High Rise Safety Initiative Collapses at Freefall Speed
Once again, the ineptitude of the Truthers is revealed:
Accordingly, it is hereby,No doubt they will make brave noises about learning from their mistakes on this one and attempt to get on the ballot yet again with a new petition, if people will just send them another $150,000.
ORDERED that petitioners' written application to reject in part and confirm in part the Report and Recommendation of Special Referee Lois Crespo, dated September 15, 2014 is denied and the Report and Recommendation is confirmed in its entirety, and it is further,
ORDERED that consisten with the Report and Recommendation of Special Referee Louis Crespo the Court declares that the petitioners Referendum Petition is invalid, void, and prohibited from the November 4, 2014 ballot....
Update: Ted Walter finally acknowledges defeat.
As it turned out, our financing plan was not bulletproof. While drafting the petition, we and our attorneys did not anticipate the problems that would eventually become clear – namely, that the .9% surcharge on construction permit fees could be construed as a “tax” that the City is not authorized to impose, rather than a “fee” (which the City can impose without state approval), and that having a fund to set aside moneys to be used in future years could be found to violate the balanced budget requirement of the Financial Emergency Act, which prohibits the City from rolling over unused funds from year to year.While holding out the hope that the next time around will be the charm:
In short, we believe the “merely advisory” issue is winnable on appeal. But, given the short timeframe for that appeal to take place (at most a few days) and the likelihood of losing on the issue of the financing plan, it is almost inevitable that the appellate division would simply affirm the lower court’s decision. This would have the consequence of cementing the court’s finding on the “merely advisory” issue, thus making it impossible to attempt another ballot initiative with a revised financing plan in the future. While we do not know at this time if we will pursue another ballot initiative, we do not want to make another attempt impossible by appealing now when we have virtually no chance of winning.
posted by Pat @ 9:57 AM
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70 Comments:
LMAO they'll keep doing this to raise money and then blow the money on some stupid billboard about a building that doesn't have anything to do with the attacks. Dumb asses don't know shit about collateral damage.
Not only that, they also failed to show the complete collapse on that billboard..
But Brian will argue that they didn't do it on purpose..
Brian will be here soon, and he'll be squealing and crying about how the truth movement isn't dead, and hasn't failed at everything it has ever attempted.
Of course, given that Brian is unemployed and lives with his parents, his definition of "success" is very different from normal people's.
we do not want to make another attempt impossible by appealing now when we have virtually no chance of winning.
Now who used the word "Winning" alot? Oh that's right Charlie Sheen.
Also why can't Brian enjoy the simpler life of being a railfan?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiJENP7pYqw
Stewie, I can't enjoy being a railfan because the widows are still waiting for answers to 91% of their 300 questions.
That would be piggy.
Why do you believe that the widows care about what you do, Brian...
Sorry, I have to post something from another thread because I can't stop laughing at it:
So what is your point? Why are you clowns obsessed with me? Is it because I know about 9/11 and you don't? Is it because I am rational and you are not? If you don't like exposing your ignorance and irrationality, then just quit posting.
Brian has been squealing hysterically at this blog while we ridicule him mercilessly for almost 6 years now, but this is probably the most pathetic bit of squealing Brian has ever done here.
Too bad he doesn't take his own advice and quit posting. But given that he has no job, no friends, no romantic life, and has been banned from the truth movement, he'd have nothing else to do with his life if he didn't post here.
Stewie, I can't enjoy being a railfan because the widows are still waiting for answers to 91% of their 300 questions.
The widows have no questions.
Skidmark, you lie. The widows have 273 questions that the 9/11 Commission did not answer.
You haven't proven that the widows still have unanswered questions, Brian.
That is one of the issues with you: you hardly prove anything you are stating.
And even if the widows did have questions: your behavior does not help them in getting answers...
Skidmark, you lie. The widows have 273 questions that the 9/11 Commission did not answer.
False.
Stewie, I can't enjoy being a railfan because the widows are still waiting for answers to 91% of their 300 questions.
You know Brian. Those questions are like being hit by a train cause no one gives a flying fuck anymore.
th, I have proven many times that the widows have 273 unanswe4ed questions. Go to Appendix 4 at justicefor911.org to see the list.
You are simply contrary. All you do is dispute what I say. You don't know what you're talking about, and I do know what I'm talking about.
My behavior certainly aids their quest for answers: I slap down deliberate liars like Skidmark and his useful idiots like you so that non one will be fooled.
Stewie, thank you for declaring that you don't care about the widows' frustration. The widows care, and they are not "no one". I care and I am not "no one". You can go ahead and be no one if you want, but it would be nicer if you wouldn't lie while you're doing it.
I have proven many times that the widows have 273 unanswe4ed questions.
You came with some list from a abandoned truther website that contained all kinds of unrelated questions about papers from think tanks and oil pipes in the middle east..
You haven't proven that the widows are still waiting for questions to get answered.
All you do is dispute what I say.
Quite logical, since you come with all kinds of made up stuff that contradicts itself.
You don't know what you're talking about, and I do know what I'm talking about.
The usual bladiebla, Brian...
My behavior certainly aids their quest for answers:
Nope, it is 14 years since 911, and not a single question of your list got answered thanks to your effort.
I slap down
Slapping down people is not very productive, Brian...
Stewie, thank you for declaring that you don't care about the widows' frustration.
Why give a shit about questions NOT relating to 9/11?
You can go ahead and be no one if you want, but it would be nicer if you wouldn't lie while you're doing it.
Sure and look who dodges, weaves and ducks when the truth about Carol, Kevin and Willie are brought up.
th, I have proven many times that the widows have 273 unanswe4ed questions.
False.
My behavior certainly aids their quest for answers: I slap down deliberate liars like Skidmark and his useful idiots like you so that non one will be fooled.
Bad news, Brian. I polled the 150,000 unique daily visitors to this site. 91% say the widows have no questions. You fail again.
Stewie, thank you for declaring that you don't care about the widows' frustration
Stewie is not the only one. Nobody cares about your "widows".
The widows care, and they are not "no one".
They're lying floozies who tried to use the oh-so-convenient events of 9/11 to become rich and famous like the Kardashians. Fortunately, America saw through them. America wins again, and the "widows" lose.
I care and I am not "no one".
You have no job and live with your parents. You're the dictionary definition of "nobody".
th, you lie. Justicefor911.org is not an abandoned website.
Your belief that I contradict myself is based entirely on your own lack of reading comprehension--which is surely no secret to you.
Stewie, which of the widows' 273 unanswered questions did not relate to 9/11? Perhaps if you had a law degree (as two of them do) you would better understand criteria of relevance.
When did the widows lie? Thanks for calling them "floozies" and showing your contempt for the victims of 9/11.
How do you know I have no job and live with my parents? Did Ian tell you that? And you believed him? Lyin Ian?
th, you lie. Justicefor911.org is not an abandoned website.
Yes it is, the last update is of 2009, the copyright is of 2004.
It is not an active website.
Your belief that I contradict
It is not a belief, but a proven fact.
which of the widows' 273 unanswered questions did not relate to 9/11?
Questions about oil pipe lines in the middle east and questions about articles from think tanks for example.
Not related to 911.
Perhaps if you had a law degree (as two of them do) you would better understand criteria of relevance.
Your usual bladiebla.
th, you lie. Justicefor911.org is not an abandoned website.
False.
Stewie, which of the widows' 273 unanswered questions did not relate to 9/11? Perhaps if you had a law degree (as two of them do) you would better understand criteria of relevance.
The widows have no questions.
When did the widows lie?
Everywhere.
Thanks for calling them "floozies" and showing your contempt for the victims of 9/11.
Nobody cares about your so-called "widows".
How do you know I have no job and live with my parents? Did Ian tell you that? And you believed him? Lyin Ian?
Poor Brian. I pwn3d him again.
th, your belief that justicefor911.org has been "abandoned" is absurd. They are still collecting signatures for the petition.
When did you ever prove that I contradict myself? Your belief that I do is surely based on your demonstrated analytical incompetence. If you make the stupid claim that explosives could not have been installed in the buildings because office workers would have noticed, and I point out that office workers did not have access to the elevator shafts, that does not mean that I believe that explosives were planted in the elevator shafts. You seem to have problems in processing very basic stuff.
What makes you think questions about oil pipelines and papers of think tanks are irrelevant to 9/11?
It's a real hoot that you think "criteria of relevance" is "bladiebla". Have you considered going to law school to improve your mind?
Ian, you lie and lie and lie and lie. Why you think it is clever to lie about 9/11 is a mystery to me.
th and Stewie and Ian all deserve a big hand of applause for demonstrating the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the "debunker" community. Thanks, guys, you prove my points with every post.
If your point is that you are as irrelevant as the truth movement, then you are correct. I've been reading this give and take for awhile, brian you are so naive you don't know how naive you are. PAPD secured the site putz. Talking of access to elevator shafts is as dumb a notion as one could imagine.
Your effort to substitute invective for substance is quite comical.
I guess you never heard about the elevator renovation project at the WTC during the 9 months preceding 9/11.
Yes, the renovation project allowed unfettered access with unknown materials into the elevator shafts. Only the collosally idiotic would believe such a thing. Brian, security didn't allow access to any part of the complex without authorization and proper credential. If we assume for a second that security failed and allowed guys with explosive materiel
And/or thermite access, the entire investigative body of the PAPD and NYPD as well as FDNY would be all over it.
When did they get in?, when the cleaning lady went home? Your an idiot Brian. That you think your view is valid is beyond reasonable comprehension.
Since there is no substance to your claims , either from an evidentiary point of view or a circumstantial one, I'm left with nothing but invective dopey.
What's comical is you think you are actually winning this debate. I know it's been awhile, but I especially like your cowardly avoidance of the math you were asked to exhibit a few months ago by somebody who correctly mocked your lack of expertise. you resorted to an adolescent retort of "if NIST doesn't show the math why should I? Brian, do you realize how childish this is? (Clearly not). A man of integrity would say he isn't an expert and can't do the calculation. you so obviously can't do the calc but your stupidity can't admit it. Guess what jackass, we all know you can't do the math. Your a fool. No need to be more descriptive than that.
Just to clarify, you know about the elevator renovation project but the PAPD didn't know who was accessing the elevators? Is that your claim?
Your belief that PAPD had the ability to police the WTC's 15 miles of elevator shafts 24/7 is a real hoot, Shamrock.
I guess you never heard of college students' fad of "elevator surfing"--breaking into elevator shafts and riding the tops of the cars.
50,000 people worked at the WTC on the day shift. Do you think PAPD checked the credentials of every one? Construction materials such as drywall, drywall mud, carpet, and paint were constantly going into the building. Do you think the PAPD unrolled every roll of carpet to inspect inside? Did they open up every 5-gallon bucket of paint and strain the paint? Did they open up every computer monitor, every computer case, every file cabinet before it went in?
There is nothing childish about refusing to do calculations that NIST did not themselves do. And you have to consider the source of the challenge--who surely had a history of issuing challenges and then lying about it when I met them.
I'm struggling with the staggering stupidity of your post. The amount of material required going into the elevator would require a bit more access then pulling down panels. Just so I have this straight, guys looking like office workers, carrying only pack packs loaded with thermite and explosives pulled down panel with those 50,000 actual office workers milling about, accessing the elevator shafts while actual elevator renovation work was being done. And you think that's plausible?
Oh it's childish Brian. That you think the sims don't utilize the calculations you refuse to do Brian proves what a liar you are. But regardless, ts clear you can't do the calc and instead of being a man and admitting it, you resort to adolescent excuses.
I'd like to emphasize the point Brian. You are claiming the planners snuck into the shafts during a time The elevator renovation had elevator repair men actually working in the elevator shafts?? Do I have that right? you don't subscribe to plausibility do you?
It seems that that you are struglling not with my putative stupidity as you claim but with your own confusion of your own ignorance of construction procedures with knowledge of what is and is not possible.
Your belief that bombers could not look like office workers is absurd. Your belief that bombers needed to look like office workers is equally absurd. (Now th will stupidly accuse me of contradicting myself.)
Your belief that because I don't do the calcs therefore I can't do the calcs is also absurd. I don't own a Rolex. Do you regard that as proof that I couldn't buy a Rolex if I wanted to?
I never claimed that the planners snuck into the elevator shaft.
You guys need to take the time to learn to distinguish among axioms, assumptions, educated guesses, speculations, inferences, opinions, hypotheses, theories, claims, and facts.
You are a loon. You made several baseless assertions in one fell swoop. Well if you say so. Men with explosive material pulled down panels with office workers about, rigged the tons of materials in elevator shafts that had elevator tepIr men in them. Plausible in lunatic town. No where else.
You need to take the time to actually prove and verify your assertions. Speculating that because college kids elevator surf men with bombs can access the shafts is the ranting of an idiot.
You never claimed the bombers snuck into the elevator shafts. Great. Glad we agree. Nobody entered the elevator shafts. Speculating that men could have is moot since nobody is claiming they did.
Sure bombers could look like office workers. It's the part where they are carrying explosive material and get access to the sensitive parts of the bkdg enmasse where your idiotic speculation falls apart. That and ignoring the part where the elevator repair guys shared the sensitive parts of the bldg with the bombers and didn't notice them that makes your speculation increasingly ignorant.
You make no sense. What is this fetish you have with "panels"? Do you think there were panels in the elevator shafts?
What makes you think tons of materials were necessary? If FEMA's theory is right, less than a hundred pounds of thermite and/or explosives would have been needed to bring each tower down.
Elevator repair men were working where they were working. They certainly weren't in a position to patrol 15 miles of elevator shafts 24/7.
Your belief that nobody entered the elevator shafts is just more of your lazy and ignorant absurdity. The elevator mechanics were working in there for 9 months before 9/11.
So you think guys who are dressed like office workers couldn't take some coveralls out of their attache cases and then look like elevator mechanics?
Who needs explosive materials "enmasse"? FEMA said a very few failing components could bring the towers down, and Dr. Van Romero, an explosives expert, said a few charges in key places could do the job.
Do you really think that 80 elevator mechanics who had work to do could patrol 15 miles of elevator shafts 24/7?
You don't know what you're talking about and you make stuff up.
So are you saying the bombers entered the shafts or not?
Do u say very few failing components could have felled the bkdg?
I haven't made anything up. You are asserting absurd scenarios deuchy, I'm not.
So your assertion of elevator renovation was moot as the bombers needn't any guide to get in anyway. So why bring it up?
Again bri, do you agree with FEMA's claim or are you cherry picking them for this particular discussion?
The thread is yours. Gotta go. Can't wait for more speculative, baseless bull shit.
You gotta go all right. Try to pick up some logic skills while you're out.
Stewie, which of the widows' 273 unanswered questions did not relate to 9/11? Perhaps if you had a law degree (as two of them do) you would better understand criteria of relevance.
No one cares about that shit any more Brian cause it's irrelevent.
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Which of the widows' 273 unanswered questions are irrelevant and why are they irrelevant?
The 9/11 Commission was charged "to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks."
How could they prepare a full and complete account when they didn't answer the widows' questions?
What makes the 9/11 Commission's failure to do its job "irrelevant"? Irrelevant to what?
Which of the widows' 273 unanswered questions are irrelevant and why are they irrelevant?
You along with ALL OF THEM!
The 9/11 Commission was charged "to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks."
And who thought of the 9/11 Commission?
How could they prepare a full and complete account when they didn't answer the widows' questions?
They've answered their questions regarding the buildings. The other questions were about how their relatives died and how it can be prevented in the future. You don't give a shit about the widows Brian. You're using them for your own gain! Fucking user!
What makes the 9/11 Commission's failure to do its job "irrelevant"? Irrelevant to what?
That you're here asking questions to which has no reference nor irrelevant issue about the buildings.
Stewie, WHY are the widows' 273 unanswered questions irrelevant? Irrelevant to what?
Who thought of the 9/11 Commission? Well, it was formed in response to the widows' demands for a through investigation, and it was formed despite the objections of the Bush administration.
The 9/11 Commission barely discussed the buildings. The widows' questions only minimally involved the buildings, if at all. The buildings are irrelevant so the widows' unanswered questions. So what is your point?
In what way is publicizing the widows' frustration about their 273 unanswered questions "using them"?
I'm sure I'm not the first person who's told you that your thinking seems rather disordered.
See Brian you're just asking to get your ass handed to you again and again.
Fuck your questions cause they're irrelevant to your cause. You've been asking the same lame questions for years. Just drop it Brian, ok? You're not going to change our minds so fuck off.
How are my questions irrelevant to my cause?
How do you know what my cause is?
Who empowered you to write my mission statement?
What makes you think I'm trying to change your minds? Doesn't that objective require that you have minds to change?
How are my questions irrelevant to my cause?
You're JAQing off.
How do you know what my cause is?
You're JAQing off.
Who empowered you to write my mission statement?
Still JAQing off!
What makes you think I'm trying to change your minds?
JAQing off still!
Doesn't that objective require that you have minds to change?
Your objective is to pretend to be a lumberjack JAQing off?
IOW, you refuse to back up your claims--which is not surprising since you just make stuff up and call it common sense.
IOW, you refuse to back up your claims--which is not surprising since you just make stuff up and call it common sense.
Yeah and you think that thermite can magically turn into a gas to use in cutting torches. uck you Brian, fuck you buddy!
I didn't say that, Stewie. Is that what you do in school--just make stuff up on tests? How does that work out for you? (As if I had to ask.)
I didn't say that, Stewie. Is that what you do in school--just make stuff up on tests? How does that work out for you? (As if I had to ask.)
Yes you did. I don't want to know if you cheated in school. You asked and ye shall recieve.
I didn't say thermite can turn into a gas, Stewie. You are a very silly boy.
I didn't say thermite can turn into a gas, Stewie
Then why bring up oxy acetylene torches then you jack ass?
I brought it up to show that the same process can both weld and cut steel. You're not too swift at inductive reasoning, are you?
Which of the widows' 273 unanswered questions are irrelevant and why are they irrelevant?
The widows have no questions, Brian.
Things that don't exist are not relevant.
Why you want to lie about the widows and their questions is a mystery to me, Skidmark. What did they ever do to you?
Why you want to lie about the widows and their questions is a mystery to me, Skidmark.
I've never lied about your phony "widows".
What did they ever do to you?
They lied to me. Fortunately, I was smart enough to see through it. You, however, are the kind of pathetic simpleton that con artists like them feed on. No wonder you fell for it.
You lie and lie and lie, Skidmark.
You lie and lie and lie, Skidmark.
False. I just humiliate a failed janitor who will never get the widows questions answered.
You live in a fantasy world, Skidmark,
Poor Brian, he's hysterical and just babbling incoherently at this point.
Brian, speaking of fantasies, do you still really think there will ever be a new investigation into 9/11? Or that the "widows" will ever have their questions answered? Or that "meatball on a fork" will appear in a journal?
Yeah, that's the fantasy world. I mean, I can see why you inhabit it, given that reality is tough to bear when you're unemployed and live with your parents, but still....
Brian, if you want to be taken seriously, you should really go out and get a decent haircut. People listen to me because I'm smart, successful, have an MBA, and have a good haircut. They ignore you because you're a failed janitor who lives with his parents and has a hideous homeless mullet. That' why I always win the debate over whether the widows have questions.
Also, Brian, can you go back to saying "it thinks it's funny" whenever I humiliate you? That's better than the "skidmark" stuff.
Ian, "you lie and lie and lie" is not hysterical nor babbling not incoherent. It's simply a statement of fact.
Your lies do not have the power to humiliate me. Instead they humiliate your colleagues at this blog who seem to lack the vision or the courage to rebuke you.
Your "humor" shows that you do not have the intelligence to evaluate the comparative strength of my different schticks. Don't quit your day job.
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