Saturday, May 13, 2006

Loosers Make Newsweek

Congratulations 9-11 "Truth" movement!

May 12, 2006 - About 10 minutes into the ultra-low-budget documentary “Loose Change,” now making its way around the Internet, that late, great genius of addled truth-telling, Hunter S. Thompson, is heard giving his gonzo opinion of the way the American press behaved after 9/11. “Well, let’s see, ‘shamefully’ is the word that comes to mind,” he says.

“Fair enough,” I thought.

But then Thompson went on. “You sort of wonder when something like that happens, well, whooo [he stretched out the ‘o’] stands to benefit?” Right there and right then, I realized this would be one of those movies that reveled in conspiracy and revealed little in the way of fact. But I went on watching, because this fantasy begun in France that the United States government actually carried out the 9/11 attacks, ugly as it is, fits neatly with the world’s image of the United States as a land that’s been run by power-mad, supersecretive, hypocritical scofflaw servants of narrow corporate interests ever since the Bush administration came to power.


Well, you know, you might have smelled it from the moment they opened up with the bit about Lyman Lemnitzer.

The writer (Christopher Dickey) goes way off on his tangent, and doesn't return to the Loosers until the third page when he dismisses their effort:

Let me be clear here: I do not for one second believe that the 9/11 attacks were the work of the U.S. government. “Loose Change” doesn’t present a plausible case for conspiracy, only a collection of innuendoes. And when those insidious suggestions are strung together, they imply that nobody actually died in the planes that hit the Pentagon or plunged into a field in Pennsylvania, and maybe not even in the planes that hit the trade-center towers. Somehow, those passengers were all part of a conspiracy, too. No wonder the film ends with an apologia offering insipid sympathy (and, incredibly, a free DVD of the movie) to the families of those who were killed. And no wonder many of those families are bitter about the filmmakers’ trivialization of their and the nation’s tragedy.


You don't have to be a 9-11 expert to tell that Loose Change is going to do more to discredit the 9-11 "Truth" movement than this blog.

21 Comments:

At 14 May, 2006 00:12, Blogger nesNYC said...

You don't have to be a 9-11 expert to tell that Loose Change is going to do more to discredit the 9-11 "Truth" movement than this blog.

There will be no damage. The Newsweek piece only shows that the information on Loose Change is beginning to spread widely though the population and the folks in media circles are starting to get concerned. Their attempt to paint it as loony, insensitive and anti-American ain't workin' basically.

More and more will see it and more and more will connect the dots.

 
At 14 May, 2006 00:15, Blogger nesNYC said...

For those really wishing to sink their teeth in some very well documented political corruption that allowed and mostly likely conspired to but 9/11 together, you'll need to see this:

911podcasts.com presents Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime

 
At 14 May, 2006 06:59, Blogger BG said...

Rather than debate Loose Change, Newsweek or any of the other superficial hooey, take a listen to yesterday's Webster Tarpley weekly installment of his 2 hour broadcast on the current status of world affairs.

 
At 14 May, 2006 07:13, Blogger JoanBasil said...

Did Dickey put a link to Loose Change in that article? I couldn't see one.

I agree with nesnyc. It is a wonderful thing that bigshot journo Dickey is taking on 3 young men in their 20's from Oneonta NY.

 
At 14 May, 2006 08:57, Blogger LT said...

Isn't that what you guys want? All the attention that you can muster? But aren't you just a little hypocritical maybe? Aren't you just angry that Dickey didn't by into the "collection of inneundos" - which is truly what "Loose Change" is. If he would have said that it was great, touching, and a must see for everyone in America, then you guys would be praising him to the high heavens. Truth hurts don't it? By the way - I can't stand Dickey's writing.

And BG, why is it that you are trying to steer the direction of this blog. Didn't they say what this blog was about?

The way I see it, those "3 young men in their 20's from Oneonta NY" owe the citizens of the US an apology, not to mention everyone who has been personally touched by those events. I've always believed that good can come from LEGITIMATE discussion/analysis of events, both current and past. The key word being legitimate. The pile of horse sh*t that is being present as actual, can't even pass the plausible test. You guys wonder why the US's image may have been tarnished a bit? Do you think that its own citizens creating/presenting garbage like this could have anything to do with it? I have been to Iraq and back for my/your country. Not everyone that we went there with came back. You guys should really do some self-evaluation. Think what a dis-service you do to those who have given everything, including their life, for this country, when you defend junk like Loose Change. Does it make you proud? I can't imagine that it does.

 
At 14 May, 2006 09:09, Blogger Simon Lazarus said...

Christopher Dickey is a horrible writer, and an alleged journalist (using the term loosely when it comes to him).

In 1999, he wrote from Paris that Clinton administration officials were telling him on deep background that they had evidence that bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were working together - that they refused to go public with their allegations. The article appears in a January 1999 issue of Newsweak.

Then, after the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Dickey said that he knew that there were NO ties between Saddam and bin Laden - and he went on to basically trash anyone who believed otherwise. What happened to his earlier allegations? They were forgotten.

Dickey is a shallow human being. He writes innuendo, then questions who would question that kind of rumor.

Simon Lazarus
www.joobo.blogspot.com

 
At 14 May, 2006 10:00, Blogger roger_sq said...

No wonder the film ends with an apologia offering insipid sympathy (and, incredibly, a free DVD of the movie) to the families of those who were killed. And no wonder many of those families are bitter about the filmmakers’ trivialization of their and the nation’s tragedy.

" An alliance of 100 prominent Americans and 40 family members of those killed on 9/11 today announced the release of the 911 Truth Statement, a call for immediate inquiry into evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur. The Statement supports an August 31st Zogby poll that found nearly 50% of New Yorkers believe the government had foreknowledge and "consciously failed to act," with 66% wanting a new 9/11 investigation.

Focusing on twelve questions, the Statement highlights areas of incriminating evidence that were either inadequately explored or ignored by the Kean Commission, ranging from insider trading and hijacker funding to foreign government forewarnings and inactive defenses around the Pentagon. The Statement asks for four actions: an immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, Congressional hearings, media analysis, and the formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry.

The Statement's list of signatories includes notables spanning the political spectrum, from Presidential candidates Ralph Nader, Michael Badnarik, and David Cobb to Catherine Austin Fitts, a member of the first Bush administration, as well as Washington veterans like Pentagon whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg and retired CIA analyst Ray McGovern. Other signers range from peace activists like Code Pink co-founder Jodie Evans and Global Exchange's Kevin Danaher to former US Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq, Edward L. Peck; from environmentalists like Randy Hayes and John Robbins to business leaders such as Paul Hawken and Karl Schwarz, CEO of Patmos Nanotechnologies; from populist journalist Ronnie Dugger to renowned investigative reporter Kelly Patricia O'Meara.

The Statement also includes 43 noted authors, including New York Times #1 bestseller John Gray, as well as 18 eminent professors, historians, and theologians. Other notables include five-term Georgia Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, singers Michelle Shocked and Michael Franti, and actors Ed Asner and Mimi Kennedy."

 
At 14 May, 2006 10:20, Blogger James B. said...

from environmentalists like Randy Hayes and John Robbins to business leaders such as Paul Hawken and Karl Schwarz, CEO of Patmos Nanotechnologies;

You guys are still pushing the credentials of Karl Schwarz? Why do you bother to come on this blog and then ignore everything on it?

 
At 14 May, 2006 10:43, Blogger nesNYC said...

You guys wonder why the US's image may have been tarnished a bit?

LOL! I don't "wonder" why, I KNOW why! It seems you can't grasp why because of you propaganda induced patriotic blinders.

Basically, when a nation invades another sovereign nation, it will loose respect regardless of what its citizen’s internal squabbles are. Hitler anyone? All we are trying to do is rectify that situation so we can earn that respect back.

Loose Changes fits perfectly within this scenario because it shows that, at least, some Americans are willing to stand up to their tyrannical government unlike the sorry apologist like those trying to fit the loose ends of 9/11 and pass it all off as coincidence.

 
At 14 May, 2006 10:48, Blogger nesNYC said...

Isn't that what you guys want? All the attention that you can muster? But aren't you just a little hypocritical maybe? Aren't you just angry that Dickey didn't by into the "collection of inneundos" - which is truly what "Loose Change" is.

Oh no, I think that any attention is good attention. I'm not angry about the Newsweek piece, I'm actually pleased that slowly, but surely this topic is getting the attention it deserves. Dickey is doing the truth movement a favor by showing how afraid the "powers that be" are of this topic. Look at the ratings for that story. Last I saw, there were 200+ respondents and it was raking in the 2's. As a "news piece" it fails miserably however, Newsweek is highly circulated and will get many to be curious enough to want to watch Loose Change that they'll go out and find it.

 
At 14 May, 2006 11:10, Blogger nesNYC said...

You guys are still pushing the credentials of Karl Schwarz? Why do you bother to come on this blog and then ignore everything on it?

If you read, I believe he quoted that piece so would it have been proper for him to edit out Schwarz's name? I think not.

But anyway, about this blog, and as usual for the "Brown Shirt" crowd, instead of going after the credibility of Schwarz, why not prove or disprove what he's saying? He said the part looked like it belonged to some military plane, that's it! Why not have another expert refute that instead of TRYING to disprove what he said by trying to prove he's a "quack?"

This blog and the believers of the official fantasy NEVER actually address the facts in this way but rather resort to dig up questions about the people making the statements and in that sense, defeat their argument all together.

 
At 14 May, 2006 11:17, Blogger Realist06 said...

The Newsweek hit piece is great news for Loose Change AND the Truth Movement. The more hit pieces in the mainstream we see, the more we know LC is penetrating.....sweet!

 
At 14 May, 2006 11:19, Blogger Realist06 said...

I think this blog is also doing a great job in giving more exposure to LC. Nice job guys!

 
At 14 May, 2006 12:08, Blogger roger_sq said...

You guys are still pushing the credentials of Karl Schwarz? Why do you bother to come on this blog and then ignore everything on it?

Actually, no. I didn't want to selectively ignore the poeople on the list who I don't agree with.

I.e., I didn't want to do what you just did.

Since you went there, please proceed in refuting the credibility of the 40 9/11 family members and 100 prominent Americans. You started it, go ahead. We already know how you feel about Ms. McKinney, add her to the list with Schwarz and the enviros if you like. 136 to go, good luck!

 
At 14 May, 2006 13:15, Blogger Paul said...

You really are sick. 40 family members of 3000 victims adds up to what, 1 of every three hundred to a thousand family members of a victim want a further investigation, and good for them. They should get answers. But please, that's quite different from accusing the government of conspiracy.

 
At 14 May, 2006 13:38, Blogger roger_sq said...

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At 14 May, 2006 13:43, Blogger roger_sq said...

Who is sick?

Here is who is a nice collection of the sick:

www.justacitizen.com/articles_documents/Letter_to_Kean.pdf

 
At 17 May, 2006 04:12, Blogger dilbert_g said...

As I posted elsewhere, Loose Change (Hunt the Boeing, In Plane Site) was DEBUNKED YEARS AGO by serious 9-11 researchers.

Some predicted that LC and it's cousins would be USED to DISCREDIT serious 9-11 questions.

It's hard to tell who is serious, most people have some serious flaws, but mixed in with all the bull, there are serious facts.

911truth includes John Gray (Venus and Mars), who has business connections to Adnan Kashoggi of Iran-Contra. That alone should tell you something -- not that there's no conspiracy.

Ruppert puts out fine info, alongside Peak Oil stuff that seems to be oil company propaganda. He's tied in with ASPO, which gets funding from i think Halliburton.

Alex Jones has some serious stuff, some over the top stuff, some ridiculous stuff, some far right anti-communist stuff (fit right in with LGF if they werent sucking off Bush). His videos include some solid stuff (Nazis marching down Broadway in the 30's, ties to P. Bush), how the UN is terrible not peaceful but it fools the Left, and lots more, but also stupid stuff and some good guest and whacko guests. At least Paul Craig Roberts on his site is credible as the Father of Reaganomics.

Paul Thompson's timeline is kick-ass, but his dumbass conclusions are a "limited hangout" of "govt failure" despite his listing dozens of cases where the FBI was ordered to LOOK AWAY at any evidence connecting to the Saudis (CIA, oil), and many, many other anomalies.

Dan Hopsicker has some solid videos, but his conclusions point to the Saudis, and ignore two decades worth of Pentagon analysis on CIA collusion with the Saudis and Pakis on the Al-Qaeda Project, (unless he thinks investigating the Saudis would lead to the White House and CIA). (James Baker blocked the lawsuit against the Saudis, on "diplomatic immunity" from civil suits.) Hopsicker focused on links btw Atta, the flight school, and drugs -- but there's questions about Atta in the first place: did his passport really fly right out of the fireball? (but if do take as face value that Atta was the culprit, then his Flying Circus documentary is a blockbuster pointing straight to a bunch of Iran-Contra and WH connections to the Flight Schools (CIA fronts) .. but I no longer believe that Atta was more than an Oswald)

translated: download the Flying Circus movie from my site anyhow

Hopsicker's interview of Atta's stripper girlfriend is not very credible.

There's a whole bunch of websites which link up to one or more "In Plane Site" type stuff. Letsroll911, 911strike, etc.

Then there's WingTV and the extreme right/anti-semetic/neo-Nazi "the Jews did it". Yes, the Pentagon is run by Zionists, some were even convicted or "watched" as spies for Israel. But no, Israel didn't do it. Not alone, anyhow. Israel has TOO much influence over US politics and they get TOO much money (and I'm Jewish). However if CIA and MI6 were involved, then Mossad surely was too. Don't forget KGB, Bush and Putin seem pretty tight, and Russians found evidence that Beslan was a govt op. There's a long history of real and rumored false-flag operations by Mossad and Shin Bet, some in Haaretz (fake Al-Qaeda) and some in Fed testimony by some FBI asset, they helped us train LatinAm death squads. The Indonesian (Bali bombing) President was quoted saying the terrorists are tied to Intelligence, and CIA runs Indo Intell.

I'm TRYING to stay clean and be different, but I've recently learned more and have not yet had time to weed out all the HOAXers on my site.

Anyhow, some of them, even flawed ones, do prove that the story is NOT kosher. They just bury it under bull.

www.Takeoverworld.info

 
At 17 May, 2006 04:17, Blogger dilbert_g said...

I meant to say "two decades worth of Pentagon analysis on how we should INVADE SAUDI ARABIA AND SEIZE ARAB OIL", one article written in 1975 Harper's mag by "Miles Ignotus".

CIA collusion with Saudis and Pakis on funding Al-Qaeda was a separate issue, I ran them together.

 
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At 18 September, 2006 10:14, Blogger Colonel Kilgore said...

The makers of loose change are in the exact same camp as those who believe in a half baked conspiracy concerning JFK and aliens at Roswell. Theyre just plain kooks, pure and simple.

 

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