Monday, August 07, 2006

Media Round Up

With the upcoming release of Oliver Stone's "World Trade Center" and the 5th Anniversary of 9/11 coming up, the media coverage of the conspiracy theories is continuing to heat up. Just today Jason Bermas faced a rather hostile (although not hostile enough) interviewer on MSNBC. I say the more the better, the more exposure these guys get to the real media, as opposed to suckups on websites and fringe radio, the more the will be shown for the dishonest hacks they are.

Bermas idiotically states:


Nobody is here to disrespect the victims the family members and say that they are off somewhere, we believe they are alive. We just happen to believe that a commercial airliner did not strike the Pentagon.















After being questioned about this by the host, he reversed himself. But remember, a mistatement is not accidental, reveals your true feelings. Just ask Larry Silverstein and Donald Rumsfeld.

FoxNews' Bill O'Reilly, Kevin Barrett's number 1 fan, also had a clip this evening where he interviewed Jim Meigs from Popular Mechanics on their new book Debunking 911 Myths, which incidently has a new website. It was a pretty good interview, although a bit short. My number one complaint was that he addressed the cell phones on planes issue only by saying that cell phone calls can be made from planes. That is true, but as I have shown it is mostly irrelevent, since almost all the calls were made on airfones anyway. Anyway, I ordered the book today on Amazon, but they say it is not in stock yet. If anyone knows of the O'Reilly clip on the Internet, let me know and I will link it.

Update: Here is the O'Reilly clip.

49 Comments:

At 07 August, 2006 22:01, Blogger shawn said...

C'mon, man, Barnes and Noble! (Even though I'm just a lowly receiver.)

 
At 07 August, 2006 22:05, Blogger James B. said...

LOL I shop there often.

Disclosure notice: I am interning for a certain technology company in Seattle this Summer, and it is not Microsoft.

 
At 07 August, 2006 22:09, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Is this where we get to tell everyone what we do....lol...not likely

 
At 07 August, 2006 22:14, Blogger James B. said...

No, you don't have to. I just didn't want to get accused of ethical violations...

 
At 07 August, 2006 22:30, Blogger default.xbe said...

i work for a certain software company (also not microsoft) that happens to be the largest in illinois (i think)

 
At 07 August, 2006 22:33, Blogger James B. said...

Boeing doesn't count, they are really a Seattle company that defected.

 
At 07 August, 2006 22:43, Blogger Billythekid said...

Jason Bermas is a researcher? Then why is he lying about thermate?

Still no proof for thermate, according to Jones himself: "The samples are predominantly iron, so we can rule out the 'molten aluminum' hypothesis with a high degree of confidence. There is very little chromium, so that the 'molten structural steel' hypothesis is highly suspect. Yes, there is sulfur -- but proving the use of 'thermate' positively will certainly require further analyses and comparisons with samples of known origin (such as thermate-products)."

 
At 08 August, 2006 07:08, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

what about Barium Nitrate...isnt that like 27-29% of Thermate...

Oh and sulfur....Gypsum (ie drywall)....rubber...cleaning products...the list goes on

Oh, and guys, thought I'd let you know that the LC forum members bombed a CNN poll from August 7th about 9/11 Theories

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/08/06/sept11.theories.ap/index.html
That is the poll location

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=9860
Here is the thread where they hatched their plan.

 
At 08 August, 2006 08:35, Blogger Chad said...

Some stores have the book now. There was a guy at GZ that had a copy.

Amazon's lying to you, they're in on the conspiracy.

 
At 08 August, 2006 08:39, Blogger CHF said...

"We just happen to believe that a commercial airliner did not strike the Pentagon."

Which would logically mean that the families who recieved phone calls were either lying or were too stupid to know that their "loved one" was in fact a computer.

But yeah, they're not insulting the families.

 
At 08 August, 2006 10:04, Blogger MarkyX said...

Of course not. It's not like they are suggesting that they are sending their brothers and sisters to die, like 11-year old Bernard Brown junior.

Oh snap, they are.

ZEE PEOPLE ARE REALLY SECONDARY! SIEG HEIL!

 
At 08 August, 2006 10:14, Blogger Avery Dylan said...

You think Jason is an idiot?

Try talking sense into Dylan!


WHhhhooooo!

 
At 08 August, 2006 11:52, Blogger Pepik said...

I wonder if the poll Alex Jones quotes was spiked too.

 
At 08 August, 2006 12:04, Blogger James B. said...

Stupid comments of the day, from the Amazon posting of the Debunking 911 Myths book

We know this book is a lie! BYU Physics Dept. find Controlled Demolition of WTCs, "thermate" traces!

On August 1st, on C-SPAN, Brigham Young University Professor and acclaimed Physicist, Steven Jones, announced that the BYU Physics analysis of debris from the WTC towers had traces of "thermate."

Thermate is an explosive steel cutting charge, used only for controlled demolition. Jones explains that the ONLY reason thermate traces would be found on the WTC debris (obtained from two independent sources) was IF the WTCs had been brought down from "controlled demolition."

 
At 08 August, 2006 14:55, Blogger default.xbe said...

Thermate is an explosive steel cutting charge, used only for controlled demolition.

peopel at work think ive lost my mind because im laughing so hard

 
At 08 August, 2006 15:02, Blogger default.xbe said...

excellent response too james (im assuming youre the James B. that replied to the thermate comment)

 
At 08 August, 2006 17:02, Blogger CHF said...

"Thermate is an explosive steel cutting charge, used only for controlled demolition."

Wow. Just....wow.

Wrong on all counts.

 
At 08 August, 2006 17:46, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

He DID NOT FIND THERMATE. I believe he says he found chemical residue that COULD BE consistent with thermate. That being alluminum and/or iron oxide, and sulfur...hmmm now finding those things in settling on metal in a debris pile of two 100 plus storey buildings...hmmmm any drywall or rubber (sulfur)...any aluminum siding....any iron....hmmm....did he make any comment on if any barium nitrate was found??

 
At 08 August, 2006 18:18, Blogger Dog Town said...

----- "Still no proof for thermate, according to Jones himself: "The samples are predominantly iron, so we can rule out the 'molten aluminum' hypothesis with a high degree of confidence.----

All this evidence, from some dirt
"a gal had in a bucket"! Nice chain of evidence Ehh? This guy just loves all the friends he's made, since he donned his Tinfoil!
******************************
? How do you guys do bold here?

 
At 08 August, 2006 18:37, Blogger Tempestuous said...

If you want to see true disrespect and sickening content. Take a look at this site which is endorsed by Screwloosechange and other 911 Goosesteppers, http://perrylogan.org/. I think that even the "kooks" would be sickened. Certainly CENTCOM would not send a supportive letter to him. I'll have to put mine back in the desk after seeing this site. I'm sticking to the free web content for my blog, which is offered by them. The debunking 911 stuff I hear is great.

 
At 08 August, 2006 18:42, Blogger shawn said...

I don't agree with him at all politically, but he's hilarious.

And why compare us to Nazis? Most of us didn't vote the current Administration. Can you explain that, Einstein?

 
At 08 August, 2006 18:52, Blogger Tempestuous said...

Hey, I'm a 101st Fighting Pawn like the rest of you. I just call a spade a spade. I'm a rebellious goosestepper. i wave the flag, but it may be a little crooked. I just think that getting all steamed up over what the goosesteppers call kooks is like being pissed off because a mental patient said "Bah!" instead of "Rah." It's irrelevant.

 
At 08 August, 2006 18:53, Blogger shawn said...

I just think that getting all steamed up over what the goosesteppers call kooks is like being pissed off because a mental patient said "Bah!" instead of "Rah." It's irrelevant.

I guess I should also ignore creationists...I mean after all the Religious Right never got any power in America...oh, wait.

 
At 08 August, 2006 18:53, Blogger shawn said...

I'm a rebellious goosestepper.

Patriotism is supporting your country always and your government when it deserves it.

A smart man said that.

 
At 08 August, 2006 18:59, Blogger Tempestuous said...

Firstly, Einstein was considered a nutbar early in his career.

Secondly, "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

-Thomas Jefferson

 
At 08 August, 2006 19:02, Blogger shawn said...

Secondly, "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

-Thomas Jefferson


Did you ignore two posts up or something?

Firstly, Einstein was considered a nutbar early in his career.

This is a logically fallacious argument. You're insinuating that all nutbars (or even any of them) have something valid to say because Einstein was supposedly considered one.

 
At 08 August, 2006 19:10, Blogger Tempestuous said...

No! I'm simply saying that Einstein was considered a "nutbar" early in his career. I made no "nutbar" connection to the other nutbars that the 911Goosesteppers speak about all the time. That would be like saying that the 911Goosesteppers are boot licking Steurmabteillung (SA).And I would never say that...

 
At 08 August, 2006 19:29, Blogger shawn said...

That would be like saying that the 911Goosesteppers are boot licking Steurmabteillung (SA)

Somebody hasn't heard of the Night of the Long Knives.

 
At 08 August, 2006 19:30, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

duh, we bold using the tags as shown whwen you post...the <, then b, then >before your words, then the same, but with the / before the b

bold

 
At 08 August, 2006 19:34, Blogger shawn said...

Temp, you gotta stop breaking Godwin's Law, too.

 
At 08 August, 2006 19:57, Blogger Tempestuous said...

shawn said:Somebody hasn't heard of the Night of the Long Knives.

Of course I've heard of that horrendous and murderous event. However, I was not saying that the 911Goosesteppers were synonymous with the SA or SS any more than the 911nutbars are synoymous with Einstein in his early years.

And who is this Godwin fascist clown? Is he the king of blogs or something? It sounds like he should be run out of town.

Must we all walk in lock step like the Tory's during the Revolutionary War? Or, can we be free thinkers, like the rebellious Whigs--Sam Adams, John Adams, Paul Revere, Dr. Warren, Isaiah Thomas, Thomas Paine, and many others...?

 
At 08 August, 2006 20:05, Blogger shawn said...

And who is this Godwin fascist clown? Is he the king of blogs or something? It sounds like he should be run out of town.

Godwin's Law says that the longer an internet discussion goes the closer the probability of comparison to Nazis reaches one. The person who first breaks the law is considered the "loser".

 
At 08 August, 2006 20:07, Blogger shawn said...

Must we all walk in lock step like the Tory's during the Revolutionary War? Or, can we be free thinkers, like the rebellious Whigs--Sam Adams, John Adams, Paul Revere, Dr. Warren, Isaiah Thomas, Thomas Paine, and many others...?

Whoever said this? You went around talking about how we're goosesteppers when ignoring that debunking the alternate theories is not being a government shill.

If I show what's wrong with creationism does that make me some kind of militant anti-religionist?

 
At 08 August, 2006 20:15, Blogger Tempestuous said...

Hey if I'm considered the loser, then I consider myself in good company---friends...Hee...Hee...

Creationist: No I would probably call you a papist then.

911Goosestepper does not equal government shill. A government shill, I suppose, would at least be getting a paycheck from the clandestine agencies.

A goosestepper is simply like those wide eyed people with raised arms we see in the old footage. They gazed hypnotically as the 1930's Mercedes drives through the crown with the uniformed fascist leader aboard.

 
At 08 August, 2006 20:17, Blogger shawn said...

A goosestepper is simply like those wide eyed people with raised arms we see in the old footage. They gazed hypnotically as the 1930's Mercedes drives through the crown with the uniformed fascist leader aboard.

Yup, exactly like pointing out logical fallacies and unsound 'science'. Great connection.

 
At 08 August, 2006 20:24, Blogger Tempestuous said...

What the hell are you talking about? Using the word "science" doesn't make you smart. I guess you are a fascist dictator denier.

A 911Goosestepper is simply one who would hang on Rove's every word. Ah, yes Mr. Libby. A, yes Mr. Rove. Everone else is a nutbar. You are ethical Christians (indictments aside). Oh Clinton, you are so charasmatic, despite your cover up of the drug running at Mena, Arkansas. Goosestepper toe the party line like good little Torys.

 
At 08 August, 2006 20:28, Blogger Tempestuous said...

If we were independent thinkers, we wouldn't be 101st Fighting Pawns --eh--keyboardists--eh--Torys

have you read the stuff at those bleeding hearted right and left false paradigm sites? If we were independent thinkers, we wouldn't need the fascist logo, we'd raise Old Glory.

 
At 08 August, 2006 20:28, Blogger shawn said...

A 911Goosestepper is simply one who would hang on Rove's every word. Ah, yes Mr. Libby. A, yes Mr. Rove. Everone else is a nutbar. You are ethical Christians (indictments aside). Oh Clinton, you are so charasmatic, despite your cover up of the drug running at Mena, Arkansas. Goosestepper toe the party line like good little Torys.

I was pointing out how we're bringing up the unsound reasoning and logic and lack of evidence the "Truthers" have.

That has nothing to do with toeing a party line.

Your accusation is like saying shooting down Holocaust deniers make us goosesteppers for Rove (which would be weird as hell, considering the topic).

 
At 08 August, 2006 20:30, Blogger shawn said...

If we were independent thinkers, we wouldn't be 101st Fighting Pawns --eh--keyboardists--eh--Torys

It's Tories, first off. Second, how does that make anyone pawns?

If we were independent thinkers, we wouldn't need the fascist logo, we'd raise Old Glory.

And if they put a big ol' flag you'd probably say that was a sign of goosestepping, too. There's no winning with you pal.

 
At 08 August, 2006 20:46, Blogger Tempestuous said...

Thanks for the spell check TORIES. Hey, at least I spelled the good guys right: WHIGS (Paul Revere, et al). Say, those dudes should send us more of the 911 crap for our own blogs. I heard the 911deniers have come out with new stuff. So the 911goosesteppers should respond. We can't tar and feather ourselves, so I suppose we can pretent the 911nutbars are goosestepping for the Commi's or even the shadow terrorists, or false flag army intell guys, or even the guy who wrote the very supportive CENTCOM letters to us.We can intellectually tar and feather them with a stern rebuff. Can the Centcom guys give us any more stuff--any good goosestepping propaganda crapola that we can worship like that stone owl in San Francisco. Ha Ha

 
At 08 August, 2006 20:48, Blogger shawn said...

Ah, you're one of those believers in the disinfo agents, eh? Guess my first impression of you was right (I should've followed it anyway, anyone who compares us to Nazis isn't playing with a full deck).

 
At 08 August, 2006 20:49, Blogger shawn said...

Also, you have two acronyms mixed up. You want COINTELPRO, CENTCOM is a combat group.

 
At 08 August, 2006 21:02, Blogger Tempestuous said...

Yes, a little insane--maybe like Gibson...But you did not answer the question.

First, I did mean CENTCOM. I have the damn letter from them.

Second, we've been invited to cop stuff off their site. It's in the damn letter.

Third, I want more of the 911 crap. like the debunker site gets--not myths--He's sort of---nuttier than me.

 
At 09 August, 2006 16:43, Blogger Arus said...

anyone have links to the two videos/ Google nixed them.

 
At 10 August, 2006 05:10, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Look Temptuous, your arguments are fallacious because you are trying to imply that people that doubt these ridiculous theories are in ideological lock-step with the administration. I for one am a Marxist-Leninist who lives in Czech Republic, and am certainly not a neocon. My motives for opposing these ridiculous theories is to prevent them from diverting attention from misdeeds that CAN be proven.

There are people here from every end of the political spectrum, if you took the time to notice. You don't even seem to be interested in debate but rather making implications against peoples' alleged worldviews.

 
At 11 August, 2006 10:09, Blogger Tempestuous said...

Are you a secular humanist also, Mr. Lenin guy? I will be writing an article.

 
At 12 August, 2006 06:17, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

I am not a "humanist", but I am an atheist. Do you have some sort of point here?

 
At 12 August, 2006 20:23, Blogger Tempestuous said...

No, I'm just taking a poll for research. I don't think there have been that many aetheists in any other forum/blog comment section. It's interesting. Will you publish you debunking on religion as well? That does not get any publicity at all.

 
At 13 August, 2006 09:35, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Don't ask me because this is not some kind of organized movement.

 

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