Thursday, August 24, 2006

Scholar Scorecard

Well the "Scholars" for 9/11 "Truth" seem to be the big story of the day. Exactly 3 months ago today I did my first major post on the "Scholars", where I counted and categorized the 76 Full Members of the organization. They have been receiving a lot of press lately, CSPAN, the AP, the NY Times, FoxNews etc., and they have been bragging about their growing momentum, since according to them, 70 million Americans support them.

So I decided to do another count of their Full Members, and found out that after 3 months of unprecedented growth and momentum their ranks had swelled from the previously mentioned 76 to.... 77.

Wow, if they keep this up, at this rate they will be in triple digits by 2012.

They have actually picked up 7 new members.


Anicha Bay - Visiting Professor of English, Kyungpook National University, Daegu, South Korea
Don Bustion - Attorney, Adjunct Professor, Southern Arkansas University
Joseph Diaferia - Political Science and History, State University and City University, New York
Kenneth Kuttler - Mathematics, Brigham Young University
Joseph M. Phelps - Structural Dynamicist Charter Member, Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers
Karen Sugrue - Sociology, Limerick Institute of Technology, Ireland
Doyle Winterton - Civil Engineering Structural Engineering

Most notable in this are the two "civil engineers". I cannot find any reference whatsoever for Doyle Winterton, despite the unusual name. I did find Joseph M. Phelps, and he does appear to be who they claim. They are leaving out the fact that he is also 82 years old, and running a 9 hole golf course in Florida. Probably a nice enough guy, but he might be a little past his prime.

To offset that they lost 6 members. Reynolds and Wood of course everyone knows. The only other notable loss was Jeffrey Farrer, who actually didn't leave the organization, but got demoted all the way from a Full Member to a Student Member. Could this have anything to do with me pointing out previously that he was not a professor, but a lab manager for the physics department at BYU?

Update: This is not verifiable proof, but Pat and others have found a Doyle Winterton in Provo, Utah. It looks like he might have sold a stereo to Steven Jones or something. As for why his entry just says "Civil Engineering Structural Engineering " instead of an actual title or position, well according to the Utah Department of Licensing he had a license as an "engineer in training" but it expired in 1999. Who is next, Steven Jones' pool boy?

18 Comments:

At 25 August, 2006 00:14, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

Most notable in this are the two "civil engineers". I cannot find any reference whatsoever for Doyle Winterton, despite the unusual name. I did find Joseph M. Phelps, and he does appear to be who they claim. They are leaving out the fact that he is also 82 years old, and running a 9 hole golf course in Florida. Probably a nice enough guy, but he might be a little past his prime.

I'd also wanna hear this guy come right out and say "there were explosives (or thermite) in the WTC" or I'll keep saying the truthers have no structural engineers on thier side.

What I find odd about this is that the Scholars know how weak thier position is. If Winterton and Phelps were fully on board with these ivory tower loonies, there would be major triumphant press releases with lots of cheers and hollars from the deniers.

Thier silence over the addition of thier long sought engineers to thier is deafening.

 
At 25 August, 2006 00:29, Blogger Pat said...

Winterton apparently is a former stereo store owner in Provo. I can't imagine how he might have come into contact with Jones, other than the fact that BYU is located there.

 
At 25 August, 2006 10:03, Blogger nesNYC said...

Very non-shocking post. Keep up the great work! :)

 
At 25 August, 2006 10:32, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

Yeah, there are still NO structural engineers who support the controlled demolition theory.

Color us all suprised. [/sarcasm]

The so-called scholars finally nail thier Holy Grail and they say absolutely NOTHING about it. You're the one who thinks there's a jew living under his bathroom sink who pisses in your toothpaste when you're not around. What does this tell your suspicious mind, Nazinyc?

 
At 25 August, 2006 11:07, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

to be a FM they have to have a academic appointment/professorship, or the equivalent, do they not...I doubt either of thsoe two qualify, not that it matters, as I am sure the Schmuck..I mean scholars have no problems breaking their own rules...

 
At 25 August, 2006 12:02, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

I can't imagine how he might have come into contact with Jones, other than the fact that BYU is located there.

Provo is about 80% LDS (aka "mormon"). If Jones and Winterton live within a couple blocks of eachother, there's a strong likelyhood they attend church at the same chapel.

 
At 25 August, 2006 15:04, Blogger apathoid said...

The more I read about these Scholars, the more I think they are collectively braindead.

Okay, if you are gonna "hire" a faker, why on earth would you use his very unique real name so that any skeptics can Google him to find out that not only is there no mention of him in academia(as there is for other FMs), but that that he is some speaker shop owner....this is why they are CTers - no logic or common sense whatsoever.

 
At 25 August, 2006 15:47, Blogger Manny said...

You're the one who thinks there's a jew living under his bathroom sink who pisses in your toothpaste when you're not around. What does this tell your suspicious mind, Nazinyc?

Don't tell Nessie, but there is in fact a Jew living under his bathroom sink who pisses in his toothpaste when he's not around.

You wouldn't believe what it costs to hire three shifts plus vacation coverage of midget agoraphoric Jews who piss fluoride. But it's worth every penny.

 
At 25 August, 2006 16:34, Blogger Andrew said...

re: structural engineer

http://www.911blogger.com/node/2257

 
At 25 August, 2006 17:19, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Old news andrew...we discussed this on JREF last night.

Pegelow is a Texas engineer who work is mainly focused on Oil Rigs. He has ties to Haloburton, so he is probably a govt shill...:)

beyond that, I do not think he is listed as a member, at least not a FM.

 
At 25 August, 2006 17:20, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

I think he may work out of California, but he is listed in Texas.

 
At 26 August, 2006 12:56, Blogger Ronin said...

Everyone of the truthers in the world are all idiots compared to you guys.Hey i heard that Dan ate chiicken nuggets on a saturday when it was 80 degress out surly the truthers can do better than this.Another one of them walked there dog and didnt pick up the feces left.Obviously these 9/11 loosers are just trying to lie and brainwash you i mean cmon now only a total idiot wouldnt see it.

 
At 26 August, 2006 15:51, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

Wow... it took you 5 frigging years to find ONE structural engineer. This one doesn't do skyscrapers either, just 200 foot tall "erector sets".

At this rate, it will take 312 thousand years to convert half the members of the American Society of Civil Engineers to your cause.

You should go back to lying about the FBI not seeking Bin Laden, Andrew. You won't get smarter converts to your cult that way, but you'll get more of the dumb ones faster.

 
At 26 August, 2006 16:23, Blogger apathoid said...

Everyone of the truthers in the world are all idiots compared to you guys

Truer words never uttered...

Obviously these 9/11 loosers are just trying to lie and brainwash you i mean cmon now only a total idiot wouldnt see it.


You should try sarcasm more often, its far more accurate than what you percieve as "reality"

 
At 27 August, 2006 10:24, Blogger Ronin said...

Truer words never uttered if your smarter than me what is my IQ surley you must know it.Also every truther that hasnt even been woke up yet your also smarter than them to.I use sarcasm alot i dont need pointers from people i do not know and do not care about.Ive neevr been a follower and i never will be i only follow the Lord and i know how that burns ur eyes and ur mad now but deal with it.This is the real world.

 
At 28 August, 2006 07:35, Blogger Alex said...

Truer words never uttered if your smarter than me what is my IQ surley you must know it.

I dunno....an ambulatory rock would have to have an IQ of at least 60...so you'd be, what, 65? 70? somewhere in that neighbourhood.

 
At 26 September, 2006 08:46, Blogger Mycos said...

Great to see someone taking on the religious fundies who are pushing this Mormon theocracy movement.

 
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