Monday, September 25, 2006

Lauro Chavez DD-214

Our whistleblower is apparently on Alex Jones' radio show. Trying to defend himself against claims of fraud he has posted Chavez's DD-214 on Jones' website. After a quick glance I notice several problems. First of all, Chavez claimed an 8 month deployment to Afghanistan, but he has no overseas time listed, nor does he have an expeditionary medal or any other medal that would indicate a combat deployment. Under schools he lists the Special Forces Qualification Course (14 weeks), but the full "Q" course is much longer than 14 weeks, and he lists neither the required Airborne training, nor the Special Forces MOS.

45 Comments:

At 25 September, 2006 10:58, Blogger CHF said...

Chavez claimed a 8 month deployment to Afghanistan, but he as no overseas time listed....Under schools he lists the Special Forces Qualification Course (14 weeks), but the full "Q" course is much longer than 14 weeks, and he lists neither the required Airborne training, nor the Special Forces MOS.

Right, but that just shows how super top-secret he is, right?

So therefor lack of proof = it's true.

 
At 25 September, 2006 11:52, Blogger Cassiopeia said...

Why does this guy remind me of Eddie Murphy at the start of 'Trading Places'?

"I was in...Sang Bang...Dang Gong...
I was all over the place, a lot of places.
I was with the Green Berets,
Special Unit Battalions...Commando Airborne Tactics...
Specialist Tactics Unit Battalion..Yeah, it was real hush hush. I was Agent Orange,
Special Agent Orange, that was me".

 
At 25 September, 2006 11:54, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

I think someone should look into what laws he may be breaking by lying about his qualifications. I mean if someone poses as a physician, and is not one, they are procecuted.

TAM

 
At 25 September, 2006 11:59, Blogger apathoid said...

For a nutter, his bona fides check out pretty well(except the fact that he lied about being deployed to the desert and being SF). His last unit was Centcom at MacDill, just like he said in his letter.

However, the letter itself is ridden with typical CT idiocy and the guy didnt know what the hell he was talking about. I also remeber the incendiary grenade demonstration and didnt recall a strong smell. Firing an M-16 produces much more of a smell(I think it was carbon, and I loved it for some reason).

For those who are military illiterate, E-5s are twelve for 10 cents in the Army. Little ole me seperated as an E-5.
And for being in 6 years, his DD214 is rather bland, the only thing that stands out is the MSM(I didnt get one :( ) No overseas service, no deployments, no Airborne, no Air Assault(Huuuah!), only one weapons qualification. No way was this guy SF(even though he went to Q school for it)

 
At 25 September, 2006 12:12, Blogger Manny said...

Firing an M-16 produces much more of a smell(I think it was carbon, and I loved it for some reason).

Was it in the morning? ;)

 
At 25 September, 2006 12:18, Blogger James B. said...

For a nutter, his bona fides check out pretty well(except the fact that he lied about being deployed to the desert and being SF).

You are being uncommonly kind. That is a pretty big "except".

I meant to say "I spent my leave hanging out on the beach and going to Disneyworld" but it somehow came out, "I deployed to Afghanistan to 8 months where I killed people"

I hate when that happens.

 
At 25 September, 2006 13:31, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

someone get him an interview with Tim Russert or Chris Matthews and see what he has to say. Somehow, I doubt he will ever accept such an interview...but of course, that is because he is afraid of being killed right, not because he is lying.

TAM

 
At 25 September, 2006 13:44, Blogger Good Lieutenant said...

I wonder if he met John Kerry in Cambodia one fateful Christmas...

 
At 25 September, 2006 14:11, Blogger Pat said...

LOL, Good Lieutenant! Don't know if you're aware, but I had the Christmas in Cambodia story 2 months before Unfit for Command came out. :)

 
At 25 September, 2006 14:43, Blogger apathoid said...

Was it in the morning? ;)

Yup, and it smelled like victory :D

 
At 25 September, 2006 14:52, Blogger apathoid said...

You are being uncommonly kind. That is a pretty big "except".

I meant to say "I spent my leave hanging out on the beach and going to Disneyworld" but it somehow came out, "I deployed to Afghanistan to 8 months where I killed people"

I hate when that happens.


Ha! Perhaps I was being a little kind, but as you are aware - the bar of troofullness in the troof movement is set quite low. I was speaking in relative terms, of course - and going off the success of their previous best "whistleblower" - Jessie McBeth.

 
At 25 September, 2006 16:38, Blogger Richard said...

Do these people not know what's on a DD-214? Hell I spent half a day finaling out just to make sure they had everything on there. Did this moron not think that maybe there was someone else in the military besides him that would point out the BS?!?

P.S. 7 years and only an E-5 is kinda crappy. I have the impression this guy wasn't very highspeed.

 
At 25 September, 2006 17:01, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

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At 25 September, 2006 17:01, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

So apathoid, if he didnt serve overseas, according to his DD214, then he outright lied by saying he was sent to afghanistan?

TAM

 
At 25 September, 2006 17:25, Blogger roger_sq said...

Well now that you sad folks are resorting to citing vanity fair as the official source for truth and accuracy in 9/11 history (since the official history is definitvely bogus, we all apparently now agree), and relying on a DD214 as the gospel in service history, I have to ask- where's Dubya's DD-214?

I thought that info was really hard to find. Least that's what Karl Rove told me.

 
At 25 September, 2006 18:11, Blogger shawn said...

Roger might be the dumbest genius in the history of humanity.

 
At 25 September, 2006 18:14, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

I have to ask- where's Dubya's DD-214?

How funny....
The Tin Foil Hatters would argue that if he had infact served then that would be proof of the conspiracy I maen after all they would argue, "he was in the military".

BTW...

The last I checked militray experience was not required to be president.

 
At 25 September, 2006 18:20, Blogger roger_sq said...

Roger might be the dumbest genius in the history of humanity.

possibly. But hey kid, at least I knew there was a roman empire. As for the ad hominem sans content, I guess you have zilch. Now run along and read your vanity fair for the hard facts...the troof.

 
At 25 September, 2006 18:26, Blogger roger_sq said...

The last I checked militray experience was not required to be president.

Oh that's right...he never served. Just the little stint in the guard he deserted from.

Never mind.

 
At 25 September, 2006 18:30, Blogger default.xbe said...

But hey kid, at least I knew there was a roman empire.

what existed BEFORE the empire though?

hint: Res publica Romana

 
At 25 September, 2006 18:41, Blogger Alex said...

I thought that info was really hard to find. Least that's what Karl Rove told me.

It'd be protected, meaning it would be illegal for someone to release it to the general public without the consent of the individual in question. Other than that it's not "hard to find" at all. Maybe you shouldn't put so much faith in Rowe.

Oh that's right...he never served. Just the little stint in the guard he deserted from.

Where he flew one of the most dangerous fighter jets in US mil history. Yep, he's a coward alright.


And what the hell does any of that have to do with your 9/11 denial movement? And why do you have to be such an idiot about it? Why can't you be reasonable for once and say "yeah, alright guys, this 'Sgt Chavez' doofus is full of shit, don't associate him with the movement". A reply like that I could actually have some respect for. Instead you rush to his defence with the same badly formed logic and lack of information which characterizes all of your daily diatribes. Seriously man, Grow up. This "we're always right, even when we're wrong" mindset that you've got going should have been left behind in highschool.

 
At 25 September, 2006 18:49, Blogger shawn said...

But hey kid, at least I knew there was a roman empire.

Someone didn't read my post. When you didn't realize there was a Republic I outlined the chronology.

I even specifically said the empire started with Augustus.

Try again, dumbass.

 
At 25 September, 2006 18:49, Blogger shawn said...

Just the little stint in the guard he deserted from.

Someone's been reading debunked memos too often.

 
At 25 September, 2006 18:54, Blogger default.xbe said...

Someone didn't read my post. When you didn't realize there was a Republic I outlined the chronology.

I even specifically said the empire started with Augustus.

Try again, dumbass.


he reminds me of another guy i argued with on a forum, he wouldnt believe net force is calculated F=Ma, after no les than an a dozen peopel told him he was wrong he still wouldnt admit it

 
At 25 September, 2006 19:14, Blogger roger_sq said...

And what the hell does any of that have to do with your 9/11 denial movement? And why do you have to be such an idiot about it? Why can't you be reasonable for once and say "yeah, alright guys, this 'Sgt Chavez' doofus is full of shit, don't associate him with the movement".

There is no "mooooovement". That would be the first problem. Truth is immutable, it doesn't need anyone's belief to exist. It is in fact that very virtue which distinguishes it from non-truth. The ineluctable modality of the visible, to paraphrase Joyce. So it's a misnomer from the onset. And I'm not part of any movement one way or any other.

In regards to Sgt Chavez, I will have to await a thorough review by Vanity Fair before conclusively deciding one way or another if his DD-214 is in fact legitimate. Because they are the final word in these matters, as we on both sides of the fence have now mutually established.

The government is most circumspect, we agree, and thus progress has indeed been made since the launch of your little Dylan's coattail riding endeavor here.

Incidental to the matter, a close friend who served a full tour in Honduras guarding coca crops for persons unspecified, to be collected at harvest time in US military double deuces, had a false location of service on his discharge, and no mention of the purple heart he received for being shot by a rival growing operation. In your world, that could never happen. In my world, it did. Which is probably why we will never see eye to eye on the matter of 9/11.

 
At 25 September, 2006 19:16, Blogger telescopemerc said...

I think someone should look into what laws he may be breaking by lying about his qualifications. I mean if someone poses as a physician, and is not one, they are procecuted.

pownetwork.org keeps a running list of those who lie about being Vietnam POWs or otherwise claim to be members of special forces, medal recipents, or other false claims. So far, Chavez has not shown up there. But maybe they just need him pointed out to them.

 
At 25 September, 2006 19:16, Blogger roger_sq said...

Someone didn't read my post. When you didn't realize there was a Republic I outlined the chronology.

I never said there was no republic, I said your statement that there was had fuck all to do with ANYTHING. Which is STILL my contention.

But carry on with it awhile longer, you look more and more like a twit with every post.

 
At 25 September, 2006 19:27, Blogger Alex said...

And I'm not part of any movement one way or any other.

Oh. So you're a lone nut. Please tell me you don't own any guns.

In regards to Sgt Chavez, I will have to await a thorough review by Vanity Fair before conclusively deciding one way or another if his DD-214 is in fact legitimate.

Or you could just stop being a flippin' idiot and try listening to those of us with relevant experience.

Either way works.

In your world, that could never happen. In my world, it did. Which is probably why we will never see eye to eye on the matter of 9/11.

Exactly. I've been around people like your "close friend" enough to be able to smell their bullshit from a lightyear away. I get a kick out of making them look like idiots in extremely public places. Nothing like seeing a super-special-forces-ninja-sniper-airborne-commando telling his war stories in a bar...and then he doesn't even know what caliber of ammo the M-60 fires. So yeah, in your world, shit like that happens all the time. Meanwhile, back in the real world, everyone's having some laughs at your expense.

Thanks!

 
At 25 September, 2006 19:39, Blogger roger_sq said...

Yes, I own guns. And I'm buying lots more but I'm very responsible with them.

No, I won't take your word for anything, thanks. You are an internet mouthpiece and nothing more.

Exactly. I've been around people like your "close friend" enough to be able to smell their bullshit from a lightyear away.

Ollie North.

 
At 25 September, 2006 19:52, Blogger Alex said...

Yes, I own guns. And I'm buying lots more but I'm very responsible with them.

Yah. I expect I'll be seing your name in the headlines within a few years.

No, I won't take your word for anything, thanks.

Your loss.

Ollie North.

Chuck Norris.

 
At 25 September, 2006 20:10, Blogger shawn said...

Which is STILL my contention.

Then you were wrong.

You said America was an empire. I gave an historical example of a nation that conquered foreign lands and installed govenors (which we haven't done) and wasn't considered an empire - since the home system was still democratic.

I'm sorry you're too fucking dumb to make connections, roger. I wasn't aware I had to spell everything out for your neanderthal ass.

 
At 25 September, 2006 20:56, Blogger roger_sq said...

You said America was an empire. I gave an historical example of a nation that conquered foreign lands and installed govenors (which we haven't done) and wasn't considered an empire -

Considered an empire BY WHOM? No, this is still as totally fucking irrelevent as it ever was. Whose fucking gospel did God bequeath the literal meaning of the term empire in by your expertise in the field of what people consider a word to mean.

Don't answer- I don't care! Next your going to throw star wars trivia at me, I can already hear it coming. "well technically it wasn't an empire until the galactic federation crumbled..."

loser...

 
At 25 September, 2006 21:26, Blogger Alex said...

Well let's look at the definitions:

1. the domain ruled by an emperor or empress; the region over which imperial dominion is exercised

Nope, despite all the moonbats screaming, George W. Bush is not an emperor. So that one's out.

2. a group of countries under a single authority; "the British empire"

This one's touchy, but by any logical reading it would disqualify the US. While you could argue that Afghanistan and Iraq are "under the authority of the US", you'd be wrong. Otherwise you'd have to also consider the UN an empire.

3. a monarchy with an emperor as head of state

Well that's deffinitely not it.

4. conglomerate: a group of diverse companies under common ownership and run as a single organization

Not applicable.

5. an eating apple that somewhat resembles a McIntosh; used as both an eating and a cooking apple

Nope, deffinitely not it.

6. ----An empire (also known technically, abstractly or disparagingly as an imperium, and with powers known among Romans as "imperium") comprises a set of regions locally ruled by governors, viceroys or client kings in the name of an emperor. By extension, one could classify as an empire any large, multi-ethnic state ruled from a single center. Like other states, an empire maintains its political structure at least partly by coercion. ...

Also not it.

Geeze roger, I'm out of deffinitions and still haven't found one that applies! Maybe you could help me out? Because we all know that YOU could never be wrong. Therefore there must be an applicable definition somewhere that I can't find, right? C'mon buddy, help me out here.

 
At 25 September, 2006 22:01, Blogger roger_sq said...

Do you feign stupidity or is it really that hard to deal with.

6. a powerful and important enterprise or holding of large scope that is controlled by a single person, family, or group of associates:

That's it... I'm all done arguing with tards.

 
At 25 September, 2006 22:12, Blogger nesNYC said...

And what the hell does any of that have to do with your 9/11 denial movement?

I just have to laugh every time I see the "denial" associated with the 911 truth movement as if try to equate with holyco$st denial. Should I bring out my violins next? LOL!!

 
At 25 September, 2006 22:24, Blogger Alex said...

6. a powerful and important enterprise or holding of large scope that is controlled by a single person, family, or group of associates:

I would LOVE to see you explain how you think that one is applicable. Really! Should be a great bit of "theater of the absurd". C'mon boy, enlighten us!

 
At 25 September, 2006 22:26, Blogger Alex said...

I just have to laugh every time I see the "denial" associated with the 911 truth movement as if try to equate with holyco$st denial. Should I bring out my violins next? LOL!!

NaziNuts! Good to see you again! We thought you might have finally gotten yourself committed. Sure, I'd love to hear your little concerto, but I thought you de-strung your violin so you could string up some Jews.

 
At 26 September, 2006 01:13, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Roger, I'll let you in on a military secret: The DD-214 contains all relevent information on military personnel and is pretty much the final word on what people did in the military.

1. If you don't HAVE one, you never served.

2. Even if you went on all sorts of secret missions, even if they are classified, the UNITS and training you received WILL be found there. E.g. SEAL, SF, Ranger, etc.


If anyone ever tries to tell you tall-tales about the military ask about their DD-214. If they ever give you any bullshit about "my records are sealed" you know right there they are lying.

Before I left for Europe I reported a phony Vietnam vet who wrote a book about fake experiences. He made the ol' "My records are sealed!!1" claim when he was challenged about the errors in his story. I reported him and PRESTO! The Records office confirmed HE NEVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY.

 
At 26 September, 2006 04:00, Blogger Alex said...

Haven't our Twoofer friends taught you anything yet JP? If the records office confirmed he was never in the military, that's only because they're covering it up! He was doing super-dooper-ultra-secret-level-red-compartmentalized work. It was so secret that they had to take his file and burn, shred, blow up, and thermite it, before finally feeding it to a pack of ravenous camels.

I saw it on a holocaust denial website so it must be true.

 
At 26 September, 2006 05:48, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Actually that really is the same excuse used by many military fakes. The fact that nobody can find their records is considered proof that they are "sealed for national security".

 
At 26 September, 2006 08:38, Blogger Good Lieutenant said...

So the truth-seekers have no qualms about believing one proven liar after another after another.

What must it be like to live in tis fantasy world?

Is it anything like living through the Clinton Administration?

 
At 26 September, 2006 11:51, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Roger all you have to do to stop arguing with the "tards" is turn away from the mirror and shut the F&*k up.

TAM

 
At 26 September, 2006 15:14, Blogger shawn said...

Don't answer- I don't care! Next your going to throw star wars trivia at me, I can already hear it coming. "well technically it wasn't an empire until the galactic federation crumbled..."

Star Wars is just the Roman Republic/Empire retold somewhat in space.

And it's called the ROMAN REPUBLIC. It isn't considered an Empire till Augustus takes power. God fucking dammit educate yourself.

 
At 26 September, 2006 15:15, Blogger shawn said...

That's it... I'm all done arguing with tards.

He quotes the one about companies and calls us tards.

His claim to be an adult who makes lots of money becomes weaker with each post.

 
At 27 January, 2008 01:03, Blogger modustype said...

There's a certain cackling smugness that most of these comments reek with. I think it's a fetish particular to self-styled conservative bloggers. And they accuse those poor, dumb liberals of been shrill? Yeesh. It's painful for someone who is trying to sift out some logic to have to read through all this geriatric whining.

I am not military, so I want to get that point of view. Why hasn't anyone dealt with the two *important* claims in the Sgt. Chavez letter?

1. Cheney usurped control of NORAD before Sept, 2001. So the failure to use that system on 9-11 can be laid at his feet. We don't have to say there was a plot to agree to that.

2. I also would really like to know about these so-called exercises on 9-11-01. I read elsewhere that on 7-7-05 there was an exercise going on in London identical to the bombings which subsequently took place. What explanation do the anti-truthers offer for this bit?

So it seems there is some room for doubt about his alleged service record. But let's not lose ourselves in ancillary details.

 

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