Wednesday, September 14, 2011

Stalkers for 9/11 Truth

Jon Gold responds to Pat's post earlier today. Apparently he thinks Pat "quote mined" him, but I am not quite understanding his complaint, so I will let him and Pat duke it out directly. Jon, of course, can post openly here and does quote often, while debunkers are immediately banned from any Truther site, so I am curious as to why he didn't just complain in the comments here.

In any case, I wanted to respond to Gold's further comments:


I have [thought about it], and I wish I knew how to find out where a person gets their money, what business affiliations they have, etc... and so on. But... I don't. Nor, is he worth the time as a worthless human being.


Scratch a Truther, find a fascist. Yes Jon, I know you wish we lived in some Orwellian society where you can find out anything about anyone so that you can harass and punish those who disagree with you, perhaps put them up on the Kevin Barrett-like scaffolds for their crimes against the 9/11 Truth Movement, but I for one am glad that we still live in a society which respects personal privacy and civil rights. I am glad that you don't know where I work, or who I associate with, as I don't want you nutjobs harassing and threatening them.

And people wonder I don't post all my personal info on this blog.

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At 14 September, 2011 18:45, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

I found that comment revealing as well. What a bitter, malicious, self-aggrandizing douche.

If you're reading this Jon, the Internet is a good place to start researching someone's personal life.

 
At 15 September, 2011 01:41, Blogger paul w said...

Love this comment from the truther site:

"Most of the denizens of the SLC forum seem to be desperate to prove to themselves that they are intelligent people, seeking to convince themselves of their mental superiority to people they regard as the dumbest, most self-deluded people on earth--the "twoofers". Their primary activities there are lying, juvenile personal attacks, and generally just making shit up."

Making shit up?

Nano-thermiote, anyone?

Bwahahaha!!!!

 
At 15 September, 2011 02:01, Blogger snug.bug said...

Well paul, the electronmicrographs of the chips certainly look on their face like nanoparticles of iron associated in an organic matrix with nanoparticles of aluminum. So it definitely looks like nanothermite.

I've seen claims that stereotyped crystals of iron oxide are sometimes present in geological formations, so the claim that this chip was manufactured is one for which I retain some skepticism. And I'd like to see Harrit's findings replicated by an independent lab, but all in all though I'm unwilling to stake my scientific reputation on it I find the nanothermite claims to be interesting and deserving of further investigation.

Do you have any actual evidence that the nanothermite claims are unrealiable?

 
At 15 September, 2011 02:05, Blogger paul w said...

OT

Local newspaper in Oz reveals a truther...or another newbie taken in by the lies:

"It’S been said that nobodywho
researches the subject of the so called September 11 terror attacks
in the United States ever ends up
believing the official story about
what happened.

If that’s true, it puts the event in thesameclass as the 1963
assassination of JohnF.Kennedy.

Both events havebeen regarded
as pivotal hinges of history, both are surrounded by intense controversy and neither are satisfactorily explained by official accounts."

The rest is the usual stuff...half-trained amateur pilots...not on passenger lists...skyscrapers designed to withstand planes...melted steel...But hundreds of engineers and
scientists say that story defies belief...explosions heard..."

Actually, he sounds like a truther.

I sent him an email.

(Couldn't find the article on the online site.)

http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=11043

 
At 15 September, 2011 02:07, Blogger paul w said...

Just got a reply:

"Thanks Paul,
I will read it carefully.
For me, the really big question marks remain over who funded and organised the thing.
Obviously there was a significant Pakistan link.
Presumably those money trails are what Bush and co didn't want followed, hence his frantic efforts to avoid any inquiry and then to hobble the one he was forced against his will to permit.

Anyway, I've been dudded many times and can well accept this could be another.

I appreciate you being civilised in your comments.

Regards,
Greg"

 
At 15 September, 2011 08:29, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 15 September, 2011 08:59, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 15 September, 2011 09:13, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...And I'd like to see Harrit's findings replicated by an independent lab, but all in all though I'm unwilling to stake my scientific reputation on it...[blah][blah][blah]."

Since when does a failed janitor and insane, lying lunatic have a "scientific reputation"?

So, Mr "scientific reputation," have you learned that it's impossible to store terabytes of ANSYS simulation data on a floppy disk or CD-ROM?

You're an idiot.

 
At 15 September, 2011 13:56, Blogger b. j. edwards said...

When you come right down to it Jon Gold is just a very sad, direction-less human being who found a "cause" and cannot let go of it no matter how bizarre and irrational 9/11 "Truth" is.

Jon Gold can never let that fact into his consciousness - the resulting despair would be enormous. He thrives on the negative attention we in the rational community give him.

 
At 15 September, 2011 15:07, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, where do you get the idea that I'm a failed janitor?

Also, where do you get the idea that I think a CD can store terabytes?

Do your Rice Krispies whisper these things to you at dinner time?

 
At 15 September, 2011 16:43, Blogger Grandmastershek said...

I truly love how someone talks about micrographs in relation to nano sized particles. You would think that might make some question their beliefs, but then again these are the same people who believe in hush boom explosives.

 
At 15 September, 2011 18:30, Blogger Ian said...

Do you have any actual evidence that the nanothermite claims are unrealiable?

Do you have any actual evidence that Russell's teapot isn't actually orbiting the sun somewhere out by Mars?

 
At 15 September, 2011 18:43, Blogger Ian said...

UtterFail, where do you get the idea that I'm a failed janitor?

Brian, as "truebeleaguer", you told the world that you "used to be a janitor", now you're not, since you have the time to spend 18 hours a day posting dumbspam all over the internet.

So you're a failed janitor. QED.

I find the nanothermite claims to be interesting and deserving of further investigation.

And nobody cares because you're a failed janitor who doesn't understand a thing about 9/11.

 
At 15 September, 2011 19:24, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...Also, where do you get the idea that I think a CD can store terabytes?"

Oh, I don't know, fuck face.

You're the one who demands that NIST release hundreds of terabytes of ANSYS simulation data to the 9/11 "truth" movement. So where do you plan to put the data? Up your ass?

You're an idiot.

 
At 15 September, 2011 22:54, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, for an IT guy you certainly are ignorant about data transmission. You never heard of FTP? Besides, you haven't answered the questions? Where do you get your information about my CV, and when did I say the ANSYS data could fit on a CD?

GMS, it's called a micrograph because only a doofus would call it a nanograph.

 
At 15 September, 2011 22:55, Blogger snug.bug said...

You guys are a real hoot when you try to pretend you're smart.

 
At 15 September, 2011 23:27, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 15 September, 2011 23:41, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...UtterFail, for an IT guy you certainly are ignorant about data transmission. You never heard of FTP?"

What about FTP (File Transfer Protocol), cretin? I was talking about data storage. FTP is a data file exchange protocol, not a data storage protocol.

So, you want to transfer hundreds of terabytes of data via FTP? How many years do you have to complete that process, cretin? Or are you sitting on top of an OC-3 data pipe Internet backbone connection?

LOL!

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about--you babbling cretin.

And I've already explained the impracticality of your demand.

You'll require the following in order to analyze the data:

[1] You'll need to purchase an ANSYS license, which will cost you $100,000.

[2] You'll need a Linux-based Beowulf cluster with at least 100 nodes--which should run you about another $120,000.

[3] In order to store and manage the data, you'll need a multi-terabyte, RAID 5-based fiber channel Storage Area Network (SAN) array. The SAN will cost you approximately $200,000.

That's almost a half million dollars in total.

[4] You'll need an expert UNIX system administrator to set up and maintain the ANSYS license sever, Linux-based Beowulf cluster and the SAN--which will cost you $120 per hour.

[5] The aforementioned hardware gobbles an enormous amount of energy and, as a result, generates a huge amount of heat. Thus, you'll need a data center in order to run all the aforementioned hardware and software--which will cost you approximately $40,000 PER MONTH.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

If you can pony up the half million dollars and figure out how to use the ANSYS simulation suite (don't hold your breath, folks), publish your "results," and we'll all have a good laugh.

Go for it, Mr Bogus "scientific reputation."

 
At 15 September, 2011 23:50, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker squeals, "...You guys are a real hoot when you try to pretend you're smart."

Projecting, goat fucker?

Of course you are.

Sorry to use all those big words and technical terms in the above comment. Too bad you're an idiot.

Goat fucker, guess what? I know how to spell deranged homosexual ass rapist: Brian "goat fucker" Good.

 
At 15 September, 2011 23:59, Blogger snug.bug said...

Is there some reason you don't cite any source for your information, Mr. Makes-up-his-facts?

 
At 16 September, 2011 00:08, Blogger GuitarBill said...

You're the alleged Google expert. Look it up, Mr. Bogus "scientific reputation." And don't foget, liar, I'm the IT expert.

So when do you plan to substantaite your bullshit, Mr. Bogus "scientific reputation"?

Yeah, I know, when Hell freezes over.

 
At 16 September, 2011 00:10, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, you are an anonymous internet poster who makes a lot of bogus claims--nothning more.

I almost never make a claim I can't prove. There's no point in proving anything here. It will just be buried under stooopid-spam by you and MGF and Ian.

 
At 16 September, 2011 00:14, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Which "bogus claims" are you talking about, Pinocchio? Blowing smoke again, Mr. Bogus "scientific reputation"?

So when do you plan to substantiate your allegations, cretin?

The worthless, 100% fact-free opinion of a deranged homosexual ass rapist isn't worth the ASCII characters you waste to post it.

 
At 16 September, 2011 00:59, Blogger snug.bug said...

I already told you. There's no point in substantiating anything in this forum because its tolerance for lies from people like you, MGF, and Ian means it has no credibility.

 
At 16 September, 2011 01:18, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 16 September, 2011 01:23, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Who cares what you think, cretin? After all, you're a proven liar.

You're the one who made the allegations, goat fucker. It's not incumbent upon me to prove or disprove your allegations. That burden falls on your shoulders, and your shoulders alone.

As usual, you can't substantiate your allegations because you're lying. And I notice that you can't cite any specifics. Why is that, Pinocchio? Blowing smoke again, liar?

The reason that you steadfastly refuse to substantiate your allegations is simple: You know that I'll catch you lying.

So I'll ask you again, coward: When do you plan to substantiate your allegations, cretin?

I'm waiting patiently, Pinocchio.

 
At 16 September, 2011 01:30, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Goat fucker, you wouldn't try to kick dirt and lies on my detailed explanation of why you're full-of-shit, and, in the process, bury your latest humiliating defeat under an avalanche of dumbspam, would you?

Of course you are.

 
At 16 September, 2011 01:59, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 16 September, 2011 02:01, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, you provide no source for your "detailed explanation" so there's no reason to give it any cinsideration.

Your inability to comprehend that only demonstrates your crippled epistemology.

 
At 16 September, 2011 02:03, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Goat fucker, can you read, or not?

You're the one who made the allegations, goat fucker. It's not incumbent upon me to prove or disprove your allegations. That burden falls on your shoulders, and your shoulders alone.

Go for it, Mr. Bogus "scientific reputation."

"...crippled epistemology...[blah][blah][blah]."

Sniffing glue again, goat fucker?

 
At 16 September, 2011 09:54, Blogger snug.bug said...

You made a whole lot of unsupported allegations. You're just flipping, which is about all you're good for.

 
At 16 September, 2011 10:16, Blogger GuitarBill said...

I don't see any specifics, ass.

You made the allegations, so the burden of proof falls on your shoulders, and your shoulders alone.

And all the information I need to substantiate my claims can be found in NIST NCSTAR1A.

I'll bet you can't tell me how long it took to perform the simulations or why the simulations were so time consuming (given 2004-5 technology. Computational power has increased considerably since then). And I'll also bet you can't tell me which type of code was employed: Single-precision analysis or double-precision analysis.

I thought you read the NIST Report? I guess not.

Like every claim you make, it's a pile of crap.

 
At 16 September, 2011 10:24, Blogger GuitarBill said...

I'll give you a hint, idiot.

Think about the Linux kernel's SMP (symmetric multiprocessing) capabilities, and the problems that made SMP a non-option at the time the simulations were run (2004-5).

What's changed since then?

 
At 16 September, 2011 11:13, Blogger snug.bug said...

Do you have a point?

 
At 16 September, 2011 11:20, Blogger GuitarBill said...

You should ask yourself that question, Pinocchio.

So have you read the NIST report, Mr. Bogus "scientific reputation"?

(I won't hold my breath.)

Make an assertion, ass. Go for it! Because I'm sitting here with the NIST Report. And I can't wait to rip your argument to shreds--you scurrilous liar.

Go for it, idiot. Spam the blog with more dumbspam.

 
At 16 September, 2011 11:27, Blogger GuitarBill said...

What's the matter, goat fucker?

Still shitting your women's underwear and shaking in your boots after I exposed your lies about "melted girders"? You think nothing of slandering Dr. Astaneh-Asl, so why would you hesitate to slander the NIST employees who performed the WTC 7 simulations?

Go for it--you lying coward.

 
At 16 September, 2011 11:28, Blogger snug.bug said...

I haven't read all 10,000 pages of the NIST report. I'm reasonably conversant in certain aspects of it. I'm not going to bother to discuss specifics with you because you're a liar and a waste of time.

Did you ever figure out why your claim is absurd that all 424,000 tons of WTC concrete was pulverized? It's obvious to anyone who knows the first thing about the construction of the WTC.

 
At 16 September, 2011 11:29, Blogger snug.bug said...

I didn't slander Dr. Astaneh-Asl. I said he told PBS "I saw melting of girders at World Trade Center". He did say that.

There's no point in discussing stuff with someone like you who makes up your facts.

 
At 16 September, 2011 11:32, Blogger GuitarBill said...

You've never caught me lying. And you've never proven that I lied--not once. And you can't cite one occasion where you've proven that I lied.

You, on the other hand, are a proven compulsive liar.

Are dumbspam and lies all you have, Mr. Bogus "scientific reputation"?

 
At 16 September, 2011 11:33, Blogger GuitarBill said...

So, goat fucker, when do you plan to substantiate your allegations?

(I won't hold my breath).

 
At 16 September, 2011 11:39, Blogger snug.bug said...

You lie so much you don't even know when you're doing it. You can go on for days insisting on falsehoods like your claim that the RJ Lee inventory was done by weight, like your claim that NIST did an annealing study, like your claim that Dr. Sunder did not say that the buildings came down in 9 seconds and 11 seconds, like your claim that no molten steel was found in the rubble. You are complicit in every one of Ian's lies, too, because you don't contradict him when he claims that the widows have no questions and there are no widows. You have shown you have no respect for truth.

 
At 16 September, 2011 11:40, Blogger snug.bug said...

You're a waste of time.

 
At 16 September, 2011 11:43, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Making stuff up again, goat fucker?

Of course you are.

Proof?

I don't see one link to substantiate your assertions, ass.

Why?

Because you're lying.

 
At 16 September, 2011 11:49, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...I didn't slander Dr. Astaneh-Asl."

What's this, goat fucker?

"...All those who use my quote in this context of conspiracy theories are absolutely wrong and are doing a dis-service to the truth, the victims and their families and the humanity. No one should use that specific quote "molten metal" out of context, to indicate that I have seen molten metal and then use my good name and reputation as a researcher to conclude that there was a conspiracy...All I tell to those who use my name is: "please stop using a phrase "molten steel" from eight years of my work and statements to further your absolutely misguided and baseless conspiracy theories and find another subject for your discussion . You are hurting the victims' families immensely and if you have any humanity you would stop doing so and will not use my name nor the out of context words from my work." -- Abolhassen Astaneh-Asl

What's this, goat fucker?

Dr. Astaneh-Asl continues, "...When the fires started, they heated up the steel. In my opinion, the truss joists collapsed first, leaving the exterior columns of probably two floors in the impact area with no bracing but still under gravity load from the floors above. As the columns heated up and reached temperatures of nearly 1,000F, their strength was reduced to less than half the design strength and they started to buckle. When the columns buckled, the top portion of the building, losing its supports, was pulled down by gravity and dropping on the floors below, pancaking the floors one after another and leading to progressive collapse in an almost perfect vertical direction of the pull of gravity force." -- Abolhassen Astaneh-Asl

So much for your "melted girders" malarkey.

If you didn't slander Dr. Astaneh-Asl, what did you do?

You lie so often that you can't keep track of all the lies you tell.

That's called proof, goat fucker. Why can't you offer any proof?

The answer is simple: You're a scurrilous liar.

 
At 16 September, 2011 11:53, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...You are hurting the victims' families immensely and if you have any humanity you would stop doing so and will not use my name nor the out of context words from my work." -- Abolhassen Astaneh-Asl

So goat fucker, tell us more about your feigned "concern" for "the widows."

Scumbag.

 
At 16 September, 2011 12:09, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, all you do is demonstrate your irrationality. Dr. Astaneh-Asl's other statements do not erase his "melting of girders" statement.

I don't know when the family members elected Dr. Astaneh as their spokesmen. I'm sure the family members in the Remember Building 7 campaign will be interested to know that questioning the collapses is hurting them.

 
At 16 September, 2011 12:16, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...UtterFail, all you do is demonstrate your irrationality. Dr. Astaneh-Asl's other statements do not erase his "melting of girders" statement."

Is dissembling all you have, goat fucker?

"...No one should use that specific quote "molten metal" out of context, to indicate that I have seen molten metal and then use my good name and reputation as a researcher to conclude that there was a conspiracy...All I tell to those who use my name is: "please stop using a phrase "molten steel" from eight years of my work and statements to further your absolutely misguided and baseless conspiracy theories and find another subject for your discussion." -- Abolhassen Astaneh-Asl

You'll lie even when the proof stares you straight in the face.

The goat fucker squeals, "...I don't know when the family members elected Dr. Astaneh as their spokesmen."

As opposed to what, scumbag? You imposing yourself as the self-appointed spokesman for the widows?

Would you care to contradict yourself again, Mr. Bogus "scientific reputation"?

 
At 16 September, 2011 12:31, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

If you didn't slander Dr. Astaneh-Asl, what did you do?

(Mis)using a genuine quote to push your agenda isn't slander. That's closer to a "false light" situation, which California does recognize.

 
At 16 September, 2011 12:33, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Dr. Astaneh-Asl's other statements do not erase his "melting of girders" statement.

They don't erase the fact that the statement was uttered. To a reasonable person, they do negate the prior statement.

 
At 16 September, 2011 12:42, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Slander - [1] The action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation. [2] Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.

"...No one should use that specific quote "molten metal" out of context, to indicate that I have seen molten metal and then use my good name and reputation as a researcher to conclude that there was a conspiracy." -- Dr. Astaneh-Asl

If that's not slander (or libel, if you prefer), what the Hell is it?

 
At 16 September, 2011 12:47, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Are you prepared to argue that Dr. Astaneh-Asl's reputation wasn't harmed when the troofers took his words out of context and used them as evidence of a conspiracy on 9/11?

He should sue the 9/11 "truth" movement out of existence.

 
At 16 September, 2011 13:00, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

If that's not slander (or libel, if you prefer), what the Hell is it?

Misusing a real statement isn't the same as just making one up. He really did say that. That's a watertight defense to defamation/slander/libel.

Using an old quote out of context is dishonest and rude, but not illegal until it causes damage. I doubt Astaneh-Asl has been much damaged by this particular case of quote-mining. It's not like anybody listens to Truthers except other Truthers.

 
At 16 September, 2011 13:24, Blogger GuitarBill said...

If you say so, counsel.

The fact remains that Mr. Bogus "scientific reputation" holds up one four-word sentence as "proof of conspiracy," while he ignores the body of Dr. Astaneh-Asl's work, which says just the opposite.

The goat fucker's argument is not mere quote mining, it's intellectual dishonesty on a grand scale.

So yes, he very likely has an air tight case against slander or libel, but anyone can see his argument for what it is: A pack of lies.

 
At 16 September, 2011 13:43, Blogger snug.bug said...

RGT. There's no false light. He said he saw melting of girders. Other people saw it too.

How does the second statement negate the first? Does he say he was wrong, he didn't see melting of girders?

It's not quote-mining. He was talking about the WTC, and he said he saw melted girders. Nothing is out of context.

UtterFail, I didn't use Dr. Astaneh's reputation to conclude there was a conspiracy. I use Dr. Astaneh's reputation to conclude that there are credible reports of molten steel.

Dr. Astaneh's work does not negate the fact that he saw melting of girders and it does not make referring to that fact a lie. Only you can be so out of touch with reality as to believe that it does.

 
At 16 September, 2011 13:51, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's right, goat fucker, continue to lie even when the proof stares you straight in the face.

So how's psychopathy treating you, Mr. Bogus "scientific reputation"?

 
At 16 September, 2011 13:55, Blogger GuitarBill said...

See Pat's post titled "More Mohr" to see why you're full-of-shit.

Oh, that's right! As a delusional compulsive liar, you have a physical aversion to all evidence that proves you're wrong. My bad.

 
At 16 September, 2011 13:57, Blogger snug.bug said...

You have the mind of a child.

 
At 16 September, 2011 14:00, Blogger GuitarBill said...

And you have a head like a sieve.

And your "mind" has been missing in action since childhood.

 
At 16 September, 2011 14:00, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

How does the second statement negate the first? Does he say he was wrong, he didn't see melting of girders?

Yes, he says that unambiguously.

It's not quote-mining. He was talking about the WTC, and he said he saw melted girders. Nothing is out of context.

By presenting his first statement without the context of his later statements, you misrepresent his beliefs. That's false light invasion of privacy.

Dr. Astaneh's work does not negate the fact that he saw melting of girders

He once said saw that. He now says he did not. There's really no room for another interpretation.

I realize you're having trouble conceiving a non-sinister way to resolve this. I'll help you. Is Dr. Astaneh-Asl's native language English?

 
At 16 September, 2011 14:08, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Dr. Astaneh-Asl's native language is Fārsī.

 
At 16 September, 2011 14:19, Blogger snug.bug said...

I don't misrepresent anything. I correctly represent his belief that he saw melted steel.

A scientist does not own the facts he discovers. If a Communist scientist discovers a treatment for cancer, I need not become a Communist to investigate it. You guys have very parochial attitudes about facts.

When did he say he didn't see melted girders?

 
At 16 September, 2011 14:35, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFool, Dr. Astaneh is a college professor. Are you claiming that he doesn't know what "melting of girders" means?

 
At 16 September, 2011 14:36, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

When did he say he didn't see melted girders?

In the "No one should use..." quote.

I presume now you'll reduce this to a word game. He says he didn't see "molten metal" but maybe he saw "melting of girders". Go right ahead.

 
At 16 September, 2011 14:52, Blogger snug.bug said...

He didn't say he didn't see them. He claimed that he owns the fact that he saw them and says that he saw them. He doesn't own that fact. It belongs to everyone. If he wanted to own the fact he should have kept it quiet.

 
At 16 September, 2011 15:00, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...Are you claiming that he doesn't know what "melting of girders" means?"

No, I'm claiming that he retracted the statement, which the quotes I provide up thread prove beyond a doubt.

Intergranular melting is not "melting," as Pat's blog post titled, "More Mohr," proves beyond a doubt.

RGT wrote, "...I presume now you'll reduce this to a word game. He says he didn't see "molten metal" but maybe he saw "melting of girders". Go right ahead."

Of course he will, RGT. Should you expect less from a proven compulsive liar?

FACT: Metal is a generic term, and includes alkali metals, alkaline earth metals, transition metals, and rare earth metals.

Once again, the goat fucker makes up his "facts."

The goat fucker dissembles, "...He didn't say he didn't see them. He claimed that he owns the fact that he saw them and says that he saw them. He doesn't own that fact. It belongs to everyone. If he wanted to own the fact he should have kept it quiet."

He has every right to retract his statement based on new evidence. And he never claimed to "own" anything. You're putting words in his mouth, which is a straw man argument.

Once again, the goat fucker makes up his "facts."

 
At 16 September, 2011 15:13, Blogger snug.bug said...

Dr Astaneh didn't say anything about intergranular melting. He said "melting of girders".

He didn't retract his statement. He didn't say he didn't see it.

 
At 16 September, 2011 15:18, Blogger GuitarBill said...

There were only two girders that underwent a eutectic reaction.

You can't show me one girder that "melted." If a girder had actually "melted," as you falsely claim, the photos should be all over the Internet. So where are the photos to substantiate your idiotic argument, Pinocchio? (And don't you dare try to misrepresent the girders that experienced intergranular melting as "evidence.")

So where's your evidence, goat fucker?

You make up your "facts."

 
At 16 September, 2011 15:26, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...UtterFail, I didn't use Dr. Astaneh's reputation to conclude there was a conspiracy."

Unbelievable. So what have been arguing for the last 6 years, Pinocchio?

Contradicting yourself again, Mr. Bogus "scientific reputation"?

 
At 16 September, 2011 15:32, Blogger GuitarBill said...

So [1] you can't substantiate your allegations as concerns the ANSYS simulation data and the supporting hardware and software necessary to store and manipulate the data. And [2] you can't substantiate your "melted girders" malarkey.

Par for the course.

Don't you have a troofer to sexually harass.

 
At 16 September, 2011 15:36, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Now hurry, goat fucker! Try to pass off squealing and hair splitting as "evidence."

'tard.

 
At 16 September, 2011 15:43, Blogger snug.bug said...

The evidence is that Dr. Astaneh-Asl said "I saw melting of girders at World Trade Center". There is also testimony of molten steel by many witnesses, including Leslie Robertson, who told a Stanford audience in 2002 that he saw "like a little river of molten steel."

 
At 16 September, 2011 15:47, Blogger GuitarBill said...

See what I mean?

All we're going to get is 100% fact-free squealing and hair splitting as "evidence."

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

Now go away, Pinocchio. You've defaced the blog with enough of your 100% fact-free trash for one day.

 
At 16 September, 2011 16:03, Blogger snug.bug said...

I'm not hair splitting. It's quite clear: Dr. Astaneh-Asl said "I saw melting of girders at World Trade Center."

Your claims of retractions are typical UtterFool lies.

 
At 16 September, 2011 16:05, Blogger Ian said...

I already told you. There's no point in substantiating anything in this forum because its tolerance for lies from people like you, MGF, and Ian means it has no credibility.

Poor Brian, he's upset!

Brian, how do you expect to get the widows questions answered if you won't substantiate any of your claims? Remember, we're not the ones who think magic thermite elves were responsible for destroying the WTC.

 
At 16 September, 2011 16:07, Blogger Ian said...

I haven't read all 10,000 pages of the NIST report. I'm reasonably conversant in certain aspects of it.

No you're not. You've proven time and again that you don't understand a thing in the NIST report. For example, you keep babbling about how it said the towers came down "essentially in free fall" which is not true. You're either too dumb and ignorant to understand what you read, or you're a liar.

 
At 16 September, 2011 16:09, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 16 September, 2011 16:09, Blogger Ian said...

UtterFail, all you do is demonstrate your irrationality. Dr. Astaneh-Asl's other statements do not erase his "melting of girders" statement.

Poor Brian, he's so desperate to cling to his truther fantasies that he'll cling forever to lines that have been explicitly repudiated by those who said them.

Seek psychiatric care, Brian. You're in desperate need of it.

 
At 16 September, 2011 16:13, Blogger Ian said...

RGT. There's no false light. He said he saw melting of girders. Other people saw it too.

Brian, these lies are as pathetic as your lies about Dr. Sunder. Or your claim that you're not petgoat.

I don't misrepresent anything. I correctly represent his belief that he saw melted steel.

False and false.

If a Communist scientist discovers a treatment for cancer, I need not become a Communist to investigate it. You guys have very parochial attitudes about facts.

And we have another hilarious edition of "Brian Good's absurd analogies". This was number 1124 in the series. Collect them all!

 
At 16 September, 2011 16:14, Blogger Ian said...

He didn't say he didn't see them. He claimed that he owns the fact that he saw them and says that he saw them. He doesn't own that fact. It belongs to everyone. If he wanted to own the fact he should have kept it quiet.

Brian, I didn't say I didn't see you masturbating to a photo of Willie Rodriguez while sniffing glue in Union Square, San Francisco last night.

 
At 16 September, 2011 16:15, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...I'm not hair splitting. It's quite clear: Dr. Astaneh-Asl said 'I saw melting of girders at World Trade Center.'"

No photos. No evidence. Par for the course. All we get is squealing.

I'll leave Ian to kick your ass, goat fucker. After all, he does such an outstanding job.

 
At 16 September, 2011 16:16, Blogger Ian said...

The evidence is that Dr. Astaneh-Asl said "I saw melting of girders at World Trade Center". There is also testimony of molten steel by many witnesses, including Leslie Robertson, who told a Stanford audience in 2002 that he saw "like a little river of molten steel."

False.

Brian, all this dumbspam is doing nothing but making you look like a deranged liar who sniffs glue and wears women's underwear. Maybe you're trying to create that impression?

 
At 16 September, 2011 16:17, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Ian wrote, "...Brian, I didn't say I didn't see you masturbating to a photo of Willie Rodriguez while sniffing glue in Union Square, San Francisco last night."

Can you imagine how many little old ladies the goat fucker has managed to traumatize over the years? The mind boggles!

All in a day's work for a deranged homosexual ass rapist.

 
At 16 September, 2011 16:26, Blogger snug.bug said...

So UtterFail, are you claiming that Dr. Astaneh was lying when he said he saw melting of girders?

The testimony of eyewitnesses is evidence. And what do you call this picture?
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/293/wtc7steelni7.jpg/sr=1

 
At 16 September, 2011 16:26, Blogger Ian said...

Hey Brian, remember how you used to babble endlessly about how there were pyroclastic flows at the WTC? That was a real hoot. How come you don't talk about that anymore?

I have to say, the volcano at the WTC has been really quiet over the last 10 years. There hasn't been any new activity, like a lava dome growing.

 
At 16 September, 2011 16:28, Blogger Ian said...

The testimony of eyewitnesses is evidence.

Notoriously unreliable evidence, especially since said eyewitnesses deny what you're claiming.

And what do you call this picture?
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/293/wtc7steelni7.jpg/sr=1


Steel.

 
At 16 September, 2011 18:08, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

He didn't say he didn't see them. He claimed that he owns the fact that he saw them and says that he saw them.

Are you into industrial at all?

 
At 16 September, 2011 18:57, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...And what do you call this picture?
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/293/wtc7steelni7.jpg/sr=1"


As predicted, you're trying to pass off sulfidized steel as "melting."

And why didn't you give the real source of the photo?

http://drjudywood.co.uk/articles/JJ/JJ5.html

Dr. Judy Wood?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And who took the photo?

Answer: Abolhassen Astaneh-Asl

The same Abolhassen Astaneh-Asl who wrote, "...No one should use that specific quote "molten metal" out of context, to indicate that I have seen molten metal and then use my good name and reputation as a researcher to conclude that there was a conspiracy."

FAIL.

 
At 16 September, 2011 19:44, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"UtterFool, Dr. Astaneh is a college professor. Are you claiming that he doesn't know what "melting of girders" means?"

In that interview you keep citing the good doctor also says that the steel weakened causing the collapse, and that it was to be expected as steel weakens when exposed to intense heat.

You're the one who's saying Dr. Astaneh is lying.

How much is Bush paying you to undermine the anti-war effort?

 
At 17 September, 2011 04:07, Blogger Mike Rosefierce said...

We need to open "new investigations" on a whole host of other fires.

I mean, look at all the reports of melted steel.

The gubmint musta dunnit.

 
At 17 September, 2011 07:17, Blogger Ian said...

So just to sum up, Brian is now desperately clinging to misstatements as some sort of evidence of....I don't even know what he's arguing at this point.

My mother has an identical twin sister. There have been a handful of times where I've accidentally called my aunt "mom". According to Brian Good, that means my aunt actually is my mom.

 
At 17 September, 2011 09:35, Blogger TANSTAAFL said...

" but all in all though I'm unwilling to stake my scientific reputation on it"

You do realize, do you not, that you are quite insnae?

 
At 17 September, 2011 13:05, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, I substantiate my claims. I don't substantiate them here because they will only be buried under lies from you and UtterFail and MGF.

Dr. Shyam Sunder, lead investigator for NIST, told NOVA that the towers came down in 9 seconds and 11 seconds. That's free fall.

UtterFail, the photo clearly shows melted steel. If you think it was sulfidized, you'll have to run scientific tests to prove it.

MGF, what Dr. Astaneh "also said" does not change the fact that he said "I saw melting of girders at World Trade Center".

TANSTAAFL, you may be sure that your concerns that I am "insnae" will get all the attention they deserve.

 
At 17 September, 2011 13:33, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"TANSTAAFL, you may be sure that your concerns that I am "insnae" will get all the attention they deserve."

Just ask the Palo Alto police. They know Brian well. 5150.

 
At 17 September, 2011 13:46, Blogger snug.bug said...

You're a liar. I know what a 5150 is from my security guard days. Probably I am best known to the Palo Alto police because when I find them questioning black people on the street I stop and insist on my right to observe their conduct.

There have been some rather spectacular instances in recent years of Palo Alto police getting too aggressive with the wrong black man, and I know a lawyer who got one of them a judgment that I believe was over $200,000.

 
At 17 September, 2011 13:58, Blogger snug.bug said...

I am also known to local police because when I waded into a crowd of 70,000 football fans with my big sign that said "Condi Lied Under Oath to the 9/11 Widows", bystanders called them in to protect my right to free speech from people they regarded as a threat to me.

 
At 17 September, 2011 14:36, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

a judgment that I believe was over $200,000.

Judgment or settlement?

 
At 17 September, 2011 14:57, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 17 September, 2011 15:00, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, I substantiate my claims. I don't substantiate them here because they will only be buried under lies from you and UtterFail and MGF.

Brian, this is the only place that allows you to post. All truther sites have banned you for being a liar and cross-dressing lunatic.

Dr. Shyam Sunder, lead investigator for NIST, told NOVA that the towers came down in 9 seconds and 11 seconds. That's free fall.

What did I just say about lying?

UtterFail, the photo clearly shows melted steel. If you think it was sulfidized, you'll have to run scientific tests to prove it.

No he doesn't. You're the one making the claim that's counter to all investigations. You go prove it.

MGF, what Dr. Astaneh "also said" does not change the fact that he said "I saw melting of girders at World Trade Center".

Nobody cares.

 
At 17 September, 2011 15:02, Blogger snug.bug said...

don't remember for sure, but I believe it was a judgment of $260,000.

2 police officers beat up a guy for being black while sitting in a car in the dark, and it turned out that he was related, by marriage, to a local defense attorney.

I am also known to the Menlo Park police department for protesting torture outside the church that Condi attends. The church tried to claim that they owned the sidewalk outside their church and the police tried to scare me away. When I wouldn't scare, the City Attorney came by in his Porsche, and after talking with him the cops told me "If they ever give you any more trouble, you be sure to give us a call."

 
At 17 September, 2011 15:05, Blogger Max said...

"There have been some rather spectacular instances in recent years of Palo Alto police getting too aggressive with the wrong black man, and I know a lawyer who got one of them a judgment that I believe was over $200,000."

You're a complete fucking idiot - but a funny one at least!

 
At 17 September, 2011 15:05, Blogger Ian said...

You're a liar. I know what a 5150 is from my security guard days. Probably I am best known to the Palo Alto police because when I find them questioning black people on the street I stop and insist on my right to observe their conduct.

I love all the various high-school dropout jobs that Brian has had that he couldn't hold onto. Security guard, janitor, construction worker. Probably garbage man too.

There have been some rather spectacular instances in recent years of Palo Alto police getting too aggressive with the wrong black man, and I know a lawyer who got one of them a judgment that I believe was over $200,000.

That's nice, Brian. It's also totally irrelevant to the question of whether 9/11 was an inside job. I guess it is relevant to your hilarious and desperate attempt to have us take you seriously.

 
At 17 September, 2011 15:06, Blogger Max said...

"the City Attorney came by in his Porsche"

Name? Date? Anything? Something other than you anal sex induced fantasies please.

 
At 17 September, 2011 15:07, Blogger Ian said...

I am also known to local police because when I waded into a crowd of 70,000 football fans with my big sign that said "Condi Lied Under Oath to the 9/11 Widows", bystanders called them in to protect my right to free speech from people they regarded as a threat to me.

Yeah, I'm sure that's it. I'm sure it had nothing to do with you barging into a Stanford football game and causing a disturbance.

Also, since when are your "free speech rights" violated when they throw you out of there? I can't curse and scream all I want at a sporting event because it's not a public event.

You're such a martyr, Brian. My heart bleeds for you. The Iranian Green Movement protesters have nothing on you.

 
At 17 September, 2011 15:08, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, I couldn't care less about having liars take me seriously.

 
At 17 September, 2011 15:09, Blogger Ian said...

Anyway, on the topic of Stanford football, what do you think of Andrew Luck, Brian? Better than John Elway?

 
At 17 September, 2011 15:09, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, I couldn't care less about having liars take me seriously.

And the martyr begins his campaign of squealing!

 
At 17 September, 2011 15:14, Blogger snug.bug said...

I don't care a whole lot about kid stuff like football anymore, Ian. When I was there protesting Condi, one of the coaches came by and told me "nobody cares". I think he's been fired.

 
At 17 September, 2011 15:19, Blogger Ian said...

I don't care a whole lot about kid stuff like football anymore, Ian. When I was there protesting Condi, one of the coaches came by and told me "nobody cares". I think he's been fired.

He's right. I've also been telling you that nobody cares. You're an unemployed lunatic who wears women's underwear and is a perverted stalker. Nobody cares about your babbling. You're just an annoyance to the coach, and a source of amusement to me.

And what makes you think he's been fired? Did Willie Rodriguez tell you that?

 
At 17 September, 2011 15:24, Blogger Ian said...

Anyone else notice that Brian is obsessed with Condi Rice? He never babbles about other Bush administration figures, like Cheney or Rumsfeld or Gonzales. It's always Rice.

It's just more evidence that he's a disgusting misogynist. Brian has been rejected by every woman he's ever lusted for, so now he hates women in general.

Brian, women reject you because you're a failure and a liar and a lunatic and a pervert.

 
At 17 September, 2011 15:51, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

Yep. 5150.

The response Brian gets is the same that police give any known mentally ill person they have frequent contact with, and they have frequent contact with Brian at the local shopping malls. They don't arrest him because they know he'll be back out on the street in hours because he's officially insane. So unless Brian breaks something or hurts someone they treat him like the village idiot.

 
At 17 September, 2011 16:31, Blogger paul w said...

Ya Gotta Love These Idiots

I love it when truthers start explaining the law to cops. Experts on everything, eh?

Then comes this corker; "There's no freedom of speech..."

This, after his mate has been screaming at passers by for god knows how long?

Also, the cop said was that he could speak all he liked, but could not hand out stuff unless people asked for it.

Now, this seems quite reasonable to me; freedom of speech, freedom to distribute material, and freedom for everyone else of not having the things thrust into their hands, but able to ask for, and receive it.

Damn that NZ police state!

 
At 17 September, 2011 18:18, Blogger snug.bug said...

Paul I guess you missed my story upthread about the cops who tried to chase me away from Condi's church who, after consultation with the City Attorney, told me that if the churchgoers gave me any more trouble I should call for police backup.

 
At 17 September, 2011 19:37, Blogger Jim said...

"Ya Gotta Love These Idiots"

Re that freak in New Zealand, what is it with the Creative Facial Hair?
Is this a prerequisite for being a conspiracy nut?

 
At 17 September, 2011 20:58, Blogger paul w said...

Creative facial hair. Tick.
Screaming at people. Tick.
Completely false theories. Tick.
Telling cops about the law. Tick.
Thinking NZ is a police state. Tick.
Want police when accosted. Tick.
Video tape everything. Tick.
Yup, truther.

 
At 17 September, 2011 21:40, Blogger Max said...

"Brian has been rejected by every woman he's ever lusted for, so now he hates women in general"

What's the over/under on the number of women buried in Brian's crawlspace?

 
At 18 September, 2011 05:13, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Any idea what the "fluoride head" comment is supposed to mean? Is he referring to the Fluoride Conspiracy or is that some kind of Kiwi insult?

 
At 18 September, 2011 09:22, Blogger Ian said...

Paul I guess you missed my story upthread about the cops who tried to chase me away from Condi's church who, after consultation with the City Attorney, told me that if the churchgoers gave me any more trouble I should call for police backup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYr6u-VXodk

Of course, Wesley Willis was far more intelligent, articulate, dignified, and kind-hearted than Brian could ever hope to be.

 
At 18 September, 2011 13:23, Blogger John said...

but all in all though I'm unwilling to stake my scientific reputation on it

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Funniest thing I've heard all weekend.

 
At 18 September, 2011 14:52, Blogger snug.bug said...

What's funny about it?

 
At 18 September, 2011 15:57, Blogger Ian said...

What's funny about it?

The idea that an unemployed janitor who believes in magic thermite elves has a scientific reputation is funny to us, Brian.

 
At 18 September, 2011 16:22, Blogger snug.bug said...

I wasn't asking you, liar.

 
At 18 September, 2011 16:34, Blogger Ian said...

I wasn't asking you, liar.

Squeal squeal squeal!

Poor Brian, he won't talk to me anymore because I've pwn3d him so many times. He still can't name a single time I've lied.

 
At 18 September, 2011 16:35, Blogger Ian said...

Anyway, Brian, I assume your noble acts of dissent at Condi Rice's church and at the Stanford football game have gotten the widows questions answered. Can you confirm that the widows have indeed had their questions answered? We all want to know.

 
At 18 September, 2011 16:48, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Adoring fans came and went, and there was nothing the bizarre elderly gentleman with nonsensical anti-Condi pamphlets could do about it. -- Was that you, snug?

 
At 18 September, 2011 17:23, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Answered my own question, pretty sure, based on photos from this other protest. How many Rice protests does Stanford hold in a year?

I can't imagine these kids with raging protest-mode hormones are ever too thrilled when the old guy shows up. Notice how they keep him at a safe distance.

 
At 18 September, 2011 19:43, Blogger snug.bug said...

Probably their German wasn't so hot, so they were a bit leery until they got it translated.

 
At 18 September, 2011 19:49, Blogger Ian said...

Probably their German wasn't so hot, so they were a bit leery until they got it translated.

More likely, they could see the Victoria's Secret thong you were wearing, and got creeped out.

 
At 18 September, 2011 20:02, Blogger snug.bug said...

You sure do like to fantasize about my underwear, don't you? And you a dung stub?

 
At 18 September, 2011 20:24, Blogger Ian said...

You sure do like to fantasize about my underwear, don't you? And you a dung stub?

Brian, I find it amusing that you wear women's underwear. It's just another element that makes you so hilarious, along with the fact that you're an unemployed janitor who stalks men (Rodriguez), women (Brouillet) and children (you were banned from wikipedia for obsessively editing the pages of Chinese olympic gymnasts).

Also, "and you a dung stub" is not English. Given your limited command of the language (for example, you think the NIST report says that the towers came down "essentially in free-fall"), it doesn't surprise me that you type this gibberish.

 
At 18 September, 2011 22:08, Blogger paul w said...

you were banned from wikipedia for obsessively editing the pages of Chinese olympic gymnasts

Typical when one is discussing truthers, I have no idea if that's a joke or not.

Really?

 
At 18 September, 2011 22:37, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, all of your allegations were lies except your statement that "you think the NIST report says that the towers came down 'essentially in free-fall.'"

That is what the NIST report says in section 6.14.4.

 
At 19 September, 2011 07:51, Blogger John said...

What's funny about it?

You don't have a scientific reputation.

 
At 19 September, 2011 09:30, Blogger snug.bug said...

How do you know?

 
At 19 September, 2011 09:46, Blogger John said...

Because no one backs up your "scientific" claims.

 
At 19 September, 2011 10:29, Blogger snug.bug said...

1583 architects and engineers are nobody? How many can you find you will stake their reputations on expressing confidence in NIST's findings? I only ever saw a list of about 20, and they all had business connections to NIST.

 
At 19 September, 2011 11:28, Blogger GuitarBill said...

AE 9/11 troof doesn't back your claims, goat fucker. You parrot AE 9/11 troof's malarkey. You, moreover, were kicked out of AE 9/11 troof--you lying degenerate.

 
At 19 September, 2011 11:31, Blogger John said...

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At 19 September, 2011 11:34, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, what makes you think I was kicked out of AE911Truth?

 
At 19 September, 2011 11:36, Blogger John said...

If they agree with the claims of 9/11 truth, then, yes, they are nobody. Since they are easily debunked by Popular Mechanics and the software engineers and students on this site, not to mention by Mark Roberts who is a TOUR GUIDE, I can't take them seriously.

Here is an example of one of your engineers, who is a no-planer.

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home/anders-bjorkman-s-world

Note that he thinks that not only did no plane hit the Pentagon, but that no planes hit WTC either. A claim that you disparage.

But the issue here is your so called scientific reputation. Is anyone talking about your rake on rake model? Or meatball on a fork? Or your thoughts on acceleration? Even at AE911truth? If I asked any of those "1583 architects and engineers" about you, would they even know who you are? You don't have a scientific reputation. The only reputation you have is that people think you're an idiot. That's why I found your claim hilarious.

 
At 19 September, 2011 11:38, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Goat fucker, I don't think you were kicked out of AE 911 troof. I know you were kicked out of 9/11 troof. Big difference--you lying sack-of-shit.

 
At 19 September, 2011 11:54, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, where did you get your information that I was kicked out of AE911Truth?

John, you should know that most of the "debunkers" who comment on this site just make stuff up and they lie and lie and lie. Why Pat and James allow their more careful work to be tarnished by association with such clowns I don't know.

For an example of the reliability of the Popular Mechanics "debunking" take a look at the section on WTC7 which, in the book, makes 3 (and only 3) claims about the collapses: that massive structural damage was a factor, that the transfer trusses bridging the electrical substations were a factor, and that diesel fuel tanks were a factor. NIST has repudiated every one of those claims. Three strikes for PM. Their book is a joke.

 
At 19 September, 2011 12:00, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...where did you get your information that I was kicked out of AE911Truth?"

The same place where you obtained your alleged "scientific reputation."

Since when does a marginally connected to reality college dropout who wears women's underwear have a "scientific reputation"?

 
At 19 September, 2011 12:04, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...NIST has repudiated every one of those claims. Three strikes for PM. Their book is a joke."

Cherry picking the NIST Report and contradicting yourself again, Mr. Bogus "scientific reputation"?

You couldn't pass a formal examination in elementary logic. You don't have a so-called "scientific reputation," you're a logic cesspool.

 
At 19 September, 2011 12:14, Blogger John said...

John, you should know that most of the "debunkers" who comment on this site just make stuff up and they lie and lie and lie.

No, I actually know that all of the debunkers here and elsewhere are telling the truth. The only people on this site who think they lie are you, Jon Gold and Pat Cowardly. in other words, truthers.

I have thought about 9/11 truth a lot over the past 7 years. Everything the debunkers say make sense, and is backed up by evidence and competent professional opinions. Everything you say is pure conjecture, and is only backed up by other truthers' conjectures. And everything they claim can be easily explained away by much simpler explanations that you are too stupid to see.

But the issue, since you've seem to have forgotten is your "scientific reputation". To emphasize it again, you don't have one.

 
At 19 September, 2011 12:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, you are refusing to back up your claims, and in fact you are even suggesting that your own claims are hooey.

Sure, cherry-picking the NIST report. 3 cherries gets the jackpot and Popular Mechanics loses.

John in your 7 years of thought you have obviously not given enough thought to the laws of thermodynamics and Newton's laws. You also probably believe a lot of nonsense from outfits like PM that is just not true. It is commonly believed by debunkers that thermite can not make vertical cuts. Jonathan Cole has shown that it can.

 
At 19 September, 2011 12:56, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 19 September, 2011 13:12, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...you are refusing to back up your claims, and in fact you are even suggesting that your own claims are hooey."

No, wrong again, cretin. It's called a joke--you know, like every word you've ever written to SLC.

You know damned well who exposed you--you God damned liar. So take your loaded question and shove it, Pinocchio.

The goat fucker squeals, "...Sure, cherry-picking the NIST report. 3 cherries gets the jackpot and Popular Mechanics loses."

Wrong again, cretin. In terms of the alleged "conspiracy," Popular Mechanics is right, and da troof is a pile of crap.

And yes, you are cherry picking the NIST Report. You agree with the NIST Report when it helps you "win" a "debate," and you reject the NIST Report because you're a deranged liar and sex stalker who wears women's underwear. That's called cognitive dissonance, dipshit.

Again, you couldn't pass a formal examination in elementary logic.

 
At 19 September, 2011 15:01, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 19 September, 2011 16:17, Blogger snug.bug said...

The only thing that makes your claim that I was thrown out of AE911Truth is a joke is because you are a joke. You still can't explain why the claim that 424,000 tons of concrete was pulverized is absurd. You don't know what you're talking about and you make shit up. You lie like an 8-year old girl who thinks it's funny.

 
At 19 September, 2011 16:18, Blogger paul w said...

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At 19 September, 2011 16:20, Blogger paul w said...

OT:

Nutbar from the 911oz crowd is interviewed on radio.

A 9/11 debunker was also on air, but was poor - he said a plane 'probably' hit the Pentagon, and such.

Anyway, from the very start, the lies begin, one after another, the usual barrage of 'facts'. Unbelievable.

This is just one segments of the show. Couldn't be bothered listening to the rest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n0kZ8HQXClM

 
At 19 September, 2011 16:30, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...You still can't explain why the claim that 424,000 tons of concrete was pulverized is absurd."

The NRDC's claim isn't "absurd."

On the contrary, your insistence that I prove or disprove your propaganda is absurd.

See what I mean? You couldn't pass a formal examination in elementary logic.

When will you learn, jackass? It's not incumbent on me to prove or disprove your lies.

You tell us why the NRDC's claim that "424,000 tons of concrete was pulverized is absurd," and I'll prove that you're lying.

Go for it, gay boi.

 
At 19 September, 2011 16:49, Blogger snug.bug said...

The NRDC's claim is absurd. And since you don't know the first thing about the construction of the WTC, you haven't a clue as to why it's absurd.

 
At 19 September, 2011 16:53, Blogger Ian said...

Typical when one is discussing truthers, I have no idea if that's a joke or not.

Really?


I'm not sure if that was the only thing that got him banned. He was also, surprise!, obsessively editing the pages for Willie Rodriguez and Kevin Barrett.

 
At 19 September, 2011 16:55, Blogger snug.bug said...

How do you know? It's not like I was the only person in the world with internet access who knew that Willie was a liar and Kevin was a bigot and a liar.

 
At 19 September, 2011 16:55, Blogger Ian said...

John, you should know that most of the "debunkers" who comment on this site just make stuff up and they lie and lie and lie. Why Pat and James allow their more careful work to be tarnished by association with such clowns I don't know.

My, such squealing!

The only thing that makes your claim that I was thrown out of AE911Truth is a joke is because you are a joke.

So Brian admits he was thrown out of AE911Truth for stalking Carol Brouillet with the organization's computers.

 
At 19 September, 2011 16:58, Blogger Ian said...

The NRDC's claim is absurd. And since you don't know the first thing about the construction of the WTC, you haven't a clue as to why it's absurd.

We should listen to him. He's the chair of the civil engineering department at Carnegie Mellon.

Oh wait no, he's an unemployed janitor who calls people "girls" and babbles about invisible widows.

 
At 19 September, 2011 17:03, Blogger Ian said...

How do you know? It's not like I was the only person in the world with internet access who knew that Willie was a liar and Kevin was a bigot and a liar.

Of course it wasn't you, Brian. It was the other person who lives at your Palo Alto address and has a lunatic obsession with Rodriguez, Barrett, and Carol Brouillet.

Anyway, the really funny part is your obsession with the Chinese gymnasts. Who knew?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/67.85.126.95

 
At 19 September, 2011 17:08, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...The NRDC's claim is absurd. And since you don't know the first thing about the construction of the WTC, you haven't a clue as to why it's absurd."

The NRDC"s claim is not absurd. Your argument is absurd.

So when do YOU plan to stop making 100% fact-free assertions and substantiate your bogus propaganda, goat fucker?

I've forgotten more about the construction of the WTC than you'll ever know.

 
At 19 September, 2011 17:13, Blogger Ian said...

Here's the talk page for when Brian got banned for vandalizing the pages of Chinese gymnasts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:63.199.155.82&action=history

 
At 19 September, 2011 17:15, Blogger Ian said...

Now Brian will tell us "I share my IP address with lots of people".

Apparently there are many people in Palo Alto with lunatic obsessions with Willie Rodriguez, Kevin Barrett, and Carol Brouillet. Who knew?

 
At 19 September, 2011 17:21, Blogger Ian said...

It's also funny to look at the various pages Brian edited. It's a self-parody of the kinds of stuff a burnt-out fossil of the 1960s left would be into.

So Brian, how much acid did you do back then? It might explain why your brain is not working properly.

 
At 19 September, 2011 17:21, Blogger Unknown said...

Ian said...
Anyway, the really funny part is your obsession with the Chinese gymnasts. Who knew?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/67.85.126.95

19 September, 2011 17:03


That's in New Jersey. All these people Carol, Brian, Willy, etc are in New Jersey?

 
At 19 September, 2011 17:25, Blogger GuitarBill said...

His obsession with Chinese gymnasts should surprise no one.

Is anyone really surprised that a bisexual sex stalker is obsessed by skinny little girls with boy butts?

%^)

 
At 19 September, 2011 17:30, Blogger anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

His obsession with Chinese gymnasts should surprise no one.

Is anyone really surprised that a bisexual sex stalker is obsessed by skinny little girls with boy butts?

%^)

19 September, 2011 17:25


Rare to see that much unfounded horseshit outside of CoS and related orgs. You contradicted some if not all of your so called points.

 
At 19 September, 2011 17:33, Blogger GuitarBill said...

It's not surprising that the goat fucker would resort to sock puppets after making dozens of 100% fact-free assertions.

Do you honestly think you're fooling us, goat fucker?

 
At 19 September, 2011 17:35, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"1583 architects and engineers are nobody?"

Statistically: Yes.

The estimate of architects in the US is 233,000. 1583 is around .01%. Even when you apply the "10% Rule" (10% of any large body of people will be nutjobs and idiots) the A&E for bullshit doesn't even register as a statistical hemroid.

Also...watching episodes of Star Trek doesn't give you scientific credibility.

 
At 19 September, 2011 17:45, Blogger anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

It's not surprising that the goat fucker would resort to sock puppets after making dozens of 100% fact-free assertions.

Do you honestly think you're fooling us, goat fucker?

19 September, 2011 17:33


Apparently. Considering I'm not "the goat fucker". Paranoia will destroy ya!

This is why "Screw Loose Change" is an over rated backwater, just like the conspiracies it claims to expose: its run by two paranoid right-wing freaks and packed with more paranoid fanboi freaks who think anyone who calls them on their shit is a sockpuppet. That's cult thinking. Its just as bad as the twoofer cult they claim to be debunking.
If you were honest about it that'd be one thing, but you pretend to be profound. You're not. You're a tea bagger wanna be fanboi trolling for lulz. Get over yourself.

 
At 19 September, 2011 17:47, Blogger Ian said...

This is why "Screw Loose Change" is an over rated backwater, just like the conspiracies it claims to expose: its run by two paranoid right-wing freaks and packed with more paranoid fanboi freaks who think anyone who calls them on their shit is a sockpuppet. That's cult thinking. Its just as bad as the twoofer cult they claim to be debunking.
If you were honest about it that'd be one thing, but you pretend to be profound. You're not. You're a tea bagger wanna be fanboi trolling for lulz. Get over yourself.


It's funny how most truthers post stuff that's even dumber than what Brian comes up with.

 
At 19 September, 2011 17:51, Blogger GuitarBill said...

No, it's not "cult thinking." We know you, goat fucker. And your history of using sock puppets to create confusion and show "support" for your cockamamie BS is more than well-established.

So when do you plan to substantiate your propaganda with facts, goat fucker?

 
At 19 September, 2011 17:51, Blogger anonymous said...

Another sign of paranoid cult thinking of readers: no one else is going to call Ian on dropping ip docs that are supposed to be one person but on opposite sides of the continent? And no, neither one is a proxy...
You're all just going to nod your heads and agree because that's what cultists do; get each other's backs, right or wrong.

This is why when people ask me about this blog I tell them "Don't bother..go straight to JREF."

 
At 19 September, 2011 17:53, Blogger anonymous said...

Ian said...


It's funny how most truthers post stuff that's even dumber than what Brian comes up with.

19 September, 2011 17:47


Do they? Where do they do that?

 
At 19 September, 2011 17:56, Blogger anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

No, it's not "cult thinking." We know you, goat fucker. And your history of using sock puppets to create confusion and show "support" for your cockamamie BS is more than well-established.

So when do you plan to substantiate your propaganda with facts, goat fucker?

19 September, 2011 17:51


You KNOW me? Prove it. Unless you're trying to prove to the Interwebs you're dumbass...in which case you're there, dude.

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:01, Blogger anonymous said...

And when Ian isn't busy trying to back up another fanboi's lies, maybe he can explain how someone can be in New Jersey and California AT THE SAME TIME.
All your base, dumbass.

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:03, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...And when Ian isn't busy trying to back up another fanboi's lies, maybe he can explain how someone can be in New Jersey and California AT THE SAME TIME."

Create an account at optonline.net and post through their proxy server.

Any questions, jackass?

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:07, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Question, goat fucker: How many cubic yards of concrete were used to construct the World Trade Center Towers? Please convert cubic yards to tons (or metric tons, if you prefer).

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

So much for your lies.

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:12, Blogger anonymous said...

Guitar F@g said
Create an account at optonline.net and post through their proxy server.

Any questions, jackass?

19 September, 2011 18:03


You're saying that this Brian guy being a complete failure in your opinion, now has proxy fu? And lets say he CAN, how would Ian know that?

Lol, nice try but face it your pal Ian is JUST WRONG and you're trying to cover for him.

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:15, Blogger anonymous said...

GuitarF@g said...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

So much for your lies.

19 September, 2011 18:07


Says the guy who wildly invents shit about people, lied about knowing me and tries to cover for his buds when they screw up.
You could have said: "Hey, don't think that's right, this is why" but another sign of cultists is they can't admit when they're wrong.

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:18, Blogger GuitarBill said...

I know, goat fucker, you'll never answer the question because to do so will prove that you're a liar.

The World Trade Center Towers were constructed with 425,000 cubic yards of concrete. There are 2400 kg/cubic meter. That means the World Trade Center Towers were constructed with 780,000 metric tons of concrete (ie., 744,000 short tons).

So much for your "424,000 tons of concrete was pulverized is absurd" malarkey.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Cretin.

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:19, Blogger anonymous said...

Ian which is it, California or New Jersey? Or did you pull both IP's out of your ass because you thought no one would catch you?
Seriously, assuming they aren't random, how did Ian get these ips? Is he emailing people, getting them to respond? Who are the stalkers again?

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:21, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...Lol, nice try but face it your pal Ian is JUST WRONG and you're trying to cover for him."

You asked for an explanation, goat fucker, and I gave it to you.

You used a proxy server in order to get around Wikipedia's IP address ban.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Cretin.

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:25, Blogger anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

I know, goat fucker, you'll never answer the question because to do so will prove that you're a liar.

The World Trade Center Towers were constructed with 425,000 cubic yards of concrete. There are 2400 kg/cubic meter. That means the World Trade Center Towers were constructed with 780,000 metric tons of concrete (ie., 744,000 short tons).

So much for your "424,000 tons of concrete was pulverized is absurd" malarkey.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Cretin.

19 September, 2011 18:18


Who is this retard talking to? Seriously, he's making anyone who questions the goals of the "truth movement" look like an idiot. Fuck off.

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:25, Blogger J Rebori said...

"but another sign of cultists is they can't admit when they're wrong."

You mean like when Brian "snugbug" Good keeps insisting that impeachment is removal from office or that international treaties trump the US Constitution in US law even after having the proof they are both incorrect statements shown to him repeatedly?

Is that the type of cultist behavior you are talking about?

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:27, Blogger anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

"...Lol, nice try but face it your pal Ian is JUST WRONG and you're trying to cover for him."

You asked for an explanation, goat fucker, and I gave it to you.

You used a proxy server in order to get around Wikipedia's IP address ban.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Cretin.

19 September, 2011 18:21


ROTFLOL. Then how would you and Ian know who it was? DUMBASS LYING F@GG0T

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:30, Blogger GuitarBill said...

So goat fucker, how long have you been obsessed with malnourished Asian girls who have no tits and boy butts?

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:36, Blogger anonymous said...

J Rebori said...

"but another sign of cultists is they can't admit when they're wrong."

You mean like when Brian "snugbug" Good keeps insisting that impeachment is removal from office or that international treaties trump the US Constitution in US law even after having the proof they are both incorrect statements shown to him repeatedly?

Is that the type of cultist behavior you are talking about?

19 September, 2011 18:25


Being wrong by itself isn't cult behavior. It when lies are deliberatly used to excuse hypocrisy by the org. Like KSW. Example: this foaming tard called Bill keeps saying I'm Brian: he knows he's making that up, at the best wildly guessing. But he keeps saying it and no one calls him on it. KSW.
Or Ian gave two ip address for this Brian person, I called him on it and instead of just admitting he's wrong, Bill jumps in to back him up with a possible explanation, but it still doesn't answer WHY Ian decided those Ips were the same person's in the first place. This isn't a simple misstatement of a fact we can look up. This is made up bs for one purpose: KSW.

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:37, Blogger anonymous said...

GuitarF@G said...

So goat fucker, how long have you been obsessed with malnourished Asian girls who have no tits and boy butts?

19 September, 2011 18:30


Making up shit, aka LYING, again.

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:41, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Try to bury your latest humiliating defeat (see my post at time stamp 19 September, 2011 18:18) in dumbpam, goat fucker?

Of course you are.

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:45, Blogger anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

Try to bury your latest humiliating defeat (see my post at time stamp 19 September, 2011 18:18) in dumbpam, goat fucker?

Of course you are.

19 September, 2011 18:41


Is that the one you think you're addressing me because you're too much of a tard to realize I'm not this "goat fucker" guy?

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:50, Blogger snug.bug said...

Pay no attention to anonymous. I am the only anonymous. Everrbody knows I post everything in cyberspace that has anything to do with William Rodriguez, Kevin Barrett, Carol Brouillet, Craig Ranke, and Chinese gymnasts. I do it all from my bank of 60 computers that employ a 24/7 staff of highly trained operatives--and all from the same IP address, except when we're using proxy servers of course.

That is all.

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:51, Blogger anonymous said...

snug.bug said...

Pay no attention to anonymous. I am the only anonymous. Everrbody knows I post everything in cyberspace that has anything to do with William Rodriguez, Kevin Barrett, Carol Brouillet, Craig Ranke, and Chinese gymnasts. I do it all from my bank of 60 computers that employ a 24/7 staff of highly trained operatives--and all from the same IP address, except when we're using proxy servers of course.

That is all.

19 September, 2011 18:50


LOL

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:52, Blogger snug.bug said...

Oh that's not all. When I use
"impeachment" to mean "the process by which presidents are removed from office" I am following the practice established by the NYT and WaPo. Your pedantry on subject, JR, was motivated solely by your wish for revenge because I have so many times demonstrated that when it comes to 9/11 you don't know what you're talking about.

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:53, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...Is that the one you think you're addressing me because you're too much of a tard to realize I'm not this "goat fucker" guy?"

Your feigned righteous indignation betrays you, goat fucker.

So tell us more about your non-existent "math skills," douchebag.

 
At 19 September, 2011 18:57, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, you have worked yourself into such a witch-burning tizzy that anything someone does or doesn't do you imagine to be evidence of guilt. Imagine yourself at your wife's funeral and everybody's judging that you killed her because you cry too much or you don't cry enough.

 
At 19 September, 2011 19:00, Blogger anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...Is that the one you think you're addressing me because you're too much of a tard to realize I'm not this "goat fucker" guy?"

Your feigned righteous indignation betrays you, goat fucker.

19 September, 2011 18:53


How do you figure that quote is indignation? Its just amazing you're such a tard. Or a liar. or both. LOL

 
At 19 September, 2011 19:01, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Your not a "witch." You're a bitch. And a lying bitch at that.

So tell us more about your non-existent "math skills," douchebag.

 
At 19 September, 2011 19:04, Blogger anonymous said...

Who is GuitarF@G talking to now? Or who does he imagine he's talking to now? Lol

 
At 19 September, 2011 19:07, Blogger GuitarBill said...

How does Ian know that the goat fucker edited the Chinese gymnast entries?

What's this, goat fucker?

"...(rv back to wowest version. Contrivance obsession with Barrett is already vandalism in other pages.)"

Source: Wikipedia.

As anyone who's familiar with the subject knows, the goat fucker is "Contrivance."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Cretin.

 
At 19 September, 2011 19:10, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker dissembles, "...Who is GuitarF@G talking to now? Or who does he imagine he's talking to now? Lol."

I'm talking to you, goat fucker.

So how does it feel to be exposed again--you sex stalking creep?

 
At 19 September, 2011 19:10, Blogger anonymous said...

Final verdict? Its bad.
See ya at JREF.

 

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