Wednesday, August 23, 2006

The Real Scientific Method

Here's a very cool article about one of the JREFers and the experiments he's been conducting to debunk Professor Jones:

But, in fact, Sanders figured out a simple way – several simple ways – to get aluminum to burn. All it takes is bare aluminum, rust and heat.

With a researcher’s true curiosity, Sanders tried various sources of “rust” – iron oxide – including meat. Unfortunately, there was a lot of meat available on Sept. 11, 2001.

He wrote Tom that he got better results with beef liver than with beefsteak. That’s what held Tom’s finger off the delete key.


Very interesting article; be sure to read about how Sanders has been mentioned three times in Ripley's Believe It Or Not.

45 Comments:

At 23 August, 2006 17:23, Blogger Dog Town said...

I wanna hang out with this guy!
Hydrogen Cannons, Guns, Explosions,I'm in!

 
At 23 August, 2006 17:54, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Not sure I prefer the term "meat" in this particular incidence (referring to body parts on 9/11). Apart from that, sounds intriguing

 
At 23 August, 2006 18:01, Blogger Dog Town said...

Yeah, I think I even read it as flesh in my head. Meat was kinda creepy!

 
At 23 August, 2006 18:33, Blogger CHF said...

Debunking Stephen Jones is easy.

Just ask him how it's possible to get thermite to suddenly start burning sideways on dozens/hundreds of different support beams at the exact same time.

 
At 23 August, 2006 19:11, Blogger nesNYC said...

Hey, that's like the guy standing on the milk crates trying to make them collapse after he heated them with charcoal right? :D

 
At 23 August, 2006 19:13, Blogger nesNYC said...

Debunking Stephen Jones is easy.

Not really. What about the molten metal found during the excavation weeks after the attack? Nothing, I mean absolutely nothing can explain that other than explosives/thermite.

 
At 23 August, 2006 19:17, Blogger James B. said...

Explosives cause metal to be hot weeks later?

 
At 23 August, 2006 19:20, Blogger default.xbe said...

Hey, that's like the guy standing on the milk crates trying to make them collapse after he heated them with charcoal right? :D

its all the conclusions, looking at burnign aluminum and concluding aluminum can burn is one thing, looking at chicken wire and cinderblocks and concluding the twin towers fell from explosives is another entirely

Not really. What about the molten metal found during the excavation weeks after the attack? Nothing, I mean absolutely nothing can explain that other than explosives/thermite.

fires burned underground for months, with all the debris on top of them the heat couldnt escape, so the metal just got hotter and hotter, but seriously, explosives and thermite dont explain molten metal WEEKS LATER any better

 
At 23 August, 2006 19:46, Blogger Chad said...

Nothing, I mean absolutely nothing can explain that other than explosives/thermite.

I have to 2nd James B on this. Explosives don't burn or heat things. They blow them apart by force. Thermite, on the other hand DOES burn... but it does so extremely quickly.

There's no way, I mean absolutely no way that thermite would be burning months after the attacks.

 
At 23 August, 2006 20:23, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

What about the molten metal found during the excavation weeks after the attack?

Wow more bullshit desiged to look like the truth.

 
At 23 August, 2006 20:37, Blogger Richard said...

The sad thing is this guy can get aluminum to burn in different ways but a college professor can't.

 
At 23 August, 2006 21:10, Blogger nesNYC said...

fires burned underground for months, with all the debris on top of them the heat couldnt escape, so the metal just got hotter and hotter, but seriously, explosives and thermite dont explain molten metal WEEKS LATER any better

Yes they do! Because with thermite, you don't need the fire to build up, it's already at its hottest when it was buried. The metal was then insulated and remained that way. Now if this were from the jet fuel and the office equipment, it would have to burn an awful long time to achieve the same as thermite and then I doubt those fuel sources could liquefy metal the same way thermite can.

Everyone of the official gurus stayed away from this one. This issue went down the memory hole for the official theorists since it cannot be explained by their failed conclusions.

 
At 23 August, 2006 21:13, Blogger nesNYC said...

Explosives don't burn or heat things.

But if controlled demolition was used, the explosives worked in about 10 seconds to bring down the buildings. Explosions cause heat and in 10 seconds, where's that heat going to end up?

Massive explosions were going on in the basements were I believe explosive charges and termite were timed perfectly to do their jobs.

 
At 23 August, 2006 21:17, Blogger James B. said...

Massive explosions were going on in the basements were I believe explosive charges and termite were timed perfectly to do their jobs.


More of those damn termites. Judy Wood was right!

Explosive charges used in demolitions don't produce a significant amount of heat. They work through pressure not heat. You can blow a steel beam and then go up to it and touch it minutes later.

 
At 23 August, 2006 21:31, Blogger apathoid said...

Yes they do! Because with thermite, you don't need the fire to build up, it's already at its hottest when it was buried.

Complete nonsense. Thermite turns to slag and cools very quickly after its done its job. It also has its own fuel supply; oxygen does nothing for it once its already started burning.

What does this mean? As I told Eli in TAMs blog, if thermate/ite was still burning 8 weeks later, they used 40,000 times as much as they needed.

Think about it - they needed enough so that each charge could burn 2 minutes maximum, which is more than enough if you've ever seen Thermite in action. 2 minutes.
8 weeks is 80,640 minutes, I'd like to see some calculations on how much thermate would be needed to burn that long....probably more than has ever been produced.

 
At 23 August, 2006 21:59, Blogger default.xbe said...

Yes they do! Because with thermite, you don't need the fire to build up, it's already at its hottest when it was buried. The metal was then insulated and remained that way.

insulated yes, but not nearly well enough to keep metal molten for 8 weeks with no additional heat

Now if this were from the jet fuel and the office equipment, it would have to burn an awful long time to achieve the same as thermite

8 weeks enough for you?

and then I doubt those fuel sources could liquefy metal the same way thermite can.

thermite doesnt really liquify metal, just slags it, also the heat is concentrated in one spot, so it would burn a hole in metal, not melt an entire girder (a slow, even heating process would be needed for that)

Everyone of the official gurus stayed away from this one. This issue went down the memory hole for the official theorists since it cannot be explained by their failed conclusions.

thats because its a non-issue, same reason no one cares what hani hanjour ate for breakfast that day

But if controlled demolition was used, the explosives worked in about 10 seconds to bring down the buildings. Explosions cause heat and in 10 seconds, where's that heat going to end up?

dissapating in the air in about 10 seconds, CD explosives dont even generate much heat, mostly pressure (and the pressure wave is what cuts the steel)

Massive explosions were going on in the basements were I believe explosive charges and termite were timed perfectly to do their jobs.

thermite, timed perfectly? trust me, aint happening

 
At 24 August, 2006 03:15, Blogger shawn said...

Nesnyc truly is the King of Fools.

You do realize metals like aluminum melts at lower temperatures than steel, right?

 
At 24 August, 2006 04:31, Blogger CHF said...

Nazinyc,

How did the story change from "a janitor heard an explosion" to "massive explosions" in the basements?

If you knew ANYTHING about thermite you wouldn't claim it could burn for weeks on end.

And I still haven't heard an explanation of how thermite could be applied to start burning on hundreds of beams at the same time...

 
At 24 August, 2006 05:46, Blogger Chad said...

And I still haven't heard an explanation of how thermite could be applied to start burning on hundreds of beams at the same time...

JOOOOOOOOS!!!

 
At 24 August, 2006 06:14, Blogger JoanBasil said...

And you talk about kooks.



2800 x (say) 200 lbs per person = 560,000 lbs compared to the weight of the towers is like a dead mouse having anything to do with the burning of a Home Depot store.

 
At 24 August, 2006 07:44, Blogger Chad said...

2800 x (say) 200 lbs per person = 560,000 lbs compared to the weight of the towers is like a dead mouse having anything to do with the burning of a Home Depot store.

.... Random.

 
At 24 August, 2006 08:06, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Has anyone, anyone, come across a demolition of a highrise, prior to 9/11, that was brought down using THERMITE??

 
At 24 August, 2006 08:15, Blogger Chad said...

Has anyone, anyone, come across a demolition of a highrise, prior to 9/11, that was brought down using THERMITE??

I, uhhhh.... well there's, ummmm.... I think one time, uhhhhhm.... Uhhhhhh.... Well shit.

... Joos?

 
At 24 August, 2006 08:19, Blogger nesNYC said...

Has anyone, anyone, come across a demolition of a highrise, prior to 9/11, that was brought down using THERMITE??

No because in legit CT's the building is prepared before hand, this takes weeks to months. The thermite "prepares" the building right away since this was a criminal act also provided cover via hot fires.

 
At 24 August, 2006 10:46, Blogger default.xbe said...

No because in legit CT's the building is prepared before hand, this takes weeks to months. The thermite "prepares" the building right away since this was a criminal act also provided cover via hot fires.

do you even think before you type anymore or does that take too much time?

 
At 24 August, 2006 10:49, Blogger CHF said...

Nazinyc,

Using your extensive knowledge of thermite and controlled demolisions, please explain to me how thermite could be applied to start burning on hundreds of beams at the same time. And try to include an explanation of how it can burn sideways through a beam.

Stephen Jones does't seem to have a fucking clue so maybe you can tackle this one.

If you change the subject or don't reply I'll assume you don't know.

 
At 24 August, 2006 12:30, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Even better, this means that the NEOCONS bet the whole farm on a technique that had never been tried before...

 
At 24 August, 2006 16:18, Blogger CHF said...

C'mon Nazy boy - do it for the Führer!

He stuck it to the evil Jews; now you can to.

Just answer the above question and every Zionist will quake with fear, for their wicked thermite secret will have at last been revealed to the world.

 
At 24 August, 2006 16:37, Blogger shawn said...

Chf, nesnyc is under the bizarre impression that Hitler was a Zionist working for the Jews.

 
At 24 August, 2006 16:42, Blogger apathoid said...

Chf, nesnyc is under the bizarre impression that Hitler was a Zionist working for the Jews.

Somehow, I'm not suprised...

 
At 24 August, 2006 17:07, Blogger CHF said...

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At 24 August, 2006 17:08, Blogger CHF said...

Oh, that's right. Silly me.

Well....um.....stick it to the Jews like Hezbollah and Hamas then!

No wait, they're also Jews aren't they?

Ummm....well then reveal the thermite secret to make the president of Iran happy.

I mean Nazinyc has a pic of him on every post I'm guessing he's not Jewish.

 
At 24 August, 2006 17:48, Blogger nesNYC said...

Using your extensive knowledge of thermite and controlled demolisions, please explain to me how thermite could be applied to start burning on hundreds of beams at the same time. And try to include an explanation of how it can burn sideways through a beam.

Did you ever see this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=545886459853896774

How did the "jet fuel" melt those beams like you see with your own eyes? Now apply that to the hidden charges in the basements and the white puffs of some seen coming from the bottoms of both buildings.

 
At 24 August, 2006 17:50, Blogger nesNYC said...

Chf, nesnyc is under the bizarre impression that Hitler was a Zionist working for the Jews.

See here for the info:

Jim Condit - The Final Solution to Adolf Hitler

 
At 24 August, 2006 18:04, Blogger shawn said...

How did the "jet fuel" melt those beams like you see with your own eyes?

Aluminum can melt.

 
At 24 August, 2006 18:05, Blogger shawn said...

Nesnyc, I can find a documentary "proving" interdimensional reptilians run the world and that you can get free energy. Does that mean both of them are right, too?

 
At 24 August, 2006 20:17, Blogger CHF said...

"How did the "jet fuel" melt those beams like you see with your own eyes?"

Way to go Nessie. Answer my question with another question.

I'll try one last time (with the count no balls and two strikes):

please explain how thermite could be applied to start burning on hundreds of beams at the same time and how it was made to burn sideways.

Either you know the answer or you don't.

 
At 25 August, 2006 01:57, Blogger german engineer said...

hello from hamburg,

well, I´ve been working for the boeing-competitor as a test-engineer for many years. more specificly, I spent 4,5 years in the crash-test department. we have conducted tests for every scenario (explosion inside cabin and outside, engine fire, engine explosion, any kind of wing damage and so on...).
more interestingly for you to know is that we have also had frontal crash tests before landing.
after material examination and calculations, my statement:
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY A BOEING COULD HAVE HIT THE PENTAGON and VAPORIZE AND LEAVING THAT KIND OF DAMAGE.
I cannot get into details about calculation results or further information due to my commitment to my employer.
But I´m telling you one last thing: in my company every engineer (and most coworkers due to the contact to the crash tst department) knows that YOUR GOVERNMENT STORY IS THE BIGGEST LIE EVER.

 
At 25 August, 2006 03:36, Blogger shawn said...

YOUR GOVERNMENT STORY IS THE BIGGEST LIE EVER.

Nah, your post beats it out.

Even an American layman like myself realizes that the Pentagon damage was made by a plane. Most likely because they found the remains of the passengers and PLANE PARTS inside the Pentagon and on the lawn.

 
At 25 August, 2006 04:13, Blogger apathoid said...

But I´m telling you one last thing: in my company every engineer (and most coworkers due to the contact to the crash tst department) knows that YOUR GOVERNMENT STORY IS THE BIGGEST LIE EVER.

Click.Read.Learn

Why are all CTers such stark raving mad, batshit loony pathological liars? Good Christ.

Okay, first off, something tells me you dont work in the aviation industry, much less an engineer for Airbus. Am I right?(its a rhetorical question, don't answer).
Give me one valid email of an Airbus engineer in the "crash department" who "knows that YOUR GOVERNMENT STORY IS THE BIGGEST LIE EVER" ...

With that out of the way, are you familiar with Sandia's F-4 into a concrete wall at 500 mph(800 km/ph)experiment in 1988? If not, I'll let ya in on a little secret - the plane vaporized....and it didnt even have any fuel, or subsequent explosion.

Also, how do you explain all the 757 parts and DNA matching the passengers? Hundreds of eyewitnesses, a flight 77 that never landed and the fact that its occupants never heard from again.

 
At 25 August, 2006 06:12, Blogger german engineer said...

"Okay, first off, something tells me you dont work in the aviation industry, much less an engineer for Airbus. Am I right?(its a rhetorical question, don't answer)"

- no comment.

"Give me one valid email of an Airbus engineer..."

- I´m sorry, I cannot do that. I know this disappoints you but I simply can´t.
What you can do, however, is to research on your own. You will probably get in touch with somebody that is not working for that company anymore. Hint: search for a engineer that worked in Toulouse (France) and Hamburg.

- My intention delivering this information was not to discuss with you. It is a scientific fact based on our calculations. That´s it.
I´m sorry that does not fit your way of thinking.

With kindest regards

 
At 25 August, 2006 07:02, Blogger TeeSeeJay said...

Publish or perish dude. It's not scientific fact until the data has been analyzed, reviewed, and replicated. Scientific facts are not hoards on which you can sit and subsequently crow "I have the facts, and you have to believe me on faith, because I'm not sharing."

 
At 25 August, 2006 13:13, Blogger CHF said...

And Nazinyc takes strike three on the thermite questions!

Didn't even swing that time.

German guy:

"Give me one valid email of an Airbus engineer..."

"I´m sorry, I cannot do that. I know this disappoints you but I simply can´t."

Yeah we know you can't quote people who don't exist.

And no we're not dissapointed or surprised in the least.

 
At 25 August, 2006 23:03, Blogger Alex said...

Hey, German d00d, I work for a Boein-competitor in the psychological analysis department, and over the last few years, through extensive testing, we have discovered that all German people are flaming homosexuals. Sorry to break it to you like this, but that's just the way it is. Now, I can't disclose any of my informatio ndue to my commitment to my employer, however, take my word for it, everyone in my department agrees that THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY A GERMAN PERSON COULD BE STRAIGHT. The only thing we're confused about now is how you're managing to keep the population figures up. Adoption must be real popular over there.

 
At 26 August, 2006 01:21, Blogger Thomas said...

Damn Alex, you beat me on that one. I was typing a longish point on how I have irrefutable proof that all German males (such as me) wear black turtlenecks and love to silly-dance to Techno-Music because Michael Myers has "proven" so in SNL way back. But you were faster. Eins zu null für dich!

And to my fellow countryman "german engineer": ein Deutscher Ingenieur wüßte, wie man die Hochstelltaste bedient (a German engineer would know how to handle caps lock)

 

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