Tuesday, September 26, 2006

This Guy Is Getting Hilarious

SGT Chavez's hole gets deeper:

Q - How soon after 9/11 did you go to Afghanistan?

It was about 2 ½ weeks after 9/11 that it happened, the 26th, a couple of weeks, few weeks.

That is interesting, because in his original letter he said the 25th. Must be a time zone thing...

Q - Now that you know what you know and you were sent to Afghanistan... Did you still think in your mind that you were trying to get the Taliban, Al Qaeda, or Bin Laden?

That’s the thing. I flew into Kabul Airport, like, I mean literally when our C5 came in, we were escorted by jet. We were escorted by F15s and we were getting shot at, like, they were literally, like, pop-shotting up at the planes as we were trying to land because the Special Forces and the Air force para-rescue guys had just, had just cleared it, like, literally like, we were there like, I was there, like, five hours after like, the fire fight where they actually got everybody, like all the Taliban moved back out of the airport so that we could land planes, ya know. So, like, I’m on a, we’re on a big C5 and we’ve got all our vehicles underneath us, and I’m mean, I’m just like, “Oh God, ya know, this thing could fall out of the sky, because it doesn’t ...”

This part is just hilarious. For starters C5s were hardly used at all during the beginning of the war, the airports were not long enough or in good enough shape to handle that large of a plane, the C-130 and C-17 were used instead. Secondly, how did we manage to take over the entire airfield, without anyone other than Mr. Chavez, not even the Taliban apparently, noticing for almost 2 months?

He continues:

I don’t know if you’ve ever seen a C-5 fly, but it looks like it’s not even moving, it’s so big. So it’s really easy to like shoot at, like a machine gun, ya know, and ya know, like, there were bullet holes on the sides of the plane. And of course they didn’t come all the way through, but and we’re all looking at them later and I’m like, “Holy cow, we’re getting shot at!”

Wow, now we have bulletproof C-5s! What will they think of next?

But, yeah, I thought we were going to Afghanistan to hunt down Bin Laden. I’m helping in the search to hunt down Bin Laden. No. Not the case. Actually, I actually was providing communications for special ops guys and then I was pulling roving guard, guarding the pipeline.

Q - Guarding the pipeline for oil for United States... corporate, right?

That’s right. A lot of people don’t know about the pipeline. A lot of people, when I talk about that are like, “What are you talking about?” And I’m like, “Dude, there’s a huge... like, the Alaskan pipeline, that comes all the way through Afghanistan, like down in the Gulf, it comes through Pakistan...” I don’t know where all it goes, honestly I haven’t really found a whole lot on it, but... I was, I had to pull shifts, like every two or three days they’d..... I’ve have to pull a six hour rotation, on top of a humvica(?) driving around pieces, these sections of this pipeline to make sure that, ya know, like, guys weren’t going to come blow it up. And ya know, then, that’s when I started thinking, I’m like, I’m like, well, “What am I here for man? I’m not protecting people, I’m protecting oil!” Ya know, who wants to get shot for that? They give you guys awards, ya know, and I’m just like, “For what? Ya know, what did we do? We protected someone’s money. Ya know, somebody’s investment.”

Yeah, a lot of people don't know about the pipeline, like, for example, the government of Afghanistan!

“The agreement was signed in the expectation that the security situation would change in the next two years,” said political analyst Qasim Akhgar. “It certainly will, but it is not clear whether it will get better or worse.”

The pipeline proposal has been on the table for decades. The first tentative agreement was brokered in 1984, but fell apart because of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Another plan in the early 1990s was scrapped because of the factional wars that followed the Soviet withdrawal.

I am starting to think this guy is just having fun making this stuff up. There are other lies and factual errors in his interview, but I will let others point them out, else this post get too long.

Update: Now Chavez has posted answers to questions people have been asking. Curiously enough, he doesn't address any of the questions we have been asking.

34 Comments:

At 26 September, 2006 16:57, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

I think there is a strong possibility this guy sis actually a debunker, purposely pulling the legs of the CTers...I really do.

TAM

 
At 26 September, 2006 17:01, Blogger CHF said...

Ah yes the pipeline - the one cancelled in 1998 by UNOCAL and never re-started since.

The Afghan-Pakistani-Turkmen government agreed to a pipeline deal in 2002 but they can't attract foreign investment from the USA or anyone else.

No pipeline being built, none in the works.

 
At 26 September, 2006 17:02, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

A simple look with Google Earth over the area where he claims the pipeline is, would show us would it not?

TAM

 
At 26 September, 2006 17:04, Blogger James B. said...

But the pipeline is hidden from the sky by the hologram projectors...

 
At 26 September, 2006 17:13, Blogger 911coverup said...

Two things. The president of afghanistan is a former (or still is) board member of UNOCAL. And opium crop production in afghanistan have gone up 90 percent since the invasion.

Oh yeah and each Taliban soldiers are making 5 bucks a day in opium trafficking.

Heckuva job, bush.

 
At 26 September, 2006 17:19, Blogger James B. said...

The president of afghanistan is a former (or still is) board member of UNOCAL.

No actually he isn't. A French newspaper once claimed, without listing a source, that he once worked as an consultant (not a member of the board) for UNOCAL, but it has never been shown that he was, and nobody else has ever claimed that.

You can file that with your "Marvin Bush was the head of security at the WTC" stories.

Regardless it still does not make a pipeline magically appear running through Kabul.

 
At 26 September, 2006 17:20, Blogger SFC B said...

I don't know if 911Coverup's comments count as a Strawman or not. This post was about SGT Chavez and his lies. Not about the business connections of politicians.

 
At 26 September, 2006 17:29, Blogger 911coverup said...

"Karzai, a former lobbyist for the U.S. oil and gas company Unocal, cited the desires of the Afghan people, the international community and the United States as the factors behind October's successful presidential election."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/12/karzai/index.html

 
At 26 September, 2006 17:35, Blogger 911coverup said...

Afghan opium corp jumps to 90 percent

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060902/wl_afp/afghanistandrugscrime

 
At 26 September, 2006 17:36, Blogger James B. said...

A lobbyist? You said that he was on the board of directors. Big difference. Regardless it still does not create a pipeline!

 
At 26 September, 2006 17:37, Blogger 911coverup said...

"NATO officials say the Taliban seems to be flush with cash, thanks to the guerrillas' alliance with prosperous opium traffickers. The fighters are paid more than $5 a day—good money in Afghanistan, and at least twice what the new Afghan National Army's 30,000 soldiers receive."

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Newsweek_features_Losing_Afghanistan_in_international_0925.html

 
At 26 September, 2006 17:42, Blogger 911coverup said...

I wonder who the drug traffickers are!! Could one of them be...the former lobbyist of unocal and current president of afghanistan???

 
At 26 September, 2006 17:49, Blogger shawn said...

I wonder who the drug traffickers are!! Could one of them be...the former lobbyist of unocal and current president of afghanistan???

Uh no.

The farmers growing opium.

 
At 26 September, 2006 17:50, Blogger shawn said...

I don't know if 911Coverup's comments count as a Strawman or not.

They're red herrings.

 
At 26 September, 2006 17:53, Blogger ScottSl said...

A complete joke. The craziest thing is there are CT'ers that believe him. The pipeline thing just cracks me up. Man this guy is just horrible.

 
At 26 September, 2006 17:57, Blogger Alex said...

Is there any conspiracy theory this guy WON'T beleive?

Hey 911, you think we ever landed on the moon?

 
At 26 September, 2006 18:32, Blogger Crungy said...

Christ, this loon grabs me and shoves me into the Way Back machine. Sherman and Peabody, take me back to the year 1991, when the Fletcher Prouty had his year in the spotlight.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/prouty.htm

 
At 26 September, 2006 19:27, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

like all the Taliban moved back out of the airport so that we could land planes, ya know.

Well geez but of course after all that IS what armies do after all!!

Mighty nice of em!!

 
At 26 September, 2006 19:28, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Old ideas...Old CTs...fading...being debunked...must...find...new...bullshit...to spue...ahh...Afghan Opium crap....ahhhh..

now where was I?

 
At 26 September, 2006 19:30, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

I’m like, “Holy cow, we’re getting shot at"

That is shocking that the enemay would shoot at us!

But then again a moment ago he said they were kind enough to move out of the way so we could land?

WTF?!?!

 
At 26 September, 2006 22:50, Blogger nesNYC said...

Yeah, it's true! THE US GOVERNMENT INFORMED OTHER NATIONS
OF ITS PLAN TO INVADE AFGHANISTAN
MONTHS BEFORE THE 9/11 ATTACKS

 
At 26 September, 2006 22:59, Blogger James B. said...

Hey, if you can't trust former Pakistani diplomats, who can you trust?

 
At 26 September, 2006 23:12, Blogger mbats said...

Assuming your accurate sources haven't been retracted the story for lack of evidence since then, what exactly does that prove, nesnyc? Are you trying to imply that they only became a legit target after 9/11? I mean, the Taliban were harboring someone on the FBI's ten most wanted list, and were steeped in the heroin trade. I find it comforting to hear that they did have plans on the board to go after them.

 
At 26 September, 2006 23:18, Blogger nesNYC said...

I find it comforting to hear that they did have plans on the board to go after them.

And how convenient 911 happened for them to spring into action no? You guys give the phrase "give benefit of the doubt" new meaning!

 
At 27 September, 2006 00:02, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

The US always has plans ready to invade any number of a dozen countries. The war plans are kept on file in case of any crisis wich may require a military intervention.

The Americans had plans back in the 1920s to invade Europe, the paciific rim and even canada. Two of these war plans were put into effect after the US entry into WW2.

That's how the military in the real world works. High ranking officers and civilian experts make guesses at where the next war will be and they make plans to fight those wars in case the need arises.

In Nesnyc world, there are no far-sighted military commanders. No one makes contingency plans of any kind because they'd rather wait until war is declared before they think about how to fight it and send troops and supplies to the battlefront. Because the last thing they want is to upset a hitler hieling neo-fascist piece of shit who sees jews hiding behind every lamppost if they do need to go to war.

 
At 27 September, 2006 03:32, Blogger Pepik said...

Also, the military never runs drills, except on the days they are launching massive covert ops.

 
At 27 September, 2006 04:20, Blogger Simon Lazarus said...

My God, is this "Lauro Chavez" an out and out liar. He is a bad liar at that.

How long before he is exposed as a fraud is anyone's guess. But it will happen. Because someone so out of the know, who makes shit up as he goes along, and it is shit that is wholesale lies, cannot stand for long.

But the Left loves him. How apropos.

 
At 27 September, 2006 05:23, Blogger riverine said...

Read some of his answers and his stated "request of a Chapter 13 discharge" to attend school is bogus. Google UCMJ Chapter 13 discharges and you'll find that you don't request such...nor are they given for early out education requests. We used to give them for druggies....

 
At 27 September, 2006 05:39, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Did anyone check to see exactly what unit this guy claims to have been a part of when in Afghanistan? "SOCOM" doesn't cut it.

 
At 27 September, 2006 09:33, Blogger James B. said...

He hasn't said anything other than SOCOM, which is quite odd considering he was assigned to CENTCOM at the time. Who repaired Tommy Frank's home computer while he was gone?

And I am quite sure that the Special Forces have their own people who know how to operate and maintain radios.

 
At 27 September, 2006 11:59, Blogger Richard said...

And I am quite sure that the Special Forces have their own people who know how to operate and maintain radios

Well you obviously have never played SOCOM before. My fireteam sucks, they can't even clear a room without occasionally throwing the flashbang on the outside of the building. Everyone knows SOCOM needs regular army tech guys to do the "brains" of the work!SHILL!!!!!!!!!!

 
At 27 September, 2006 15:15, Blogger The Reverend Schmitt., FCD. said...

And how convenient 911 happened for them to spring into action no?

Yeah, I mean it's convenient that Osama bin Laden was already on the FBI top ten wanted fugitives list for bombing US Embassies and also organised the bombing of the USS Cole and attempted the same on the USS The Sullivan. Bin Laden's terrorist attacks on American targets would have served the perfect excuse to arrest him...too perfect.

I'd like to be a conspiracy theorist.

 
At 27 September, 2006 17:21, Blogger Major John said...

Hmmm. I went to Kabul a good half dozen times in 2004 and 2005. North, south east and west sides too. Somehow I missed that pipline.
If that guy thinks he landed in a C-5 at Kabul International 17 days after 9/11, he musyt have been chaptered out for drugs...

 
At 28 December, 2006 20:42, Blogger Lenbrazil said...

Q - How soon after 9/11 did you go to Afghanistan?

It was about 2 ½ weeks after 9/11 that it happened, the 26th, a couple of weeks, few weeks.

[...]

I flew into Kabul Airport



That seems rather improbable since the US didn't attack Afganistan till October 7th and Kabul didn't fall till November 13th

 

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