Friday, August 19, 2011

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Kevin McPadden and Indira Singh make appearances. Love the bit where Ed Asner says that the newsmen recognized it as controlled demolition; apparently he doesn't understand the meaning of "it was almost as if".

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At 19 August, 2011 11:23, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 19 August, 2011 11:23, Blogger snug.bug said...

Peter Jennings said: "Anybody who ever watched a building being demolished on purpose knows .. that if you're going to do this you have to get at the .. at the under infrastructure of a building and bring it down."

 
At 19 August, 2011 11:48, Blogger Chris said...

Fred Flintstone said: "Yabba Dabba Doo."

So what?

 
At 19 August, 2011 12:04, Blogger snug.bug said...

Try reading the OP.

 
At 19 August, 2011 12:15, Blogger GuitarBill said...

So Peter Jennings is a fully-qualified civil or structural engineer? NOT.

And only someone as stupid and dishonest as a troofer would consult a chemical engineer to explain the collapse of a skyscraper.

FACT: Chemical engineers are NOT qualified to determine the collapse mechanism for a skyscraper.

And that's precisely why A&E for 9/11 "truth" is such a joke.

But to A&E 9/11 "truths" credit, at last they had the good sense to kick the goat fucker out of the group.

 
At 19 August, 2011 12:52, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...This modern skyscraper [building 7] was also built to last." -- Ed [Ass]ner

Yeah, that's why "this modern skyscraper" was built on NY & NJ Port Authority property, where it was EXEMPT from New York City building codes.

And as we all know, it's not what the troofers tell you that counts, it's what they don't tell you that makes the difference. For example,

"...If the World Trade Center towers had been built in a more conventional way and in strict accordance with New York City building codes — from which they were exempt because they were built under the auspices of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey — the buildings probably would not have collapsed, and thousands of lives might have been saved." -- Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl

Nothing to see here, folks, move along...

 
At 19 August, 2011 15:03, Blogger Arcterus said...

Peter Jennings is not an expert in anything related to demolishing buildings, so who cares what he has to say?

 
At 19 August, 2011 16:32, Blogger Pat said...

Yes, it is key to get at the under infrastructure of a building... that is, unless you are demolishing two 110-story skyscrapers, in which case you don't have to start with the under infrastructure.

 
At 19 August, 2011 16:43, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, chemical engineers are qualified to understand the laws of thermodynamics and Newtonian mechanics. And that's enough for them to point out the holes and the flaws in NIST's analyses and call for a new investigation.

AE 9/11 Truth has over 50 structural engineers.

Would you maintain that WTC7 was built in an unconventional way and that caused its collapse? If so, shouldn't its insurers have sued the building's engineers for incompetence?

Arcterus, if you would bother to read the OP you would see the point. Pat was implying that Asner was being irrational when he wasn't. What could a reported say? "That was controlled demolition"? No, they're not qualified. So if they see something that looks just like controlled demolition, and many experts have acknowledged that it did, they're going to say "almost as if" or "it resembles".

Pat--getting at the under infrastructure and starting with the under infrastructure are two different things. In fact, I consider one of the major mysteries of the collapses to be--why did the cores, after surviving the initial collapse of the outer floors, then fall straight down themselves?

 
At 19 August, 2011 16:55, Blogger Pat said...

They did not fall straight down, they toppled over.

 
At 19 August, 2011 17:12, Blogger paul w said...

After the first couple of minutes, I was going to start with how funny it was – the grand, uplifting music, or comparing the engineering feat of the pyramids and Eiffel Tower to box boy Gage and his ratbag assortment of pseudo-engineers.

But...the more I watched, the more I realised it was actually well done.

Yes, even if is an assortment of disinformation, misquoting and outright lies, to a newbie, this thing would raise serious concerns, as it seems the people doubtful of the official reports are reasonable, responsible people – 1,300 architects and engineers, fire-fighters, 9/11 family members, etc.

The comments from the people of AE911truth, for example, seem quite believable.

Molten steel? Red/grey chips? Nano-thermite?

We all know that’s crap, but the important thing is this: it sounds believable to a newbie.

And, he's the rub; the truthers don't care. They just want a result, even if it be one more person filled with doubt and fear, to them, that's a success.

The good news is that this will receive little publicity, and little public viewing.

 
At 19 August, 2011 17:13, Blogger paul w said...

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At 19 August, 2011 17:15, Blogger paul w said...

On another topic, please, GB, ignore Brian.

Even if he IS a paid troller, you are doing exactly what he wants you to do - fill this blog with bullshit. In fact, looking at how you both dominate the blog with your comments, one could say you are BOTH being paid.

The last post, for example, was a gargantuan 87 comments, many of which were you ‘debating’ Brian about the meaning of ms/2.

GB, who gives a shit if Brian thinks ms/2 means velocity? Or, speed. Or, whatever?

It’s Brian…he’s simply not worth it.

 
At 19 August, 2011 18:11, Blogger snug.bug said...

Pat, if the cores had toppled, we would have seen 52" x 22" core columns laid out in a linear array instead of scattered like pickup sticks.

Paul, m/2s can not be anything but a velocity. It is distance per unit time. Acceleration requires change. M/2s is a constant.

 
At 19 August, 2011 18:15, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, what paul means is "Just STFU, idiot, and then you won't make such a fool of yourself so often."

 
At 19 August, 2011 18:39, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 19 August, 2011 18:41, Blogger Arcterus said...

I did read the OP. But your quote doesn't do anything to explain what you're trying to say. It's just another example of an unqualified reporter making a note of it's resemblance. It means nothing.

 
At 19 August, 2011 19:06, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

The clock is ticking, Pat. Hopefully you'll make the right decision. And God help you if you fail to make the right decision.

Oh for Christ's sake. Pull yourself together. A smart IT guy would set up an HTTP proxy that filters out his comments, or patches in some prototype or jquery to delete them after page load. Or better yet step away from the computer for a few days since you're obviously having 60-cycle seizures.

 
At 19 August, 2011 19:22, Blogger Billman said...

I'd hate to see you leave, GB. I haven't been around much at all for a few months. The break has been nice. Maybe you should just step away for awhile.

 
At 19 August, 2011 19:39, Blogger GuitarBill said...

RGT wrote, "...Oh for Christ's sake. Pull yourself together. A smart IT guy would set up an HTTP proxy that filters out his comments, or patches in some prototype or jquery to delete them after page load."

Obviously, you haven't been paying attention, RGT.

I gave Pat TWO solutions to the problem (here and here) on 17 August 2011.

So don't lecture me about "smart IT guys."

As Nikita Khrushchev said,

"Мы вас похороним!"

Ask James B for the translation.

 
At 19 August, 2011 19:40, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 19 August, 2011 19:48, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 19 August, 2011 19:51, Blogger snug.bug said...

Arcterus, you're changing the subject to qualifications. Pat was claiming that Asner's comments about reporters recognizing that the "collapses" were indistinguishable from controlled demolition was out of line.

Bwa-ha-ha! полный провал никогда не слышал о Google Translate

 
At 19 August, 2011 19:53, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 19 August, 2011 20:03, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 19 August, 2011 20:25, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 19 August, 2011 20:28, Blogger snug.bug said...

Blow it in your harmonica, son.

For about three days you were arguing until you were blue in the face that distance/time was an acceleration. Then you tried to make out that the error was mine. You're a lying gasbag Bill. You discredit your own cause.

Maybe someday you'll learn to make a piece of toast without relying on expert consultation. In the meantime, how about explaining why the claim of the NRDC that all 424,000 tons of WTC concrete was pulverized was absurd? Your inability to answer that simple question shows that you don't know the FIRST THING about the construction of the World Trade Center.

The FIRST THING! Get it?

 
At 19 August, 2011 20:32, Blogger snug.bug said...

Here's another clue:

S****y Wall.

Go get 'em Bill. I hear that "Jeopardy" theme playing. Is that an ohrwurm or what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGhvoekY44

tic tic tic tic tic

 
At 19 August, 2011 22:48, Blogger Rohitpal said...

Anybody whoever watched this video. they will say WOW. Here's your choice: You either delete the goat fucker's comments on sight OR you can clean up HUNDREDS of off-topic comments.

You're probably saying to yourself, "That's blackmail, GB." You're God damned right it is, Pat.

 
At 20 August, 2011 00:39, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 20 August, 2011 00:45, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 20 August, 2011 01:04, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

So don't lecture me about "smart IT guys."

Smart IT guys also know when to apply patches locally, if they aren't being applied upstream.

 
At 20 August, 2011 01:11, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 20 August, 2011 01:31, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 20 August, 2011 01:32, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 20 August, 2011 01:46, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 20 August, 2011 01:54, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 20 August, 2011 02:32, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 20 August, 2011 08:26, Blogger John said...

The clock is ticking, Pat. Hopefully you'll make the right decision. And God help you if you fail to make the right decision.

For crying out loud, don't even pretend that this is Pat's fault. Or even Brian's fault for that matter. If you don't have the self control to not respond to Brian's posts, then it's your fault. And what'll happen to Pat if he "fails to make the right decision?" You'll leave? Big fuckin' deal! Who cares? I leave for months and no one gives a fuck. And no one should. IT'S JUST A BLOG!!

9/11 truth is dead. No one of any consequence believes that shit anyway. No policy makers, no real scientists, no one. you're going to have more of a life than Brian ever will. He's going to spend the rest of his life living in a fantasy world with no investigation forthcoming. If you can't take comfort in that, maybe you should leave.

 
At 20 August, 2011 09:03, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Pat,

Here's the comment that started this little war.

WAQ's reply to the goat fucker, dated 04 August, 2011 09:04.

Notice that WAQ did a cut-and-paste from Wikipedia's entry for gravitation. Here's a link to Wikipedia's entry for gravitation:

Wikipedia--Gravitation.

Notice that Wikipedia's page, which supports the full HTML font set, always formats exponents as the reader would expect.

SLC's font set, however, does NOT support exponents. So when WAQ did a cut-and-paste of the quote from Wikipedia to SLC, the exponent font formatting was lost. (Try it yourself if you don't believe me).

This is a direct cut-and-paste from Wikipedia's entry for gravitation:

g = 9.81 m/s2 = 32.2 ft/s2

Notice the exponents are lost and appear as integers. (The former exponents are in bold font).

The direct cut-and-paste from Wikipedia reads as follows:

Acceleration (g) is equal to 9.81 meters per second squared, which is also equal to 32.2 feet per second squared.

In the very next comment, the idiot goat fucker turns around and claims: "...The acceleration of gravity is not 9.81 m/s2. Can you tell us why?" Then the goat fucker goes on to claim "...m/s2 is number of meters per 2 seconds. It's a velocity."

Can you see what the goat fucker is doing, Pat?

He's trying to claim that the following equality

g = 9.81 m/s2 = 32.2 ft/s2

reads as follows.

Velocity is equal to 9.81 meters per second times 2, which is equal to 32.2 feet per second times 2.

Which is absolutely ridiculous.

Anyone with a course in elementary high school physics knows that g is the symbol for ACCELERATION. V, on the other hand, is the symbol for VELOCITY.

(Acceleration is ALWAYS expressed in meters per second squared [m/s^2 or m/s2]. Velocity is always expressed in meters per second [m/s]).

Do you see what the goat fucker's doing, Pat?

The goat fucker is DELIBERATELY conflating the terms acceleration (g) and velocity (v) IN ORDER TO START A FLAME WAR.

THIS IS BEYOND IDIOTIC, PAT.

And that son-of-a-bitch has the unmitigated gall to accuse others of "idiocy"?

I DEMAND THAT YOU UNCEREMONIOUSLY BAN THE GOAT FUCKER.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.


The clock is ticking, Pat.

 
At 20 August, 2011 09:12, Blogger GuitarBill said...

John wrote, "...For crying out loud, don't even pretend that this is Pat's fault."

Nice straw man argument, John.

I never said this is Pat's fault. The goat fucker is responsible for the stupidity that originates from his keyboard.

FACT: The goat fucker is a TROLL.

It's Pat's responsibility to REMOVE TROLLS from the blog. And he's received numerous requests to BAN the goat fucker. Yet, he refuses to live up to HIS RESPONSIBILITY.

It's not rocket science, John.

 
At 20 August, 2011 09:14, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

After 9-11-11 the truthers will take their place on the trash heap of all those other silly conspiracy theorist obsessions. JFK, fake Moon landing, Roswell.

The question is not if 9/11 was an inside no more than is evolution fact, Both truthers and creationist are full of shit. DUH. The only question is what makes these morons tick? What deficiency of synaptic power causes people to buy obvious con jobs? Is it nature? Are some people like Brian born suckers or were they made that way by lack of proper upbringing?

 
At 20 August, 2011 09:18, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, velocity was expressed in m/2s by you and by WAQo. You thought you were expressing an acceleration, but your ignorance of the commutative property caused you to make a mistake.

John, are you claiming that Dr. Lynn Margulis is not a real scientist? She's a member of the National Academy of Sciences, and received the National Medal of Science in 1999.

UtterFail, anybody who had 7th grade algebra knows that s2=2s.
s2 is thus a constant, making m/s2 a constant. It can not be an acceleration.

When are you going to tell us why the NRDC's claim is absurd that 424,000 tons of concrete was crushed at Ground Zero?

 
At 20 August, 2011 09:19, Blogger John said...

So when WAQ did a cut-and-paste of the quote from Wikipedia to SLC, the exponent font formatting was lost.

And everyone on this blog, except Brian, already knew that.

The goat fucker is DELIBERATELY conflating the terms acceleration (g) and velocity (v) IN ORDER TO START A FLAME WAR.

No, he actually believes that in this case s2= 2s and not s^2 because he's the stupidest, most delusional person on the face of the earth.

The clock is ticking, Pat.

Yawn.

 
At 20 August, 2011 09:20, Blogger GuitarBill said...

There's a third possibility, Dave: The goat fucker is a psychopath.

 
At 20 August, 2011 09:22, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 20 August, 2011 09:24, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

If you want an example of the utter failure of the truthers, just look at Brian Good. The man is the product of fetal alcohol syndrome or inbreeding, maybe both. Even others truthers as low as they are on the evolutionary tree recognized that Brian was a liability because his obvious retardation made them look worst that they are.

He won’t debate in public because most people have the ability to see when someone is not all there. Women particularly, they don’t what to have idiot children so they rebuff guys with defective genes like Brain in the same way Carol did.

 
At 20 August, 2011 09:26, Blogger John said...

I never said this is Pat's fault. The goat fucker is responsible for the stupidity that originates from his keyboard.

It's not Pat's responsibility to ban people that piss you off. Where is written that he has to ban trolls? J Rebori and WAQ show some self control. Why can't you?

 
At 20 August, 2011 09:26, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Oh look! The little piggy fucking TROLL is back, and he's squealing and lying.

Squeal, squeal, squeal.

Tell us more about the symbol (g), which in your idiotic world somehow represents "velocity"--you brain-dead cretin.

Go honk a cock, goat fucker.

 
At 20 August, 2011 09:27, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

I don’t think Brain is a psychopath. He is just your garden variety low IQ loser in life.

 
At 20 August, 2011 09:28, Blogger John said...

John, are you claiming that Dr. Lynn Margulis is not a real scientist?

I'm thinking of tackling Finnegans Wake next year.

 
At 20 August, 2011 09:31, Blogger John said...

let's just say it's going to get real "interesting."

I really don't post here that often to care that much. What gets me is you're all agitated over someone that's obviously not worth your time.

 
At 20 August, 2011 09:34, Blogger GuitarBill said...

John wrote, "...It's not Pat's responsibility to ban people [who] piss you off."

John, John, John...

I'm not the only person who asked Pat to ban the goat fucker. Pat invoked an alleged "partial ban" on the goat fucker back in May of this year. The "partial ban" was invoked after several people insisted that Pat ban him.

You don't believe me? Go back to May, find the thread, and read Pat's words for yourself.

 
At 20 August, 2011 09:36, Blogger John said...

John wrote, "...For crying out loud, don't even pretend that this is Pat's fault."

Nice straw man argument, John.


"Fault" was a poor choice in words. Responsibility is better.

 
At 20 August, 2011 09:38, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

Here's the comment that started this little war.

WAQ's reply to the goat fucker, dated 04 August, 2011 09:04.


Yup, and Brian has stayed on a one track mind to prove that 9.81 m/s2 is "speed", which it isn't. And I've been laughing at his silly attempts since then.

 
At 20 August, 2011 09:40, Blogger John said...

Pat invoked an alleged "partial ban" on the goat fucker back in May of this year. The "partial ban" was invoked after several people insisted that Pat ban him.

I remember that. But, unlike Brian, Pat probably has less time on his hands, and can't police the comments 24/7. I suggested that Pat make you a blog administrator. I still think that's a possible solution.

 
At 20 August, 2011 09:40, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

UtterFail, velocity was expressed in m/2s by you and by WAQo.

Oh boy, the shifting the burden of proof and blaming us for your fuck up, eh Goat Fuck?

Obviously goat fuck hasn't explained why is says "m/s2" and trying to peddle it as "acceleration" and "velocity" when it clearly isn't.

 
At 20 August, 2011 09:44, Blogger GuitarBill said...

John wrote, "...I suggested that Pat make you a blog administrator."

No thanks.

Pat can moderate his blog just fine. It's just a question of Pat living up to his responsibility.

 

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