Debunking Uncle Fetzer
Our buddy the Artistic Macrophage has done a splendid job of rebutting Uncle Fetzer's 15 points.
Most experts, and non-experts now agree it was a combination of the plane crashes, the spread of jet fuel through out the building, and subsequent fires, that eventually brought down the towers. As for his comments on the WTC being "Designed" to "withstand" a plane impact, (a) The WTC was not "Designed" for such an impact, but rather, after the designs were finalized, the plans were analysed to see if such an impact would be withstood by the existing design, and this was found to be true. (b) Most experts say that this was infact true, as the buildings did stand for an hour or longer after impact...no one debates (seriously) that the impact by itself brought the towers down, as they obviously didn't.
Highly recommended!
posted by Pat @ 8:03 AM
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15 Comments:
Well thanks for the compliment, but a guy named "baiken" doesn't seem to think so.
I did feel a little honored that a Neophyte like myself pissed them off enough that they published it on the "Libertyforum.org" site, and then proceeded to take strips off of my debating skills.
Gumboot and Wolfshade have since given me some pointers, but more than anything else, they made me realize that little of what this "baiken" guy said was actually attacking the facts and evidence I was using, but rather personal attacks on my skills as a debater, which I only take as a chance to improve...
enjoy the post...
Great debunk
The problem with that "theory" is that there was not enough jet fuel to keep those fires sustained and hot enough. This has been debunked 10 fold by now. Try again.
Nothing else.
Oh, that's right! Office furniture and computers can melt steel! How come I didn't think of that before! duh..
Oh, that's right! Office furniture and computers can melt steel! How come I didn't think of that before! duh..
This translation's a little trickier, but I think it roughly comes out to:
I'm a douche.
when a blacksmith forges something he usually hits it into shape. That is because it would take much longer for the item in question to take the shape he wants by just the heat alone. On the steel columns and components we had many outside forces to help bend and eventually collapse the steel...weight of floors above, damage from plane crashes. These were the Blacksmiths hammer so to speak...
I think he's crunching the numbers.
I just saw a major part of the A&E documentary the other night, and there is GREAT footage of (among other things) the extensiveness of the fires. Primarily that eventually, nearly every window in the building(s) above the impact spots were billowing black smoke, and some visible flame, which indicates pretty strongly that the fire spread considerably after the initial impacts and jetfuel dispersal. Anyone who saw this documentary (and wasn't sitting there the whole time willfully trying to block out or rationalize away stuff disagreeing with the conspiracy theories), would have a hard time seriously debating against the official story...
Well nesnyc keeps throwing out the melted steel nonsense.
(Fires resulting from materials in the buildings could compromise the steel up to 90 percent, it didn't need to melt.)
Falco98;
What was the name of the documentary?
was it Anatomy of 9/11?
On the steel columns and components we had many outside forces to help bend and eventually collapse the steel...weight of floors above,
Not correct. The building was designed to redistribute weight if certain portions of the buildings were subjected to abnormal stresses or damage. The fact that the buildings stood after they got hit proves this fact.
The fires were NOT hot enough to weaken any sections of the steel especially near the top where the video clearly shows the collapses started.
NESNYC said:
Not correct. The building was designed to redistribute weight if certain portions of the buildings were subjected to abnormal stresses or damage. The fact that the buildings stood after they got hit proves this fact.
The fires were NOT hot enough to weaken any sections of the steel especially near the top where the video clearly shows the collapses started.
First off, redistribution of weight, does not ELIMINATE the forces on nay given area, it REDISTRIBUTES them.
Secondly, back up your stupid statement claiming the fires were not hot enough to weaken the steel. I would love to see this EVIDENCE!!!
The fires were NOT hot enough to weaken any sections of the steel especially near the top where the video clearly shows the collapses started.
They were hot enough to cause the steel to lose 90 percent integrity in some areas.
That's quite a big of loss.
%90 ???
Whered that come from ?
the steel acts like a heat sink.
do you know much about your computer ???
the chip, has metal attached to the chip to cool it off.
ever use a soldering iron ?
you need special ones for large peices of metal, thats why to solder air conditioning lines together, you need map gas, it burns much hotter.
the steel would have acted like a heat sink.
Still, jet fuel doesnt burn hot enough for 90% fail
Brad
911review.org
The 9/11 Commission Report backs the FBI's story, flatly stating: "The CVRs and FDRs from American 11 and United 175 were not found."
There are accounts contradicting the official account of the black boxes. Two men who worked in the cleanup operation at Ground Zero claim that they helped authorities find three of the four black boxes in October of 2001. One of the workers, New York City firefighter Nicholas DeMasi, has self-published a book with other Ground Zero workers in which he describes the recovery of the devices. 5 The book, Behind the Scenes: GROUND ZERO, A Collection of Personal Accounts, can be ordered through SummerOfTruth.org.
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