Monday, May 22, 2006

A Warning to Readers

James and I don't have time to police the comments. I am seeing some links in there that trouble me, for example to this website, which advises:

Neo-Nazis are in Israel
These Nazis have a preference for "ultra-Orthodox" Jews; ie, the Jews who are not supporting the military takeover of Palestine. Can you see through the deception? The Zionists are behind most Nazi groups, the KKK, Al Qaeda, and other terrorists.

Treat any links that you see in the comments section of this blog with caution. As I mentioned on the Podcast, there is a rather large overlap between the 9-11 "Truth" movement and Holocaust revisionists.


At 22 May, 2006 13:02, Blogger nes718 said...

Neo-Nazis are in Israel
These Nazis have a preference for "ultra-Orthodox" Jews; ie, the Jews who are not supporting the military takeover of Palestine. Can you see through the deception? The Zionists are behind most Nazi groups, the KKK, Al Qaeda, and other terrorists.

Actually, Zionism like Nazism, communism and capitalism are a product of the ruling class, The Crown or the Illuminati; whatever you want to call THEM.

At 22 May, 2006 14:02, Blogger Unknown said...

I take responsibility for the comment and link.

Some of you may need an introduction to the topic (The Lobby Strikes Back
Harvard study of Israeli lobby's influence costs the academic dean of the Kennedy School his job

to understand the context.

At 22 May, 2006 14:06, Blogger Unknown said...

Also, as a public service from yesterday's London Sunday Times:

Markets ‘are like 1987 crash’

At 22 May, 2006 14:14, Blogger Unknown said...

Here's another blog entry.(Israel Lobby study and the backlash roundup)

Perhaps I need to throw in the obvious.

I support the right for all people to exist, unless they don't want to. , Then, I support their right to die (with hospice care or to their wish).

At 22 May, 2006 14:21, Blogger Unknown said...

Here's more recommended reading material:

America's Israeli Lobby can't handle The Truth :: How Israel's Lobby won & intimidated the West for Israel

At 22 May, 2006 14:37, Blogger FatOllie said...

bg, if you want to read some intelligent comments about the whole Israel Lobby "study," you could do a lot worse than to look at what some of the contributors to the Volokh Conspiracy have to say about it.

VC Link

At 22 May, 2006 14:46, Blogger Unknown said...


I support you right to post any trash you want to.

I support my right to say you and Volokh is so full of it, I can smell you from here.

It's not a surprise that we aren't the best of friends if you believe Volokh is a valuable source of review and commentary.

At 22 May, 2006 15:22, Blogger Unknown said...


I take your point about it not being a Harvard Study.

At 22 May, 2006 15:25, Blogger Unknown said...

Another public service announment:

Emerging markets lead global decline

Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are positioned to benefit from the decline of the dollar... how about you?

At 22 May, 2006 15:45, Blogger FatOllie said...

bg wrote:

"I support my right to say you and Volokh is so full of it, I can smell you from here."

Volokh is probably my favorite blog. I find that no matter the topic discussed, the commentary will almost always be intelligent and well-considered. Rarely something there will be off the wall, like E Volokh's famous comments on torture and on mashing. Just goes to show that not even extremely intelligent people are immune from saying silly things occasionally.

As for the possibility of being friends, I don't think it was in the cards anyway.

At 22 May, 2006 17:27, Blogger shawn said...

Uh bg, as I've stated before, the Israel lobby paper is antisemitism clothed as academic research. There are so many errors of fact and logical fallacies that I'm insulted that folks in charge of running instititutions of learning wrote it.

At 22 May, 2006 19:43, Blogger Unknown said...

About Palestinian Terriory...

Tell me if I've got this right.

1. US supports democracy all over the World

2. Palestine has democratic election

3. Elects Hamas related government

4. US does not like that kind of democray

the following ensues:

Palestinians Turn to Each Other to Get By- By Scott Wilson

BEIT IKSA, West Bank -- At the end of last month, a crowd gathered in
the town hall here to take part in an unusual act. About 75 people,
all employees of the Palestinian Authority, were getting paid.

Like the rest of the 150,000 Palestinian civil servants, the
teachers, bureaucrats and policemen here had not received a paycheck
for nearly two months, the result of a freeze in international aid
following Hamas's victory in January legislative elections.

But this village has a patron, a native son who prospered in the
United Arab Emirates. Although he has returned to his birthplace only
a handful of times since leaving with his family following the 1967
Middle East war, over the years Zuhair Jubran has remembered his
village in trying times, few more so than now.

With the government unable to make payroll, Jubran decided he would.
Each public employee, including teachers from neighboring villages
who work in Beit Iksa's boys and girls schools, has started receiving
a monthly salary of $325 from Jubran's private accounts.

As their government withers without international aid, Palestinians
are tailoring modest lives to desperate times. Bartering, borrowing
and doing without, thousands of people in the West Bank and the Gaza
Strip are improvising their way through a deepening financial crisis
with help from native sons, virtual strangers and each other.

Government salaries directly or indirectly sustain roughly 1 million
people in the occupied territories, and in places such as this one
the money serves as the economic lifeblood of the community. Town
officials say a majority of the village's roughly 2,000 people rely
on Palestinian Authority salaries as their chief source of income.

"We'd reached a critical period when some people had nothing at all,"
said Anan Zayyed, 36, who teaches math and science at the Beit Iksa
Girls Primary School, a small hillside campus with a view of the
Jerusalem-Tel Aviv highway.

So the families who live here in old stone homes along one-lane
streets are paring back spending, selling off assets and heirlooms,
running up large tabs at corner markets and worrying about the weeks
ahead. Construction sites sit abandoned, vegetable markets are empty.
But now, the people here say, a new set of social rules is taking hold.

A family with enough money to prepare a large dinner one night will
share a dish or two with neighbors. Taxi drivers decline to collect
fares. Civil servants with other sources of income -- grown children,
usually, in other parts of the world -- ask that their monthly
payments from Jubran be given to those who need it more.

"We're like a role model, an example for nearby villages," said Bages
Muhesen, 70, the bespectacled head of the town council. "But we have
someone to help, and the others do not." In this village set among
terraced hillsides a few miles north of Jerusalem, there is a
palpable anger toward Israel and the United States, which they blame
most for their impoverishment.

Western donors have called on Hamas, a radical Islamic movement, to
recognize Israel, renounce violence and abide by previously signed
agreements as a condition for a renewal of aid. Hamas leaders, in
turn, have called on Israel to end the occupation of land
Palestinians envision as their future state in return for a long-term truce.

Hamas and the secular-nationalist Fatah party that lost power in
January roughly divided the vote here. But there is a growing
solidarity behind Hamas, which began running the Palestinian
government ministries six weeks ago.

"This is a new government, and to be honest, I just don't know
whether to blame them or not," said Ahmed Ghaith, 38, who drives a
collective taxi in the village. "Everybody is against them, and to me
it seems like they haven't been given a chance. This is Israel's fault."

On his dashboard, Ghaith keeps a red clipboard, a new tool of the
trade. Pages of lined paper bear names, dates, trips and sums -- a
ledger of the debt accrued over the past two months that amounts to $2,200.

He stopped charging Palestinian government employees, many of whom
must make long morning commutes to Ramallah at a cost that has become
prohibitively expensive without an income to justify it. "Some people
here are still making money," Ghaith said. "So we take it from them
and put diesel in the car so I can keep going."

That seemingly simple task is becoming more complicated. At a filling
station a few miles west of the village, fuel reserves are running dry.

Dor Energy, the private Israeli supplier of fuel to the Palestinian
Authority, has ceased deliveries because of $26 million in unpaid
debt. Rani, the station attendant, said he had gasoline to last
through the weekend. His diesel, however, would likely not survive
the day, he said.

"Then I'll turn off the lights and go home," said Rani, 24, who would
give only his first name. Rationing has begun. A white Renault van
pulled in for a fill-up, and Rani told the driver he could have a
quarter of his request.

"I guess I'll just park my car and stop working," said Mohammed
Ayash, 20, a school janitor who uses the van to get from campus to
campus. "What else should I do?"

Jubran, the village benefactor, still owns a house here. His cousin,
Abdelkareem Ajaj, said that Jubran's last visit was in 1995 and that
he divides his time between the U.A.E. and Jordan. Ajaj said Jubran,
who could not be reached for comment, is involved in the stock
market, perhaps as a large investor in publicly traded companies.

Over the years, he has provided funds to pave the streets, add
classrooms and send village students to study overseas. The girls'
school here sends him regular requests for funds, written on
Palestinian Authority letterhead. One, bearing a March date, seeks
money for new laboratories and a library.

Since the economic squeeze began, Jubran has started a $1,000
scholarship for the schools' top students as an incentive to continue
their education at a time when many are feeling pressure to find work
and help support their families. The village's economic straits have
become a point of discussion in the busy school courtyards.

Abdulrahman Mahmoud, a ninth-grader at the boys school that Jubran
attended, said he and his classmates talk about what they will buy
once their parents get paid again. His daily 50-cent allowance, which
is enough for candy and popsicles at the corner market, has disappeared.

"My father is trying as much as he can to make it the same, but I
know he owes a lot of money," said Mahmoud, one of six children in a
household that depends on the salary his father earns as a teacher.
"The situation will get worse as long as the world continues to
punish us for our choice."

Behind him stood Jamal Ghaith, 46, who owns a cluttered grocery store
the size of a large pantry at the village's only intersection.
Ghaith, brother of the taxi driver, said his business has fallen 70
percent in the past two months. He has extended more than $10,000 in
credit. "Two months more and most of the shops will close down,"
Ghaith said. "Me, I won't have any money to buy merchandise."

After the village's public employees were paid April 25 through
Jubran's generosity, a line formed outside his tiny store as people
arrived to pay off portions of their balances. "It helps for a
certain period of time," Ghaith said. "But everyone's priority here
when they get money is for their children, keeping them in school
supplies and food, not paying off debts to grocery stores."

At 22 May, 2006 19:58, Blogger Unknown said...

I just reviewed "The Volokh Conspiracy". My take: My comments earlier were based of some of the notable items that got the web site bad press.

Overall: Well organized. Stimulating topics. Better that I ever imagined...

At 22 May, 2006 20:10, Blogger shawn said...

4. US does not like that kind of democray

The Nazis were democratically elected, too.

It's not a fool-proof system.

At 22 May, 2006 20:41, Blogger nes718 said...

The Nazis were democratically elected, too.

It's not a fool-proof system.

You can say that again, I mean, we got Dubya and he cheated his way in.

At 22 May, 2006 20:43, Blogger Unknown said...

World Council of Churches slams Israel

At 22 May, 2006 20:45, Blogger Unknown said...

Haaretz on Israeli Settlers: How Mean Can you Be?

At 22 May, 2006 20:47, Blogger shawn said...

And you then quote Juan Cole. He's the most biased "Middle East expert" on the planet. Holy shit, bg, do you understand what a good source is?

At 22 May, 2006 20:48, Blogger shawn said...

You can say that again, I mean, we got Dubya and he cheated his way in.

Doesn't surprised me you subscribe to those conspiracy theories, too.

At 22 May, 2006 20:54, Blogger Unknown said...

They Convert in Order to Subvert

At 22 May, 2006 20:58, Blogger shawn said...

Wow, a blog post.

At 22 May, 2006 21:06, Blogger shawn said...

Do you get the feeling BG and nesnyc were rejected by Christian Identity for failing to attain minimum standards?

Ah you mentioned it before nesnyc and bg realize my "conspiracy idiot" phrase was supposed to reflect Christian Identity (both CI).

At 22 May, 2006 21:06, Blogger Unknown said...

Prime Minister Admits Israel Is Plagued With Organized Crime

At 22 May, 2006 21:10, Blogger shawn said...

I used to love Disinformation when I was a kid and latched on to every conspiracy theory, but I've come to realize it's bunk.

As to the story, so what? First off, it's a red herring. Second, America has a mafia. Italty, too.

At 22 May, 2006 21:12, Blogger Unknown said...

Alan Kellogg,

I'd rather not wear anything like that crown, but I suppose your judgement is that I'm earning the right to wear it.

Noticed in your profile you in San Diego. What a great place.

I suppose it's just asking to be called out more if I try to make small talk, but this is the first I've seen your name, and I wanted to say hello.

At 22 May, 2006 21:17, Blogger Unknown said...

Hamas, Son of Israel

At 22 May, 2006 21:21, Blogger shawn said...

I'm aware of the most of the claims that site (another overtly biased source I'm quite familiar with) makes. Unfortunately, they're not much stronger than rumor.

At 23 May, 2006 03:49, Blogger nes718 said...

Unfortunately, they're not much stronger than rumor. They have 1000x more credibility than even that propaganda rag, the New York Times. Remember, when the Times (thanks J. Miller) was telling us Iraq was ready to nuke us, Justin and the crew over at Antiwar saw through the bullshit.

At 23 May, 2006 07:05, Blogger shawn said...

Remember, when the Times (thanks J. Miller) was telling us Iraq was ready to nuke us

Excellent hyperbole. I love when people say NYT (one of the papers most critical of Bush) is a propoganda page for him.

I'd love to see some polls on how Americans view Israel.

Read actual newspapers. It was in the Globe not too long ago (in an article about the Israel lobby paper).

"Despite years of relentless media promotion, whitewash and 9/11 Commission propaganda, the official 9/11 story still can't even muster 50% popular support."

About one fourth of Americans want a new investigation That means 75 percent support the official story. Don't let facts get in your way.


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