Friday, July 14, 2006

Another Stupid Video

This one looks like it had Jason Bermas doing research on it:



How many mistakes can you find in this movie? Just in the first 90 seconds I caught the following:

1. "Building 7 at the World Trade Center was never hit by an airplane and had no significant fire".

2. It was 47 stories high, it was constructed of steel, yet at 5:30 PM that day it collapsed straight down into a pile of rubble just like a controlled demolition.

3. Larry Silverstein, the leaseholder of Building 7, who collected insurance of $7 billion, is on tape saying he ordered the NY Fire Department to "Pull it".

This is what the filmmaker considers "no significant fire":



(WTC 7 on right)

Most of the photos taken of WTC 7 are from the north side; that part of the building was undamaged from the collapse of WTC 1 (the North Tower), which was approximately 300 feet south of WTC 7. Here's one of the few pictures of WTC 7 that shows any part of the south side of WTC 7:



(WTC 7 is barely visible on the left, behind the white building)

WTC 7 did not collapse at 5:30 PM, it collapsed at 5:20 PM. Larry Silverstein was not the leaseholder on Building 7, he was the owner (and developer) of Building 7. He was the leaseholder on WTC 1 and 2, the twin towers. He did not receive $7 billion in insurance proceeds from WTC 7; that was the amount he sued for the two towers. The WTC 7 insurance was much less (the number I recall for WTC 7 is about $860 million) and there was no significant court battle over the proceeds, and as a result WTC 7 has already been rebuilt.

In addition, the filmmaker (unlike many other 9-11 nutbars) at least gets right who Larry Silverstein supposedly told to "pull it", although there is no explanation of how the New York Fire Department handled the supposed controlled demolition that resulted.

This is one of the real problems with the 9-11 Truthers; they're too stupid to even get basic facts like the amount of insurance and the time of day the building fell right.

I will add links to proof for my assertions later this morning.

22 Comments:

At 14 July, 2006 08:21, Blogger LT said...

along the same lines, don't forget that a B-52 crashed into the empire state building at one point in time. Of course, details are insignificant in life...

 
At 14 July, 2006 08:34, Blogger James B. said...

"Why did the towers fall at the maximum speed of gravity?"

Someone flunked high school physics.

 
At 14 July, 2006 08:38, Blogger LT said...

yep

 
At 14 July, 2006 08:57, Blogger Pepik said...

I would be helpful if you indicate which buildings you are referring to in the photos - most show multiple buildings. Its not always obvious for people that are new to the topic. Thanks.

 
At 14 July, 2006 09:24, Blogger MarkyX said...

Pepik..that's WTC7..

 
At 14 July, 2006 09:35, Blogger Pat said...

Good point, Pepik, I have amended the post per your suggestion.

 
At 14 July, 2006 10:03, Blogger apathoid said...

What is it with CTers and their friggin propaganda videos?
Enough already, we get it - Bush did it ....sheesh

 
At 14 July, 2006 11:58, Blogger undense said...

Someone flunked high school physics.

Hehe. If he actually knows the speed of gravity he should contact the physicists. They've been debating that issue for some time now.

 
At 14 July, 2006 13:35, Blogger Avery Dylan said...

Like hey, man I mean "pull it." you heard him say "pull it." I mean, you know it's like pulling the rug out right.

I mean, its on tape right? Like they caught him right?

Like, I mean case closed right?

 
At 14 July, 2006 13:44, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Why do the CT's put out a million freakin videos all rehashing the same old SHITE. It just makes for boring viewing now. The same info in this video is found in LC, it is found in the grififn lectures, and it has about as much fact based evidence behind it as those...which is next to nil. I have an open mind, but by god if you want me to back your claims "Truthers" than show me some hard evidence.

 
At 14 July, 2006 18:45, Blogger roger_sq said...

In addition, the filmmaker (unlike many other 9-11 nutbars) at least gets right who Larry Silverstein supposedly told to "pull it", although there is no explanation of how the New York Fire Department handled the supposed controlled demolition that resulted.

Nor is there an explanation as to why the FDNY was consulting a Jewish Landlord for guidance on firefighting.

 
At 14 July, 2006 20:58, Blogger undense said...

Nor is there an explanation as to why the FDNY was consulting a Jewish Landlord for guidance on firefighting.

Roger,

You've made too many idiotic comments on this blog to count. But that one reaches the bottom of the moronic abyss.

Wally: Gee golly willikers Beav. What on earth did Silverstein have to do with WTC7?

Beaver: Duh, I don't know Wally. Sure sounds fishy to me.

btw Roger. The anti-semitic fringe on your panties is showing. Please pull your skirt down.

 
At 14 July, 2006 21:09, Blogger Dog Town said...

Leave roger alone! Is it his fault? The only time, "pull it" came up in his life,unexpected explosions happened .Even to this day !

 
At 14 July, 2006 21:11, Blogger Dog Town said...

Wow!!! had not noticed the triple entandra

 
At 14 July, 2006 22:43, Blogger roger_sq said...

Roger,

You've made too many idiotic comments on this blog to count. But that one reaches the bottom of the moronic abyss.

Wally: Gee golly willikers Beav. What on earth did Silverstein have to do with WTC7?

Beaver: Duh, I don't know Wally. Sure sounds fishy to me.


Nice ad hominem. My understanding of Larry Silversein's role is that he owned the building. Since when does that put someone at the top of the chain of command for managing a fire department?

Any other example in all of history will do fine.

 
At 14 July, 2006 22:45, Blogger roger_sq said...

btw Roger. The anti-semitic fringe on your panties is showing. Please pull your skirt down.

riiight... in shawns world "buck tooth" equals nigger and "Jewish" equals anti-semitic.

Good thing you're a lot smarter than you think you are.

 
At 15 July, 2006 07:05, Blogger undense said...

Nice ad hominem. My understanding of Larry Silversein's role is that he owned the building. Since when does that put someone at the top of the chain of command for managing a fire department?

Any other example in all of history will do fine.


You really are about as dumb as a box of rocks aren't you? Where was Silverstein "managing" the FDNY? Pssst, he wasn't and your utterly moronic assertion that he was doesn't fly.

Can you prove that Fire Departments don't contact the owners of buildings that are on fire to provide situational statuses?

riiight... in shawns world "buck tooth" equals nigger and "Jewish" equals anti-semitic.

Good thing you're a lot smarter than you think you are.


Uh huh. You're not anti-semitic. You just felt it was somehow relevant to mention that Silverstein was 'one o' dem thar damn JOOS!'

It's a good thing you're a lot dumber than you think you are. If not, you'd have no excuse whatosever for your replies in here.

 
At 15 July, 2006 07:52, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Gee Roger, maybe the FDNY would find it appropriate to be inform the building owner of what was going on and ask for any advice on whether or not they should continue their efforts?

Also, why is it odd that the landlord was Jewish? It's common knowledge that NYC has had a large Jewish population for years?

 
At 15 July, 2006 11:41, Blogger roger_sq said...

Gee Roger, maybe the FDNY would find it appropriate to be inform the building owner of what was going on and ask for any advice on whether or not they should continue their efforts?

Actually, NO. It's is not only inappropriate, it's dereliction of duty and completely laughable. For all of you, Silverstein clearly states he told the Fire Chief how to handle the situation. Apparently both of them had figured out that the building would collapse, in a more or less straight down fashion, without endagering any emergency workers at Ground Zero, and that would not risk spreading fire into the surrounding buildings thereby hampering rescue efforts.

Silverstein knew all this shit before the building came down. And the FDNY chief calling the landlord to ask for advice, as you put it, regarding the safety of his men as he alleges, follows his directions, and lo a behold the building just goes poof.

You guys are just fucking dumb and if you can't see what is wrong with that work of fiction then you shouldn't be writing fiction, that's for sure... and whatever comes down the pike- you deserve. I'm done engaging with tards. I'll drop by in the fall and see if you've gotten any dumber.

 
At 15 July, 2006 11:48, Blogger undense said...

Roger,

The only one pumping out fiction is you by making poor ASSumptions and baseless allegations.

The Fire Chief was explaining the situation on WTC7 to Silverstein. He basically told him they were abondoning the fight. Silverstein agreed that he should pull the effort to try to save the building so no other firefighters would be lost on this day. It wasn't an order, dope, it was an affirmation.

Not only that, but as it's been shown many times, the building didn't come "straight down." Despite plain evidence that shows otherwise, you ignorant CT dupes keep repeating the same lies over and over. When are you going to learn that the only people you are fooling are yourselves?

 
At 15 July, 2006 15:11, Blogger shawn said...

riiight... in shawns world "buck tooth" equals nigger and "Jewish" equals anti-semitic.

You really don't understand antisemitism at all. Roger, you really need to hit the books pal because schooling failed you in the worst way.

 
At 18 July, 2006 04:50, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

I would say Condi is more "gap-toothed" than "buck-toothed". Either way, neither condition is related to her racial make up.

Not that I care, but the fact that Roger felt it necessary to point out Silverstein's heritage would suggest to any objective person that you felt it was significant for some reason.

 

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