Sunday, June 04, 2006

Allahu Akhbar

This isn't a Loose Change specific thing, but I have seen this posted in the comments here, and it is really annoying me. The CTs claim that the United 93 flight recorder was faked, because the hijackers chanted allahu akhbar, "God is great" as they flew into the ground. The loosers appear to have got this theory from the 9/11 "scholars" who claim:

Another blunder was noted by a Muslim member of S9/11T. The last words of the "hijackers" on the tape are "Allah is great! (Allahu akbar!"). Muhammad Columbo says, "The last words of a Muslim cannot be these! They are used in the call to prayer, or in an attack at war. On the moment of death, a Muslim must confirm that "There is but one God, Allah, and that Mohammed is his prophet!" The government's own evidence proves either the tapes or the Muslims are fake.
OK, I did find a website which states that it is "recommended , if at all possible" that "la ilaha illa allah" be your last words, but who cares what is "recommended", the last I heard strapping explosives to your body and blowing yourselves to little bits wasn't supposed to be "recommended" in Islam either, but they don't appear to be paying much attention to that. So what do terrorists actually say while carrying out an attack that will most likely result in their death? Even the "scholars" themselves say that "allahu akhbar" is something they say during an attack.

Well apparently, the word isn't getting out to the suicide attackers. Maybe the 9/11 "scholars" can donate some money to the madrassas to educate potential jihadist on proper religious procedure?

I guess she hasn't heard:

MOSCOW – The young woman was smiling and waving as she approached the bus that had stopped at a railroad crossing near the Caucasus town of Mozdok, North Ossetia.

When the driver refused to open the doors, she tried to lunge beneath the vehicle. Witnesses said she screamed "Allahu akhbar" (God is great).

Then came an explosion that killed at least 17 people, mostly military personnel headed to work at Prokhladny Air Force base, the main base for Russian operations in the neighboring breakaway republic of Chechnya.

Or him:

About 35 minutes later, Egyptian police Brig. Gen. Mohammed al-Zamlout was riding in a car when a suicide bomber riding a bicycle struck the vehicle. "I heard the man yelling 'Allahu Akbar' (God is great) and then a big explosion hit our car," al-Zamlout said, his blue uniform splattered with the bomber's blood.
If you don't believe me, watch this amazing video of an unsuccesful sniper attack on a US soldier in Iraq, while chanting "allahu akhbar". Unfortunately in this case the terrorist managed to survive, although only because his intended victim, showing an incredible amount of forgiveness, performed first aid on him.

20 Comments:

At 05 June, 2006 06:26, Blogger shawn said...

I've also seen an IED video where you hear the men off camera continually utter the phrase "Allahu ackbar".

 
At 05 June, 2006 07:05, Blogger JoanBasil said...

Well, a sniper attack would be a different context than the moment of death, wouldn't it? And witnessess saying they heard "Allahu Akbar" doesn't mean they did hear that rather "la ilaha illa allah."

I spoke with a Muslim about this and that last statement is a statement of belief, "There is but one God" and the next line is "and Mohammed is his prophet." In fact, according to this Muslim, the word "Islam" means "believer."

 
At 05 June, 2006 08:13, Blogger James B. said...

Yeah, just like 100 people who saw a plane crash into the Pentagon, didn't really see that, they saw a cruise missile.

It is pretty convenient when you can ignore any facts which contradict your argument.

 
At 05 June, 2006 09:30, Blogger undense said...

I spoke with a Muslim about this and that last statement is a statement of belief, "There is but one God" and the next line is "and Mohammed is his prophet." In fact, according to this Muslim, the word "Islam" means "believer."

Well then he's a pretty poor Muslim, doesn't know Arabic, or he's simply full of it because "Islam" means "submission."

Look it up if you don't believe me.

 
At 05 June, 2006 09:46, Blogger James B. said...

Joan, since you are the one arguing against the generally accepted view, it is your obligation to provide the proof. Please provide several examples, as I have done, of Islamic terrorists, chanting ""la ilaha illa allah." while carrying out a suicide attack.

This should be easy to do, since you argue this is what they are required to say by Islam. I'll tell you what, when you find them, I will even let you put it in your own guest column.

 
At 05 June, 2006 09:57, Blogger JoanBasil said...

1. submission to God, right? i.e. belief. Its an Abrahamic religion, like Christianity and Judaism. http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religion

2. Thanks for the offer of a guest column but no, I just like to carp and snipe at other people.

3. You know there are people saying they saw a missile or a military plane as well as people saying they saw a Boeing. The only point you can take from it is that eyewitnesses differ. The homeless drug addict could be right and the one with a Ph.D. could be wrong.

 
At 05 June, 2006 10:27, Blogger James B. said...

You know there are people saying they saw a missile or a military plane as well as people saying they saw a Boeing.

No there aren't. There is one person I know of who says it was a smaller plane, just a matter of depth perception there.

Thanks for the offer of a guest column but no, I just like to carp and snipe at other people.


So otherwise, you are lying, and you know you cannot back it up.

 
At 05 June, 2006 10:35, Blogger undense said...

Immediately after hurricane Katrina, there were people claiming hundreds of deaths in the Superdome, gang rapes, roving gangs firing at helicopters, etc. All of it was regurgitated ad naseum by the MSM too who supposedly based their stories on eyewitness accounts. Then it was perpetuated by the left and immediately taken as gospel simply because it fit in conveniently with their political worldview.

Once the chaff was seperated from the wheat ho9wever, it turned out those stories were all bogus. Why am I making reference to hurricane Katrina and the stories in this thread? Because it points out precisely how an existing bias can over-rule critical thinking and analysis. Using an existing bias of "You can't ever trust the government." skews any kind of critical thinking right from the git go. And that's why many who participate in this forum deem it unwise to take joan, bg, or some of the others here seriously. (Besides the weak "evidence they cite.) They've all made it crystal clear that they harbor such a bias and they use it frequently as their reasoning and as a rebuttal.

Until those folks can put that belief aside and look at the actual evidence without bias, everything they claim will be tainted by it and their conclusions will never be valid.

 
At 05 June, 2006 10:52, Blogger JoanBasil said...

james,
oof. No, I'm not lying. I was making a little joke. I don't want to write a guest column.

Rumsfeld himself called it a missile and you know that.

 
At 05 June, 2006 11:52, Blogger James B. said...

You don't have to write a guest column. I was just asking you to back up your assertion. You can't, which indicates you are lying.

Rumsfeld himself called it a missile and you know that.


That is not what you said, you claimed people saw a missile.

You know there are people saying they saw a missile or a military plane

There are people who compare it to a missile, either intentionally or inadvertently (look up simile in the dictionary) but not a single one of the hundreds of witnesses claims they "saw" a missile. That is hard fact, period, you cannot deny it. You are lying once again.

 
At 05 June, 2006 11:58, Blogger undense said...

joan,

Please. You just keep digging it deeper and deeper for yourself. Here's what Rumsfeld said:

"Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center."

It's one of two things. Either it's a spoken error by Rumsfeld or it's a transcription error. It more correctly should have been "as a missile".

It doesn't really matter though because Rumsfeld makes it perfectly clear that it was an American Airlines flight filled with citizens. You are demonstrating the penchant for CTs to take statements out of context.

 
At 05 June, 2006 13:02, Blogger soyongdori said...

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At 05 June, 2006 13:04, Blogger soyongdori said...

"Evidence for the missile theory? -- Hardly. A jetliner used as a weapon is often referred to as a missile."

 
At 05 June, 2006 16:05, Blogger shawn said...

In fact, according to this Muslim, the word "Islam" means "believer."

Islam means submission. Literally.

 
At 05 June, 2006 16:07, Blogger shawn said...

Also, as I pointed out to another resident moron, a missle is any projectile. A plane used to crash into a building is a projectile.

 
At 06 June, 2006 06:31, Blogger JoanBasil said...

shawn,
"submission" doesn't have just one nuance of meaning in English, let alone Arabic. Submission to God, the one God, as opposed to multiple gods that the pagans believed in. A belief in the one God so strong that Abraham would sacrifice Isaac.

 
At 06 June, 2006 17:14, Blogger Alex said...

What the hell? So now you're agreeing that it means "submission", but trying to say "it's ok, because they mean the OTHER kind of submission"? Stop popping those pills lady. The problem with their idea of submission is that they want US to submit to their god also.

 
At 06 June, 2006 19:31, Blogger JoanBasil said...

Alex,
What is the Muslim submitting to besides God?

 
At 06 June, 2006 20:27, Blogger undense said...

joan,

Do you not comprehend that in this context submission does not just mean "to god"? It means submission of "your life to god." In Islam that's not meant in a figurative sense either, but a literal one.

That's why you see certain people of the Islamic persuation blowing themselves up.

 
At 06 June, 2006 21:25, Blogger shawn said...

Alex,
What is the Muslim submitting to besides God?


But they don't only want their own submission to God, but all submission. That's why everything but dar al-Islam is dar al-Harb (House of War).

 

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