamas in January in 2010 at a hotel in Dubai, and they have a long list of dead terror threats killed before they acted.
The US does not. Even the goons we liquidate in Afghanistan and Pakistan are targeted after the fact.
"How did these guys all manage to get into the country and evade authorities for years planning this thing? "
We have a foriegn policy in the Middle East that was pretty much written by the Saudis and Big Oil. This has resulted in Visas being handed out to Middle Eastern men like popcorn. When Customs Agent Jose Melendez-Perez denied entry to Mohammed Qahtani in August, 2001, he took heat from his fellow agents because the unwritten rule was to let guys like him in.
Also, because of America's ongoing problem with racist assholes the Al Qaeda guys taking flight training didn't get a closer look because they didn't want to be brought up on charges of racial profiling. American Airlines had memos hanging in the employee breakrooms warning against racial profiling, and the trouble those accused would face.
"We have 20 intelligence agencies and nobody saw this coming? Bullshit."
Actually, a few of the Agencies saw something coming, they just didn't know what. One of the biggest problems that the US had in 2001 was we had 20 intelligence agencies. None of them talked to eachother consistantly. In the late 1990s the FBI was investigating the CIA which created friction between the two point agencies in charge of catching foriegn terrorists. Still the State Department issues a travel advisory in early July, 2001, warning of plans by Al Qaeda to hijack passenger jets. The warning was targeted for travel in the Middle East, and it expired September 1, 2001. So somebody knew, and somebody issued a warning.
"Uhhh, Arabs have been getting bombed for a decade now because of 911."
Uhh, no, we invaded Iraq in 2003, and we haven't had an airstrike there since 2010 (only 4), so that's 7 years. There are no Arabs in Afghanistan...unless you're a racist.
"If they were brilliant enough to pull off 911 surely they would have known the terrible response it would invoke. "
Actually they did. Al Qaeda wanted to lure us into Afgahnistan. Al Qaeda is all about death.
" It was an attack done by Zionist Jews and their helpers. The fact that none of these big terror attacks hit Israel is because Israel is the one behind them..."
From 2001 to 2003 suicide bombers killed 447 Israelis. I know you don't keep accurate score of dead Jews, but they were getting hit pretty hard. Out of sensitivity for your anti-Semitism I didn't count the Israelis killed in rocket attacks from Gaza or Lebanon.
"Israel is making billions off this "counter-terrorism" cottage industry spawned from 9/11. They do the terror, then sell you "counter-terrorism" services."
Like Blackwater? Oh wait, they're run by a right wing Christian. There are some security companies run by former Mossad or Shin Bet, but they tend to be based out of the US because the taxes here are less than Israel. So technically they're American.
"Very simple. Al Qaeda and Bin Laden were already known to the American public because they were blamed for previous assaults on American targets. If they tried to blame 911 on some unheard-of Iraqi group, or Palestinian group, it just wouldn't be a feasible sell to the American people."
That's another problem with your logic, that war had to be "sold" to the American public. The fact is that on 9/12/2001 whoever was behind the attacks were going to be dead meat, and it would not have made any difference who they were. While you saw Jews many saw Iraqi Intelligence. Why? Prejudice, stupid people are like that.
"The Zionist Jews had already set up Bin Laden and his group (if it even existed) as the Orwellian Bogeyman for Americans to be afraid of and hate"
Really? Al Qaeda? Why not Abu Nidal? He WAS in Iraq.
"The process is called "sheep dipping." It's where you have one of your assets that you control have him embark on a mission but only give him small objectives and don't inform him of the overall plot. It's designed to incriminate the individual without him/her knowing they are being framed."
That's not "Sheep Dipping". "Sheep Dipping" is where the CIA aquires specialists from one of the branches of the military to work under their management.
The idea is not to get caught.
"Like the CIA did with Oswald, first sending him to the Soviet Union to set-up this back-story about him being a "Communist" so the CIA/Mossad could pin the JFK assassination on the Soviets."
...yeah, okay...and how would WWIII benefit Israel again? For that matter how does bankrupting the United States through 2 wars benefit Israel. We're their only friend, and if we cut off financial aid Israel is in trouble. That was bin Laden's strategy. That's YOUR stragety, right? To cut off aid so you can masterbate while Jews are murdered?
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"Pig Ignorace, Racism and Rank Stupidity - where would I be without it!" - ZionCrimeFactory
"yiddite"
Nazi morons are so cute when they make up words.
Zionist...Mossad...Jews...Zionist Jews and their helpers...Zionist-puppet...CIA/Mossad...benefit Israel...
Translation: anti-Semite
some guys with boxcutters...some goofballs hanging out in caves...a guy in a cave...19 patsies...
translation: conspiracy nutbar
Combine the two: truther.
Very simple
It's so obvious.
Yes, you are.
In your own words, wake up, retard.
Paul W writes:
"Zionist...Mossad...Jews...Zionist Jews and their helpers...Zionist-puppet...CIA/Mossad...benefit Israel..."
Here are many of the Jews involved in 9/11, named, cataloged:
http://thezionistperil.blogspot.com/p/israel-did-911-all-proof.html
Get working on your rebuttal, Shlomo.
paul w writes:
"translation: conspiracy nutbar"
Actually Jews are quite literally conspiracy nutbats
-the holocaust™ (soap and lampshades, gas chambers, steam chambers, electrocution chambers, pedal-driven-brain-bashing-devices, acid pits, other conspiracy nonsense)
-protocols of zion were "faked" in a vast "anti Semitic conspiracy" to frame the innocent, angelic Jews
-Kuwaiti/Incubators Hoax (orchestrated by Jewish conspiracy theorist Tom Lantos who is also a holocaust conspiracy theorist i.e. "survivor")
-Iraq/WMD - Jewish neocons loved conspiracy theorizing about Saddam didn't they?
- Al Qaeda - Jewish media pundits and "terrorism" experts just love to conspiracy theorize about Muslims and this non-existent network of Muslim terrorists conspiring to kill everyone around the globe because they "hate our freedoms."
Jews are quite fond of conspiracy theorizing about Gentiles if you hadn't noticed by now ;-D
M Gregory Ferris writes:
“Israel in on guard 24/7 at a level we would have a hard time matching even if we wanted to.”
Oh, is that right? Hmmm... that’s funny because Israel is always whining and justifying their aggression into Gaza by claiming they are being pummeled with “Hamas rockets.” If Israel has such air-tight security and defense systems then how are Hamas able to launch rockets and hit Israel (Occupied Palestine) without getting shot-down by Israel’s state-of-the-art anti-missile defense systems? Either you’ll have to concede Israel was an easily strikable target for “Al Qaeda” or these “rockets” are being allowed to hit on purpose or are being shot by Israel herself to justify murderous incursions into Gaza. What will it be Shlomo?
M Gregory Ferris writes:
“They are also proactive in dealing with threats long before they develope.”
America has the largest defense budget in the world, larger than all other countries combined. But you want me to believe this was not enough to stop 19 amateurs with box cutters who were going to flight schools/bars/strip clubs leaving Korans behind at the bar? Bullshit. Plus many of these patsies were KNOWN to US intelligence and were being monitored by US intelligence for quite some time. Israeli Mossad agents were living in the vicinity of many of these Arabs in Florida, evidently tracking them. They were simply being “run” as patsies. Several of them were Mossad actors who were deliberately making scenes at bars/strip clubs making loud anti-American statements then leaving behind Korans at the bar. Typical false-flag work. Ziad Jarrah's cousin, Ali Al Jarrah, was a Mossad agent in Lebanon.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/mossad_link_found_169.html
Atta spoke fluent Hebrew according to his girlfriend.
http://thezionistperil.blogspot.com/2011/06/mohammed-atta-framed-by-jew.html
M Gregory Ferris writes:
“Also, because of America's ongoing problem with racist assholes the Al Qaeda guys taking flight training didn't get a closer look because they didn't want to be brought up on charges of racial profiling.”
Hahaha. The authorities didn’t want to appear “racist” so they did nothing about known terror suspects attending flight schools? Ahahaha, you buffoons just keep getting lamer and lamer in your paltry excuses.
M Gregory Ferris writes:
“Actually, a few of the Agencies saw something coming, they just didn't know what.”
The intelligence officers who did blow the whistle, and warn their superiors that something was coming, were demoted, silenced then gagged so they couldn’t talk. I wonder why? 20 intelligence agencies vs 19 amateurs with boxcutters. No matter how you spin it, there is simply no excuse for why the 911 plot wasn’t interrupted. It wasn’t interrupted because it was done by Zionists, not Arabs. The first people arrested on 9/11 were five dancing Mossad agents, and 2 Mossad agents with a truck bomb at the George Washington Bridge, and another van between 6th and 7th on king street that had a painting of the 9/11 attacks right on its side.
http://oi55.tinypic.com/zvtm4l.jpg
60+ “active duty Israeli military” officers part of “electronics surveillance intercept” and “explosive ordinance units” were arrested (Fox News). It’s pretty obvious who blew up those towers. Netanyahu’s buddy Silverstein knows what happened.
M Gregory Ferris writes:
“None of them talked to eachother consistantly.”
And you know this how? Let’s postulate for a minute that they didn’t talk to each other. So? All it would take is ONE of those agencies to stop the attack. CIA has billions of dollars at its disposal, massive-surveillance resources, global reach, and they just “didn’t know about it”? Keep lying, shlomo.
M Gregory Ferris writes:
"From 2001 to 2003 suicide bombers killed 447 Israelis. I know you don't keep accurate score of dead Jews, but they were getting hit pretty hard. "
Source please?
10,000 Arabs were killed by Israel in six days, in the six day war when Israel sneak attacked its neighbors and went on a massive land-grab. About 200,000 Palestinians have been killed since Jew terrorists (Irgun, Stern Gang, Lehi, Haganah) carved out Israel in 1948, three quarters of a million made refugees. tens of thousands of Lebanese have been murdered by Israel in countless invasions of their country. 1400 Palestinians were slaughtered in three days in Operation Cast Lead in 2008/2009 alone.
91 murdered in the Jewish terror attack on the King David Hotel in 1946. 34 American sailors slaughtered by Israel's attack on the USS Liberty attack (1967). 3000 Americans killed on 9/11 by the Mossad.
The kill ratio in the Israel/Palestine conflict is like 6 to 1: http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
More Israelis die each year from peanut allergies than "terrorism."
Your pro-israel bullshit is a laugh.
A phenomenal 9/11 art exhibit is currently viewing at 7 World Trade Center, overlooking the former Twin Towers. Learn more about it and how you can visit here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/29/todd-stone-paintings-world-trade-center_n_912520.html
A phenomenal 9/11 art exhibit is currently showing at 7 World Trade Center with impressive views of downtown and New York City. Learn more about it and how to visit here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/29/todd-stone-paintings-world-trade-center_n_912520.html
-protocols of zion were "faked" in a vast "anti Semitic conspiracy" to frame the innocent, angelic Jews
LOL
And that ladies and gentlemen tells you all you need to know about the microscopic researching skills and logical processes used by our new friend.
Imaging having to live your life as our low life ZionCrimeFactory guy?
Your typical dirtbag hate spewing moron.
So we have Borat from Uzbekistan telling all about the Jewish peril. Guess the have trailer trash in Uzbekistan too.
Don't those neo-nazi bastards know that the 3rd Riech is dead and buried along with Hitler?
Also don't they know that Hitler parents were Jews too? Musta slipped their minds!
David Kyte writes:
"So we have Borat from Uzbekistan telling all about the Jewish peril."
Borat's from Kazakhstan, not Uzbekistan, moron. He hates the Uzbek's. lol
David Kyte writes:
"Imaging having to live your life as our low life ZionCrimeFactory guy?
Your typical dirtbag hate spewing moron."
Quite the rebuttal to my assertions. I'm in awe of your impeccable scholarship and knowledge of this issue. I presume that "hate" is the Yiddish word for "truth"? ;-D
ZCF reminds me a lot of this "checkit" character here:
http://www.freedomportal.net/index.php?topic=21224.0
Like ZCF, checkit (or wreckit) had been schooled on his lies (by the poster "gelignite" on that forum), but continued to spew his nonsense in typical blizzard-of-bs fashion. Like wreckit, I imagine ZCF will eventually resort to posting hook-nosed characitures and finally duck out of the discussion altogether.
Bear in mind this isn't FreedomPortal forum, ZCF. Here there are a hundred "gelignites" to refute your mindless ramblings.
The USS Liberty... please. When will you bullet-heads quit dragging this tired subject into 9/11? The incident was determined the result of mistaken identity.
http://www.thelibertyincident.com/
What's next, the 4000 missing Israelis? The Odigo warnings? Zim shipping? Usual anti-Semitic tripe. You're in waters over your head, Z.
Falcon Apoda, why are you speaking of yourself in the third person. one click on your profile and under "my blogs" it says "gelignite unloaded." You are gelignite ROFL
How dumb do you feel singing the praises of yourself? You got your ass handed to you in that debate and you bowed out of the conversation when you ran out of copy/pasted BS from 911myths.com.
You're an amateurish hasbarat.
"You got your ass handed to you in that debate..."
Keep telling yourself that, Bainbridge.
Who was the one who reversed himself and resorted to publishing hook-nosed pictures of "Jews"? Who was the one who got caught repeating lies and demonstrable falsehoods, referring to those who disagreed with you as "Shlomo" and/or Israeli agents, in typical batshit-paranoid fashion?
Hint: It wasn't me.
In any event, I see you posting the same lies here that have been soundly refuted elsewhere. I actually like the fact that you came over, and would encourage you to keep it up. It provides an opportunity to once again show everyone what the "truth" movement is really about.
"...one click on your profile and under "my blogs" it says "gelignite unloaded."..."
Gee whiz. I did not know this.
Tell me more.
Once again, I note your reticence to actually respond to any substantive point, instead choosing to engage in some futile attempt to make this about the "hasbarat" agents from whom you imagine your nonsensical ramblings merit attention.
You're a clown, Z.
And this is plain for all to see.
"Who was the one who got caught repeating lies and demonstrable falsehoods"
That would be you, of course.
referring to those who disagreed with you as "Shlomo" and/or Israeli agents, in typical batshit-paranoid fashion?
You admitted that you had "relatives from Israel" and you assured me they aren't working for Israeli intelligence. You are Jewish, a Zionist, who has relatives from Israel and defends every action on part of Zionist Jews, the Mossad and the Israeli government but I'm paranoid for suspecting you're a paid hasbarat Jew troll? ROFL
"That would be you, of course."
Uh-huh. Let's review your performance (essentialized) in that thread, shall we?
ZCF/checkit: The dancing Israelis had their cameras pointed at the WTC before the first plane hit.
False. Even the lady who called the cops indicated that the towers had already been burning when they parked the van.
ZCF/checkit: The Odigo messages warned the Israelis in advance of the WTC attack.
False. The "warnings" made no specific mention of the WTC, and Odigo had no offices there.
ZCF/checkit: Zim shipping suddenly broke their lease within the WTC and high-tailed it out of there just in the nick of time (ala the "Odigo warning").
False. In fact, Zim's relocation to Norfolk had been announced months in advance, and indications are that it'd been on their board for more than a year.
ZCF/checkit [now in complete backpedal]: Zim shipping deliberately took their time with a long and drawn out relocation in order to give Mossad operatives free access to plant explosives in their WTC offices.
Not even false. Something completely pulled out of rectal orifice when confronted with undeniable facts contradicting previous lie.
I could go on all day, Z. But I think everyone pretty gets the message. You haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about. You're just another raging anti-Semite who is busily cutting and pasting whatever you can find from other good-old-fashioned-Jew-hating sites, and then calling it a "debate".
You're just a bladder full of hot air. All anyone has to do is examine your "facts", and your entire argument disappears like a popcorn fart in the breeze.
Falcon Apoda aka Gelignite writes:
"I could go on all day, Z."
Of course you could go on all day, since that's what you're paid to do, right?
Jew shill writes:
"False. The "warnings" made no specific mention of the WTC, and Odigo had no offices there."
We don't know what the warnings said specifically since we've never seen the text. Why wasn't the text released to the pubic? Furthermore, Israelis used the Odigo instant message service which allowed them to communicate with one another through a "buddy list." Considering only a couple Israelis died on 9/11, despite thousands of Israelis working in the WTC, that warning message was likely passed on to many Israelis in New York. Odigo after all is a Mossad-connected company, whose Isralei offices are in Herzliya, the same city as Mossad HQ. Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, Japan and Ireland had more casualties than Israel.
Jew shill writes:
False. Even the lady who called the cops indicated that the towers had already been burning when they parked the van.
They were seen in multiple places. They were first set-up to film the attack in Liberty state park, not on that rooftop across from the lady which was later on. This is where they were reportedly set up to film prior to the attack as noted in the New York Times. Moreover, the dancing Israelis were celebrating after the first plane hit. Most people thought the first plane hit was a terrible accident. These Israeli scum somehow already knew it was a terrorist attack and that it would be blamed on Arabs and would thus be good for Israel, hence the celebration. The Israeli government sent IDF demo units into Occupied Palestine to demolish homes 10 minutes after first tower was hit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlVXWKk_khg
This was before they could have heard what happened on the news and long before they could have known it was a terror attack, let alone known it would be blamed on Arabs and thus giving them an excuse to attack Palestinians. Those two points demolish your lie that the Dancing Israelis didn't know what was to come.
Keep shilling for serial killing terrorists, scumbag.
"Actually Jews are quite literally conspiracy nutbats
-the holocaust™ (soap and lampshades, gas chambers, steam chambers, electrocution chambers, pedal-driven-brain-bashing-devices, acid pits, other conspiracy nonsense)"
See, this is why even the meanest Nazi Death Camp guard is a better human being than you are. The Nazis were/are proud of their cleansing the Jewish threat from Europe. They kept records, lists of names, train routing schedules, pictures (still and moving), and they boasted about their work at Nuremberg. The Nazis didn't hide from who they were/are and what they did.
Now I know how sad you must be that you cannot be a Nazi yourself because of your impure blood heritage (one must be of pure Germanic blood to be a Nazi), but like the Brownshirts they are happy to let you spread their garbage until they're done with you...and we know what happned to the SA.
So insult Israel all you want, but denigrate the Third Reich at your own risk, commrad. They do not like having their grand works marginalized, and they're all over the internet.
"All it would take is ONE of those agencies to stop the attack. CIA has billions of dollars at its disposal, massive-surveillance resources, global reach, and they just “didn’t know about it”? Keep lying"
The CIA is forbidden from operating within the US. Once the hijackers were inside the country they couldn't follow them around, they assumed the FBI was doing that.
"-Kuwaiti/Incubators Hoax (orchestrated by Jewish conspiracy theorist Tom Lantos who is also a holocaust conspiracy theorist i.e. "survivor")"
You forgot to mention all of the other Kuwaitis murdered by the Republican Guard during the invasion. I know Saddam was a hero of yours but he died like the rat he was.
"If Israel has such air-tight security and defense systems then how are Hamas able to launch rockets and hit Israel (Occupied Palestine) without getting shot-down by Israel’s state-of-the-art anti-missile defense systems? "
Do I really need to explain the difference between a rocket and a missile? I think the Army still gives away coloring books on Armed Forces Day for the kiddies, maybe a four year old can snag you one.
"1400 Palestinians were slaughtered in three days in Operation Cast Lead in 2008/2009 alone."
That's because Hamassholes hide behind civilians.
"The kill ratio in the Israel/Palestine conflict is like 6 to 1"
With luck that will climb to 100 to 1. I love that all of your links are to neo-Nazi websites. How does it feel to be on an FBI watch list anyway?
"We don't know what the warnings said specifically since we've never seen the text."
So how do we know that they were "warnings" at all, then? If we don't know what they said "specifically", then how do we know they weren't text dimensions for Playboy of the Month?
"...despite thousands of Israelis working in the WTC..."
Another lie. You just can't stop, can you?
That's okay. No expects you to.
"They were first set-up to film the attack in Liberty state park, not on that rooftop across from the lady which was later on. This is where they were reportedly set up to film prior to the attack as noted in the New York Times."
You're mixing your stories up again. There was no report in the NYT about "dancing Israelis" in Liberty Park, much less any which mention cameras pointed at the WTC in Liberty Park.
You are now in total spin mode. First you tried to say it was the "dancing Israelis" spied through Maria's binoculars (who had their camera's set up ahead of time), and when that lie failed, you tried to place them in some park somewhere, using the same (supposed) New York Times report.
But you don't have the NYT report which says this, because there is no such thing. Except in your imagination.
"the dancing Israelis were celebrating after the first plane hit..."
And you know this because...?
You've already been caught lying again. Why should anyone believe anything else you have to say?
Okay Shlomo: here it is
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fox_arrested_911.html
"The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards."
They're not talking about the five dancing Israelis? What a laugh!
Moreover;
"Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)"
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/12/WTC_Mysteries3.html
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/12/WTC_Mysteries3.html
Shlomo, you've already lost this argument. You have been in full spin mode for months. In fact you're a professional spin artist who works for the Israeli government.
The Dancing Israelis were Mossad agents. Yes, they knew the attacks were coming. The Mossad warned of 19 terrorists inside the USA who were planning something big. They named names. Only 4 of the names have been released, but all were alleged 9/11 hijackers, including Mohammed Atta.
The Mossad knew the attacks were coming because everybody knew they were coming, and the Mossad is the best intel agency in the world.
The Dancing Israelis were obviously out to attract attention, which is most unlike usual intelligence agent behavior. Why? I think it was to show that they knew the attacks were coming, to cover their asses and to extract favors from GWB.
M Gregory Ferris ignorantly writes:
"See, this is why even the meanest Nazi Death Camp guard is a better human being than you are. The Nazis were/are proud of their cleansing the Jewish threat from Europe. They kept records, lists of names, train routing schedules, pictures (still and moving), and they boasted about their work at Nuremberg. The Nazis didn't hide from who they were/are and what they did."
Yeah they did keep records indeed. And not one German document refers to a plan to kill or exterminate Jews, let alone in "gas chambers."
The Germans did indeed keep records of deaths in the camps. A total of 69,000 deaths was recorded in Auschwitz, from all causes.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p265_Weber.html
British media instructed to hide Bolshevik Crimes by inventing propaganda against the Germans:
http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/07/shocking-1944-british-government-letter.html
And are you honestly citing the Nuremburg trials, the trial that claimed to prove the Nazis did the Katyn forest massacre (which was done by the Soviets)? The trial which claimed to prove the existence of 'electrocution chambers,' 'steam chambers,' that '4,000,000 people were killed at Auschwitz' which has since been reduced to 1 million (new fake figure)? All has since been dropped from the official story. The trial which claimed to prove the Nazis made Jews into 'soap and lampshades' and that there were homicidal gas chambers at Dachau (all dropped from the official story). ROFL!
Nuremburg Stalinist Show Trial DEBUNKED: http://www.cwporter.com/partone.htm
75% of Nuremburg Trial officials were Jews according to US congressman Thomas Dodd: http://www.projo.com/news/mcharlesbakst/SE_BAKST_COLUMN_30_09-30-07_CR78R0C.1efbfe6.html
Imagine the Nazis won the war and staffed a tribunal for the Allied leader with 75% Nazis? Would you be citing it as legitimate justice? Of course not.
Nuremburg Tribunal and German "Reparations" were decided by two Jews years before the war ended:
http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/10975575a991f3211d7fff752f7809ae.jpg
Auschwitz had the following facilities:
1) swimming pool 2) post office 3) library 4) hospital 5) soccer field 6) maternity ward 7) sauna 8) theater 9) cinema 10) dentists 11) religious facilities. Quite the "death camp" pfft
http://blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/Auschwitz.htm
You're quite the conspiracy theorist.
The “final solution” of extermination was not proposed by a German Nazi, but rather by an American Jew; and it was not the extermination of Jews which he proposed, but the genocide of German Gentiles. Theodor Newman Kaufman advocated the genocidal sterilization of all Germans as a “final solution” in 1941 in his book Germany Must Perish!
http://www.ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.shtml
Here is a relevant quote from the book:
"A final solution: Let Germany be policed forever by an international armed force? Even if such a huge undertaking were feasible life itself would not have it so. As war begets war, suppression begets rebellion. Undreamed horrors would unfold. Thus we find that there is no middle course; no act of mediation, no compromise to be compounded, no political or economic sharing to be considered. There is, in fine, no other solution except one: That Germany must perish forever from this earth!" (Kaufman, Theodor Newman. Germany Must Perish!, Argyle Press, Newark, New Jersey, (1941), p. 88 )
Jewish Final Solution to the Russians as well?
http://thehatefulhoax.blogspot.com/2011/07/jewish-final-solution-of-russians.html
Were "Six Million Jews" going to be Holocausted by the Russian government in 1906 as a "final solution"? Jews claimed it.
http://oi51.tinypic.com/wb2fm0.jpg
claimed it again in 1919, twice:
http://oi55.tinypic.com/2v31oua.jpg
http://oi51.tinypic.com/1f7dbn.jpg
Again in 1921: http://oi52.tinypic.com/2pqmkwi.jpg
And on and on: http://thehatefulhoax.blogspot.com/p/million-myth.html
Rabbi outlines the hoax four decades before the events of the 1940s...
"There are 6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering Jews in favor of Zionism." - Rabbi Steven Wise, Year 1900, New York Times
http://oi52.tinypic.com/1zmz87r.jpg
"The Final Solution of the Jewish Question" is a direct quote from the Zionist manifesto of 1897
http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/02/final-solution-of-jewish-question.html
More Zionist plans for the Final Solution™:
http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/05/more-zionist-plans-for-final-solution.html
Te "final solution" was the Zionist plan for a Jewish State in Palestine.
snug.bug writes:
"The Mossad warned of 19 terrorists inside the USA who were planning something big. They named names."
I have the actual article. Mossad gave a phony, unspecific warning of "200 terrorists" operating in the US, and gave no other details. It just so happened that 200 Israelis masquerading as "art-students" were operating in the US.
They tried to lead US authorities into blaming "Osama bin laden" and IRAQ as the authors of this upcoming terror event.
http://oi56.tinypic.com/2z9ckn9.jpg
It was planted propaganda, not a warning. Setting up their false flag.
The Mossad warned of 19 terrorists inside the USA who were planning something big. They named names. Only 4 of the names have been released, but all were alleged 9/11 hijackers, including Mohammed Atta.
See Die Zeit 10/1/02 and Der Speigel 10/1/02.
"Yeah they did keep records indeed. And not one German document refers to a plan to kill or exterminate Jews, let alone in "gas chambers." "
..."eliminated by natural causes" meant worked to death.
..."treated accordingly", "special treatment", and special actions" were code for SS firing squads or death by gassing.
The Wannsee Conference on 20, January, 1942 spelled out the final solution to the rest of the Nazi leadership. Reinhard Heydrich spelled it out in no uncertain terms that the Jews would be transported by rail to new specialized camps in Poland.
"The Germans did indeed keep records of deaths in the camps. A total of 69,000 deaths was recorded in Auschwitz, from all causes."
...and what happened to the other 3,931,000 Jews?
"Imagine the Nazis won the war and staffed a tribunal for the Allied leader with 75% Nazis? Would you be citing it as legitimate justice? Of course not."
You would. You're spewing their propoganda now. If the Jews were running the Nuremberg trials why weren't more Nazis hung? Why did so many get off with short sentences? Why did so many get a fair trial?
M Gregory Ferris writes:
"...and what happened to the other 3,931,000 Jews?"
Big mistake on your part. You are spouting the now-discredited 4,000,000 killed at Auschwitz figure. That figure was reduced to 1 million in 1989 by the Poles themselves, and there were many Non-Jews in Auschwitz as well.
http://oi56.tinypic.com/2n81v6d.jpg
The Auschwitz death books released to the Soviet Archives in 1989 recorded 69,000 deaths from all causes, proving that new 1 million figure to be another tissue of lies.
Talking about spouting "propaganda." Learn the official story before you try to pawn off discredited nonsense.
1.8 million Polish Jews were evacuated into the Soviet Union before the Germans even got there.
http://thehatefulhoax.blogspot.com/2011/07/1800000-jews-evacuated-by-soviets.html
A majority of Germany's Jews had emigrated out of Germany before the war according to the World Jewish Congress.
http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/07/germanys-jews-went-to-latin-america.html
"..."treated accordingly", "special treatment", and special actions" were code for SS firing squads or death by gassing."
Quite a conspiracy theory you got there. So now you are expert interpreting terms for us? In other words you admit there is not a single reference to killing Jews in "gas chambers" in any German war-time documents so you must invent lies about 'codewords.'
Typical conspiratorial Jewish propaganda.
"The Dancing Israelis were Mossad agents."
Jesus fucking keeryst Brian, you don't know when to shut the fuck up do you.
The "Dancing Israelis" worked at Urban Moving in New Jersey. They saw the attacks and photographed them. They were arrested and detained by police. They were arrested because THEY LOOKED ARAB. They files a lawsuit in Federal Court because they were unlawfully detained. You are the fucktard squealing about the loss of basic civil rights, yet you are accusing these guys based soley on Race.
Let me clue you in, Mossad Agents don't get caught.
The "Dancing Israelis" is one of the oldest lies of the 9/11 Truth movement and its most racist.
Between your hatred of African-Americans and support of anti-Semitism you continue to reveal yourself as a first class loser.
You're a pretty shitty liar Ferris
"It was New York's venerable Jewish weekly The Forward that broke this story in the spring of 2002, after months of footwork. The Forward reported that the FBI had finally concluded that at least two of the men were agents working for the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, and that Urban Moving Systems, the ostensible employer of the five Israelis, was a front operation. Two former CIA officers confirmed this to me, noting that movers' vans are a common intelligence cover. The Forward also noted that the Israeli government itself admitted that the men were spies. A "former high-ranking American intelligence official", who said he was "regularly briefed on the investigation by two separate law enforcement officials", told reporter Marc Perelman that after American authorities confronted Jerusalem at the end of 2001, the Israeli government "acknowledged the operation and apologized for not coordinating it with Washington". Today, Perelman stands by his reporting. I asked him if his sources in the Mossad denied the story. "Nobody stopped talking to me", he said."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17260.htm
Ferris the Jew liar lies some more:
"Let me clue you in, Mossad Agents don't get caught."
Is that right? Mossad agents don't get caught?
Israeli intelligence were caught trying to blow up American/British targets in Egypt in 1954's "Lavon Affair."
Israel was caught attacking an American ship, USS Liberty, in 1967.
Two Mossad agents were caught trying to obtain New Zealand passports on false-grounds:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jul/16/israel
In October 2001, two Mossad agents were arrested trying to blow up the Mexican congress; http://www.aztlan.net/blowup.htm
In 2002, two Israelis were pulled over near the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station. Their van tested positive for explosives.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52681,00.html
In 2002, the Mossad was caught setting up a fake Al Qaeda cell in Gaza to justify new attacks on the Occupied territories.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2550513.stm
Any more lies for us Ferris?
You're a pretty shitty liar Ferris
"It was New York's venerable Jewish weekly The Forward that broke this story in the spring of 2002, after months of footwork. The Forward reported that the FBI had finally concluded that at least two of the men were agents working for the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, and that Urban Moving Systems, the ostensible employer of the five Israelis, was a front operation. Two former CIA officers confirmed this to me, noting that movers' vans are a common intelligence cover. The Forward also noted that the Israeli government itself admitted that the men were spies. A "former high-ranking American intelligence official", who said he was "regularly briefed on the investigation by two separate law enforcement officials", told reporter Marc Perelman that after American authorities confronted Jerusalem at the end of 2001, the Israeli government "acknowledged the operation and apologized for not coordinating it with Washington". Today, Perelman stands by his reporting. I asked him if his sources in the Mossad denied the story. "Nobody stopped talking to me", he said."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17260.htm
Ferris the Jew liar writes:
"Let me clue you in, Mossad Agents don't get caught."
Is that right? Mossad agents don't get caught?
Israeli intelligence were caught trying to blow up American/British targets in Egypt in 1954's "Lavon Affair."
Two Mossad agents were caught trying to obtain New Zealand passports on false-grounds:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jul/16/israel
In October 2001, two Mossad agents were arrested trying to blow up the Mexican congress; http://www.aztlan.net/blowup.htm
In 2002, two Israelis were pulled over near the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station. Their van tested positive for explosives.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52681,00.html
In 2002, the Mossad was caught setting up a fake Al Qaeda cell in Gaza to justify new attacks on the Occupied territories.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2550513.stm
Any more Jew lies for us Ferris?
MGF, the Dancing Israelis were Mossad. That has been stated by the NY magazine Forward 3/15/02.
You're missing my point. Mossad doesn't get caught unless they're trying to get caught.
My aggressive campaign against anti-semitism in the truth movement is well known. Why do you think I went after the blatant bigot Kevin Barrett?
"http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fox_arrested_911.html"
That is not a New York Times article. That is a whatreallyhappened.com article which makes reference to a supposed New York Times article.
"They're not talking about the five dancing Israelis?"
It doesn't say whether they were Israeli or not, now does it? So for all we know they were Arab. And so you now fail on all fronts: You cannot produce the supposed New York Times article which mentions "dancing Israelis", and the one to which whatreallyhappened refers apparently makes no reference to their nationality, much less their location at Liberty Park, your backpedal when your first lie failed.
"..."Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact... Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot..."..."
Uh-huh. Neither of those articles positively identified them as Israelis, and neither of them mention that they had their cameras set up prior to the initial impact, as you earlier claimed.
FAIL.
They were Israelis. ABC news and the Bergen Record reported on it.
They appeared on Israeli TV. Urban Moving Systems was owned by an Israeli who fled the country after his employees were arrested.
The Mossad knew the attacks were coming because they're the best intel outfit in the world. Jews really are smarter.
"That has been stated by the NY magazine Forward 3/15/02."
Oh, well if the Forward says it, then it must be true, right. Newspapers never get anything wrong, do they?
Say, there, Bainbridge, what does the Forward say about 9/11 in general? Who did it, why, what for, etc. etc.?
Why push for a new investigation when there's the Forward to give us all the facts?
"They were Israelis."
WHO were Israelis? The ones Mrs. Kravitz caught standing on the van through her binoculars, or the ones who were supposedly celebrating in Liberty Park with their cameras trained on the WTC before the first impact, as ZCF has claimed?
If you're gonna stick your foot in your mouth, it helps to at least pay attention to what you're commenting on.
Kook.
"Big mistake on your part. You are spouting the now-discredited 4,000,000 killed at Auschwitz figure. That figure was reduced to 1 million in 1989 by the Poles themselves, and there were many Non-Jews in Auschwitz as well."
Oh well shit, that makes everything okay. Thanks for educating me you Nazi wannabee.
The over all total of Jewish dead is approx 4,565,000. Yeah it's less than 6 million, so the fuck what?
Whatever you obsession with Jews is, wheather it's because you like the way circumsized penises look, or because you suck at life, you really need to seek mental help.
Falconfuck Apoda says:
"It doesn't say whether they were Israeli or not, now does it? So for all we know they were Arab."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm sure you would have loved for them to be Arabs, Shlomo. If they were, your Jew-brethren who run the media would have been all over the story.
I can't believe you are actually trying to deny that there were five dancing Israelis arrested.
Those preliminary reports were corroborated with later reports which name them as Israelis you fucking idiot.
"But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.
‘We Are Not Your Problem’
According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" — referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem." The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari."
[...]
"For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country."
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1
Their names were Sivan Kurzburg, Paul Kurzburg, Yaron Schmuel, Oded Ellner, and Omar Marmari.
Fucking retarded Jew.
M Gregory Ferris writes:
"The over all total of Jewish dead is approx 4,565,000. Yeah it's less than 6 million, so the fuck what?"
Haha, according to you just a couple of hours ago 4,000,000 died at Auschwitz alone. Your credibility already went out the window when you parroted the long since discredited figure of 4,000,000 dead at Auschwitz. You don't even know what the official story is. You're in no position to tell me how many Jews died after that slipup, retard.
"My aggressive campaign against anti-semitism in the truth movement is well known"
Brian
If true, why are you allowing the anti-Semite Nazi, ZCF, to spout his racist garbage?
Come on, Brian, get stuck into him!
"I can't believe you are actually trying to deny that there were five dancing Israelis arrested."
I'm not denying (nor have I ever denied) that there were Israelis detained. I'm saying there were none in Liberty Park (or anywhere else) with their cameras pointed at the Twin Towers before the first plane hit, something you earlier claimed which you have thus far failed to back up with anything other than fairy tales pulled directly from out of your own anal cavity.
In short, you're a liar. And this is plain for all to see.
"Fucking retarded Jew."
This is why I love debating people like you, Z. Every other word you tap out is another nugget of hate which reveals your true nature and the underlying bias with which you approach this subject.
But go ahead and keep telling yourself that your side is winning. While you get caught in lie after lie after lie...
Falcon Apoda writes:
"Newspapers never get anything wrong, do they?"
You only claim newspapers get it wrong when they report something unfavorable to Jews, Israel or Zionism. In other words, whenever newspapers print the truth, they're just wrong. Yet you claim I have the bias? Ha!
Jew Gelignite claims the dancing Israelis were Arabs. He writes:
"It doesn't say whether they were Israeli or not, now does it? So for all we know they were Arab."
This assertion of his is, to use his words, a fairy tale "pulled directly from out of your own anal cavity."
To use his words again: in short, you're a liar.
"Jew Gelignite claims the dancing Israelis were Arabs."
Earlier, you said:
"[The dancing Israelis] were first set-up to film the attack in Liberty state park, not on that rooftop across from the lady which was later on. This is where they were reportedly set up to film prior to the attack as noted in the New York Times."
I asked you to provide the New York Times article which "noted" the that there were Israelis in Liberty Park with cameras set up prior to the attack.
You posted a whatreallyhappened article which made reference to a supposed New York Times article which didn't mention the nationality of these guys who were supposedly in Liberty Park.
Now you're back to the "dancing Israelis" who were seen through Maria's binoculars (i.e., not the ones in Liberty Park). I never claimed that they were Arabs. I am, however, still waiting for you to back up your claim that the Israelis on top of the van (seen by Maria) were also seen in Liberty Park with their cameras set up prior to the attack.
So far, you've provided absolutely nothing. You just keep hopping from one foot to the other like the liar that you obviously are.
You just another raging anti-Semite.
Which, in the end, is really what the "truth" movement is all about.
Bush phrased it just fine. It's jerks who want to quote-mine it to just those critical four words that are the problem.
Paul w, I don't have to clean up every turd on the sidewalk. Just the ones that get stuck on my shoe.
Yup, running away once again....
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If there's anything more pointless than arguing with a conspiracy theorist, it's arguing with an antisemitic conspiracy theorist.
Alex writes:
If there's anything more pointless than arguing with a conspiracy theorist, it's arguing with an antisemitic conspiracy theorist.
You must be a Semitic conspiracy theorist.
Rassling with pigs who are jew-haters isn't my idea of a good time. Not worth the effort unless they're the kind that can get Dr. Lynn Margulis and Dr. Robert Bowman and Dr. Helen Calidicott on their radio programs.
WHo really gives a shit what ZionCrimeFactory says anyways? I know I don't!
Besides, Germany lost both World Wars and that prick is just upset that his regime didn't win out in the end. He might as well did what Hitler did in his bunker.
'Why they hate us' vs. 'Why they attack us knowing they cannot win that way'.
I couldn't care less if the middle east or all of Islam hates us. It's the terrorism part that worries me. So why? It really is as simple as religious fanaticism. Even the so called 'moderate muslims' [if there really is such a thing] seem tamed only long enough to gain citizenship, education and some amount western capital before forming {or reforming] alliances with questionable factions. CAIR is certainly one example.
While its diffucult to verfy every claim, www.thereligionofpeace.com offers some interesting, no hold barred perspective on the matter.
Shouldn't "its diffucult to verfy every claim" be read as "they lie"?
Shouldn't "its diffucult to verfy every claim" be read as "they lie"?
In your mind, everyone "lies" except you. Admit that you're a liar and call it even.
I can't "admit" that I'm a liar, because it wouldn't be true.
I can't "admit" that I'm a liar, because it wouldn't be true.
Brian's paradox: Can't admit that he's a liar, but in reality he is a liar.
Keep at it snug.bug and whyaskquestions.
It's hilarious seeing two Jews fight with one another ;-D.
WhyAskQuestions is a probably a Hasidic Jew who reads Talmud daily.
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