Tuesday, November 28, 2006

Strawman?

Conspiracy theorists are constantly saying we are making a "strawman argument" whenever we say that they are accusing the New York Fire Department of being involved in the plot. "Nobody ever said that", they scream.

Excerpts from Alex Jones' Prison Planet website:

Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC complex, admitted on a September 2002 PBS documentary, 'America Rebuilds' that he and the NYFD decided to 'pull' WTC 7 on the day of the attack. The word 'pull' is industry jargon for taking a building down with explosives.


Update: World Trade Center 7 Imploded by Silverstein, FDNY and others

Update: People Died in WTC 7: This Makes Silverstein and the FDNY guilty of AT LEAST Manslaughter


Nobody?

17 Comments:

At 28 November, 2006 12:35, Blogger troy said...

It's official. These conspiracy asshats are the biggest douches on the planet.

 
At 28 November, 2006 12:56, Blogger troy said...

5 minutes to Fetzer. I talked to him once when he had Laser Beam lady on. I might give him another ring today.

 
At 28 November, 2006 13:33, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

lol...keep it up troy. Good work.

As for AJ, yes I find it very hypocritical, how on the 9/11 aniversary, down at GZ, he denied to the hilt to Mark Roberts that he felt the FDNY were involved in the "inside job" yet now he says exactly this, in his own words.

Terrible, Terrible man for saying this.

TAM

 
At 28 November, 2006 13:46, Blogger CHF said...

It's not only the FDNY that gets the "strawman" treatment.

Twoofers use that claim for everything.

Remember how Popular Mechanics only attacked "strawman" arguments?

As if "the WTC was destroyed by demolition" or "no plane hit the Pentagon" are things that few twoofers believe!

Basically "strawman" means "OK you got me."

 
At 28 November, 2006 13:57, Blogger CHF said...

As for Jones....how the fuck do these people lie like that?

Who do they think they're dealing with? Do they not think we'll notice?

 
At 28 November, 2006 14:00, Blogger troy said...

This sucks. I guess Fetzer's not taking any calls today. The call in line to GCN feed 2, 1-800-259-5791 is ringing into the the main call in line 1-800-259-9231.

The dynamic Dumbasses come on 4-6 where I live. I get off work at 5, so this time frame kind of sucks for me.

 
At 28 November, 2006 16:58, Blogger remdem said...

Basically "strawman" means "OK you got me."

Strawman! I never said you got me! You'll never take me alive!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 
At 28 November, 2006 17:09, Blogger shawn said...

Basically "strawman" means "OK you got me."

Bingo. They love moving the goal posts.

 
At 28 November, 2006 19:49, Blogger Bubbers said...

The Artistic Macrophage said...
lol...keep it up troy. Good work.

As for AJ, yes I find it very hypocritical, how on the 9/11 aniversary, down at GZ, he denied to the hilt to Mark Roberts that he felt the FDNY were involved in the "inside job" yet now he says exactly this, in his own words.

Terrible, Terrible man for saying this.

TAM

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Good point, but let's hope p'doh doesn't see that. According to him, Aj is a pioneer and he's going to be in the history books for being such a great man.(To p'dohs credit he is a pioneer, but more along the lines of a pioneer for the advancement of hypocritical thinking)

 
At 28 November, 2006 21:15, Blogger Alex said...

I wouldn't be surprised if AJ went down in history, but it won't be for being a "great man". More likely it will be for being the first man to commit suicide off the newly rebuild WTC complex, or maybe for being the first man in history to die from aluminum foil poisoning.

 
At 29 November, 2006 03:51, Blogger Murdervillage said...

By the way, AFAIK, no one died in WTC 7, so Jones' "crack" staff needs to get that straight.

In my paper on WTC 7, I quote (and link to the video) Jones at Ground Zero repeatedly denying that he said the FDNY was "in on it," then I print the headlines from his website.

I wonder how Jones sleeps.

 
At 29 November, 2006 10:29, Blogger Swing Dangler said...

murdervillage Is your paper as credible as your research?
If so, don't bother publishing it because it will be junk I'm sure. And you guys want to bash troofers for their errors??
Any reason none of you jumped to correct murder in his error fighting for the OS?
Kettle is black, eh!

Weaver: "We lost Craig Miller, an employee that we still can’t find. His body has never been recovered. People here are still grief stricken." (first quarter, 2002)

Steve Carey – SS special agent in charge or recreating task force.

"When 7 World Trade Center came down on Sept. 11, an agent on loan from Washington, special officer Craig Miller, perished, and the entire Secret Service office was buried in that building. Yet, despite the devastation, the New York Electronic Crime Task Force has stepped up its operations in credit card fraud and for Osama Bin Laden's money"

http://www.ectaskforce.org/City_Leads_Way.pdf [link expired]

"One employee, Master Special Officer Craig Miller, died during the rescue efforts. Miller was temporarily assigned to New York in preparation for the United Nations General Assembly." http://www.ustreas.gov/usss/press/pub1202.pdf

"in selfless dedication to others, Master Special Officer Craig Miller was lost in the collapse of the World Trade Center."

http://www.house.gov/istook/rel-ss-customs.htm.

 
At 29 November, 2006 12:06, Blogger Alex said...

Uh, 2 of the 3 links you provide claim only that he died "during rescue efforts". Only one of them claims that he died in wtc7, and it's an expired link.

More importantly, when I search for that sentence on google, the ONLY sites I find which repeat it are denier sites. Not a single reputable source claims that he died in WTC7.

And you have the gall to accuse gravy of being sloppy in his research? Please. It's quite clear that this man did NOT die in WTC7. In fact, the only relation Craig Miller has to WTC7 is that HIS OFFICE was in that building. ALL of the Secret Service agents left the office in order to help with the rescue efforts in WTC1 and WTC2. Do you seriously believe this guy remained in a burning building for 6 hours, instead of getting out and trying to help victims of the first two collapses? What are you, retarded?

So here we have an example of a twoofer repeating a claim he's heard from other twoofers, without doing ANY research to determine it's validity, and using that claim to accuse someone else of not doing his research properly. The irony would be quite humorous, if such blatant stupidity weren't status-quo for the twoof movement.

 
At 29 November, 2006 14:42, Blogger Manny said...

In fact, the only relation Craig Miller has to WTC7 is that HIS OFFICE was in that building.

Heh. Even his office wasn't in 7. He was on loan from Washington, doing prep for the UN meetings coming up. At the time of the attacks, Special Officer Miller was in the Marriott, 3 WTC.

 
At 29 November, 2006 15:43, Blogger Alex said...

You're right, my mistake. What I meant to say is "the office he was temporarily attached to was in WTC7".

 
At 19 February, 2007 10:01, Blogger bravenewarea said...

How do you explain the fact that the building was exploding before the plain hit it?

http://www.physics911.net/images/explosives_before_impact.jpg

 
At 19 February, 2007 10:05, Blogger bravenewarea said...

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