Thursday, July 27, 2006

Another Loose Change Debunker

Here's a guy who's a little tired of all the exhortations to watch Loose Change. (Strong Language).

48 Comments:

At 27 July, 2006 14:34, Blogger default.xbe said...

i dotn even have to click on the link to know what it says, maddox is great, lol

 
At 27 July, 2006 14:40, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

That is an abosultely hillarious page.

My only comment, is I think he misreads Glenn Beck. Beck actually thinks the CTers are nuts as well. I think the things he refers to were put there to show the rediculousness of some of the CTers theories.

 
At 27 July, 2006 14:45, Blogger default.xbe said...

HE FORGOT TITS OF AMERICA!!!!

 
At 27 July, 2006 14:46, Blogger Jujigatami said...

"Bukakked with stupid" is my new favorite term for the CTers.

Its absolutely perfect in its description.

 
At 27 July, 2006 16:44, Blogger Avery Dylan said...

Like hey, man, am I like still alive?

 
At 27 July, 2006 17:15, Blogger dman said...

the whackjobs at Indymedia are at
it again - one of their moonbats
attended a preview of "WORLD TRADE
CENTER" to see if Stone's film
would convey their conspiracy
theories. According to this
female whack-o Stone's film is
full of all sort of subliminal
"proofs" of their theory. The
banging of the collapsing towers
become explosives going off,
hissing sounds of building burning
are thermite reactions, a shot of
WTC 7 as it collapses proves it was
blown up as squibs go off. Looks
like need someone passing out
tinfoil at the theater!

Having gotten an invitation to an advance screening of Oliver Stone’s latest film ‘World Trade Center’ in San Francisco last week, I gladly took up the offer to see this much-anticipated film.

As a 9/11 Truth activist and I was going to take a decidedly different approach in reviewing the film than other sources. Instead of analyzing the acting, the plot or by speculating on how well it would do at the box office, I instead was going to look at the film for clues that Oliver Stone was aware of problems with the official story and, hopefully, enlighten the viewing audience in his cinematic narrative. Was the Oliver Stone that politically transformed a generation by exposing us to an alternative understanding of the way the world works, like he did in ‘JFK’, still out there? Would he mention Building 7, the explosions heard by rescue personnel going off within the building and other strange anomalies? This is what I had my eyes and ears out for.

The film is based on a true story of two Port Authority policemen, Police Chief John McCloughlin (played by Nicholas Cage), and Rookie William Jimeno (played by Michael Pena) and depicts their harrowing story on 9/11. After a brief introduction to their families, we soon follows the two officers through their routine morning foot patrol, and just a short while later, into to an earth shattering chaos that happens when the planes hit the towers.

After calls for the evacuation of the towers, Port Authority Chief McCloughlin rushes to organize a team of officers to assist people who are trying to get out of the building. As the team of volunteers moves through Tower 2, one can hear the very audible sound of explosives going off all around them. The rookie Jimeno comments on these sounds only to be told by McCloughlin, “Don’t Think, Just Move.” Sound familiar?

Soon, the explosions get more powerful and with a terrible roar Tower 1 comes crashing down leaving the two men buried in the concourse elevator shaft, along with their dead, or soon to be dead, colleagues.

(I would like to stop here in the narrative and give Stone credit for emphasizing the explosions. They were very noticeable and corroborate eyewitness testimony by emergency personnel. 1 point for Stone.)

The drama continues to unfold with interspersed sounds of explosions and another harrowing escape from death as Tower 2 falls down with a crashing roar around the pinned men. After both towers fall, there is an inexplicable scene of more explosions, coupled with hissing sounds and then a scene from Dante’s Hell — flaming boulders fall and molten steel pours on the men to their astonished horror. Once again, the rookie screams in puzzlement and frustration as to what could cause such a thing to happen.

(Here I believe that Stone trying to convey a termite reaction on steel. Another point if he was. (See Stephen E. Jones paper on Thermite and the World Trade Center buildings at http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/

Unfortunately, the officers do not get a reprieve from the horror as many hours later they are rocked once again as Building 7 comes crashing down near them. Here Stone shows a TV news clip, you know that frontal shot of the building that looks like an unmistakable demolition. The puzzled faces on the port Authority officers at headquarters as they view this scene on the television conveys just how incredulous the thought this event was.

(Another point for Stone for showing that Building 7 clip coupled with the incredulous faces of the officers. See WTC7.net for video clip. 3 points in total so far for Stone for showing obvious anomalies in the official story.)

But, having acknowledged that there were attempts of daring on Stone’s part with this film, I am also aware that some of these clues might be too subtle for those who bought hook, line and sinker the official story. The critical details of the explosions and the melting steel (something a regular carbon-based fire cannot do) and Building 7’s collapse tends to get lost by the intense human drama and dialogue unfolding on the screen.

To sum it up, Stone not only did a good job in relating the story of these men and for conveying the emotional and psychological trauma that occurred to them and their families, but for also conveying the message that there are problems with the official story. By emphasizing the explosions, showing the collapse of Building 7 and implying Thermite usage, I believe that he was trying to wake people up to these important issues.

My friend, however, felt that Stone did not go far enough in exposing the evidence and was generally disappointed with the film.

But, in all probability, Stone’s hands were tied as he is basically talking about an event were the perpetrations are still in charge and a studio (Paramount) who did not want to be too adventurous. There was probably only so far he could go.

I know I am being presumptuous by assuming Stone is a disbeliever of the official story of 9/11, but I believe he has giving us enough cinematic clues to conclude that is the case. Will the audience notice is the question.

The movie ends with Dave Karnes (Michael Shannon), a retired Marine who helped rescue the officers saying, “This must be avenged… if only we are brave enough to do so.”

That is a good question. Are we brave enough?

http://www.911truth.org

 
At 27 July, 2006 17:55, Blogger Killtown said...

1) Pat, why would you want to associate and link to such immature fool-mouth people like that? It is a bad reflection on your site.

2) "if his documentary is true, and we've established that the government has no ethical qualms about killing thousands of its own people, then why wouldn't the government kill Avery and his friends as well?"

Hey that's it, kill all the kids who made the very popular gov't conspiracy video. I'm sure THAT won't cause any suspicion.

Come on Pat, I would think even YOU would realise that.

 
At 27 July, 2006 17:58, Blogger Pat said...

"The drama continues to unfold with interspersed sounds of explosions and another harrowing escape from death as Tower 2 falls down with a crashing roar around the pinned men. After both towers fall, there is an inexplicable scene of more explosions..."

Yeah, what's that. More explosives after the controlled demolition? Why would they do that? ;)

 
At 27 July, 2006 18:00, Blogger default.xbe said...

Hey that's it, kill all the kids who made the very popular gov't conspiracy video. I'm sure THAT won't cause any suspicion.

i believe the question was why werent they killed long before it became popular

besides, if the govt is capable of keeping all this under wraps, who cares if they arouse suspicion? if we live in a facist police state who can do anything about it anyway

 
At 27 July, 2006 18:05, Blogger Pat said...

KT, how about killing them before they've become known as the kids that made the popular video? When the only ones who've heard of them are the conspiracy crowd--might scare some of them into silence as well? Or why not just send them down to Camp X-Ray?

I did warn about the foul mouth. One thing you have to understand, KT, is that those of us not in the CT movement find that stuff funny.

If it's funny, I'm going to link to it, because too much of this stuff is serious. Your side finds stuff funny that we don't--take boxcutters as a good example. Neither side finds a lot of humor in the stuff the other side laughs at.

 
At 27 July, 2006 19:03, Blogger shawn said...

1) Pat, why would you want to associate and link to such immature fool-mouth people like that? It is a bad reflection on your site.

Maddox is hilarious. Not only that, he's almost always spot-on in his mocking.

 
At 27 July, 2006 19:18, Blogger Killtown said...

KT, how about killing them before they've become known as the kids that made the popular video?

Oh yeah, that wouldn't cause any suspicion either. MULTIPLE kids mysteriously die when they just made a super conspiracy video that was sure to make headlines. No, no suspicion there either.

I did warn about the foul mouth. One thing you have to understand, KT, is that those of us not in the CT movement find that stuff funny.

I tell you what, keep linking to immature people like that. It only helps my side.

 
At 27 July, 2006 19:28, Blogger tnculp said...

His shot at Glenn Beck is totally off. The caption below the link in his archives says:

"Yes, we are mocking the 20 dollar bill theory..."

Other than that, hilarious. I'm not surprised though. It would be a normal political post if he didn't try to make both sides look like idiots, even if he is wrong.

 
At 27 July, 2006 19:35, Blogger shawn said...

I tell you what, keep linking to immature people like that. It only helps my side.

As long as your side has you (and Dylan, and...well, everyone on your side) we're safe.

 
At 27 July, 2006 19:58, Blogger MarkyX said...

[b]I tell you what, keep linking to immature people like that. It only helps my side.
[/b]

Do you even know how much power Maddox fucking wields? He has major influence over hundreds and thousands of nerds. He did not even spend a penny in advertising and is one of the most highly visited sites on the web.

 
At 27 July, 2006 20:01, Blogger MarkyX said...

Just wanted to add that Maddox's fans make the 9/11 Deniers look like a Cuban Rebel group.

 
At 27 July, 2006 20:26, Blogger shawn said...

Yes, George (that's Maddox's real name) is the god of geekdom. He's book is a riot, too, by the way.

 
At 27 July, 2006 20:35, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

Oh yeah, that wouldn't cause any suspicion either. MULTIPLE kids mysteriously die when they just made a super conspiracy video that was sure to make headlines. No, no suspicion there either.

For once, I agree with KKKilltown. Just on this one issue though. He's still alone on the "jews faked the holocaust and 9-11" and "Hitler was a noble servant of the master race" crap.

The fact is, the MIB's would never kill him. Instead they'd plant a couple kilos of marijuana in his apartment and then just call in an anonymous tip to the police.

Dylan would be effectively silenced for decades (they don;t have to let you talk to reporters while you're in prison). And he'd be permanently discredited after he got out.

And no one would ever suspect anything. Most of us think he's on drugs to begin with.

 
At 27 July, 2006 20:43, Blogger CHF said...

Killtown,

are you on crack?

Let me see if I understand CT logic. You folks think the government would:

- make several airliners and over 200 passengers dissapear
- hit the Pentagon with a missile in broad daylight
- fly a cargo plane into the WTC in broad daylight
- set off CD charges in broad daylight
- demolish WTC7 and have a co-conspirator admit it on TV
- fake passenger phone calls to loved ones
- blame it all on Arabs who are still alive

According to you CTers, the government is willing to do all/some of the above.

But killing a few mouthy 22 year-old punks is deemed too risky and suspicious???

How the hell does that make sense to you?

 
At 27 July, 2006 20:53, Blogger default.xbe said...

Oh yeah, that wouldn't cause any suspicion either. MULTIPLE kids mysteriously die when they just made a super conspiracy video that was sure to make headlines. No, no suspicion there either.

actually iw as thinkign more "local filmmaker dies from apparent drug overdose after being rejected from film school"

naturally the MiBs would confiscate and/or destroy all evidence of loose change so no one would have ever known about it

now for mr rowe, it would be a simple matter to have him recalled to the military, and be KIA

for bermas, id do the drug planting thing, adds credibility to averys death and puts him away for quite some time




man, i should really apply for a job in this conspiracy thing, im coming up with way better ideas than the big shots

 
At 27 July, 2006 21:19, Blogger shawn said...

See, the thing is we can dream up better conspiracies because we use "logic" and "reason".

 
At 27 July, 2006 22:08, Blogger BoggleHead said...

Sir, Iran/Contra is in effect.

Only there's one problem. What if Oliver North's secretary doesn't shred all those documents (or however we found out about Iran/Contra)?

...

...

 
At 27 July, 2006 22:13, Blogger BoggleHead said...

There never was an Iran Contra.

THE PROOF IS THAT FAWN HALL AND OLIVER NORTH ARE STILL ALIVE!!!

 
At 27 July, 2006 23:18, Blogger Killtown said...

Sword of Truth said...For once, I agree with KKKilltown...He's still alone on..."Hitler was a noble servant of the master race" crap.

Sort of Truth, I CHALLENGE you to prove I said anything close to your Hitler quote. If you can't, than you are a such a liar with no credibility (if you ever had any).

 
At 27 July, 2006 23:29, Blogger Killtown said...

According to you CTers, the government is willing to do all/some of the above.

But killing a few mouthy 22 year-old punks is deemed too risky and suspicious???


A few punks that just made a super conspiracy video, yes. Imagine the headlines if they did off them, "See the ground breaking conspiracy video that the 3 young producers were murdered over!" No, that wouldn't make people want to see it more.

Also let's turn it around. Since the gov't would know that most skeptic type people won't believe the gov't would allow CTs like them to live after putting out a video like this, wouldn't it be logical NOT to kill them so it would leave the arguement for people like Maddox to bring up?

 
At 28 July, 2006 00:32, Blogger default.xbe said...

"See the ground breaking conspiracy video that the 3 young producers were murdered over!"

go back and read my comment, the video would have never seen the light of day

 
At 28 July, 2006 01:05, Blogger Killtown said...

naturally the MiBs would confiscate and/or destroy all evidence of loose change so no one would have ever known about it

So how would they be able to do that before it was finished and sent out to many people who had copies of it to further distribute?

 
At 28 July, 2006 01:11, Blogger default.xbe said...

So how would they be able to do that before it was finished and sent out to many people who had copies of it to further distribute?

hey your the one who thinks the walls have eyes, dont you think theyd know when a bunch of kids start asking the wrong questions?

 
At 28 July, 2006 04:14, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

1. Oliver North - Much higher profile than the LC boys ever were or ever will be.

2. I think the attitude stems from the CTers thinking their movement is bigger than it actually is, and hence LC boys, more well known than they really are.

3. MIB wouldn't take them out, they'd just hire a couple of drug thugs or local mafia to do the hit, long after the arrangement was made...

 
At 28 July, 2006 07:30, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

Hey KKKilltown, please find someone who isn't a nazi sympathizer to attack my credibility.

You don't even count as human to me or any thinking person.

Go back to proving that 6 million jews faked thier own death in history's largest life insurance scam and leave the adults alone.

 
At 28 July, 2006 07:48, Blogger CHF said...

Sure Killtown,

the government carries out a terror attack that is 1,000 times more complicated that needed and that's all perfectly reasonable to you.

But snuffing some stupid kids who 99.9% of the population has never heard of is just too damn risky.

"See the ground breaking conspiracy video that the 3 young producers were murdered over!"

Yeah that's it - the guv can destroy the WTC with CD and make it look like a terror attack but they can't kill a few punks without failing to cover their tracks.

Yup, makes perfect sense.

If you're a complete f***ing moron.

 
At 28 July, 2006 08:17, Blogger shawn said...

So how would they be able to do that before it was finished and sent out to many people who had copies of it to further distribute?

If the government's so omnipotent, they'd find out these guys were making the video before they ever finished and silence them then.

 
At 28 July, 2006 08:25, Blogger shawn said...

Yeah that's it - the guv can destroy the WTC with CD and make it look like a terror attack but they can't kill a few punks without failing to cover their tracks.

Not only that, but they made the controlled demolition look identical to a building collapsing on its own.

 
At 28 July, 2006 08:28, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

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At 28 July, 2006 08:32, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

OF COURSE! The perfect pkan for dealing with Dylan has been right before us the whole time and we didn't see it.

If the whole world can be fooled by holographic planes (as claimed by KKKilltown) then how easy would it be to take surveillance footage of Dylan and his girlfriend doing thier thing, digitally blank out the girlfriend and swap in a 9 year old boy?

The guys in the holographic imaging lab where the psuedo-planes were generated are already in for a dollar, getting them to do a dime wouldn't be a big deal.

No hitmen, no drug plants, just Dylan & co. doing hard time in special isolation because the general prison poulation would shiv them on sight.

 
At 28 July, 2006 08:33, Blogger Jujigatami said...

Guys,

Haven't you realized yet that KKKilltown has been Bukaked with stupid?

Probably multiple times.

Can I still say Bukakked?

 
At 28 July, 2006 08:41, Blogger apathoid said...

Bukaked with stupid

That was the single greatest line I've ever read on the internet.

So imaginative, disgusting - yet poetic, and positively dead one accurate.
Maddox has a new fan :)

Anybody see Dylans rebuttal in the LC forums. Pretty funny(in a pathetic way)

 
At 28 July, 2006 11:17, Blogger Killtown said...

So tell me oh wise OCTs, how could the gov't know the LC boys were making this video BEFORE it was released.

And Sort of Truth, what a pansy ass coward you for not being able to take me up on my challenge to you. Thanks for proving yourself over and over again that you are nothing but a liar.

 
At 28 July, 2006 12:34, Blogger default.xbe said...

So tell me oh wise OCTs, how could the gov't know the LC boys were making this video BEFORE it was released.

big brother is watching, right? due to the patriot act privacy is a thing of the past....

 
At 28 July, 2006 13:46, Blogger CHF said...

"So tell me oh wise OCTs, how could the gov't know the LC boys were making this video BEFORE it was released."

Maybe by monitoring the internet to see who was threatening to expose the "truth?"

And assuming the truthers somehow slipped through the dragnet with their first movie, don't you think the guv would have silenced them well before versions 2 and 3?

Exactly what kind of secret service do you think America has? One that can stage massive fake terror attacks but is unable to stop a bunch of playschool revolutionaries like you and Dylan?

 
At 28 July, 2006 16:19, Blogger Killtown said...

And assuming the truthers somehow slipped through the dragnet with their first movie, don't you think the guv would have silenced them well before versions 2 and 3?

Oh yeah, now that really wouldn't cause any suspicion now, wouldn't it? LoL!!!

Exactly what kind of secret service do you think America has? One that can stage massive fake terror attacks but is unable to stop a bunch of playschool revolutionaries like you and Dylan?

Oh they could kill us in a snap. It's the attention and suspicion it will bring afterward that is why they won't.

 
At 28 July, 2006 16:30, Blogger CHF said...

KT,

So you think the guv is brave enough to kill 3,000 people in broadday light in NYC but is too scared to kill you.

You're fucked up.

 
At 28 July, 2006 16:58, Blogger Killtown said...

So you think the guv is brave enough to kill 3,000 people in broadday light in NYC but is too scared to kill you.


They are not scared to kill, they are scared of the outcome. You can't just kill MULTIPLE people who just made a blockbuster conspiracy and not arouse a TON of suspicion! Doing that would surely put that on the headlines of most newspapers around the country which would cause MORE people to see this conspiracy video the gov't killed the makers over. Get it?

Now let me turn it around, if your belief is that if the gov't did commit 9/11 and that they would kill the Loose Change boys for trying to expose them with their video, would the gov't also kill every maker of a 9/11 conspiracy video or website?

PS - I think you are "fucked up" too!

 
At 28 July, 2006 17:31, Blogger shawn said...

So tell me oh wise OCTs, how could the gov't know the LC boys were making this video BEFORE it was released.

If they had the ability to fake phone calls, make planes full of people disappear, use controlled demolitions to destroy massive buildings (not to mention make them exactly mimic a naturally collapsing building and look nothing like a controlled demolition), then have Osama eventually admit to the crimes, shoot a missle into the Pentagon (and pay off tons of witnesses), and drop God knows what into a field in Pennsylvania (again paying off witnesses to say they saw a plane, plant bodies, and plant plane parts)...I know finding out some punks were making a movie wouldn't be too hard.

 
At 28 July, 2006 21:19, Blogger CHF said...

KT,

ah so they fear the outcome of killing you, but not the outcome of getting caught killing 3,000 people in NYC on 9/11.

Uh huh.

Get over yourself chump - you're just a punk kid who thinks he's Neo living in a real world Martix.

And no, the government wouldn't have to kill every 9/11 CTer. Just the ones like Dylan who get exposure.

But they can't even be bothered with those ones for some reason.

Weird, eh?

 
At 28 July, 2006 22:21, Blogger Dog Town said...

Once again we are trying to make sense of KKK Clown ! Here are your memoirs, hope you save them all!!!
15 minutes is all you will get! Are these really the ones you want??? I am guessing,yes!!!!

 
At 29 July, 2006 04:23, Blogger apathoid said...

So tell me oh wise OCTs, how could the gov't know the LC boys were making this video BEFORE it was released.

C'mon, think outside the box, Killtown. The Patriot Act made it easy for CIA shills to snoop on/eliminate any possible threats to the establishment. Its pretty simple if you do the math.
Also, not a single 9/11 CT website has been shutdown, or the proprieters silenced, harassed, or fired? Why is that? Surely, after the mistake of letting Loose Change come to be, they'd have kept a more watchful eye...but they havent. Either the Zionists/Neocons/New World Order/Bohemian Grove Members/Bilderbergs/Reptoids dont give a rats ass about being caught, tried for mass murder and treason and executed - or - there is no conspiracy, and you are simply a sheep who is in denial of the Truth

Using CT-speak idioms against them is fun!

 
At 29 July, 2006 06:41, Blogger Rowe_Korey said...

Dylan,

Is that you?

 

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