Lauro Chavez DD-214
Our whistleblower is apparently on Alex Jones' radio show. Trying to defend himself against claims of fraud he has posted Chavez's DD-214 on Jones' website. After a quick glance I notice several problems. First of all, Chavez claimed an 8 month deployment to Afghanistan, but he has no overseas time listed, nor does he have an expeditionary medal or any other medal that would indicate a combat deployment. Under schools he lists the Special Forces Qualification Course (14 weeks), but the full "Q" course is much longer than 14 weeks, and he lists neither the required Airborne training, nor the Special Forces MOS.
posted by James B. @ 10:41 AM
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27 Comments:
I think someone should look into what laws he may be breaking by lying about his qualifications. I mean if someone poses as a physician, and is not one, they are procecuted.
TAM
Firing an M-16 produces much more of a smell(I think it was carbon, and I loved it for some reason).
Was it in the morning? ;)
For a nutter, his bona fides check out pretty well(except the fact that he lied about being deployed to the desert and being SF).
You are being uncommonly kind. That is a pretty big "except".
I meant to say "I spent my leave hanging out on the beach and going to Disneyworld" but it somehow came out, "I deployed to Afghanistan to 8 months where I killed people"
I hate when that happens.
someone get him an interview with Tim Russert or Chris Matthews and see what he has to say. Somehow, I doubt he will ever accept such an interview...but of course, that is because he is afraid of being killed right, not because he is lying.
TAM
I wonder if he met John Kerry in Cambodia one fateful Christmas...
LOL, Good Lieutenant! Don't know if you're aware, but I had the Christmas in Cambodia story 2 months before Unfit for Command came out. :)
Do these people not know what's on a DD-214? Hell I spent half a day finaling out just to make sure they had everything on there. Did this moron not think that maybe there was someone else in the military besides him that would point out the BS?!?
P.S. 7 years and only an E-5 is kinda crappy. I have the impression this guy wasn't very highspeed.
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So apathoid, if he didnt serve overseas, according to his DD214, then he outright lied by saying he was sent to afghanistan?
TAM
Roger might be the dumbest genius in the history of humanity.
I thought that info was really hard to find. Least that's what Karl Rove told me.
It'd be protected, meaning it would be illegal for someone to release it to the general public without the consent of the individual in question. Other than that it's not "hard to find" at all. Maybe you shouldn't put so much faith in Rowe.
Oh that's right...he never served. Just the little stint in the guard he deserted from.
Where he flew one of the most dangerous fighter jets in US mil history. Yep, he's a coward alright.
And what the hell does any of that have to do with your 9/11 denial movement? And why do you have to be such an idiot about it? Why can't you be reasonable for once and say "yeah, alright guys, this 'Sgt Chavez' doofus is full of shit, don't associate him with the movement". A reply like that I could actually have some respect for. Instead you rush to his defence with the same badly formed logic and lack of information which characterizes all of your daily diatribes. Seriously man, Grow up. This "we're always right, even when we're wrong" mindset that you've got going should have been left behind in highschool.
But hey kid, at least I knew there was a roman empire.
Someone didn't read my post. When you didn't realize there was a Republic I outlined the chronology.
I even specifically said the empire started with Augustus.
Try again, dumbass.
Just the little stint in the guard he deserted from.
Someone's been reading debunked memos too often.
I think someone should look into what laws he may be breaking by lying about his qualifications. I mean if someone poses as a physician, and is not one, they are procecuted.
pownetwork.org keeps a running list of those who lie about being Vietnam POWs or otherwise claim to be members of special forces, medal recipents, or other false claims. So far, Chavez has not shown up there. But maybe they just need him pointed out to them.
And I'm not part of any movement one way or any other.
Oh. So you're a lone nut. Please tell me you don't own any guns.
In regards to Sgt Chavez, I will have to await a thorough review by Vanity Fair before conclusively deciding one way or another if his DD-214 is in fact legitimate.
Or you could just stop being a flippin' idiot and try listening to those of us with relevant experience.
Either way works.
In your world, that could never happen. In my world, it did. Which is probably why we will never see eye to eye on the matter of 9/11.
Exactly. I've been around people like your "close friend" enough to be able to smell their bullshit from a lightyear away. I get a kick out of making them look like idiots in extremely public places. Nothing like seeing a super-special-forces-ninja-sniper-airborne-commando telling his war stories in a bar...and then he doesn't even know what caliber of ammo the M-60 fires. So yeah, in your world, shit like that happens all the time. Meanwhile, back in the real world, everyone's having some laughs at your expense.
Thanks!
Yes, I own guns. And I'm buying lots more but I'm very responsible with them.
Yah. I expect I'll be seing your name in the headlines within a few years.
No, I won't take your word for anything, thanks.
Your loss.
Ollie North.
Chuck Norris.
Which is STILL my contention.
Then you were wrong.
You said America was an empire. I gave an historical example of a nation that conquered foreign lands and installed govenors (which we haven't done) and wasn't considered an empire - since the home system was still democratic.
I'm sorry you're too fucking dumb to make connections, roger. I wasn't aware I had to spell everything out for your neanderthal ass.
Well let's look at the definitions:
1. the domain ruled by an emperor or empress; the region over which imperial dominion is exercised
Nope, despite all the moonbats screaming, George W. Bush is not an emperor. So that one's out.
2. a group of countries under a single authority; "the British empire"
This one's touchy, but by any logical reading it would disqualify the US. While you could argue that Afghanistan and Iraq are "under the authority of the US", you'd be wrong. Otherwise you'd have to also consider the UN an empire.
3. a monarchy with an emperor as head of state
Well that's deffinitely not it.
4. conglomerate: a group of diverse companies under common ownership and run as a single organization
Not applicable.
5. an eating apple that somewhat resembles a McIntosh; used as both an eating and a cooking apple
Nope, deffinitely not it.
6. ----An empire (also known technically, abstractly or disparagingly as an imperium, and with powers known among Romans as "imperium") comprises a set of regions locally ruled by governors, viceroys or client kings in the name of an emperor. By extension, one could classify as an empire any large, multi-ethnic state ruled from a single center. Like other states, an empire maintains its political structure at least partly by coercion. ...
Also not it.
Geeze roger, I'm out of deffinitions and still haven't found one that applies! Maybe you could help me out? Because we all know that YOU could never be wrong. Therefore there must be an applicable definition somewhere that I can't find, right? C'mon buddy, help me out here.
And what the hell does any of that have to do with your 9/11 denial movement?
I just have to laugh every time I see the "denial" associated with the 911 truth movement as if try to equate with holyco$st denial. Should I bring out my violins next? LOL!!
6. a powerful and important enterprise or holding of large scope that is controlled by a single person, family, or group of associates:
I would LOVE to see you explain how you think that one is applicable. Really! Should be a great bit of "theater of the absurd". C'mon boy, enlighten us!
I just have to laugh every time I see the "denial" associated with the 911 truth movement as if try to equate with holyco$st denial. Should I bring out my violins next? LOL!!
NaziNuts! Good to see you again! We thought you might have finally gotten yourself committed. Sure, I'd love to hear your little concerto, but I thought you de-strung your violin so you could string up some Jews.
Haven't our Twoofer friends taught you anything yet JP? If the records office confirmed he was never in the military, that's only because they're covering it up! He was doing super-dooper-ultra-secret-level-red-compartmentalized work. It was so secret that they had to take his file and burn, shred, blow up, and thermite it, before finally feeding it to a pack of ravenous camels.
I saw it on a holocaust denial website so it must be true.
So the truth-seekers have no qualms about believing one proven liar after another after another.
What must it be like to live in tis fantasy world?
Is it anything like living through the Clinton Administration?
Roger all you have to do to stop arguing with the "tards" is turn away from the mirror and shut the F&*k up.
TAM
Don't answer- I don't care! Next your going to throw star wars trivia at me, I can already hear it coming. "well technically it wasn't an empire until the galactic federation crumbled..."
Star Wars is just the Roman Republic/Empire retold somewhat in space.
And it's called the ROMAN REPUBLIC. It isn't considered an Empire till Augustus takes power. God fucking dammit educate yourself.
That's it... I'm all done arguing with tards.
He quotes the one about companies and calls us tards.
His claim to be an adult who makes lots of money becomes weaker with each post.
There's a certain cackling smugness that most of these comments reek with. I think it's a fetish particular to self-styled conservative bloggers. And they accuse those poor, dumb liberals of been shrill? Yeesh. It's painful for someone who is trying to sift out some logic to have to read through all this geriatric whining.
I am not military, so I want to get that point of view. Why hasn't anyone dealt with the two *important* claims in the Sgt. Chavez letter?
1. Cheney usurped control of NORAD before Sept, 2001. So the failure to use that system on 9-11 can be laid at his feet. We don't have to say there was a plot to agree to that.
2. I also would really like to know about these so-called exercises on 9-11-01. I read elsewhere that on 7-7-05 there was an exercise going on in London identical to the bombings which subsequently took place. What explanation do the anti-truthers offer for this bit?
So it seems there is some room for doubt about his alleged service record. But let's not lose ourselves in ancillary details.
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